Re: GPG and different mailers

2002-02-21 Thread Michael O'Donnell



I sincerely believe that PGP-signed email messages have a
legitimate use.  No, I'm serious!  I really do.  I will
probably someday send or receive a message about which
(with a straight face) I can say, Yep!!  that there
was one IMPORTANT message - I sure am glad I had some
serious encryption befitting its significance.  And I'll
probably transmit it as a MIME-encoded, TNEF-garbled,
RichText-enhanced thing of beauty with a redundant HTML
version attached, too, just to celebrate the occasion.
And I'll ROT13 the headers - yeah!  that's the ticket!


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Nice Prose!

2002-02-21 Thread Paul Courchene

Nice prose!

paulc


Recently Michael O'Donnell wrote:

I sincerely believe that PGP-signed email messages have a
legitimate use.  No, I'm serious!  I really do.  I will
probably someday send or receive a message about which
(with a straight face) I can say, Yep!!  that there
was one IMPORTANT message - I sure am glad I had some
serious encryption befitting its significance.  And I'll
probably transmit it as a MIME-encoded, TNEF-garbled,
RichText-enhanced thing of beauty with a redundant HTML
version attached, too, just to celebrate the occasion.
And I'll ROT13 the headers - yeah!  that's the ticket!



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Re: KDE/GNOME Customization?

2002-02-21 Thread Paul Lussier


In a message dated: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 00:40:31 EST
Tom Buskey said:

I use Sawfish daily on 4 different systems, and I haven't written a
lick of lisp.  :)


I've been using sawfish on Solaris 7, Solaris 8, and Mandrake for over 
a year.  I didn't know there was a .sawfishrc.  I've been able to 
customize everything through the control center just fine.

Okay, then can you explain where I'm supposed to edit the root menu 
contents?  I want to map mouse buttons 1-3 to diffent menus, the 
contents of which are defined by me.  The menu editor doesn't seem to 
allow for any other menu customization than the Foot menu (and for 
some stupid reason I need to be root to do that!).
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Re: GPG and different mailers

2002-02-21 Thread Paul Lussier


In a message dated: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:09:47 EST
Michael O'Donnell said:

I sincerely believe that PGP-signed email messages have a
legitimate use.  No, I'm serious!  I really do.  I will
probably someday send or receive a message about which
(with a straight face) I can say, Yep!!  that there
was one IMPORTANT message - I sure am glad I had some
serious encryption befitting its significance.  And I'll
probably transmit it as a MIME-encoded, TNEF-garbled,
RichText-enhanced thing of beauty with a redundant HTML
version attached, too, just to celebrate the occasion.
And I'll ROT13 the headers - yeah!  that's the ticket!

To all on this list, please note that the above was NOT in fact 
composed or sent by Michael O'Donnell.  Some imposter has hijacked 
his e-mail address and spoofed the headers.  Had this *really* come 
from 'mod', we'd have a GPG signature to authenticate this message 
with.

Please disregard all mail sent from this imposter in the future, as 
real 'mod' postings will be easily identifiable and authenticated.

/sarcasm :)
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Re: Network diagram information

2002-02-21 Thread Andrew cr



I have been trying to install linux on my pent 100 for days...i have 
many machines and this machine is giving me the following message for any 
linux dist i have tried whether redhat , slackware , debian , etc

crc error

  --system halt

when the kernel boots up vmlinuz is when i get this message
can someone explain what crc is ?? i have no clue and need to know whether 
its hardware issue like bios or what

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Re: Network diagram information

2002-02-21 Thread Rich Payne



cyclic redundency check (I think). Are you trying to load from CD-ROM or 
floppy? Either the hardware you are loading from is bad, the media is bad 
(unlikely since it seems you've tried many) or you've got a memory 
problem in the system. Could be bad memory, bad cache etcit's probably 
worth reseating the memory and/or pulling out a DIMM/SIMM etc...

