Re: [gentoo-user] what's new with all those new packages?
On Mon, 2005-07-11 at 09:40 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: On 7/11/05, Myk Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think if you're using Gentoo, there is an assumption that if it's new (and acceptably stable), I want it. Maybe I'm different but I disagree. Even if it's new, and in an acceptly stable state, I often don't want it. Many times it seems that we go through an r1/r2/r3/r4/r5 seies of updates. A number of times that I've looked at change logs it turns out that 3 or 4 of these changes are to fix things on other architecture while for me they are just compile jobs.\ Well, there's always glsa-check -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] what's new with all those new packages?
On 11/07/05, Myk Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-Hash: SHA1I think if you're using Gentoo, there is an assumption that if it's new(and acceptably stable), I want it. That's hardly in line with Gentoos choice policy. Gentoo isn't about imposing someone elses preferences on everyone. Regards,Martin S
Re: [gentoo-user] what's new with all those new packages?
On Tuesday 12 July 2005 19:35, Martin S wrote: On 11/07/05, Myk Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think if you're using Gentoo, there is an assumption that if it's new (and acceptably stable), I want it. That's hardly in line with Gentoos choice policy. Gentoo isn't about imposing someone elses preferences on everyone. You're not forced to upgrade. You're not even forced to sync with the rsync servers. If you're happy with your machine the way it is, don't upgrade. Simple. Regards, Jason Stubbs pgp4nhBX1Gxq0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] what's new with all those new packages?
050711 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: portage reminds me of updating packages frequently, i have to decide what to update, and if it's worth downloading? is there a easy way to see what's new of those packages to be updated? the ChangeLog within /usr/portage/xxx-xxx/ make no sense to me. 'emerge esearch', then use 'esync', which updates your package list finally lists all updated packages with colors to show those installed. I use it every week with an extra check via 'update -Dup world', which helps in deciding the order in which to emerge packages. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] what's new with all those new packages?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think if you're using Gentoo, there is an assumption that if it's new (and acceptably stable), I want it. I agree that a comprehensive list of fixed bugs and new features would be nice for each updated package, but I imagine that it would be unwelcome extra work for the port maintainers. Especially handy would be if I were updating from version x to version y of a particular package and emerge would tell me the functional delta between those two versions. If there's a package I'm particularly interested in (or dubious about), I'll venture over to its homepage to check out the changelist when it gets updated, but I usually defer to the wisdom of the portage and package maintainers. - --myk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: portage reminds me of updating packages frequently, i have to decide what to update, and if it's worth downloading? is there a easy way to see what's new of those packages to be updated? the ChangeLog within /usr/portage/xxx-xxx/ make no sense to me. thanks. regards daniel.. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFC0pxMBOPsJyAQkeARAsvEAJ9RWQ9LBWOdXJpBsesgfJP2wOBtBgCbBU0m 7LtGA+VdldKj/sxxrjlMtzg= =NhMW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] what's new with all those new packages?
On 7/11/05, Myk Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think if you're using Gentoo, there is an assumption that if it's new (and acceptably stable), I want it. Maybe I'm different but I disagree. Even if it's new, and in an acceptly stable state, I often don't want it. Many times it seems that we go through an r1/r2/r3/r4/r5 seies of updates. A number of times that I've looked at change logs it turns out that 3 or 4 of these changes are to fix things on other architecture while for me they are just compile jobs. I hope for the day when it's more clear that an incremental upgrade is somethign that provides me value. Cheers, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] what's new with all those new packages?
emerge --pretend --changelog will display the change log(s). I usually do emerge -uDNv world -pl then if I like it, just delete the -pl to do the merge. Have fun, Roy Myk Taylor wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think if you're using Gentoo, there is an assumption that if it's new (and acceptably stable), I want it. I agree that a comprehensive list of fixed bugs and new features would be nice for each updated package, but I imagine that it would be unwelcome extra work for the port maintainers. Especially handy would be if I were updating from version x to version y of a particular package and emerge would tell me the functional delta between those two versions. If there's a package I'm particularly interested in (or dubious about), I'll venture over to its homepage to check out the changelist when it gets updated, but I usually defer to the wisdom of the portage and package maintainers. - --myk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: portage reminds me of updating packages frequently, i have to decide what to update, and if it's worth downloading? is there a easy way to see what's new of those packages to be updated? the ChangeLog within /usr/portage/xxx-xxx/ make no sense to me. thanks. regards daniel.. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFC0pxMBOPsJyAQkeARAsvEAJ9RWQ9LBWOdXJpBsesgfJP2wOBtBgCbBU0m 7LtGA+VdldKj/sxxrjlMtzg= =NhMW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] what's new with all those new packages?
A number of times that I've looked at change logs it turns out that 3 or 4 of these changes are to fix things on other architecture while for me they are just compile jobs. Maybe I'm too cynical or maybe it's from experience but in either case I can tell you as a developer the change log often reflects what I remember I changed since the last release and is never intended to encompass every change I made to the source. From that perspective the change log provides some helpful ideas about what changes were implemented but never represents the complete change list. Making the assumption that it does means that you could end up missing a critical gentoo security/stability fix. Besides, if you schedule your compile times for off hours then you really don't lose anything with the additional compile jobs. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] what's new with all those new packages?
Roy Wright schreef: emerge --pretend --changelog will display the change log(s). I usually do emerge -uDNv world -pl then if I like it, just delete the -pl to do the merge. Have fun, Roy Well that's all very well and good, but a great deal of the time the changelog only says something like 'version bump'-- because it's a *Gentoo* ChangeLog, not the *application* changelog. Which, if you're interested enough to want to know the contents of, you should go to the application's homepage (linked from the ebuild, or packages.gentoo.org), where it is usually published. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
