Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K.
On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 14:04 -0200, Daniel da Veiga wrote: On 2/4/06, Franta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said. It wont be SicroMoft. I'm still wondering. At this time of writing I reduced the possibilities to Slackware or LFS. I know, I'll need to do some work to get things running but if they are running I know they ARE running. Nobody will upgrade my system to make them stop working and thus make me to explore why and how to fix this. Don't advice me to use Windoooze. I'm a UNIX admin the last 20 years. It would be the horror to become accustomed to this poorly program. Well, program - I don't say this to be an OS. I got a Pentium 100 running for about 6 months now, since that time I did not touch it, its more stable than our proxy server *lol* If you want the bleeding edge, all updates, all the latest versions and changes, you agree that at some point you'll have problems, that's no reason for flamming the distro and if you feel like it, DON'T!! Change the distro, simple as that... C'mon, I am a newbie compared to you. I'm running Linux for about 5 years, Gentoo for about an year, and still, got my udev working after some reading (the docs Philip mentioned)... You should be ashamed of your first post... BTW: I'm a UNIX admin the last 20 years. So don't On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 04:11 -1000, Beau E. Cox wrote: On Saturday 04 February 2006 04:02 am, Franta wrote: Due to the issues I hit (nearly) every time I do an upgrade. I did the upograde today too. There was one on udev. I think devices don't coming up (Sound, USB) could belong to this kind of problems. Well. nothing changes. I've tried it half an hour ago with (a very old) knoppix CD. I have USB disks, I have sound, I have networking ... That said (xcuse me, I HAVE TO say that) Gentoo is far away from a distro for usage. Do not reply to this post - I'll unsubscribe immediatlely after posting and I'll go to have a lok for another distro which won't force me to fdisk for a newly install. Maybe it'll be Slack. Have fun customizing and repairing your systems. I prefer to work with it. Frank So OK. Bye. A little work on your part and you could be enjoying and 'working with' one of the best distros available. Maybe you should pack it in and just install Windoze... -- Aloha = Beau; -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- Got it. Realizing that I got a new baselayout, that things heavily changed in udev AND things heavily changed in the kernel as of versoon 2.6.13 I decided to upgrade the kernel. I've chosen 2.6.15 and averything works again (after a ``no | make oldconfig''). I'd assume that the newer baselayout(s) aren't compatible with kernels older than 2.6.13 anymore. I'll not explore that. Maybe someone knows that beter than me. Right, RTFM will lead to success in every case but it't annoying to do this again and again and again. Right too, I could leave the comp as it is but if I try to install a new tool (yes I'm still in this phase) I'll have to upgrade anyway. After a month without internet connection I got about 30 packages to upgrade. For now I'll upgrade rather often to hold this number low. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K.
On 2/12/06, Franta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2006-02-10 at 14:04 -0200, Daniel da Veiga wrote: On 2/4/06, Franta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said. It wont be SicroMoft. I'm still wondering. At this time of writing I reduced the possibilities to Slackware or LFS. I know, I'll need to do some work to get things running but if they are running I know they ARE running. Nobody will upgrade my system to make them stop working and thus make me to explore why and how to fix this. Don't advice me to use Windoooze. I'm a UNIX admin the last 20 years. It would be the horror to become accustomed to this poorly program. Well, program - I don't say this to be an OS. I got a Pentium 100 running for about 6 months now, since that time I did not touch it, its more stable than our proxy server *lol* If you want the bleeding edge, all updates, all the latest versions and changes, you agree that at some point you'll have problems, that's no reason for flamming the distro and if you feel like it, DON'T!! Change the distro, simple as that... C'mon, I am a newbie compared to you. I'm running Linux for about 5 years, Gentoo for about an year, and still, got my udev working after some reading (the docs Philip mentioned)... You should be ashamed of your first post... BTW: I'm a UNIX admin the last 20 years. So don't On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 04:11 -1000, Beau E. Cox wrote: On Saturday 04 February 2006 04:02 am, Franta wrote: Due to the issues I hit (nearly) every time I do an upgrade. I did the upograde today too. There was one on udev. I think devices don't coming up (Sound, USB) could belong to this kind of problems. Well. nothing changes. I've tried it half an hour ago with (a very old) knoppix CD. I have USB disks, I have sound, I have networking ... That said (xcuse me, I HAVE TO say that) Gentoo is far away from a distro for usage. Do not reply to this post - I'll unsubscribe immediatlely after posting and I'll go to have a lok for another distro which won't force me to fdisk for a