--rdp

On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Andrew cr wrote:

 
 
 I have been trying to install linux on my pent 100 for days...i have 
 many machines and this machine is giving me the following message for any 
 linux dist i have tried whether redhat , slackware , debian , etc
 
 crc error
 
   --system halt
 
 when the kernel boots up vmlinuz is when i get this message
 can someone explain what crc is ?? i have no clue and need to know whether 
 its hardware issue like bios or what
 
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CRC error

2002-02-21 Thread Ken D'Ambrosio

CRC = Cyclical Redundancy Check.  It's an algorithm to verify whether or
not data has been corrupted... and it's implying that something is,
indeed, corrupting data.  Since it's happening across distributions, I
would probably start to suspect your RAM.  Try swapping it out/around
and see what happens.

-Ken

On Wed, 2002-02-20 at 18:13, Andrew cr wrote:
 
 
 I have been trying to install linux on my pent 100 for days...i have 
 many machines and this machine is giving me the following message for any 
 linux dist i have tried whether redhat , slackware , debian , etc
 
 crc error
 
   --system halt
 
 when the kernel boots up vmlinuz is when i get this message
 can someone explain what crc is ?? i have no clue and need to know whether 
 its hardware issue like bios or what
 
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Re: KDE/GNOME Customization?

2002-02-21 Thread Robert Anderson


I use Sawfish daily on 4 different systems, and I haven't written a
lick of lisp.  :)


I've been using sawfish on Solaris 7, Solaris 8, and Mandrake for over 
a year.  I didn't know there was a .sawfishrc.  I've been able to 
customize everything through the control center just fine.

Okay, then can you explain where I'm supposed to edit the root menu 
contents?  I want to map mouse buttons 1-3 to diffent menus, the 
contents of which are defined by me.  The menu editor doesn't seem to 
allow for any other menu customization than the Foot menu (and for 
some stupid reason I need to be root to do that!).

When I first started using sawmill (the old name) I wanted a way to
run my own commands via keyboard shortcuts.  That was the only time I
needed to use their lisp like code.

I found some examples and made the following file which worked well
for awhile.  I no longer use it and do not know if it's currently
functional or correct, but it worked for me when I used it.

The main keyboard shortcut that I really wanted was Alt-ESC to run
my xask (ssh to a system after asking me that name, it also updates
the window  icon tittles).  I need this to functionality or I am
lost.  Since then I found that if I changed my xterm command (under
the SawFish Miscellaneous menu) to $HOME/bin/xask, I can then use
the Shortcuts menu's Xterm command choice to do what I was doing.  

The other shortcuts I didn't seem to need as much as this, so I just
removed them after time.  

Well that said, here is what I was using back then:


[rea@q ~]$ more rea.sawmillrc 
;; 4/20/00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] first added 
;; base on their stuff.
(require 'sawmill-defaults)
;; my new terminal
(bind-keys global-keymap
M-ESC '(system /net/home/rcc/rea/bin/xask ))
(bind-keys global-keymap
CM-ESC '(system /net/home/rcc/rea/bin/xask -telnet ))
(bind-keys global-keymap
M-E '(system /net/home/rcc/rea/bin/email ))
(bind-keys global-keymap
CM-C '(system /usr/bin/X11/xcalc ))
(bind-keys global-keymap
CM-S '(system /usr/bin/netscape http://www.clearstation.com ))
;;(bind-keys global-keymap
;;  M-W (popup-menu (beos-window-menu)) )
[rea@q ~]$ 


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Amanda Howto?

2002-02-21 Thread Brian Chabot

Hello,

I was wonderring if there was a quick and easy HOWTO for Amanda out
there

I've looked in linuxdoc.org and run basic searches.  The only one I
found was the Linux Backup HOWTO which didn't cover any advanced things
or ven really Amanda at all except to say it's out there and beyond the
scope of a simple HOWTO

...and I did find one HOWTO for Amanda in Spanish. Anyone know
enough technical Spanish to translate?  It's at:
http://www.samtek.es/howtos/amanda/amanda-howto.html

Anyone out there have a relatively simple set of instructions for
getting it up and running with minimal hassle?

