Re: Looking for a decent calendar application
On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for a decent calendar application. However, I'm rather picky, as one of the requirements for said application is that it support command line capability to add events to the calendar. I've used webcal for awhile now... it's really quite nice. The newer versions support sql back ends, but the one I'm using only has the option of using the flat file (haven't upgraded yet). It works perfectly fine for my purposes, and, since it's just a normal flat file, making a command line tool should be cake. The file format's very simple. WebCal: http://bulldog.tzo.org/webcal/webcal.html All I want is a calendar which will allow me to add events, set the re-occuring meta-data, etc., and warn me of impending doom^H^H^H^H meetings. And I have to at least be able to *add* these events from the command line. It does all of this, including email you about upcoming events. I've never tried to integrate it with outlook/exchange, so I can't comment on that... Ben -- Great souls have wills; feeble ones have only wishes. * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Looking for a decent calendar application
In a message dated: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:08:16 EDT Ben Boulanger said: I've used webcal for awhile now... it's really quite nice. The newer versions support sql back ends, but the one I'm using only has the option of using the flat file (haven't upgraded yet). It works perfectly fine for my purposes, and, since it's just a normal flat file, making a command line tool should be cake. The file format's very simple. WebCal: http://bulldog.tzo.org/webcal/webcal.html Hmmm, I may have to take a look at that. Esp. since I'm already running apache on my laptop for other development stuff I'm doing. It does all of this, including email you about upcoming events. Hmmm, I don't know if I need anymore e-mail :) But that'll work :) I've never tried to integrate it with outlook/exchange, so I can't comment on that... I'm not trying to integrate it with Outlook/Exchange. I get my e-mail off of an Exchange server via fetchmail. As a result, I get a lot of meeting requests which are formatted to be slurped into an Outlook calendar automatically. Since I'm not using Outlook, this does me no good. However, I can use procmail to automatically update any other calendar of my choosing if that calendar easily allows me to. A simple file format is good, since if I have to write my own interface app, the easier the format, the simpler the app. Thanks! -- Seeya, Paul -- It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. Have you appreciated your SysAdmin today? http://www.sysadminday.com/ If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Looking for a decent calendar application
On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, at 11:01am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not want to use Evolution/Connector, because I like exmh much better. Not to deflect your intent, but couldn't you just use Evolution and Connector for calendaring, and fetchmail/exmh for email? This has the added bonus of letting you feed information back into Exchange. (I guarantee someone will eventually ask you to update your Free/Busy data.) -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, entity or | | organization. All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Looking for a decent calendar application
In a message dated: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:16:03 EDT mike ledoux said: I've used at+mail to mail alarms to my pager for this in the past: echo 'Mail -s fscking lunch meeting pager /dev/null' | at 12:00 Jul 31 For recurring meetings, use cron instead of at. Of course, it helps to have a pager or cellphone that is emailable for this. If you'd rather just have the alarm appear onscreen, you could use something like xmessage instead of Mail. Hmmm, another great idea. Thanks! I think I like this one a lot, since my VisorPhone does have e-mail capability. This allows me to use my Visor to remember events, but not intermangle my personal stuff with my work crap. Hm, I'm liking it more an more :) Thanks! -- Seeya, Paul -- It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. Have you appreciated your SysAdmin today? http://www.sysadminday.com/ If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Looking for a decent calendar application
In a message dated: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 11:29:32 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, at 11:01am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not want to use Evolution/Connector, because I like exmh much better. Not to deflect your intent, but couldn't you just use Evolution and Connector for calendaring, and fetchmail/exmh for email? This has the added bonus of letting you feed information back into Exchange. (I guarantee someone will eventually ask you to update your Free/Busy data.) Well, I don't think so. Meeting requests appear to be nothing more than specially formatted e-mails within Outlook that get automatically placed into your calendar. I can't really see how I could use fetchmail to grab only non-meeting related e-mail. You're right, I may well be asked to update my free/busy data. So far, though, I haven't had to, and it's been over 3 months :) Basically, I just need to know when the meetings are. I don't feel the need to respond with either a refusal or acceptance to the meeting. If I find that it's important, I'll show up, if not, I won't. If they care that much that I haven't responded yet, they'll either e-mail or ask me directly whether or not I plan to show up. If it's my manager, or his Director, I'll show up :) If not, it's a 50/50 chance depending upon how much /. and/or User Friendly I need to catch up on ;) -- Seeya, Paul -- It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. Have you appreciated your SysAdmin today? http://www.sysadminday.com/ If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Looking for a decent calendar application
Have you given any thought as to how you could propagate events entered into your private calendar back into your company's calendar? Or do you not find this feature to be important/necessary for your purposes? --kevin -- Kevin D. Clark / Cetacean Networks / Portsmouth, N.H. (USA) cetaceannetworks.com!kclark (GnuPG ID: B280F24E) alumni.unh.edu!kdc * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Looking for a decent calendar application
