Re: [gentoo-user] Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script
Am 22.07.2013 23:35, schrieb FredL: Do you perhaps have NetworkManager or wicd installed? no, none of them, it is a very basic install, with only the minimum packages installed . I have checked at the init script and find a line in the depend section saying : after lo lo0 dbus but dbus is not yet installed, can this be the cause of my problem? so I have just installed dbus and add it to default runlevel and my net.* script are loaded correctly setting my static config, so every thing is fine now. But why do we need dbus in a very minimalistic system? I was thinking that it would be helpful in a full desktop environnement for automagically mounting device and things like that... Saying that I've just remenbered that I have selected the desktop profile instead of the default one, can this be why my init script need dbus for starting net iface? As Bruce did show: You don't need to have dbus installed for net.* to work. Also it did work, when you started net.* it manually, without having dbus installed, right? I don't know, what did start dhcp on your interfaces, you should check that. AFAIK your kernel does a automatic dhcp-configuration of your interfaces when you have set CONFIG_IP_PNP_DHCP. You could try to disable dbus and check, if your interfaces get up with dhcp again and then disable CONFIG_IP_PNP or all CONFIG_IP_PNP_*-options and check again. (If they where activated of course ;) ) For your net.* initscripts not starting automatically I don't have an idea other than maybe you forgot to add them to the runlevels right now, but that would not explain, why they do start after adding dbus... It would be interesting, to know, what did really happen, so please let us know, what you find out ;) Regards, Markus signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script
On 2013/07/23 01:13, Neil Bothwick wrote: Sets are your friend here. I have a base set containing all the useful things I put on all installs, including the things details in the handbook like a cron daemon and system logger as well as the likes of eix, conf-update, portage-utils and emacs. Then I have sets for desktop, laptop etc, each of which inherits the base set. so it's pretty much a case of partition the disk, unpack the stage3, emerge @laptop (or whatever, compile the kernel, configure the bootloader and reboot. Thanks for the tip Neil, I will take a look at this portage feature and will probably use it for building set for web server related software, mail server, desktop and so one...
Re: [gentoo-user] Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script
On 2013-07-22 6:08 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder why you didn't have dbus installed. I don't have dbus installed either, but I'm still on the old udev. I've been planning on updating it this weekend (so I'll have time to deal with any issues), but when I do an emerge -pvuDN world, dbus is NOT in the list of things to install. So, since you didn't actually answer his question, I'll ask it again... Is dbus actually *required* for even a server system? Is this requirement only for the new udev? If so, why is it not getting pulled in on my system? And if so, why is my system working now without it?
Re: [gentoo-user] Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 07:06:18AM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
On 2013-07-22 6:08 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
I wonder why you didn't have dbus installed.
I don't have dbus installed either, but I'm still on the old udev.
I've been planning on updating it this weekend (so I'll have time to
deal with any issues), but when I do an emerge -pvuDN world, dbus is NOT
in the list of things to install.
So, since you didn't actually answer his question, I'll ask it again...
Is dbus actually *required* for even a server system? Is this
requirement only for the new udev? If so, why is it not getting pulled
in on my system? And if so, why is my system working now without it?
This is a server on my LAN. You draw your own conclusion. No dbus installed.
mingdao@server ~ $ eix sys-apps/dbus
* sys-apps/dbus
Available versions: 1.6.8 ~1.6.8-r1 1.6.10 1.6.12 {{X debug doc selinux
static-libs systemd test}}
Homepage:http://dbus.freedesktop.org/
Description: A message bus system, a simple way for applications
to talk to each other
mingdao@server ~ $ eix sys-fs/udev
[I] sys-fs/udev
Available versions: 197-r8^t 200^t 204^t ~205^t **^t {{acl doc
+firmware-loader gudev hwdb introspection keymap +kmod +openrc selinux
static-libs}}
Installed versions: 204^t(02:40:22 PM 06/26/2013)(acl firmware-loader
kmod openrc -doc -gudev -hwdb -introspection -keymap -selinux -static-libs)
Homepage:http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd
Description: Linux dynamic and persistent device naming support
(aka userspace devfs)
[I] sys-fs/udev-init-scripts
Available versions: 23^t 25^t 26^t **^t
Installed versions: 26^t(02:40:36 PM 06/26/2013)
Homepage:http://www.gentoo.org
Description: udev startup scripts for openrc
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mingdao@server ~ $
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Re: [gentoo-user] Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script
On 23/07/13 at 07:06am, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-07-22 6:08 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder why you didn't have dbus installed. I don't have dbus installed either, but I'm still on the old udev. I've been planning on updating it this weekend (so I'll have time to deal with any issues), but when I do an emerge -pvuDN world, dbus is NOT in the list of things to install. So, since you didn't actually answer his question, I'll ask it again... Is dbus actually *required* for even a server system? Is this requirement only for the new udev? If so, why is it not getting pulled in on my system? And if so, why is my system working now without it? The OP mentioned he selected the desktop profile thats probably why it got pulled in. Dbus is not required with the default profile. -- - Yohan Pereira The difference between a Miracle and a Fact is exactly the difference between a mermaid and a seal. -- Mark Twain
Re: [gentoo-user] Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script
