Re: [gentoo-user] Re: SVG plugin
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:57 AM, Paul Hartmanpaul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Kevin O'Gormankogor...@gmail.com wrote: I tried that Adobe site in FF on gentoo and ubuntu with the same non-result. On Vista, I tried FF, Opera, Safari and IE 8, with varied forms of failure. Interestingly, Opera at least offered to start inkscape to view the image, which succeeded. The text on that image suggested it's specific to an adobe plugin -- which it plugs of course. Does somebody have a web page with SVGs that normal browsers with non-proprietary plugins/viewers _can_ view? http://www.w3schools.com/svg/svg_inhtml.asp This page has examples of 3 ways to do it (you should see blue rectangles if SVG is rendering). All 3 examples work for me in Firefox 3.0.11, Seamonkey 1.1.16, Opera 9.64, Konqueror 4.2.3 and Safari 4 (all on Windows). Internet Explorer 8, naturally, requires a plug-in to view SVG. On Linux, my FF showed only the embed version, and that only after I got NoScript to stop blocking it. I wonder what's different on my system. Oh, and svg was enabled all along. -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: SVG plugin
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Kevin O'Gormankogor...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:57 AM, Paul Hartmanpaul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Kevin O'Gormankogor...@gmail.com wrote: I tried that Adobe site in FF on gentoo and ubuntu with the same non-result. On Vista, I tried FF, Opera, Safari and IE 8, with varied forms of failure. Interestingly, Opera at least offered to start inkscape to view the image, which succeeded. The text on that image suggested it's specific to an adobe plugin -- which it plugs of course. Does somebody have a web page with SVGs that normal browsers with non-proprietary plugins/viewers _can_ view? http://www.w3schools.com/svg/svg_inhtml.asp This page has examples of 3 ways to do it (you should see blue rectangles if SVG is rendering). All 3 examples work for me in Firefox 3.0.11, Seamonkey 1.1.16, Opera 9.64, Konqueror 4.2.3 and Safari 4 (all on Windows). Internet Explorer 8, naturally, requires a plug-in to view SVG. On Linux, my FF showed only the embed version, and that only after I got NoScript to stop blocking it. I wonder what's different on my system. Oh, and svg was enabled all along. After having success with every browser (but IE) on Windows, here's my test results with the same browsers on Linux: SeaMonkey 1.1.16 - all 3 worked Firefox - Embed and Iframe work, but Object does not Konqueror 4.2.4 - all 3 worked Opera 10 beta - Embed and Iframe work, but Object does not. I think the reason why Opera and FF do not work in Object mode is because the example on the w3schools website is wrong. They use the codebase attribute as the download location for the plug-in but the HTML specs say This attribute specifies the base path used to resolve relative URIs specified by the classid, data, and archive attributes. So, in other words, FF and Opera are trying to load http://www.adobe.com/svg/viewer/install/rect1.svg; which does not exist, resulting in no blue rectangle. I'd be willing to bet both of these browsers would work with an Object-tag-embed SVG given a properly-formed example.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: SVG plugin
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Kevin O'Gormankogor...@gmail.com wrote: On Linux, my FF showed only the embed version, and that only after I got NoScript to stop blocking it. I wonder what's different on my system. Oh, and svg was enabled all along. Do you guys have cairo built with the svg USE flag enabled? I think FF depends on that. I have svg in my global USE flags, FWIW.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: SVG plugin
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Paul Hartmanpaul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Kevin O'Gormankogor...@gmail.com wrote: On Linux, my FF showed only the embed version, and that only after I got NoScript to stop blocking it. I wonder what's different on my system. Oh, and svg was enabled all along. Do you guys have cairo built with the svg USE flag enabled? I think FF depends on that. I have svg in my global USE flags, FWIW. also check for svg USE flag on gegl