For those interested, here's what I'm trying to do:
At work, we need backups made nightly, with weekly fulls.
Amanda to run on a PIII800/384 Mandrake8.1 to later be moved to an
Athlon1900+/1024/RH7.2.  Tape drive is an HP Surestore Autoloader (1/9)
with Ultrium tapes.  There is about half a TB that needs to be backed up
at the moment.


Brian... trying to make sense of Amanda's man pages...

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Re: Amanda Howto?

2002-02-21 Thread Brian Chabot

On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Paul Lussier wrote:

 I was wonderring if there was a quick and easy HOWTO for Amanda out
 there

 No, but she comes with extensice documentation in the docs/ subdir of
 the source.

Been there.  That's what I'm complaining about.  They are great if I
wanted to modify or troubleshoot, but I'm trying to install and
configure tyhe initial amanda.conf files etc.

  If you installed the RPMs from RH, I highly recommend
 you 'rpm -e' immediately and install from source.  RH not only places
 the amanda stuff in really bizarre locations, but they don't even
 configure the package properly.  Most problems I've seen on the
 amanda-user's mailing list over the past couple of years have been
 easily solved by installing from source over the RH rpms.

Yup.  Been perusing that thread on their archives.  I had initially
installed from source any way.  At the time I didn't even bother looking
for the RPM because it wasn't on the sourceforge download page.  If the
maintainers don't make the rpm, and it didn't get installed when I
installed the OS, I will generally install feom source any way.

 Anyone out there have a relatively simple set of instructions for
 getting it up and running with minimal hassle?

 No, other than following the docs/* files.  Amanda is an incredibly
 complex package, and as a result, it's not *easy* to do anything with
 it until you really know and understand how she works.

So I'm seeing.  But with all the good press it's gotten I figured
someone would write a decent install doc.  The one in the doc/*
directory blows.  It's misleading, incomplete, and plain wrong.

 I've been
 using Amanda for years, so I'm quite familiar with her quirks and
 idiosynchrosies (for a while my wife was referring to Amanda as the
 other woman because fighting with her cause me to get home so late
 so many times :)

LOL  I'm beginning to think a wife might be easier to handle.

 For those interested, here's what I'm trying to do:
 At work, we need backups made nightly, with weekly fulls.
 Amanda to run on a PIII800/384 Mandrake8.1 to later be moved to an
 Athlon1900+/1024/RH7.2.  Tape drive is an HP Surestore Autoloader (1/9)
 with Ultrium tapes.  There is about half a TB that needs to be backed up
 at the moment.

 First thing is this:  Amanda uses a dumpcycle during which you are
 guaranteed to get fulldumps done at least once per file system, but
 not all at once, nor on the same tape.  That's just the way amanda
 works.  Amanda is designed to load balance everything for you and
 take the hassle out of trying to figure out which level to do when.

That's part of what I like about it.  Most comercial packages, when they
work, are flakey and each one is a completely different animal.

 That being said, you can do what you want, you just need to be
 creative.  I've been doing this for quite some time.  What I did was
 create 2 configurations: 'fulldumps' and 'incrementals'.
[snip]

 I hope that helps.  Feel free to e-mail me privately if you get stuck!

G I think once I get a cycle (or two) going, I'll be Ok.  I just need
to get the initial configs working.  The examples were mostly useless,
and the Linuxconf plugin wasn't much better.

Looks like I'm going to have to wing it from the docs available.  Maybe
I can keep a log of what I did and write the beginnings of a mini-howto.

Thanks,

Brian

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Re: KDE/GNOME Customization?

2002-02-21 Thread Tom Buskey


You can customize the keys  mouse buttons in control center - sawfish 
- shortcuts.  I use middle mouse button on the title to raise/lower, 
F7 to iconify, etc.

I don't use the menus but I bet if you dig into it, there is a way to do 
it from shortcuts.  You can set it to pop the apps menu or the main 
menu (the foot).