newly install. Maybe it'll be Slack. Have fun customizing and repairing your systems. I prefer to work with it. Frank So OK. Bye. A little work on your part and you could be enjoying and 'working with' one of the best distros available. Maybe you should pack it in and just install Windoze... -- Aloha = Beau; -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- Got it. Realizing that I got a new baselayout, that things heavily changed in udev AND things heavily changed in the kernel as of versoon 2.6.13 I decided to upgrade the kernel. I've chosen 2.6.15 and averything works again (after a ``no | make oldconfig''). I'd assume that the newer baselayout(s) aren't compatible with kernels older than 2.6.13 anymore. I'll not explore that. Maybe someone knows that beter than me. Right, RTFM will lead to success in every case but it't annoying to do this again and again and again. Right too, I could leave the comp as it is but if I try to install a new tool (yes I'm still in this phase) I'll have to upgrade anyway. After a month without internet connection I got about 30 packages to upgrade. For now I'll upgrade rather often to hold this number low. In fact, you don't need to upgrade to install new tools, only if they explicity ASK for an upgrade as a dependency, take as example the gcc version, I lived with it for a few months till I decided to upgrade, and I installed most of the system with all current versions, none asked for a gcc upgrade, or baselayout, or kernel, in fact, my core system tools stayed as installed from the CD for a few months (except for portage and a few dependencies). emerge --sync doesn't mean you have to upgrade world... You can keep the sync and don't change your system... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K.
On 2/4/06, Franta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said. It wont be SicroMoft. I'm still wondering. At this time of writing I reduced the possibilities to Slackware or LFS. I know, I'll need to do some work to get things running but if they are running I know they ARE running. Nobody will upgrade my system to make them stop working and thus make me to explore why and how to fix this. Don't advice me to use Windoooze. I'm a UNIX admin the last 20 years. It would be the horror to become accustomed to this poorly program. Well, program - I don't say this to be an OS. I got a Pentium 100 running for about 6 months now, since that time I did not touch it, its more stable than our proxy server *lol* If you want the bleeding edge, all updates, all the latest versions and changes, you agree that at some point you'll have problems, that's no reason for flamming the distro and if you feel like it, DON'T!! Change the distro, simple as that... C'mon, I am a newbie compared to you. I'm running Linux for about 5 years, Gentoo for about an year, and still, got my udev working after some reading (the docs Philip mentioned)... You should be ashamed of your first post... BTW: I'm a UNIX admin the last 20 years. So don't On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 04:11 -1000, Beau E. Cox wrote: On Saturday 04 February 2006 04:02 am, Franta wrote: Due to the issues I hit (nearly) every time I do an upgrade. I did the upograde today too. There was one on udev. I think devices don't coming up (Sound, USB) could belong to this kind of problems. Well. nothing changes. I've tried it half an hour ago with (a very old) knoppix CD. I have USB disks, I have sound, I have networking ... That said (xcuse me, I HAVE TO say that) Gentoo is far away from a distro for usage. Do not reply to this post - I'll unsubscribe immediatlely after posting and I'll go to have a lok for another distro which won't force me to fdisk for a newly install. Maybe it'll be Slack. Have fun customizing and repairing your systems. I prefer to work with it. Frank So OK. Bye. A little work on your part and you could be enjoying and 'working with' one of the best distros available. Maybe you should pack it in and just install Windoze... -- Aloha = Beau; -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K. -- help or point!
On Sun, 2006-02-05 at 23:02 -0700, Richard Fish wrote: On 2/5/06, Franta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: frankies ~ # #with stick frankies ~ # frankies ~ # ls /dev/ds* ls: /dev/ds*: No such file or directory Oh, and you typo'd here... -Richard :-D yepp -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K. -- help or point!
On Sunday 05 February 2006 07:09, a tiny voice compelled Franta to write: All this was here ones again :( snip http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_USB_Mass_Storage_Device Hopefully you'll figure it out with this. -- Regards, Ernie -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K. -- help or point!
On 2/5/06, Franta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All this was here ones again :( I posted this to your other thread, but you either didn't see it or didn't respond. Try cat /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug. In your case, it should say /sbin/udevsend. However, we are _assuming_ that the system is starting udev. You should check the first few lines of the system boot to make sure. You should see messages like: Mounting /dev for udev ... ... Setting /sbin/udevsend as hotplug agent ... -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K. -- help or point!