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: SVG plugin
On Tuesday 16 June 2009, Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Paul Hartmanpaul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Kevin O'Gormankogor...@gmail.com wrote: On Linux, my FF showed only the embed version, and that only after I got NoScript to stop blocking it. I wonder what's different on my system. Oh, and svg was enabled all along. Do you guys have cairo built with the svg USE flag enabled? Yes. I think FF depends on that. I have svg in my global USE flags, FWIW. also check for svg USE flag on gegl Hmm, I don't have gegl emerged. Is it needed? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: SVG plugin
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Mickmichaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 16 June 2009, Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Paul Hartmanpaul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Kevin O'Gormankogor...@gmail.com wrote: On Linux, my FF showed only the embed version, and that only after I got NoScript to stop blocking it. I wonder what's different on my system. Oh, and svg was enabled all along. Do you guys have cairo built with the svg USE flag enabled? Yes. I think FF depends on that. I have svg in my global USE flags, FWIW. also check for svg USE flag on gegl Hmm, I don't have gegl emerged. Is it needed? I guess not :) I thought it was in the firefox dep tree but now I'm not seeing it. I must have been looking at the wrong thing.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: SVG plugin
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:43 AM, Nikos Chantziarasrea...@arcor.de wrote: On 06/15/2009 03:30 PM, Mick wrote: 2009/6/15 Florian Philippli...@f_philipp.fastmail.net: Mick schrieb: Hi All, Trying to view a web page I produced some yonks ago, which at that the time would utilise the Adobe SVG plugin to render a gantt chart. The header of the file went like this: = ?xml version=1.0 encoding=iso-8859-1? !DOCTYPE svg PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD SVG 2303 Stylable//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/03/WD-SVG-2303/DTD/svg-2303-stylable.dtd; svg xml:space=preserve width=10in height=8in style=font-family:'Arial';font-size:8 = Adobe seem to have abandoned further development. Any idea what I can use to render such a graphic (image/svg+xml) in a browser? Firefox supports svg out of the box, now. Maybe you need the svg USE-flag for x11-libs/cairo. Hmm, mozilla-firefox does not have an svg flag. Anyway, I have svg in my /etc/make.conf and also have cairo installed: [I] x11-libs/cairo Installed versions: 1.8.6-r1!t(18:54:43 03/17/09)(X glitz opengl svg -cleartype -debug -directfb -doc -xcb) It's not just FF, but also Opera and Konqueror cannot render it either and ask to download a plugin. The code in your webpage is probably wrong. You should just use a normal HTML header instead of this weird !DOCTYPE svg thingy you're using now. Embed SVG images inside the page with a PNG fallback like this: object data=URL_TO_YOUR.svg type=image/svg+xml height=PIXELS width=PIXELS img src=URL_TO_YOUR.png height=PIXELS width=PIXELS /object I tried that Adobe site in FF on gentoo and ubuntu with the same non-result. On Vista, I tried FF, Opera, Safari and IE 8, with varied forms of failure. Interestingly, Opera at least offered to start inkscape to view the image, which succeeded. The text on that image suggested it's specific to an adobe plugin -- which it plugs of course. Does somebody have a web page with SVGs that normal browsers with non-proprietary plugins/viewers _can_ view? -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: SVG plugin