Robert Anderson said:

I use Sawfish daily on 4 different systems, and I haven't written a
lick of lisp.  :)


I've been using sawfish on Solaris 7, Solaris 8, and Mandrake for over 
a year.  I didn't know there was a .sawfishrc.  I've been able to 
customize everything through the control center just fine.

Okay, then can you explain where I'm supposed to edit the root menu 
contents?  I want to map mouse buttons 1-3 to diffent menus, the 
contents of which are defined by me.  The menu editor doesn't seem to 
allow for any other menu customization than the Foot menu (and for 
some stupid reason I need to be root to do that!).

When I first started using sawmill (the old name) I wanted a way to
run my own commands via keyboard shortcuts.  That was the only time I
needed to use their lisp like code.

I found some examples and made the following file which worked well
for awhile.  I no longer use it and do not know if it's currently
functional or correct, but it worked for me when I used it.

The main keyboard shortcut that I really wanted was Alt-ESC to run
my xask (ssh to a system after asking me that name, it also updates
the window  icon tittles).  I need this to functionality or I am
lost.  Since then I found that if I changed my xterm command (under
the SawFish Miscellaneous menu) to $HOME/bin/xask, I can then use
the Shortcuts menu's Xterm command choice to do what I was doing.  

The other shortcuts I didn't seem to need as much as this, so I just
removed them after time.  

Well that said, here is what I was using back then:


[rea@q ~]$ more rea.sawmillrc 
;; 4/20/00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] first added 
;; base on their stuff.
(require 'sawmill-defaults)
;; my new terminal
(bind-keys global-keymap
M-ESC '(system /net/home/rcc/rea/bin/xask ))
(bind-keys global-keymap
CM-ESC '(system /net/home/rcc/rea/bin/xask -telnet ))
(bind-keys global-keymap
M-E '(system /net/home/rcc/rea/bin/email ))
(bind-keys global-keymap
CM-C '(system /usr/bin/X11/xcalc ))
(bind-keys global-keymap
CM-S '(system /usr/bin/netscape http://www.clearstation.com )
)
;;(bind-keys global-keymap
;;  M-W (popup-menu (beos-window-menu)) )
[rea@q ~]$ 


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Re: Amanda Howto?

2002-02-21 Thread Tom Buskey


I think Sysadmin magazine recently had an article on setting up amanda

Brian Chabot said:
Hello,

I was wonderring if there was a quick and easy HOWTO for Amanda out
there

I've looked in linuxdoc.org and run basic searches.  The only one I
found was the Linux Backup HOWTO which didn't cover any advanced things
or ven really Amanda at all except to say it's out there and beyond the
scope of a simple HOWTO

...and I did find one HOWTO for Amanda in Spanish. Anyone know
enough technical Spanish to translate?  It's at:
http://www.samtek.es/howtos/amanda/amanda-howto.html

Anyone out there have a relatively simple set of instructions for
getting it up and running with minimal hassle?

For those interested, here's what I'm trying to do:
At work, we need backups made nightly, with weekly fulls.
Amanda to run on a PIII800/384 Mandrake8.1 to later be moved to an
Athlon1900+/1024/RH7.2.  Tape drive is an HP Surestore Autoloader (1/9)
with Ultrium tapes.  There is about half a TB that needs to be backed up
at the moment.


Brian... trying to make sense of Amanda's man pages...

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Re: KDE/GNOME Customization?

2002-02-21 Thread Paul Lussier


In a message dated: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:44:59 EST
Tom Buskey said:

You can customize the keys  mouse buttons in control center - sawfish 
- shortcuts.  I use middle mouse button on the title to raise/lower, 
F7 to iconify, etc.

I don't use the menus but I bet if you dig into it, there is a way to do 
it from shortcuts.  You can set it to pop the apps menu or the main 
menu (the foot).