On Sun, 2006-02-05 at 10:08 -0700, Richard Fish wrote: On 2/5/06, Franta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All this was here ones again :( I posted this to your other thread, but you either didn't see it or didn't respond. Try cat /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug. In your case, it should say /sbin/udevsend. However, we are _assuming_ that the system is starting udev. You should check the first few lines of the system boot to make sure. You should see messages like: Mounting /dev for udev ... ... Setting /sbin/udevsend as hotplug agent ... -Richard Yes, this is set. I'd assume, if my devices are managed by UDEV than all of them are managed by UDEV. Aren't they? I've had a short look into 50-udev.rules. The only entries for USB are these. # usb devices KERNEL==hiddev*, NAME=usb/%k KERNEL==auer*,NAME=usb/%k KERNEL==legousbtower*,NAME=usb/%k, GROUP=usb KERNEL==dabusb*, NAME=usb/%k BUS==usb, KERNEL==lp[0-9]*, NAME=usb/%k, GROUP=lp Hmmm... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K. -- help or point!
On 2/5/06, Franta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: frankies ~ # #with stick frankies ~ # frankies ~ # ls /dev/ds* ls: /dev/ds*: No such file or directory Oh, and you typo'd here... -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K. -- help or point!
On 2/5/06, Franta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, this is set. I'd assume, if my devices are managed by UDEV than all of them are managed by UDEV. Aren't they? I've had a short look into 50-udev.rules. The only entries for USB are these. This is normal. The /dev/sd* devices are not USB specific, and will be created by the rule: KERNEL==sd*, NAME=%k, GROUP=disk Try running udevmonitor and inserting the device. It should show something like: UDEV [1139206632.118912] add@/block/sdb -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K.
On Saturday 04 February 2006 04:02 am, Franta wrote: Due to the issues I hit (nearly) every time I do an upgrade. I did the upograde today too. There was one on udev. I think devices don't coming up (Sound, USB) could belong to this kind of problems. Well. nothing changes. I've tried it half an hour ago with (a very old) knoppix CD. I have USB disks, I have sound, I have networking ... That said (xcuse me, I HAVE TO say that) Gentoo is far away from a distro for usage. Do not reply to this post - I'll unsubscribe immediatlely after posting and I'll go to have a lok for another distro which won't force me to fdisk for a newly install. Maybe it'll be Slack. Have fun customizing and repairing your systems. I prefer to work with it. Frank So OK. Bye. A little work on your part and you could be enjoying and 'working with' one of the best distros available. Maybe you should pack it in and just install Windoze... -- Aloha = Beau; -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K.
As I said. It wont be SicroMoft. I'm still wondering. At this time of writing I reduced the possibilities to Slackware or LFS. I know, I'll need to do some work to get things running but if they are running I know they ARE running. Nobody will upgrade my system to make them stop working and thus make me to explore why and how to fix this. Don't advice me to use Windoooze. I'm a UNIX admin the last 20 years. It would be the horror to become accustomed to this poorly program. Well, program - I don't say this to be an OS. BTW: I'm a UNIX admin the last 20 years. So don't On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 04:11 -1000, Beau E. Cox wrote: On Saturday 04 February 2006 04:02 am, Franta wrote: Due to the issues I hit (nearly) every time I do an upgrade. I did the upograde today too. There was one on udev. I think devices don't coming up (Sound, USB) could belong to this kind of problems. Well. nothing changes. I've tried it half an hour ago with (a very old) knoppix CD. I have USB disks, I have sound, I have networking ... That said (xcuse me, I HAVE TO say that) Gentoo is far away from a distro for usage. Do not reply to this post - I'll unsubscribe immediatlely after posting and I'll go to have a lok for another distro which won't force me to fdisk for a newly install. Maybe it'll be Slack. Have fun customizing and repairing your systems. I prefer to work with it. Frank So OK. Bye. A little work on your part and you could be enjoying and 'working with' one of the best distros available. Maybe you should pack it in and just install Windoze... -- Aloha = Beau; -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K.