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Kevin O'Gormankogor...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:43 AM, Nikos Chantziarasrea...@arcor.de wrote: On 06/15/2009 03:30 PM, Mick wrote: 2009/6/15 Florian Philippli...@f_philipp.fastmail.net: Mick schrieb: Hi All, Trying to view a web page I produced some yonks ago, which at that the time would utilise the Adobe SVG plugin to render a gantt chart. The header of the file went like this: = ?xml version=1.0 encoding=iso-8859-1? !DOCTYPE svg PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD SVG 2303 Stylable//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/03/WD-SVG-2303/DTD/svg-2303-stylable.dtd; svg xml:space=preserve width=10in height=8in style=font-family:'Arial';font-size:8 = Adobe seem to have abandoned further development. Any idea what I can use to render such a graphic (image/svg+xml) in a browser? Firefox supports svg out of the box, now. Maybe you need the svg USE-flag for x11-libs/cairo. Hmm, mozilla-firefox does not have an svg flag. Anyway, I have svg in my /etc/make.conf and also have cairo installed: [I] x11-libs/cairo Installed versions: 1.8.6-r1!t(18:54:43 03/17/09)(X glitz opengl svg -cleartype -debug -directfb -doc -xcb) It's not just FF, but also Opera and Konqueror cannot render it either and ask to download a plugin. The code in your webpage is probably wrong. You should just use a normal HTML header instead of this weird !DOCTYPE svg thingy you're using now. Embed SVG images inside the page with a PNG fallback like this: object data=URL_TO_YOUR.svg type=image/svg+xml height=PIXELS width=PIXELS img src=URL_TO_YOUR.png height=PIXELS width=PIXELS /object I tried that Adobe site in FF on gentoo and ubuntu with the same non-result. On Vista, I tried FF, Opera, Safari and IE 8, with varied forms of failure. Interestingly, Opera at least offered to start inkscape to view the image, which succeeded. The text on that image suggested it's specific to an adobe plugin -- which it plugs of course. Does somebody have a web page with SVGs that normal browsers with non-proprietary plugins/viewers _can_ view? I looked a little further. I thought it interesting that Safari could also not view the Adobe SVG thingy. Moreover, http://www.adobe.com/svg/viewer/install/ shows they've dropped support for their viewer, and the most recent blurb promoting SVG relates to Illustrator CS2, when CS4 is the current version. I have CS4, but haven't learned to use it yet. Is there a future in SVG? -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: SVG plugin
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Kevin O'Gormankogor...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Kevin O'Gormankogor...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:43 AM, Nikos Chantziarasrea...@arcor.de wrote: On 06/15/2009 03:30 PM, Mick wrote: 2009/6/15 Florian Philippli...@f_philipp.fastmail.net: Mick schrieb: Hi All, Trying to view a web page I produced some yonks ago, which at that the time would utilise the Adobe SVG plugin to render a gantt chart. The header of the file went like this: = ?xml version=1.0 encoding=iso-8859-1? !DOCTYPE svg PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD SVG 2303 Stylable//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/03/WD-SVG-2303/DTD/svg-2303-stylable.dtd; svg xml:space=preserve width=10in height=8in style=font-family:'Arial';font-size:8 = Adobe seem to have abandoned further development. Any idea what I can use to render such a graphic (image/svg+xml) in a browser? Firefox supports svg out of the box, now. Maybe you need the svg USE-flag for x11-libs/cairo. Hmm, mozilla-firefox does not have an svg flag. Anyway, I have svg in my /etc/make.conf and also have cairo installed: [I] x11-libs/cairo Installed versions: 1.8.6-r1!t(18:54:43 03/17/09)(X glitz opengl svg -cleartype -debug -directfb -doc -xcb) It's not just FF, but also Opera and Konqueror cannot render it either and ask to download a plugin. The code in your webpage is probably wrong. You should just use a normal HTML header instead of this weird !DOCTYPE svg thingy you're using now. Embed SVG images inside the page with a PNG fallback like this: object data=URL_TO_YOUR.svg type=image/svg+xml height=PIXELS width=PIXELS img src=URL_TO_YOUR.png height=PIXELS width=PIXELS /object I tried that Adobe site in FF on gentoo and ubuntu with the same non-result. On Vista, I tried FF, Opera, Safari and IE 8, with varied forms of failure. Interestingly, Opera at least offered to start inkscape to view the image, which succeeded. The text on that image suggested it's specific to an adobe plugin -- which it plugs of course. Does somebody have a web page with SVGs that normal browsers with non-proprietary plugins/viewers _can_ view? I looked a little further. I thought it interesting that Safari could also not view the Adobe SVG thingy. Moreover, http://www.adobe.com/svg/viewer/install/ shows they've dropped support for their viewer, and the most recent blurb promoting SVG relates to Illustrator CS2, when CS4 is the current version. I have CS4, but haven't learned to use it yet. Is there a future in SVG? Also, in Firefox make sure SVG is enabled. Type about:config in the URL bar and look for the svg.enabled option. Set it to true if it is not already.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: SVG plugin