Yeah, I knew that.  I want completely customized menus though, and I 
can't figure out how to do that.  Maybe it's time to join the sawfish 
mailing list!
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Re: GPG and different mailers

2002-02-21 Thread Michael O'Donnell


 I sincerely believe that PGP-signed email messages have a
 legitimate use.  No, I'm serious!  I really do.  I will
 probably someday send or receive a message about which
 (with a straight face) I can say, Yep!!  that there
 was one IMPORTANT message - I sure am glad I had some
 serious encryption befitting its significance.  And I'll
 probably transmit it as a MIME-encoded, TNEF-garbled,
 RichText-enhanced thing of beauty with a redundant HTML
 version attached, too, just to celebrate the occasion.
 And I'll ROT13 the headers - yeah!  that's the ticket!

I changed my mind; I take back everything I just said.
GPG is useless and everyone who uses it are a bunch of 
kneebiting jerks who'll be the first against the wall
 when the $%@! hits the fan...


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Re: Amanda Howto?

2002-02-21 Thread Rich Payne


I for one, think this would be an excellent topic for a meeting. Amanda is 
one of the things that's been on my list to learn for quite a while now.

Now, seeing as you seem fairly well versed in it Paul.

--rdp

On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Paul Lussier wrote:

 
 In a message dated: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:03:32 EST
 Brian Chabot said:
 
 Hello,
 
 I was wonderring if there was a quick and easy HOWTO for Amanda out
 there
 
 No, but she comes with extensice documentation in the docs/ subdir of 
 the source.  If you installed the RPMs from RH, I highly recommend 
 you 'rpm -e' immediately and install from source.  RH not only places 
 the amanda stuff in really bizarre locations, but they don't even 
 configure the package properly.  Most problems I've seen on the 
 amanda-user's mailing list over the past couple of years have been 
 easily solved by installing from source over the RH rpms.
 
 Anyone out there have a relatively simple set of instructions for
 getting it up and running with minimal hassle?
 
 No, other than following the docs/* files.  Amanda is an incredibly 
 complex package, and as a result, it's not *easy* to do anything with 
 it until you really know and understand how she works.  I've been 
 using Amanda for years, so I'm quite familiar with her quirks and 
 idiosynchrosies (for a while my wife was referring to Amanda as the 
 other woman because fighting with her cause me to get home so late 
 so many times :)
 
 For those interested, here's what I'm trying to do:
 At work, we need backups made nightly, with weekly fulls.
 Amanda to run on a PIII800/384 Mandrake8.1 to later be moved to an
 Athlon1900+/1024/RH7.2.  Tape drive is an HP Surestore Autoloader (1/9)
 with Ultrium tapes.  There is about half a TB that needs to be backed up
 at the moment.
 
 First thing is this:  Amanda uses a dumpcycle during which you are 
 guaranteed to get fulldumps done at least once per file system, but 
 not all at once, nor on the same tape.  That's just the way amanda 
 works.  Amanda is designed to load balance everything for you and 
 take the hassle out of trying to figure out which level to do when.
 
 That being said, you can do what you want, you just need to be 
 creative.  I've been doing this for quite some time.  What I did was 
 create 2 configurations: 'fulldumps' and 'incrementals'.
 
 Both run from cron, 'fulldumps' on Sun nights at 23:55, and 
 'incrementals' Mon-Fri at 23:55.  The 'incrementals' dumpcycle is 17 
 days (basically 3 weeks plus a couple extra tapes).  The 'fulldumps' 
 dumpcycle is 1 week, but in the disklist file, I force a level 0 on 
 every run.
 
 I offsite the fulldumps, and keep the incrementals on site.  This 
 allows for quick recovery of a file lost to the  'oops factor' 
 without having to resort to getting the tapes from offsite.
 I'm also usually able to restore the file from the most recent backup 
 rather than being several days or a week off.
 
 I hope that helps.  Feel free to e-mail me privately if you get stuck!
 

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Re: Amanda Howto?

2002-02-21 Thread Paul Lussier


In a message dated: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:15:29 EST
Rich Payne said:

I for one, think this would be an excellent topic for a meeting. Amanda is 
one of the things that's been on my list to learn for quite a while now.