On 2013/07/23 13:20, Yohan Pereira wrote: On 23/07/13 at 07:06am, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-07-22 6:08 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder why you didn't have dbus installed. I don't have dbus installed either, but I'm still on the old udev. I've been planning on updating it this weekend (so I'll have time to deal with any issues), but when I do an emerge -pvuDN world, dbus is NOT in the list of things to install. So, since you didn't actually answer his question, I'll ask it again... Is dbus actually *required* for even a server system? Is this requirement only for the new udev? If so, why is it not getting pulled in on my system? And if so, why is my system working now without it? The OP mentioned he selected the desktop profile thats probably why it got pulled in. Dbus is not required with the default profile. yes but that might not be related to my choosen profile because it is not required too for a minimal install (no X, only the basics), in fact what I am doing is not the gentoo way like the one described in the handbook (mainly because the full install process is scripted) so don't be worried about the trouble I had, You probably won't encounter the same by doing a regular upgrade. Sorry for confusing you
Re: [gentoo-user] Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script
Le 2013/07/22 21:54, Paul Hartman a écrit : On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 3:42 PM, FredL rap...@drakonix.fr wrote: when I boot the system, none of my two interface are started, instead dhcpcd start and assign ip from dhcp server After booting if I manually start the scripts it assign my static config to an alias of my interfaces... I really can't figure out what I am doing wrong, If someone have any idea it would be nice. Do you perhaps have NetworkManager or wicd installed? no, none of them, it is a very basic install, with only the minimum packages installed . I have checked at the init script and find a line in the depend section saying : after lo lo0 dbus but dbus is not yet installed, can this be the cause of my problem?
Re: [gentoo-user] Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script
Do you perhaps have NetworkManager or wicd installed? no, none of them, it is a very basic install, with only the minimum packages installed . I have checked at the init script and find a line in the depend section saying : after lo lo0 dbus but dbus is not yet installed, can this be the cause of my problem? so I have just installed dbus and add it to default runlevel and my net.* script are loaded correctly setting my static config, so every thing is fine now. But why do we need dbus in a very minimalistic system? I was thinking that it would be helpful in a full desktop environnement for automagically mounting device and things like that... Saying that I've just remenbered that I have selected the desktop profile instead of the default one, can this be why my init script need dbus for starting net iface?
Re: [gentoo-user] Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script
On 22/07/2013 23:35, FredL wrote: Do you perhaps have NetworkManager or wicd installed? no, none of them, it is a very basic install, with only the minimum packages installed . I have checked at the init script and find a line in the depend section saying : after lo lo0 dbus but dbus is not yet installed, can this be the cause of my problem? so I have just installed dbus and add it to default runlevel and my net.* script are loaded correctly setting my static config, so every thing is fine now. But why do we need dbus in a very minimalistic system? I was thinking that it would be helpful in a full desktop environnement for automagically mounting device and things like that... dbus is NOT a desktop daemon. This is very important, and that single misunderstanding is probably behind all the fud you read about it. dbus implements a message bus - an amazingly useful thing to have. Why do you need or want a message bus? You might as well ask why do you need or want any other form of IPC you already have, as that is what dbus is. It's a very small, light daemon, can run system-wide or per-session and has the potential to many of the IPC implementations you already have. Those are the ones that don't happen to show up in ps so you hear very little whinging about them. That desktop systems are the main user of dbus at this point in time doesn't change one bit what dbus is designed to do and it's usefulness. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script
Le 2013/07/22 22:44, Alan McKinnon a écrit : On 22/07/2013 23:35, FredL wrote: Do you perhaps have NetworkManager or wicd installed? no, none of them, it is a very basic install, with only the minimum packages installed . I have checked at the init script and find a line in the depend section saying : after lo lo0 dbus but dbus is not yet installed, can this be the cause of my problem? so I have just installed dbus and add it to default runlevel and my net.* script are loaded correctly setting my static config, so every thing is fine now. But why do we need dbus in a very minimalistic system? I was thinking that it would be helpful in a full desktop environnement for automagically mounting device and things like that... dbus is NOT a desktop daemon. This is very important, and that single misunderstanding is probably behind all the fud you read about it. dbus implements a message bus - an amazingly useful thing to have. Why do you need or want a message bus? You might as well ask why do you need or want any other form of IPC you already have, as that is what dbus is. It's a very small, light daemon, can run system-wide or per-session and has the potential to many of the IPC implementations you already have. Those are the ones that don't happen to show up in ps so you hear very little whinging about them. That desktop systems are the main user of dbus at this point in time doesn't change one bit what dbus is designed to do and it's usefulness. ok, thanks for your explanation and your help, my last fresh install was a very long time ago and I can't remember having to install dbus before having my net script working, but a lot of things have changed since this last install and that is probably what I miss in this fresh install process
Re: [gentoo-user] Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script