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Kevin O'Gormankogor...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:43 AM, Nikos Chantziarasrea...@arcor.de wrote: On 06/15/2009 03:30 PM, Mick wrote: 2009/6/15 Florian Philippli...@f_philipp.fastmail.net: Mick schrieb: Hi All, Trying to view a web page I produced some yonks ago, which at that the time would utilise the Adobe SVG plugin to render a gantt chart. The header of the file went like this: = ?xml version=1.0 encoding=iso-8859-1? !DOCTYPE svg PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD SVG 2303 Stylable//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/03/WD-SVG-2303/DTD/svg-2303-stylable.dtd; svg xml:space=preserve width=10in height=8in style=font-family:'Arial';font-size:8 = Adobe seem to have abandoned further development. Any idea what I can use to render such a graphic (image/svg+xml) in a browser? Firefox supports svg out of the box, now. Maybe you need the svg USE-flag for x11-libs/cairo. Hmm, mozilla-firefox does not have an svg flag. Anyway, I have svg in my /etc/make.conf and also have cairo installed: [I] x11-libs/cairo Installed versions: 1.8.6-r1!t(18:54:43 03/17/09)(X glitz opengl svg -cleartype -debug -directfb -doc -xcb) It's not just FF, but also Opera and Konqueror cannot render it either and ask to download a plugin. The code in your webpage is probably wrong. You should just use a normal HTML header instead of this weird !DOCTYPE svg thingy you're using now. Embed SVG images inside the page with a PNG fallback like this: object data=URL_TO_YOUR.svg type=image/svg+xml height=PIXELS width=PIXELS img src=URL_TO_YOUR.png height=PIXELS width=PIXELS /object I tried that Adobe site in FF on gentoo and ubuntu with the same non-result. On Vista, I tried FF, Opera, Safari and IE 8, with varied forms of failure. Interestingly, Opera at least offered to start inkscape to view the image, which succeeded. The text on that image suggested it's specific to an adobe plugin -- which it plugs of course. Does somebody have a web page with SVGs that normal browsers with non-proprietary plugins/viewers _can_ view? http://www.w3schools.com/svg/svg_examples.asp All work fine for me in SeaMonkey
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: SVG plugin
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Kevin O'Gormankogor...@gmail.com wrote: I tried that Adobe site in FF on gentoo and ubuntu with the same non-result. On Vista, I tried FF, Opera, Safari and IE 8, with varied forms of failure. Interestingly, Opera at least offered to start inkscape to view the image, which succeeded. The text on that image suggested it's specific to an adobe plugin -- which it plugs of course. Does somebody have a web page with SVGs that normal browsers with non-proprietary plugins/viewers _can_ view? http://www.w3schools.com/svg/svg_inhtml.asp This page has examples of 3 ways to do it (you should see blue rectangles if SVG is rendering). All 3 examples work for me in Firefox 3.0.11, Seamonkey 1.1.16, Opera 9.64, Konqueror 4.2.3 and Safari 4 (all on Windows). Internet Explorer 8, naturally, requires a plug-in to view SVG.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: SVG plugin
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Paul Hartmanpaul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.w3schools.com/svg/svg_inhtml.asp This page has examples of 3 ways to do it (you should see blue rectangles if SVG is rendering). All 3 examples work for me in Firefox 3.0.11, Seamonkey 1.1.16, Opera 9.64, Konqueror 4.2.3 and Safari 4 (all on Windows). Internet Explorer 8, naturally, requires a plug-in to view SVG. Slight correction - the object tag did not work on Opera, but the other 2 techniques did work. Everything worked in every other browser (except IE, where nothing worked).