Now, seeing as you seem fairly well versed in it Paul.

Yeah, Rob Lembree's been after me for quite a while to do something 
like this.  I'll see what I can put together at some point and maybe 
we'll schedule that for April's meeting.
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Re: Amanda Howto?

2002-02-21 Thread rdp


That would be excellent. 

--rdp

On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Paul Lussier wrote:

 
 In a message dated: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:15:29 EST
 Rich Payne said:
 
 I for one, think this would be an excellent topic for a meeting. Amanda is 
 one of the things that's been on my list to learn for quite a while now.
 
 Now, seeing as you seem fairly well versed in it Paul.
 
 Yeah, Rob Lembree's been after me for quite a while to do something 
 like this.  I'll see what I can put together at some point and maybe 
 we'll schedule that for April's meeting.
 

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MELBA meeting next Wednesday, 27 Feb 2002, 19:00ish

2002-02-21 Thread Paul Lussier


Short version:

Where:  Martha's Exchange, 2nd floor
What:   Heckle Ben while he tries to get a wireless lan working
(with my help, and anyone else who wants to show up with a 
 laptop)
Why:This is suspected to be relatively interesting
and educational
Fall-back plan: Sit around and drink beer (and heckle Ben)
Dinner: 18:00ish, rsvp to 'plussier at mindspring dot com'

Long version:

I couldn't find anyone to speak, and I did my best with my completely 
impromptu exmh talk last month, so Ben and I decided it would be fun 
to try and get a laptop wireless LAN working in ad hoc mode.



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...we don't need to be perfect to be the best around,
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Re: MELBA meeting next Wednesday, 27 Feb 2002, 19:00ish

2002-02-21 Thread Jerry Feldman

Maybe I will. I just got a Compaq WL110 (orinoco). Been having a discussion on the 
discuss list. 
On 21 Feb 2002 at 15:23, Paul Lussier wrote:

 
 Short version:
 
   Where:  Martha's Exchange, 2nd floor
   What:   Heckle Ben while he tries to get a wireless lan working
   (with my help, and anyone else who wants to show up with a 
laptop)
   Why:This is suspected to be relatively interesting
   and educational
   Fall-back plan: Sit around and drink beer (and heckle Ben)
   Dinner: 18:00ish, rsvp to 'plussier at mindspring dot com'
 
 Long version:
 
 I couldn't find anyone to speak, and I did my best with my completely 
 impromptu exmh talk last month, so Ben and I decided it would be fun 
 to try and get a laptop wireless LAN working in ad hoc mode.
 
 
 
 -- 
 
 Seeya,
 Paul
 
 
 God Bless America!
 
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   and we never stop trying to be better. 
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backup DNS

2002-02-21 Thread Rich Payne


Anyone out there willing to be a backup DNS server for monadlug.org ?
I need to get away from the current one ASAP and thought I'd see if we had 
any volunteers before coming up with some $$.

thanks,
--rdp

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Re: MELBA meeting next Wednesday, 27 Feb 2002, 19:00ish

2002-02-21 Thread Jack Hodgson

At 3:23 PM -0500 2/21/02, Paul Lussier wrote:
Short version:

   Where:  Martha's Exchange, 2nd floor
   What:   Heckle Ben while he tries to get a wireless lan working

Although I'm located up here in the Seacoast Area, this meeting 
sounds intriguing. Can you be a bit more detailed on WHERE? Nashua? 
Address?

Thanks.

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Re: MELBA meeting next Wednesday, 27 Feb 2002, 19:00ish

2002-02-21 Thread Benjamin Scott

On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Jack Hodgson wrote:
 Although I'm located up here in the Seacoast Area, this meeting sounds
 intriguing.  Can you be a bit more detailed on WHERE? Nashua?  Address?

