Re: [gentoo-user] AMD64 on board video

2006-03-21 Thread Bob Sanders
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:46:01 -0500
JimD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Did I leave anything out that is needed for nvidia on an amd64?  Or 
 should I not expect anything more from the on board NVIDIA GeForce 6100 
 even though it is running over PCI-e?
 

Onboard video uses system memory.  So the bandwidth to memory is limited by
PCIe, HT,  and two hops to the memory and back.  Figure memory bandwidth around
800 MB/s to 1 GB/s tops, if nothing else is going on on the bus.

Even an inexpensive 6200 with onboard memory has 4 GB/s or more.  If you need
the performance, get either a 6600 or wait a bit for the newer 7600.

Bob
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Re: [gentoo-user] AMD64 on board video

2006-03-21 Thread JimD
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:19:37 -0800
Bob Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:46:01 -0500
 JimD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Onboard video uses system memory.  So the bandwidth to memory is
 limited by PCIe, HT,  and two hops to the memory and back.  Figure
 memory bandwidth around 800 MB/s to 1 GB/s tops, if nothing else is
 going on on the bus.
 
 Even an inexpensive 6200 with onboard memory has 4 GB/s or more.  If
 you need the performance, get either a 6600 or wait a bit for the
 newer 7600.
 
 Bob

Thanks Bob.  I didn't think there would be that much difference.  The
on-board NVidia is not any faster than the on-board Intel on my new
laptop.  I think the only difference is the NVidia supports DX9 which I
don't care about.

I thought I could save a few bucks... Oh well I guess I will have to
listen to the wife when I tell her I need a video card : )

Jim
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Re: [gentoo-user] AMD64 on board video

2006-03-21 Thread Nick Rout

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:33:16 -0500
JimD wrote:

 On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 18:19:37 -0800
 Bob Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:46:01 -0500
  JimD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Onboard video uses system memory.  So the bandwidth to memory is
  limited by PCIe, HT,  and two hops to the memory and back.  Figure
  memory bandwidth around 800 MB/s to 1 GB/s tops, if nothing else is
  going on on the bus.
  
  Even an inexpensive 6200 with onboard memory has 4 GB/s or more.  If
  you need the performance, get either a 6600 or wait a bit for the
  newer 7600.
  
  Bob
 
 Thanks Bob.  I didn't think there would be that much difference.  The
 on-board NVidia is not any faster than the on-board Intel on my new
 laptop.  I think the only difference is the NVidia supports DX9 which I
 don't care about.
 
 I thought I could save a few bucks... Oh well I guess I will have to
 listen to the wife when I tell her I need a video card : )

Come off it, how often does she look inside the box? Pay cash so it
doesn't ppear on the visa statement. Install it when she is out at
whatever_it_is_that_women_do_when_they_go_to_the_movies_together.
Destroy the box. 


 
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Re: [gentoo-user] AMD64 on board video

2006-03-21 Thread JimD
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:08:39 +1200
Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Come off it, how often does she look inside the box? Pay cash so it
 doesn't ppear on the visa statement. Install it when she is out at
 whatever_it_is_that_women_do_when_they_go_to_the_movies_together.
 Destroy the box. 

Well I have been married a little over 5 years.  I let my wife manage
the finances starting a few years ago.  She knows how much money is in
the bank down to a dime.  If I tap-mac and get cash, I get the
3rd-degree of what was the money for, especially if I take out $100+ : )

I am afraid I am going to have to go the wuss route and ask the
wifey-poo :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] AMD64 on board video

2006-03-21 Thread Bob Sanders
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:32:41 -0500
JimD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Well I have been married a little over 5 years.  I let my wife manage
 the finances starting a few years ago.  She knows how much money is in
 the bank down to a dime.  If I tap-mac and get cash, I get the
 3rd-degree of what was the money for, especially if I take out $100+ : )
 

Well, you could cut back on eating and save, say half your lunch money each
day and stash it.  Or switch to tea from *$ Lattes - Only $1.00 vs $3.50.  It 
adds
up pretty quick.

 I am afraid I am going to have to go the wuss route and ask the
 wifey-poo :)


Don't do it.  Trust me.  You'll pay big time.  That $100 will turn into $400 to
$1,000 for her, plus a summer of chick flicks.

Bob 
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