On 23/07/2013 00:02, FredL wrote: Le 2013/07/22 22:44, Alan McKinnon a écrit : On 22/07/2013 23:35, FredL wrote: Do you perhaps have NetworkManager or wicd installed? no, none of them, it is a very basic install, with only the minimum packages installed . I have checked at the init script and find a line in the depend section saying : after lo lo0 dbus but dbus is not yet installed, can this be the cause of my problem? so I have just installed dbus and add it to default runlevel and my net.* script are loaded correctly setting my static config, so every thing is fine now. But why do we need dbus in a very minimalistic system? I was thinking that it would be helpful in a full desktop environnement for automagically mounting device and things like that... dbus is NOT a desktop daemon. This is very important, and that single misunderstanding is probably behind all the fud you read about it. dbus implements a message bus - an amazingly useful thing to have. Why do you need or want a message bus? You might as well ask why do you need or want any other form of IPC you already have, as that is what dbus is. It's a very small, light daemon, can run system-wide or per-session and has the potential to many of the IPC implementations you already have. Those are the ones that don't happen to show up in ps so you hear very little whinging about them. That desktop systems are the main user of dbus at this point in time doesn't change one bit what dbus is designed to do and it's usefulness. ok, thanks for your explanation and your help, my last fresh install was a very long time ago and I can't remember having to install dbus before having my net script working, but a lot of things have changed since this last install and that is probably what I miss in this fresh install process I wonder why you didn;t have dbus installed. You said you copied the new install over from an old one, right? So emerge world should have pulled in everything you need. What's different between that new install and the old one? -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script
Le 2013/07/22 23:08, Alan McKinnon a écrit : On 23/07/2013 00:02, FredL wrote: Le 2013/07/22 22:44, Alan McKinnon a écrit : On 22/07/2013 23:35, FredL wrote: Do you perhaps have NetworkManager or wicd installed? no, none of them, it is a very basic install, with only the minimum packages installed . I have checked at the init script and find a line in the depend section saying : after lo lo0 dbus but dbus is not yet installed, can this be the cause of my problem? so I have just installed dbus and add it to default runlevel and my net.* script are loaded correctly setting my static config, so every thing is fine now. But why do we need dbus in a very minimalistic system? I was thinking that it would be helpful in a full desktop environnement for automagically mounting device and things like that... dbus is NOT a desktop daemon. This is very important, and that single misunderstanding is probably behind all the fud you read about it. dbus implements a message bus - an amazingly useful thing to have. Why do you need or want a message bus? You might as well ask why do you need or want any other form of IPC you already have, as that is what dbus is. It's a very small, light daemon, can run system-wide or per-session and has the potential to many of the IPC implementations you already have. Those are the ones that don't happen to show up in ps so you hear very little whinging about them. That desktop systems are the main user of dbus at this point in time doesn't change one bit what dbus is designed to do and it's usefulness. ok, thanks for your explanation and your help, my last fresh install was a very long time ago and I can't remember having to install dbus before having my net script working, but a lot of things have changed since this last install and that is probably what I miss in this fresh install process I wonder why you didn;t have dbus installed. You said you copied the new install over from an old one, right? So emerge world should have pulled in everything you need. What's different between that new install and the old one? I just use my current gentoo system for building a new one from scratch, so I only use my current system as it was only a livecd. I won't use my current world file or anything else coming from my current system (except things like hostname, hosts, or kernel config). In fact I'm building a little script for deploying a very basic gentoo system without typing the full list of commands listed in the installation documentation. Just a hobby for lazy guy ;) Another reason for this fresh install is that I plan to write a full doc for describing the installation process for building a cluster hosting my own services (ftp, web, mail, etc...) in a para virtualised environnement (xen) . So I don't want to have any rubish coming from the desktop I currently used, and want to keep things as clean as possible.
Re: [gentoo-user] Fresh install and problem with net.* init.d script
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 23:45:04 +0100, FredL wrote: I just use my current gentoo system for building a new one from scratch, so I only use my current system as it was only a livecd. I won't use my current world file or anything else coming from my current system (except things like hostname, hosts, or kernel config). In fact I'm building a little script for deploying a very basic gentoo system without typing the full list of commands listed in the installation documentation. Just a hobby for lazy guy ;) Another reason for this fresh install is that I plan to write a full doc for describing the installation process for building a cluster hosting my own services (ftp, web, mail, etc...) in a para virtualised environnement (xen) . So I don't want to have any rubish coming from the desktop I currently used, and want to keep things as clean as possible. Sets are your friend here. I have a base set containing all the useful things I put on all installs, including the things details in the handbook like a cron daemon and system logger as well as the likes of eix, conf-update, portage-utils and emacs. Then I have sets for desktop, laptop etc, each of which inherits the base set. so it's pretty much a case of partition the disk, unpack the stage3, emerge @laptop (or whatever, compile the kernel, configure the bootloader and reboot. -- Neil Bothwick Like an atheist in a grave: all dressed up and no place to go. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
