Re: [gentoo-user] So how does one write a CD in 2.6?
On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:11:47 +0200, Holly Bostick wrote: I don't myself use cdrecord directly all that often, but I did manage to remember cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus which produced this output: [snip] scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) '_NEC' 'DVD_RW ND-2510A ' '2.15' Removable CD-ROM 0,1,0 1) * 0,2,0 2) * 0,3,0 3) * 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * so the correct syntax to access my burner would be cdrecord dev=0,0,0 whatever comes after that. That would be dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 - otherwise it will look for the first SCSI device. -- Neil Bothwick Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film. pgpL4Z6WWPdpP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] So how does one write a CD in 2.6?
cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI gives me the following... scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) 'HITACHI ' 'DVD-ROM GD-5000 ' '0110' Removable CD-ROM 0,1,0 1) 'SONY' 'CD-RW CRX100E ' '1.0m' Removable CD-ROM 0,2,0 2) * 0,3,0 3) * 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * I copy/move a bunch of files into directory xfer, and burn an ISO with the following script... #!/bin/sh mkisofs -R -J xfer | cdrecord -tao -v fs=8m -data dev=ATAPI:0,1,0 - Piping direct from mkisofs avoids creating, and then deleting, a physical ISO file. It does give a warning message because, with input from stdin, cdrecord has no way of telling in advance whether it'll fit onto the CD. -- Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So how does one write a CD in 2.6?
On 09 Jun 2005 10:17:30 +0100, Govind Chandra wrote: cdrecord -scanbus says there are issues with kernel 2.5 and newer. Ignore it. It's only a warning and we have moved on quite a way since 2.5. -- Neil Bothwick A woman walked into a bar and asked the barman for a large double entendre, so he gave her one. pgpdL1zNug0Wy.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] So how does one write a CD in 2.6?
Govind Chandra schreef: Just installed Gentoo 2005.0. cdrecord -scanbus says there are issues with kernel 2.5 and newer. Is there any way of writing CDs in Gentoo 2005.0? Govind Of course there is... don't you think you'd have heard about it if none of us could write CD's and DVDs? I mean, that would be *news* ;-) . That message is... well, not untrue, but misleading. We've been beyond the 2.5 stage long enough that while the issues are not fixed (due to the developer of cdrecord being in philosophical conflict with the kernel devs), they have long ago had workarounds developed for them. So CD recording works fairly normally under Linux-- certainly under X, where there are several frontends available that record such media reliably. Under the console, a read-through of the man pages is in order due to 1) specific settings needed to run cdrecord using an ATAPI recorder rather than a SCSI one; 2) additional programs needed to record DVDs (rather than CDs) or special formats (like ISOs). But it's all pretty straightforward, and works well (I haven't burned a coaster in months). What precisely is the problem you're having? Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So how does one write a CD in 2.6?
At 10:35 AM 6/9/2005, Rob wrote: At 04:50 AM 6/9/2005, you wrote: Govind Chandra schreef: Just installed Gentoo 2005.0. cdrecord -scanbus says there are issues with kernel 2.5 and newer. Is there any way of writing CDs in Gentoo 2005.0? Govind Of course there is... don't you think you'd have heard about it if none of us could write CD's and DVDs? I mean, that would be *news* ;-) . That message is... well, not untrue, but misleading. We've been beyond the 2.5 stage long enough that while the issues are not fixed (due to the developer of cdrecord being in philosophical conflict with the kernel devs), they have long ago had workarounds developed for them. So CD recording works fairly normally under Linux-- certainly under X, where there are several frontends available that record such media reliably. Under the console, a read-through of the man pages is in order due to 1) specific settings needed to run cdrecord using an ATAPI recorder rather than a SCSI one; 2) additional programs needed to record DVDs (rather than CDs) or special formats (like ISOs). But it's all pretty straightforward, and works well (I haven't burned a coaster in months). What precisely is the problem you're having? Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Dear list, Here is my experience: I followed the kernel warnings that ide-scsi was depricated, then found out that most of the burner programs would not work or worked lousy with an ide ATAPI interface. So I went back to the hdc=ide-scsi kernel option. I would like to, however, follow the correct procedure, that is, use an ide atapi interface, only it didn't work out for me the first time. Any help or advice would be appreciated. Sincerely, Rob. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So how does one write a CD in 2.6?
--- Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: procedure, that is, use an ide atapi interface, only it didn't work out for me the first time. Any help or advice would be appreciated. Hi Rob, What do you mean it didn't work out? More specific please. Instead of using the scsibus address like -dev=0,0,0 or whatever you simply substitute -dev=/dev/hdc. Zac __ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So how does one write a CD in 2.6?
Rob schreef: At 10:35 AM 6/9/2005, Rob wrote: At 04:50 AM 6/9/2005, you wrote: Govind Chandra schreef: Just installed Gentoo 2005.0. cdrecord -scanbus says there are issues with kernel 2.5 and newer. Is there any way of writing CDs in Gentoo 2005.0? Govind Of course there is... don't you think you'd have heard about it if none of us could write CD's and DVDs? I mean, that would be *news* ;-) . That message is... well, not untrue, but misleading. We've been beyond the 2.5 stage long enough that while the issues are not fixed (due to the developer of cdrecord being in philosophical conflict with the kernel devs), they have long ago had workarounds developed for them. So CD recording works fairly normally under Linux-- certainly under X, where there are several frontends available that record such media reliably. Under the console, a read-through of the man pages is in order due to 1) specific settings needed to run cdrecord using an ATAPI recorder rather than a SCSI one; 2) additional programs needed to record DVDs (rather than CDs) or special formats (like ISOs). But it's all pretty straightforward, and works well (I haven't burned a coaster in months). What precisely is the problem you're having? Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Dear list, Here is my experience: I followed the kernel warnings that ide-scsi was depricated, then found out that most of the burner programs would not work or worked lousy with an ide ATAPI interface. So I went back to the hdc=ide-scsi kernel option. I would like to, however, follow the correct procedure, that is, use an ide atapi interface, only it didn't work out for me the first time. Any help or advice would be appreciated. Sincerely, Rob. What kernel was this under, and what kernel are you using now? In the very early days of 2.6, one really had to explicitly run ide-cd (the replacement for ide-scsi) in order to get things working, but again, we are far beyond that now. Ide-cd is automatically compiled into the kernel (you don't even get to choose it, it's just there), and /dev/hdc (assuming that that's where your CD/DVD burner is) will use it when it is detected to be a writeable device during the boot process. So again, I ask what precisely your issue is what goes wrong when you try to burn a CD or DVD? What commands are you using to do so, and what type of disk are you trying to create (a bootable ISO? a data disk? a SVCD? an audio disk)? If we knew that, maybe we'd know where to start looking for a misconfiguration or missing backend subsystem. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So how does one write a CD in 2.6?
At 10:55 AM 6/9/2005, you wrote: --- Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: procedure, that is, use an ide atapi interface, only it didn't work out for me the first time. Any help or advice would be appreciated. Hi Rob, What do you mean it didn't work out? More specific please. Instead of using the scsibus address like -dev=0,0,0 or whatever you simply substitute -dev=/dev/hdc. Zac Hi Zac, Sorry for not being specific enough. What I mean was that by specifying /dev/hdc as the cd burner, the only program I could get to work was x-cdroast. None of the other burner programs that I emerged and tested would work with the ATAPI interface. So that is why I went back to the deprecated ide-scsi interface. So again I am asking, did I do something wrong? Or am I just caugh in a temporary transition to /dev/hdc? Thanks alot!! Rob -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So how does one write a CD in 2.6?
