Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5: no desktop

[Frank Steinmetzger]

On Mon, Jan 09, 2017 at 06:57:16PM +0700, Robin Atwood wrote:
> On Sunday 08 January 2017, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
> > Try to login as a new user (or move your home directory out of the
> > way). If it works start selectively deleting dot files/directories
> > from your home directory. Start with .cache, .kde4 and everything that
> > starts with a k in .config and .local and go from there. I had the
> > exact same problem when I upgraded one of my laptops and that's how I
> > fixed it. Also delete anything in /var/cache and any files belonging
> > to your uses in /tmp and /run.
> > 
> > You can also try switching to a VT and kill plasmashell and if it
> > doesn't restart automatically start it with the DISPLAY environment
> > variable properly set.
> > 
> > Also look at the system logs, .xsession-errors, xorg logs, etc for
> > clues. You can also run kdebugdialog5 from another DE to enable a lot
> > of kde debug output to the system logs.
> > 
> 
> I said above that I created a new user and got exactly same problem, so that 
> pretty much excludes old files as a possibility.

A short while ago Plasma (5.8.5) started crashing right after login on my
PC. I have no idea why, even a clean user didn’t help. But I could still run
KDE normally when running startx from the TTY. But then other stuff didn’t
work, such as mounting media as a user. Eventually I tried a different login
manager (sddm instead of lightdm) and it worked again. Too bad – I don’t
really like sddm because it is not keyboard friendly (well, lightdm is not
that much better either, I truely miss kdm).

In the end, I still started with a fresh user config, because I used the
opportunity to clean away old KDE 4 stuff. And since this cost me two days’
spare time already, I can’t be bothered with it anymore. :/

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5: no desktop

[Robin Atwood]

On Sunday 08 January 2017, Fernando Rodriguez wrote:
> Try to login as a new user (or move your home directory out of the
> way). If it works start selectively deleting dot files/directories
> from your home directory. Start with .cache, .kde4 and everything that
> starts with a k in .config and .local and go from there. I had the
> exact same problem when I upgraded one of my laptops and that's how I
> fixed it. Also delete anything in /var/cache and any files belonging
> to your uses in /tmp and /run.
> 
> You can also try switching to a VT and kill plasmashell and if it
> doesn't restart automatically start it with the DISPLAY environment
> variable properly set.
> 
> Also look at the system logs, .xsession-errors, xorg logs, etc for
> clues. You can also run kdebugdialog5 from another DE to enable a lot
> of kde debug output to the system logs.
> 

I said above that I created a new user and got exactly same problem, so that 
pretty much excludes old files as a possibility.

Thanks
Robin

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5: no desktop

[Fernando Rodriguez]

On 01/08/2017 07:00 AM, Robin Atwood wrote:
> On Sunday 08 January 2017, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> 
>> On Saturday, 7 January 2017 22:03:53 GMT Robin Atwood wrote:
> 
>>> I finally grasped the nettle and did the Plasma 5 upgrade. The
>>> first
> 
>>> machine went OK eventually (apart from the week spent
>>> resolving
> 
>>> blockers), so I thought the second would be much smoother. And
>>> so it
> was,
> 
>>> until I logged on. I got the splash screen, a bouncing ball as
>>> something
> 
>>> started and then a black screen relieved only by a cursor and
>>> a
> couple of
> 
>>> apps in the autostart list. kwin-x11, plasmashell, ksmserver
>>> are all
> 
>>> running, it seems like something got omitted in the install.
>>> Does anyone
> 
>>> know which binary starts the window manager and taskbar, etc? I
>>> did the
> 
>>> usual things like create a new user, rename .kde4, to no
>>> avail.
> 
>> 
> 
>> While you were sorting out the blockers, did you make USE
>> changes? The
> 
>> problem may lie there somewhere. What does 'emerge -pe world'
>> give
> you? Any
> 
>> errors?
> 
>> 
> 
>> Although I'm still wrestling with KMail, I had no trouble with
>> KDE itself.
> 
>> Well, apart from being unable to right-click on the desktop to
>> change the
> 
>> behaviour of the mouse wheel, which infuriates me when the
>> pointer strays
> 
>> outside the window I'm concentrating on. But I gave up trying to
>> sort out
> 
>> the blockers you mention and built a new system; it may still be
>> worth you
> 
>> considering that.
> 
> 
> 
> I only removed the qt4 flag. Emerge -pw world just wants to replace
> a lot of packages - no errors.
> 

Try to login as a new user (or move your home directory out of the
way). If it works start selectively deleting dot files/directories
from your home directory. Start with .cache, .kde4 and everything that
starts with a k in .config and .local and go from there. I had the
exact same problem when I upgraded one of my laptops and that's how I
fixed it. Also delete anything in /var/cache and any files belonging
to your uses in /tmp and /run.

