Re: [gmx-users] Re:problem with simulation of freezing of water

2012-11-11 Thread Justin Lemkul



On 11/11/12 11:22 AM, Ali Alizadeh wrote:

Dear Justin

Thank you for reply,

I want to simulation of water freezing, my condition:

pressure=300 bar and T=240 k , number 1656, run time= 100ns,

I can not see regular structure of ice by MD simulation or by gromacs?

In your opinion, if i want this structure of ice for my simulation,
What can i do?



Start by searching the literature for a suitable protocol.  Ice simulations have 
been done before.  As I said before, each water model has a different melting 
point, and hardly any of them correspond to the actual experimental value.  See 
if you can produce a suitable simulation with a pressure of 1 bar (proof of 
concept) and then change conditions.


What you have to keep in mind is that most water models were designed to work at 
ambient conditions for normal simulations.  They do not necessarily work under 
extremes or produce useful results under those conditions.


-Justin

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Re: [gmx-users] Re:problem with simulation of freezing of water

2012-11-11 Thread David van der Spoel

On 2012-11-11 17:26, Justin Lemkul wrote:



On 11/11/12 11:22 AM, Ali Alizadeh wrote:

Dear Justin

Thank you for reply,

I want to simulation of water freezing, my condition:

pressure=300 bar and T=240 k , number 1656, run time= 100ns,

I can not see regular structure of ice by MD simulation or by gromacs?

In your opinion, if i want this structure of ice for my simulation,
What can i do?



Start by searching the literature for a suitable protocol.  Ice
simulations have been done before.  As I said before, each water model
has a different melting point, and hardly any of them correspond to the
actual experimental value.  See if you can produce a suitable simulation
with a pressure of 1 bar (proof of concept) and then change conditions.

What you have to keep in mind is that most water models were designed to
work at ambient conditions for normal simulations.  They do not
necessarily work under extremes or produce useful results under those
conditions.

-Justin


Try TIP4P/Ice


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[gmx-users] Re:problem with simulation of freezing of water

2012-11-11 Thread ran friedman
Hi,

Also note that it is difficult to simulate the right structure of ice (Ih).
You didn't write what you want to study, but search the literature
carefully. You may need to use an ab-initio model.

Ran

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On 11/11/12 11:22 AM, Ali Alizadeh wrote:
 Dear Justin

 Thank you for reply,

 I want to simulation of water freezing, my condition:

 pressure=300 bar and T=240 k , number 1656, run time= 100ns,

 I can not see regular structure of ice by MD simulation or by gromacs?

 In your opinion, if i want this structure of ice for my simulation,
 What can i do?


Start by searching the literature for a suitable protocol.  Ice simulations
have
been done before.  As I said before, each water model has a different
melting
point, and hardly any of them correspond to the actual experimental value.
 See
if you can produce a suitable simulation with a pressure of 1 bar (proof of
concept) and then change conditions.

What you have to keep in mind is that most water models were designed to
work at
ambient conditions for normal simulations.  They do not necessarily work
under
extremes or produce useful results under those conditions.

-Justin

--


Justin A. Lemkul, Ph.D.
Research Scientist
Department of Biochemistry
Virginia Tech
Blacksburg, VA
jalemkul[at]vt.edu | (540) 231-9080
http://www.bevanlab.biochem.vt.edu/Pages/Personal/justin




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