Hi Holly, I was using the 2.6.11 (I believe, but now I'm not sure of the specific rev level, but it was definitely 2.6.x). I may have just misconfigured something. But x-cdroast continuously gave me warnings that my performance would suffer unless I went back to ide-scsi. Of course there is... don't you think you'd have heard about it if none of us could write CD's and DVDs? I mean, that would be *news* ;-) . That message is... well, not untrue, but misleading. We've been beyond the 2.5 stage long enough that while the issues are not fixed (due to the developer of cdrecord being in philosophical conflict with the kernel devs), they have long ago had workarounds developed for them. So CD recording works fairly normally under Linux-- certainly under X, where there are several frontends available that record such media reliably. Under the console, a read-through of the man pages is in order due to 1) specific settings needed to run cdrecord using an ATAPI recorder rather than a SCSI one; 2) additional programs needed to record DVDs (rather than CDs) or special formats (like ISOs). But it's all pretty straightforward, and works well (I haven't burned a coaster in months). What precisely is the problem you're having? Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Dear list, Here is my experience: I followed the kernel warnings that ide-scsi was depricated, then found out that most of the burner programs would not work or worked lousy with an ide ATAPI interface. So I went back to the hdc=ide-scsi kernel option. I would like to, however, follow the correct procedure, that is, use an ide atapi interface, only it didn't work out for me the first time. Any help or advice would be appreciated. Sincerely, Rob. What kernel was this under, and what kernel are you using now? In the very early days of 2.6, one really had to explicitly run ide-cd (the replacement for ide-scsi) in order to get things working, but again, we are far beyond that now. Ide-cd is automatically compiled into the kernel (you don't even get to choose it, it's just there), and /dev/hdc (assuming that that's where your CD/DVD burner is) will use it when it is detected to be a writeable device during the boot process. So again, I ask what precisely your issue is what goes wrong when you try to burn a CD or DVD? What commands are you using to do so, and what type of disk are you trying to create (a bootable ISO? a data disk? a SVCD? an audio disk)? If we knew that, maybe we'd know where to start looking for a misconfiguration or missing backend subsystem. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So how does one write a CD in 2.6?
Rob schreef: At 10:55 AM 6/9/2005, you wrote: --- Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: procedure, that is, use an ide atapi interface, only it didn't work out for me the first time. Any help or advice would be appreciated. Hi Rob, What do you mean it didn't work out? More specific please. Instead of using the scsibus address like -dev=0,0,0 or whatever you simply substitute -dev=/dev/hdc. Zac Hi Zac, Sorry for not being specific enough. What I mean was that by specifying /dev/hdc as the cd burner, the only program I could get to work was x-cdroast. None of the other burner programs that I emerged and tested would work with the ATAPI interface. So that is why I went back to the deprecated ide-scsi interface. So again I am asking, did I do something wrong? Or am I just caugh in a temporary transition to /dev/hdc? Thanks alot!! Rob Rob, I regret to inform you that your syntax seems to be all wrong, and this stands a good chance of being your problem. I don't myself use cdrecord directly all that often, but I did manage to remember cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus which produced this output: Cdrecord-Clone 2.01 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 Jörg Schilling on-the-fly encryption (version 1.0-rc1) built-in, (C) 2004,2005 Maximilian Decker NOTE: this version of cdrecord is an inofficial (modified) release of cdrecord and thus may have bugs that are not present in the original version. Please send bug reports and support requests to burbon04 at gmx.de. For more information please see http://burbon04.gmxhome.de/linux/CDREncryption.html. The original author should not be bothered with problems of this version. cdrecord: Warning: Running on Linux-2.6.11-gentoo-r8 cdrecord: There are unsettled issues with Linux-2.5 and newer. cdrecord: If you have unexpected problems, please try Linux-2.4 or Solaris. scsidev: 'ATAPI' devname: 'ATAPI' scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2 Warning: Using ATA Packet interface. Warning: The related Linux kernel interface code seems to be unmaintained. Warning: There is absolutely NO DMA, operations thus are slow. Using libscg version 'schily-0.8'. scsibus0: 0,0,0 0) '_NEC' 'DVD_RW ND-2510A ' '2.15' Removable CD-ROM 0,1,0 1) * 0,2,0 2) * 0,3,0 3) * 0,4,0 4) * 0,5,0 5) * 0,6,0 6) * 0,7,0 7) * so the correct syntax to access my burner would be cdrecord dev=0,0,0 whatever comes after that. The whole /dev/hdc thing is just not correct (it's dev= whatever). Check the man page for more info. Hope this helps get you pointed in the right direction. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So how does one write a CD in 2.6?
--- Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for not being specific enough. What I mean was that by specifying /dev/hdc as the cd burner, the only program I could get to work was x-cdroast. None of the other burner programs that I emerged and tested would work with the ATAPI interface. So that is why I went back to the deprecated ide-scsi interface. So again I am asking, did I do something wrong? Or am I just caugh in a temporary transition to /dev/hdc? Thanks alot!! Rob All the cd/dvd burning frontends are just that, frontends. They all use the same backend command line programs to handle the actual burning. These backend programs include cdrecord, growisofs, and cdrdao. This means that theoretically (maybe with a little troubleshooting), any frontend will work with the ATAPI interface. Zac __ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So how does one write a CD in 2.6?
Rob schreef: At 10:55 AM 6/9/2005, you wrote: --- Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: procedure, that is, use an ide atapi interface, only it didn't work out for me the first time. Any help or advice would be appreciated. Hi Rob, What do you mean it didn't work out? More specific please. Instead of using the scsibus address like -dev=0,0,0 or whatever you simply substitute -dev=/dev/hdc. Zac Hi Zac, Sorry for not being specific enough. What I mean was that by specifying /dev/hdc as the cd burner, the only program I could get to work was x-cdroast. None of the other burner programs that I emerged and tested would work with the ATAPI interface. So that is why I went back to the deprecated ide-scsi interface. So again I am asking, did I do something wrong? Or am I just caugh in a temporary transition to /dev/hdc? Thanks alot!! Rob Actually (since I don't use cdrecord often), I noted down the command I must use to generate and burn an iso file, so here the 'burn' section: cdrecord -v -dao -eject dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 driveropts=burnfree /wherever/the/file/is.iso for example. So the syntax is dev=ATAPI=#,#,# ,depending on what scanbus told you your device was. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So how does one write a CD in 2.6?
--- Holly Bostick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually (since I don't use cdrecord often), I noted down the command I must use to generate and burn an iso file, so here the 'burn' section: cdrecord -v -dao -eject dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 driveropts=burnfree /wherever/the/file/is.iso for example. So the syntax is dev=ATAPI=#,#,# ,depending on what scanbus told you your device was. Cool, I've beed using dev=/dev/hdc type syntax all this time. I just found out that I need cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI: to get relevent info to use your syntax. Zac __ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So how does one write a CD in 2.6?
Neil Bothwick wrote: On 09 Jun 2005 10:17:30 +0100, Govind Chandra wrote: cdrecord -scanbus says there are issues with kernel 2.5 and newer. Ignore it. It's only a warning and we have moved on quite a way since 2.5. Indeed. With 2.6, the kernel devs would prefer you to use the device node: cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrw (with cdrw being a symlink to an actual device, but you can use /dev/cdrom, /dev/hdX, whatever) The cdrecord author still prefers the dev=x,x,x syntax. This was the subject of much fighting between them. The choice is yours though. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So how does one write a CD in 2.6?