You can also try switching to a VT and kill plasmashell and if it
doesn't restart automatically start it with the DISPLAY environment
variable properly set.

Also look at the system logs, .xsession-errors, xorg logs, etc for
clues. You can also run kdebugdialog5 from another DE to enable a lot
of kde debug output to the system logs.

> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Robin
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5: no desktop

[Robin Atwood]

On Sunday 08 January 2017, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Saturday, 7 January 2017 22:03:53 GMT Robin Atwood wrote:
> > I finally grasped the nettle and did the Plasma 5 upgrade. The first
> > machine went OK eventually (apart from the week spent resolving
> > blockers), so I thought the second would be much smoother. And so it was,
> > until I logged on. I got the splash screen, a bouncing ball as something
> > started and then a black screen relieved only by a cursor and a couple of
> > apps in the autostart list. kwin-x11, plasmashell, ksmserver are all
> > running, it seems like something got omitted in the install. Does anyone
> > know which binary starts the window manager and taskbar, etc? I did the
> > usual things like create a new user, rename .kde4, to no avail.
> 
> While you were sorting out the blockers, did you make USE changes? The
> problem may lie there somewhere. What does 'emerge -pe world' give you? Any
> errors?
> 
> Although I'm still wrestling with KMail, I had no trouble with KDE itself.
> Well, apart from being unable to right-click on the desktop to change the
> behaviour of the mouse wheel, which infuriates me when the pointer strays
> outside the window I'm concentrating on. But I gave up trying to sort out
> the blockers you mention and built a new system; it may still be worth you
> considering that.

I only removed the qt4 flag. Emerge -pw world just wants to replace a lot of 
packages - no errors.

Thanks
Robin
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5: no desktop

[Robin Atwood]

On Saturday 07 January 2017, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> 
> Did you install plasma-meta?
> Or did you specify some yourself?
> 
> Also. Did you select the plasma desktop profile?
> 
> If either or both of these are answered with 'no', the bit you are missing
> might just be in there somewhere.


I followed the KDE5 Plasma upgrade guide. I selected the plasma profile and 
installed plasma-meta. After which, I did an update/world. 

Robin

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5: no desktop

[Peter Humphrey]

On Saturday, 7 January 2017 22:03:53 GMT Robin Atwood wrote:
> I finally grasped the nettle and did the Plasma 5 upgrade. The first
> machine went OK eventually (apart from the week spent resolving
> blockers), so I thought the second would be much smoother. And so it was,
> until I logged on. I got the splash screen, a bouncing ball as something
> started and then a black screen relieved only by a cursor and a couple of
> apps in the autostart list. kwin-x11, plasmashell, ksmserver are all
> running, it seems like something got omitted in the install. Does anyone
> know which binary starts the window manager and taskbar, etc? I did the
> usual things like create a new user, rename .kde4, to no avail.

While you were sorting out the blockers, did you make USE changes? The 
problem may lie there somewhere. What does 'emerge -pe world' give you? Any 
errors?

Although I'm still wrestling with KMail, I had no trouble with KDE itself. 
Well, apart from being unable to right-click on the desktop to change the 
behaviour of the mouse wheel, which infuriates me when the pointer strays 
outside the window I'm concentrating on. But I gave up trying to sort out 
the blockers you mention and built a new system; it may still be worth you 
considering that.

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5: no desktop

[Philip Webb]

170107 Robin Atwood wrote:
> I have tried all the session settings. Plasma is the one
> for standard KDE5 and that's the one that gets the black desktop.

I had no problem when I did the similar upgrade a few months ago.
I've always booted into a raw terminal, logged in & then 'startx'.
My  .xinitrc  has a line 'startkde'.  Everything works ok.