On 2/4/06, Franta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Due to the issues I hit (nearly) every time I do an upgrade.I did the upograde today too. There was one on udev. I think devicesdon't coming up (Sound, USB) could belong to this kind of problems.Well. nothing changes. I've tried it half an hour ago with (a very old) knoppix CD. I have USBdisks, I have sound, I have networking ...That said (xcuse me, I HAVE TO say that) Gentoo is far away from adistro for usage. Do not reply to this post - I'll unsubscribe immediatlely after postingand I'll go to have a lok for another distro which won't force me tofdisk for a newly install. Maybe it'll be Slack.Have fun customizing and repairing your systems. I prefer to work with it.Frank--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing listI hope you realize you don't *have* to sync with portage at all. You can run a static install if you so choose. And if you prefer to upgrade the traditional way, no one is stopping you from downloading your own gzipped/tarred sources and compiling them.-- - Mark Shields
Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K.
On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:08:31 +0100, Franta wrote: As I said. It wont be SicroMoft. I'm still wondering. At this time of writing I reduced the possibilities to Slackware or LFS. I know, I'll need to do some work to get things running but if they are running I know they ARE running. Nobody will upgrade my system to make them stop working and thus make me to explore why and how to fix this. Don't advice me to use Windoooze. I'm a UNIX admin the last 20 years. With all that experience, I'm surprised you made such a basic mistake as overwriting a config file. Gentoo is careful to protect your configuration files from being overwritten by new releases, it takes a deliberate action on your part to do this. -- Neil Bothwick Despite the cost of living it remains popular. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K.
On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 15:30 +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:08:31 +0100, Franta wrote: As I said. It wont be SicroMoft. I'm still wondering. At this time of writing I reduced the possibilities to Slackware or LFS. I know, I'll need to do some work to get things running but if they are running I know they ARE running. Nobody will upgrade my system to make them stop working and thus make me to explore why and how to fix this. Don't advice me to use Windoooze. I'm a UNIX admin the last 20 years. With all that experience, I'm surprised you made such a basic mistake as overwriting a config file. Gentoo is careful to protect your configuration files from being overwritten by new releases, it takes a deliberate action on your part to do this. This isn't going to turn into another pointless flamewar, is it? My hostility sensors are going off... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K.
On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:36:10 -0600, Michael Sullivan wrote: With all that experience, I'm surprised you made such a basic mistake as overwriting a config file. Gentoo is careful to protect your configuration files from being overwritten by new releases, it takes a deliberate action on your part to do this. This isn't going to turn into another pointless flamewar, is it? Is there any other kind? I think the flames started when the OP made a basic mistake and decided the whole distro was unsuitable for any serious use because of his error. -- Neil Bothwick Master of all I survey (at the moment, empty pizza boxes) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Well man... if you don't like Gentoo because of it's privileges (etc-update for example?) LFS IS FOR YOU, I'M PRETTY SURE. Anyway, if you don't like Gentoo (or you don't know how to use it that's my odd), don't tell us how bad Gentoo is. Post that thing in Microsoft's forums, maybe they get you for working with them. Where can we find some dudes as this one? I want to buy a circus... Bye, Rafael Fernández López. - -- Un saludo, Rafael Fernández López. ``A la vista de suficientes ojos todos los errores resultan evidentes - Linus Torvalds ``The explanation for 'free software' is simple--a person who has grasped the idea of 'free speech, not free beer' will not get it wrong again - Richard Stallman -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFD5RUM9RRlaicc3IERAqiKAJ9AtUXw+X3vnSCLq5EeYFQtGlXbhwCdHDjm OVloxt9ufX/2DhfhfAs3VFI= =N13y -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K.
On Sat, 2006-02-04 at 20:27 +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:36:10 -0600, Michael Sullivan wrote: With all that experience, I'm surprised you made such a basic mistake as overwriting a config file. Gentoo is careful to protect your configuration files from being overwritten by new releases, it takes a deliberate action on your part to do this. This isn't going to turn into another pointless flamewar, is it? Is there any other kind? I think the flames started when the OP made a basic mistake and decided the whole distro was unsuitable for any serious use because of his error. That could be true, but why do we let it continue? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So O.K.
On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:02:56 -0600, Michael Sullivan wrote: I think the flames started when the OP made a basic mistake and decided the whole distro was unsuitable for any serious use because of his error. That could be true, but why do we let it continue? I don't know, why are you continuing what would have been a dead thread by now? :) -- Neil Bothwick Things which must be shipped together as a set, aren't. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