Holly Bostick wrote: so the correct syntax to access my burner would be cdrecord dev=0,0,0 whatever comes after that. The whole /dev/hdc thing is just not correct (it's dev= whatever). Check the man page for more info. Actually Holly, both methods should work. I use dev=/dev/cdrw without any trouble at all. From what I remember reading, the kernel devs prefer this, because to them, creating an artificial numbering system (bus, id, lun) for a bus topography (IDE, SATA) that doesn't use it to be just silly. They consider the whole ide-scsi thing to be an unnecessary hack. Plus, identifying things by their dynamically-assigned address on a bus doesn't work well in a hot-pluggable world. The cdrecord author prefers the dev=x,x,x syntax, because then the same syntax is used to access all CD-R[W] drives on all platforms. Neither side seems willing to accept the other's viewpoint as valid. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So how does one write a CD in 2.6?
Rob wrote: Hi Holly, I was using the 2.6.11 (I believe, but now I'm not sure of the specific rev level, but it was definitely 2.6.x). I may have just misconfigured something. But x-cdroast continuously gave me warnings that my performance would suffer unless I went back to ide-scsi. Did performance actually suffer? Or was it just dire warnings that you were doing something dangerous, stupid, or likely to cause sterility. Usually with cdrecord that means you are on the right track! On that note, you might want to try running cdrecord from the command line. The command I use is: cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom -immed -eject driveropt=burnfree blank=fast file.iso If your drive doesn't support burnfree, just take that out. Also if your drive is on a channel all by itself, you can remove the -immed option. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So how does one write a CD in 2.6?
Holly Bostick wrote: Rob, I regret to inform you that your syntax seems to be all wrong, and this stands a good chance of being your problem. I don't myself use cdrecord directly all that often, but I did manage to remember cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus Last time I checked (2.6.11), dev=ATAPI doesnt work, since its not related to a particular device node file, the kernel doesn't know whether you have write permissions to that device, so it denies write-related commands. As for which syntax is theoretically correct, thats the subject of an eternal discussion. The cdrecord author thinks ATAPI:x,y,z is correct, the kernel developers thing dev=/dev/cdrom is correct. But right now, you'll probably find that dev=/dev/cdrom is the only one that works when you actually come to writing. Daniel -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] So how does one write a CD in 2.6?
Richard Fish schreef: Holly Bostick wrote: so the correct syntax to access my burner would be cdrecord dev=0,0,0 whatever comes after that. The whole /dev/hdc thing is just not correct (it's dev= whatever). Check the man page for more info. Actually Holly, both methods should work. I use dev=/dev/cdrw without any trouble at all. From what I remember reading, the kernel devs prefer this, because to them, creating an artificial numbering system (bus, id, lun) for a bus topography (IDE, SATA) that doesn't use it to be just silly. They consider the whole ide-scsi thing to be an unnecessary hack. Plus, identifying things by their dynamically-assigned address on a bus doesn't work well in a hot-pluggable world. The cdrecord author prefers the dev=x,x,x syntax, because then the same syntax is used to access all CD-R[W] drives on all platforms. Neither side seems willing to accept the other's viewpoint as valid. -Richard Fair enough, Richard. I'm sure that dev=/dev/hdc would likely work. However, it would have to be /dev/hdc (the original device name), because I cannot necessarily be sure that I will always have /dev/cdrw, for example. Atm, my DVD burner as hdc is symlinked to /dev/cdrom, /dev/cdrw, /dev/dvd and /dev/dvdr, so I could probably use any of those. But that's all udev's doing, and under other Linuxes, other versions of udev, or even with other drives, I'd have to check the symlinks every time to make sure that my DVD+R wasn't now *only* linked to /dev/dvd and /dev/dvdr, and no more to /dev/cdrom, and /dev/cdrw. Of course I'm sure that /dev/hdc would always work under all circumstances unless I physically moved the drive. But if I scan the bus and see what cdrecord thinks, then that will also always work. So I agree that both viewpoints are valid, but not once you start adding in the symlinks to the real device, because that's a distribution-specific config issue and not a 'base' kernel or program issue... and if you're distro-hopping or multi-booting, the most irritating thing is to have to remember that under X distro the command is one thing, and under Y distro, the command is another. To me, anyway. I have a hard enough time remembering CLI commands as it is :-) . Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