In a message dated: 29 Jul 2002 11:45:37 EDT Kevin D. Clark said: Have you given any thought as to how you could propagate events entered into your private calendar back into your company's calendar? Or do you not find this feature to be important/necessary for your purposes? As I stated earlier, I don't feel that feeding information back into the company calendar is important. In general, I feel I only need to know if a meeting is scheduled, I do not feel that it is necessary for me to respond to every meeting I'm asked to attend to let them know whether I'm going to show up or not. The problem is, at least in big companies, that people feel the need to schedule meetings far too often when a simple e-mail conversation would suffice. In general, people also seem to rely upon meetings to avoid having to make decisions on their own. If there's a meeting to discuss it, and a general concesus can be arrived at, if it turns out to be a bad decision, there's no one to blame, since it was mutually agreed upon by the attendees of the meeting. I don't have time for all the meetings I'm scheduled for, and it further wastes time responding to them all; especially since I'm not required for most of the meetings I'm scheduled for, I'm more of an afterthought (not that this should suprise anyone :) So, I only care about automating a reminder notification that there is a meeting scheduled. If I have something more important to do at the time, I'll skip the meeting. If not, maybe I'll show up. In case anyone hasn't figured this out yet, I really find the Exchange way of doing things quite annoying. Actually, to the point of being rude, presumptuous, and quite impersonal. But I won't pontificate on that here, at least not now ;) thoughts -- Seeya, Paul -- It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. Have you appreciated your SysAdmin today? http://www.sysadminday.com/ If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Looking for a decent calendar application
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As I stated earlier, I don't feel that feeding information back into the company calendar is important. If you are scheduled to take a day off next week, and one of your co-workers wants to schedule you for a meeting on this day, do you think that it's important for your co-worker to be able to discern from looking at the calendar that you won't be in on this day? The problem is, at least in big companies, that people feel the need to schedule meetings far too often when a simple e-mail conversation would suffice. In general, people also seem to rely upon meetings to avoid having to make decisions on their own. I tend to agree. (I think that other factors that contribute to this are that some people don't have the reading/writing skills or the attention span or the attention to detail to be able to discuss an issue via email and come to a problem resolution...or else they just want to drag out the process so they can play politics or stoke their egos or even get the meeting catered so they can try out some delicious Italian pastries...(note, none of these complaints refer to my current job)) In case anyone hasn't figured this out yet, I really find the Exchange way of doing things quite annoying. Actually, to the point of being rude, presumptuous, and quite impersonal. But I won't pontificate on that here, at least not now ;) thoughts OTOH, where I work, if I'm invited to a meeting, it's for a good reason, and I do have to say that having some notion of a shared calendar does seem to be worthwhile. --kevin -- Kevin D. Clark / Cetacean Networks / Portsmouth, N.H. (USA) cetaceannetworks.com!kclark (GnuPG ID: B280F24E) alumni.unh.edu!kdc * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Looking for a decent calendar application
In a message dated: 29 Jul 2002 12:44:36 EDT Kevin D. Clark said: As I stated earlier, I don't feel that feeding information back into the company calendar is important. If you are scheduled to take a day off next week, and one of your co-workers wants to schedule you for a meeting on this day, do you think that it's important for your co-worker to be able to discern from looking at the calendar that you won't be in on this day? Well, in general, I agree with the point you're trying to make. However, I have never really maintained a calendar of any sort, including here in my current position. Therefore, I have never before, nor do I now, schedule my days off, vacation, work-at-home days in any calendar. So my co-workers are not likely to be able to derive any sense of whether I'm free or not, since my calendar is currently completely empty all the time. I'm also usually never aware ahead of time whether I'm taking a day off. I tend to just work all the time, and then spontaneously take a day off when necessary at the last minute. Same thing with vacations. So, even if I were to feed information back in, I'd be wasting even more time cancelling meetings at the last minute because I had previously wasted time accepting the invitation :) But that's just me. I'm well aware that most other people are far better about time management than I am or ever will be (besides, that's why I got married, so I don't *have* to keep track of this stuff! My wife *is* my social calendar[1] :) In case anyone hasn't figured this out yet, I really find the Exchange way of doing things quite annoying. Actually, to the point of being rude, presumptuous, and quite impersonal. But I won't pontificate on that here, at least not now ;) thoughts OTOH, where I work, if I'm invited to a meeting, it's for a good reason, Wish I could say the same :) and I do have to say that having some notion of a shared calendar does seem to be worthwhile. I think the notion is a good one, I just wish the implementation were as good as the idea. It seems that's where the concept lacks, is in implementation :) -- Seeya, Paul -- It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Looking for a decent calendar application
Whatever happened to vCal servers? It seems like everyone is a client, but no servers have been written aside from Netscape's calendar server. -Mark On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 11:01:03AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I'm looking for a decent calendar application. However, I'm rather picky, as one of the requirements for said application is that it support command line capability to add events to the calendar. I don't really care about to-do lists, Palm Pilot sync'ing, etc. All I want is a calendar which will allow me to add events, set the re-occuring meta-data, etc., and warn me of impending doom^H^H^H^H meetings. And I have to at least be able to *add* these events from the command line. Why, you may ask, do I care about command-line capability? Because I currently live in an environment which is completely controlled by Microsoft Exchange. As a result, these people actually think that the ability to easily schedule meetings means we should have lots of them. I do not use Outlook, rather slurp my e-mail down via fetchmail. I do not want to use Evolution/Connector, because I like exmh much better. If I can find a calendar application which does what I want, I can easily have procmail update my calendar auto-magically. If I can't, it probably means I need to write my own app which will write out v-cal formate to something gnome-pim/gnomecal. So, anyone know of anything like what I'm looking for? Thanks! -- Seeya, Paul -- It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. Have you appreciated your SysAdmin today? http://www.sysadminday.com/ If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. * * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Looking for a decent calendar application
In a message dated: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:14:47 EDT Mark Komarinski said: Whatever happened to vCal servers? It seems like everyone is a client, but no servers have been written aside from Netscape's calendar server. I don't know. Actually, if I could find a decent command line utility which could read/write vCal format, I'd be quite happy, since gnomecal uses vCal format as well. At this point though, it seems that mwl's idea of using at/cron to do what I want is easiest/best, since all I really need to do is write a small shell/perl app which parses my incoming e-mail and sets the job. -- Seeya, Paul -- It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
