Re: [gentoo-user] new printer : any thoughts ?

2013-12-22 Thread Frank Steinmetzger
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 02:27:44PM +0100, Daniel Pielmeier wrote:
 2013/12/11 Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net
 
  My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up
   the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB.
  I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages.
 
  The local store has an HP Deskjet 2510 on sale this week.
 
 Regarding HP printers and hplip, I recommend buying a printer which does
 not require a binary plugin [1]. First they are a source of trouble and
 second the binary plugins are not supported by Gentoo which means there is
 no maintainer for a plugin ebuild [2]. Plugin installation currently is not
 under contol of the package manager and hplip tries to automagically
 download and install the plugin which often fails.

I never came to like Ink-squirters. All the mess with dried up print
heads, planned-obsolescence and ink more expensive than blood.

I am also quite tired of hplip. At some point foo2zjs was masked in
portage (never bothered finding out why), so I had to migrate. Hplip is
just another thing that puts itself into the tray, but needs cups
nonetheless. The download of the printer plugin (or rather, its
installation) fails b/c it needs python 2, but doesn't explicitly state
that. So if you have python 3 as your system version, the python script
fails.

I have a laserjet 1000, bought in 2004, it's even still got the original
cartridge. It may not be fast and has no duplex mode, but it suits my
needs.
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Re: [gentoo-user] new printer : any thoughts ?

2013-12-11 Thread Thomas Mueller
from Philip Webb:

 My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up
 the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB.
I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages.

The local store has an HP Deskjet 2510 on sale this week.

Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions ?

I lean toward Brother from what I hear and from my long-ago experience with 
Brother AX-26 word-processing daisywheel typewriter.

My experience with HP LaserJet M1212nf MFP and their technical support is 
unfavorable.

Their tech support was offshored to India, and there was much difficulty in 
being understood, both ways, over the telephone.

I still haven't succeeded in setting it up.

Maybe the assumptions about file system structure are Linux-based and cause 
failure in NetBSD and FreeBSD.

Or maybe the printer is a turkey.

This caused me strong aversion to buying anything in the future from HP.

What other printer brands require a special package such as hplip for Linux and 
BSD?

Tom




Re: [gentoo-user] new printer : any thoughts ?

2013-12-11 Thread Daniel Pielmeier
2013/12/11 Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net

 My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up
  the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB.
 I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages.

 The local store has an HP Deskjet 2510 on sale this week.

 Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions ?


Regarding HP printers and hplip, I recommend buying a printer which does
not require a binary plugin [1]. First they are a source of trouble and
second the binary plugins are not supported by Gentoo which means there is
no maintainer for a plugin ebuild [2]. Plugin installation currently is not
under contol of the package manager and hplip tries to automagically
download and install the plugin which often fails.

[1] http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/plugin.html
[2] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352439

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Re: [gentoo-user] new printer : any thoughts ?

2013-12-11 Thread Dale
Daniel Pielmeier wrote:
 2013/12/11 Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net
 mailto:purs...@ca.inter.net
 
  My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up
   the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB.
  I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages.
 
  The local store has an HP Deskjet 2510 on sale this week.
 
  Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions ?
 

 Regarding HP printers and hplip, I recommend buying a printer which
 does not require a binary plugin [1]. First they are a source of
 trouble and second the binary plugins are not supported by Gentoo
 which means there is no maintainer for a plugin ebuild [2]. Plugin
 installation currently is not under contol of the package manager and
 hplip tries to automagically download and install the plugin which
 often fails.

 [1] http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/plugin.html
 [2] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352439

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 Regards
 Daniel


I been using hplip for a long time.  I never had any issue installing
it.  The only bug I ever had was when it would lock up and not work.  I
went back to a older version and hit the next update.  It worked fine. 

I guess my mileage varies.  lol 

Dale

:-)  :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] new printer : any thoughts ?

2013-12-11 Thread Helmut Jarausch

On 12/11/2013 03:01:29 AM, Philip Webb wrote:

My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up
 the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB.
I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages.

The local store has an HP Deskjet 2510 on sale this week.

Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions ?


Have a look at Kyocera printers.
Privately and at our institute we have only the best experiences with  
Kyocera printers.

I have an FS 1028 MFP,

it's a reasonably fast bw laser printer. It has a duplex unit for
printing AND scanning and copying.

It scans bw as well as color sheets.

It can be connected via USB and LAN.

I have a LAN at home and can print from my Android phone wirelessly.

Kyocera has the cheapest cost per print.

I would buy it again immediately if necessary.

Helmut




Re: [gentoo-user] new printer : any thoughts ?

2013-12-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 11.12.2013 03:01, schrieb Philip Webb:
 My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up
  the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB.
 I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages.

 The local store has an HP Deskjet 2510 on sale this week.

 Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions ?

yes, get a laser printer. They are cheap and there is no ink to dry up.



Re: [gentoo-user] new printer : any thoughts ?

2013-12-10 Thread Dale
Philip Webb wrote:
 My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up
  the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB.
 I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages.

 The local store has an HP Deskjet 2510 on sale this week.

 Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions ?



I usually refer to the hplip website for HP printers.  Here is the
printer you mentioned.

http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/deskjet_aio/deskjet_2510_series.html


Based on that, it should work.  That printer actually has better support
than my current printer.  Go figure. 

Hope that helps. 

Dale 

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] new printer : any thoughts ?

2013-12-10 Thread Daniel Frey
On 12/10/2013 06:01 PM, Philip Webb wrote:
 My ancient printer's ink cartridge has finally dried up
  the mobo in my regular computer accepts only USB.
 I don't do much printing, but occasionally need a few pages.
 
 The local store has an HP Deskjet 2510 on sale this week.
 
 Does anyone have thoughts or suggestions ?
 

I got tired of dried out cartridges years ago, and bought a Dell colour
laser. It was humongous, I got rid of it last year. Then about two
months later I went to print something and went Oh, yeah...

I found a HP colour laserjet on sale for $145 (it was actually cheaper
than the entry level HP BW lasers at the time) and hooked it up using
hplip. That's probably a lot more than an inkjet, but if it costs you
$50 a page due to dried ink, a couple of times pays for a laser.

http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/laserjet/hp_laserjet_cp1025.html

At least I don't have to worry about cartridges drying up, and this
printer is a LOT smaller than the one I had.

As a bonus, I found out KitKat can print to this printer using the
included HP drivers, if that's an issue for you. Was weird printing a
recipe from my phone!

Dan