185 Main Street
Nashua, NH

http://www.gnhlug.org/marthas_directions.html

  Also, coming from due East (Salem, NH area), as I have to, I find it works
best if I follow these:

1. Take NH-111 West all the way into Nashua
  - Be warned that NH-111 makes two 90-degree right turns for this route,
which are quite easy to miss, so keep an eye on those signs.  One
is by I-93 in Windham, the other is in Hudson right after a Time
Square sign that looks like a clock.

2. Turn right when you reach Main Street.
  - Next to a Texaco station; you see City Hall across to the right

3. Take a left at the first lighted intersection.

4. The first entrance on the right is the parking lot behind Martha's.

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Re: MELBA meeting next Wednesday, 27 Feb 2002, 19:00ish

2002-02-21 Thread bryan

1a.  stay left when going over the bridge.


B..

On Thursday 21 February 2002 04:04 pm, you wrote:
 On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Jack Hodgson wrote:
  Although I'm located up here in the Seacoast Area, this meeting sounds
  intriguing.  Can you be a bit more detailed on WHERE? Nashua?  Address?

 185 Main Street
 Nashua, NH

 http://www.gnhlug.org/marthas_directions.html

   Also, coming from due East (Salem, NH area), as I have to, I find it
 works best if I follow these:

 1. Take NH-111 West all the way into Nashua
   - Be warned that NH-111 makes two 90-degree right turns for this route,
 which are quite easy to miss, so keep an eye on those signs.  One
 is by I-93 in Windham, the other is in Hudson right after a Time
 Square sign that looks like a clock.

 2. Turn right when you reach Main Street.
   - Next to a Texaco station; you see City Hall across to the right

 3. Take a left at the first lighted intersection.

 4. The first entrance on the right is the parking lot behind Martha's.

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Re: MELBA meeting next Wednesday, 27 Feb 2002, 19:00ish

2002-02-21 Thread Jerry Feldman

Martha's Exchange is a restaurant on Main St. in downtown Nashua. Very easy to get to 
from Rt. 
3. There is usually plenty of on-street parking, but the parking garage at the Bus 
station is less 
than a block away, and is very cheap. 
On 21 Feb 2002 at 15:41, Jack Hodgson wrote:

 At 3:23 PM -0500 2/21/02, Paul Lussier wrote:
 Short version:
 
  Where:  Martha's Exchange, 2nd floor
  What:   Heckle Ben while he tries to get a wireless lan working
 
 Although I'm located up here in the Seacoast Area, this meeting 
 sounds intriguing. Can you be a bit more detailed on WHERE? Nashua? 
 Address?
 
 Thanks.
 
 -- Jack Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
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Re: backup DNS

2002-02-21 Thread Kenneth E. Lussier

Hi Rich,

You might want to look into some free secondary DNS services like
www.granitecanyon.com. If not, I'll do what I can for you here from my
home network.

FYI,
Kenny

Rich Payne wrote:
 
 Anyone out there willing to be a backup DNS server for monadlug.org ?
 I need to get away from the current one ASAP and thought I'd see if we had
 any volunteers before coming up with some $$.
 
 thanks,
 --rdp
 
 --
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 http://talisman.mv.com
 
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Re: backup DNS

2002-02-21 Thread rdp


I've used mydyndns.org for a few other things as for backup services they 
want $20 for life (and they're NFP, volunteer run), but I figured for a 
LUG site there would be someone out there, and several people have stepped 
up.

thanks,
--rdp

On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote:

 Hi Rich,
 
 You might want to look into some free secondary DNS services like
 www.granitecanyon.com. If not, I'll do what I can for you here from my
 home network.
 
 FYI,
 Kenny
 
 Rich Payne wrote:
  
  Anyone out there willing to be a backup DNS server for monadlug.org ?
  I need to get away from the current one ASAP and thought I'd see if we had
  any volunteers before coming up with some $$.
  
  thanks,
  --rdp
  
  --
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  http://talisman.mv.com
  
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Re: GPG and different mailers

2002-02-21 Thread Michael O'Donnell



[EMAIL PROTECTED] forged:
I changed my mind; I take back everything I just said.
GPG is useless and everyone who uses it are a bunch of
kneebiting jerks who'll be the first against the wall
 when the $%@! hits the fan...