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5: no desktop

[J. Roeleveld]

On January 7, 2017 4:36:58 PM GMT+01:00, Robin Atwood  wrote:
>On Saturday 07 January 2017, Dale wrote:
>> When I did my upgrade a long time ago, I had a similar issue.  There
>is
>> a menu to select which part of KDE you want to login to.  I can't
>recall
>> the names or even which one is the correct one for sure but think it
>is
>> the one with plasma in it.  I think the default is some other one
>which
>> didn't work for me at least, wayland comes to mind for some reason.
>> Anyway, on the login screen, check that drop down and try a different
>> one.  It may not be the problem but at least it would eliminate it. 
>On
>> mine, it is in the upper left but yours could be different.  It's the
>> same place you would select Gnome or some other desktop if you have
>them
>> installed.
>> 
>> May not help but worth a try I guess.  ;-)
>> 
>> Dale
>> 
>> :-)  :-)
>
>Thanks, Dale, but I have tried all the session settings. Plasma is the
>one for 
>standard KDE5 and that's the one that gets the black desktop.
>
>Robin

Did you install plasma-meta?
Or did you specify some yourself?

Also. Did you select the plasma desktop profile?

If either or both of these are answered with 'no', the bit you are missing 
might just be in there somewhere.

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5: no desktop

[Daniel Frey]

On 01/07/2017 07:03 AM, Robin Atwood wrote:
> I finally grasped the nettle and did the Plasma 5 upgrade. The first
> machine went OK eventually (apart from the week spent resolving
> blockers), so I thought the second would be much smoother. And so it
> was, until I logged on. I got the splash screen, a bouncing ball as
> something started and then a black screen relieved only by a cursor and
> a couple of apps in the autostart list. kwin-x11, plasmashell, ksmserver
> are all running, it seems like something got omitted in the install.
> Does anyone know which binary starts the window manager and taskbar,
> etc? I did the usual things like create a new user, rename .kde4, to no
> avail.
> 
>  
> 
> I have already posted on the Gentoo forums but didn't get much help. You
> can see the post with the sddm log here:
> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1057060.html. Hopefully the vast
> intellects of the Gentoo list will have an idea! My current workaround
> is to install lxqt as the desktop; it works pretty well, if a bit rough
> around the edges.
> 
>  

What's the profile set to? `eselect profile list`?

If it's incorrect it is very possible something may not be installed
correctly.

I also remember when searching for upgrade info a long time ago that
missing fonts can cause kde to not start with a black screen.

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5: no desktop

[Robin Atwood]

On Saturday 07 January 2017, Dale wrote:
> When I did my upgrade a long time ago, I had a similar issue.  There is
> a menu to select which part of KDE you want to login to.  I can't recall
> the names or even which one is the correct one for sure but think it is
> the one with plasma in it.  I think the default is some other one which
> didn't work for me at least, wayland comes to mind for some reason.
> Anyway, on the login screen, check that drop down and try a different
> one.  It may not be the problem but at least it would eliminate it.  On
> mine, it is in the upper left but yours could be different.  It's the
> same place you would select Gnome or some other desktop if you have them
> installed.
> 
> May not help but worth a try I guess.  ;-)
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-)

Thanks, Dale, but I have tried all the session settings. Plasma is the one for 
standard KDE5 and that's the one that gets the black desktop.

Robin
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE5: no desktop

[Dale]

Robin Atwood wrote:
>
> I finally grasped the nettle and did the Plasma 5 upgrade. The first
> machine went OK eventually (apart from the week spent resolving
> blockers), so I thought the second would be much smoother. And so it
> was, until I logged on. I got the splash screen, a bouncing ball as
> something started and then a black screen relieved only by a cursor
> and a couple of apps in the autostart list. kwin-x11, plasmashell,
> ksmserver are all running, it seems like something got omitted in the
> install. Does anyone know which binary starts the window manager and
> taskbar, etc? I did the usual things like create a new user, rename
> .kde4, to no avail.
>
>  
>
> I have already posted on the Gentoo forums but didn't get much help.
> You can see the post with the sddm log here:
> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1057060.html. Hopefully the vast
> intellects of the Gentoo list will have an idea! My current workaround
> is to install lxqt as the desktop; it works pretty well, if a bit
> rough around the edges.
>
>  
>
> Cheers
>
> Robin
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When I did my upgrade a long time ago, I had a similar issue.  There is
a menu to select which part of KDE you want to login to.  I can't recall
the names or even which one is the correct one for sure but think it is
the one with plasma in it.  I think the default is some other one which
didn't work for me at least, wayland comes to mind for some reason. 
Anyway, on the login screen, check that drop down and try a different
one.  It may not be the problem but at least it would eliminate it.  On
mine, it is in the upper left but yours could be different.  It's the
same place you would select Gnome or some other desktop if you have them
installed. 

May not help but worth a try I guess.  ;-) 

Dale

:-)  :-)