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: SVG plugin
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:44, Kevin O'Gormankogor...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Kevin O'Gormankogor...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:43 AM, Nikos Chantziarasrea...@arcor.de wrote: On 06/15/2009 03:30 PM, Mick wrote: 2009/6/15 Florian Philippli...@f_philipp.fastmail.net: Mick schrieb: Hi All, Trying to view a web page I produced some yonks ago, which at that the time would utilise the Adobe SVG plugin to render a gantt chart. The header of the file went like this: = ?xml version=1.0 encoding=iso-8859-1? !DOCTYPE svg PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD SVG 2303 Stylable//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/03/WD-SVG-2303/DTD/svg-2303-stylable.dtd; svg xml:space=preserve width=10in height=8in style=font-family:'Arial';font-size:8 = Adobe seem to have abandoned further development. Any idea what I can use to render such a graphic (image/svg+xml) in a browser? Firefox supports svg out of the box, now. Maybe you need the svg USE-flag for x11-libs/cairo. Hmm, mozilla-firefox does not have an svg flag. Anyway, I have svg in my /etc/make.conf and also have cairo installed: [I] x11-libs/cairo Installed versions: 1.8.6-r1!t(18:54:43 03/17/09)(X glitz opengl svg -cleartype -debug -directfb -doc -xcb) It's not just FF, but also Opera and Konqueror cannot render it either and ask to download a plugin. The code in your webpage is probably wrong. You should just use a normal HTML header instead of this weird !DOCTYPE svg thingy you're using now. Embed SVG images inside the page with a PNG fallback like this: object data=URL_TO_YOUR.svg type=image/svg+xml height=PIXELS width=PIXELS img src=URL_TO_YOUR.png height=PIXELS width=PIXELS /object I tried that Adobe site in FF on gentoo and ubuntu with the same non-result. On Vista, I tried FF, Opera, Safari and IE 8, with varied forms of failure. Interestingly, Opera at least offered to start inkscape to view the image, which succeeded. The text on that image suggested it's specific to an adobe plugin -- which it plugs of course. Does somebody have a web page with SVGs that normal browsers with non-proprietary plugins/viewers _can_ view? I looked a little further. I thought it interesting that Safari could also not view the Adobe SVG thingy. Moreover, http://www.adobe.com/svg/viewer/install/ shows they've dropped support for their viewer, and the most recent blurb promoting SVG relates to Illustrator CS2, when CS4 is the current version. I have CS4, but haven't learned to use it yet. Is there a future in SVG? AFAIK, SVG has a future. Adobe's SVG, on the other hand, seems broken. My router firmware (Tomato) uses SVG for graphics and everything work fine on Firefox. That SVG example from Adobe's site doesn't work. You can safely assume they're using SVG in a way only THEIR plugin would read. offReminds me of PDF, where Adobe completely broke standards, I have some PDFs that every other PDF Reader I could install, even online standalone apps can read, but Adobe Acrobat can't, and it yells the file is broken/off -- Daniel da Veiga
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: SVG plugin
2009/6/15 Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com: Also, in Firefox make sure SVG is enabled. Type about:config in the URL bar and look for the svg.enabled option. Set it to true if it is not already. It was set to true, but will not render (in Linux) -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: SVG plugin
2009/6/15 Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Kevin O'Gormankogor...@gmail.com wrote: I tried that Adobe site in FF on gentoo and ubuntu with the same non-result. On Vista, I tried FF, Opera, Safari and IE 8, with varied forms of failure. Interestingly, Opera at least offered to start inkscape to view the image, which succeeded. The text on that image suggested it's specific to an adobe plugin -- which it plugs of course. Does somebody have a web page with SVGs that normal browsers with non-proprietary plugins/viewers _can_ view? http://www.w3schools.com/svg/svg_inhtml.asp This page has examples of 3 ways to do it (you should see blue rectangles if SVG is rendering). All 3 examples work for me in Firefox 3.0.11, Seamonkey 1.1.16, Opera 9.64, Konqueror 4.2.3 and Safari 4 (all on Windows). Internet Explorer 8, naturally, requires a plug-in to view SVG. All three examples show a solid blue rectangle in FF and Konqueror and go in a terrible loop of opening more and more tabs in Opera. -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: SVG plugin
2009/6/15 Daniel da Veiga danieldave...@gmail.com: AFAIK, SVG has a future. Adobe's SVG, on the other hand, seems broken. My router firmware (Tomato) uses SVG for graphics and everything work fine on Firefox. That SVG example from Adobe's site doesn't work. You can safely assume they're using SVG in a way only THEIR plugin would read. offReminds me of PDF, where Adobe completely broke standards, I have some PDFs that every other PDF Reader I could install, even online standalone apps can read, but Adobe Acrobat can't, and it yells the file is broken/off Hmm, there must be some truth in this, because the Adobe test page shows OK in MSWindows, but not in Linux. On the other hand the w3schools examples show fine in Linux. Thank you all for your help. -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: SVG plugin
Mick wrote: All three examples show a solid blue rectangle in FF and Konqueror and go in a terrible loop of opening more and more tabs in Opera. You also have this: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/SVG_in_Firefox http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/ Best regards Peter K