My point has never been that forgery is impossible,
so your forgery stunt illustrates...  what?  It's
like sucker-punching a coworker who is unconvinced
by any of your other attempts to persuade him that
the workplace is a dangerous environment.

  There!  You see??!  That PROVES it!

My point has always been simply that this channel has
a blessedly high S/N ratio that is worth preserving,
and pointlessly cluttered messages degrade it.

PGP is pointless here because this channel (and
GNHLUG in general) is a safe environment.  If it
ever got to the point where I had to wonder if a
given message here was forged, my response would
not be to inflict PGP clutter on everybody else.
I would simply interpret that as the death of the
GNHLUG and be sadly on my way.

In the meantime, though, since forgery is a total
non-issue on this channel, the PGP clutter is
no more appropriate here than any of the other
clutter (eg.  HTML, TNEF, RichText, etc, etc...)
so please allow me to beg y'all not to inflict
it on the rest of us.

  --Michael O'Donnell


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Web gateway (was: Interesting Newbie...)

2002-02-21 Thread Benjamin Scott

On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Bruce Dawson wrote:
 The web site was created so that people who are more comfortable with the
 web than with mailing lists can participate in the group - an attempt to
 open a channel to a wider audience for promoting Linux in New Hampshire.
 Your difficulty with the web site (and the mailing list discussion) is
 making me re-think this approach.

  I have been thinking about that too.  One thing that occurred to me is
that a web-based interface perhaps lacks something.  Subscribing to a
mailing list requires making the commitment to participate in the forum.  
You can post what you want -- but you also have to read the replies [1].  
With a web-based forum, it is easy and common to post a message and then
forget about it, or ignore the flames and wait for the next top-level
thread.

  I think gating the mailing list to the web for reading is a definite good
idea.  I suspect that, for myself, I would prefer the more traditional  
method of email being required to post.  But my opinions on this are still
largely unformed, and I certainly don't speak for anyone but myself, let
alone GNHLUG as a whole.

  What do others here think?


Footnotes

[1] Yes, I am aware it is trivial to circumvent these restrictions.  I am
talking about good intent here, not deliberate malice.

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GUI vs CLI (was: Interesting Newbie...)

2002-02-21 Thread Benjamin Scott

On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Bruce Dawson wrote:
 But to be honest with you, I believe the biggest problem ex-M$ users have
 with Linux is Linux's command line heritage.

  I disagree.  In my not-so-humble opinion, I think the whole GUI vs CLI
argument is a red herring.  Choice of user interface style has little to do
with the complexity of computer systems.  Whether you are using vi or
GEdit, you still have to know what you are doing to configure routing
properly.  Whether you are using REGEDIT or the MMC, you still have to know
what you are doing to configure NTDS properly.  The issue is the inherent
complexity of computer systems, not the user interface.

  I do know, without a doubt, what the biggest problem facing people looking
for an alternative to Microsoft products is, though.  Go into a Best Buy or
a Circuit City or a CompUSA.  Or go online and look at Dell and Compaq and
Gateway.  Or open up your mail order catalog, or go to a local computer
show.  Go anywhere, and try and find an IBM-compatible computer that
*DOESN'T* come pre-loaded with MS-Windows.

  That is the biggest problem right there: Microsoft has leveraged their
monopoly to the point where MS-Windows and computer are practically
synonymous for the mass-market.  To use the classic argument: How well
would Pepsi do if you had to buy a Coke with every meal?

 But, for the newbie, there's probably a better solution ...

  Newbies should not be trying to install an OS.  Installing and configuring
a full computer operating system is a pain in the ass, regardless of Linux,
Windows, or PC/GEOS.  Going from newbie MS user to installing Linux is a
hell of a big leap.  (This is not a Linux problem -- these newbies are
equally screwed when their Windows system needs CPR.)  If I have been riding
a bicycle my entire life, trying to learn how to drive by building a car
from parts is going to be painful.

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