Reminder: Boston Linux Meeting tomorrow, Wednesday, June 16, 2010 Secure Data Deletion Under linux
When: June 16, 2010 7PM (6:30PM for QA) Topic: Secure Data Deletion Under linux Moderator: Federico Lucifredi. Location: MIT Building E51, Room 325 (note: room change) Using Linux to securely erase hard drives With $30 in new hardware, inventiveness and some Perl and Shell glue, we design and build from scratch a Linux based, secure disk-deletion rig exceeding the requirements of several industry standards for data wiping. For further information, maps and directions please consult the BLU Web site: http://www.blu.org Please note that there is usually plenty of free parking in the E-51 parking lot at 2 Amherst St. After the meeting we will adjourn to the official after meeting meeting location at The Cambridge Brewery. -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Recommendations...
Folks, I just picked up an Lenovo X61 laptop the other day for a very good price. This 3lb unit is a dual-core t7...@2.6ghz, 4GB Ram and 100GB disk. I want to run Linux as the core operating system, and use VMWare to load Windows for my Windows work. I was thinking of Ubuntu 10.04. My question is should I do 32 or 64 bit? If I go 32-bit I will not be able to use all the ram, and if I go 64-bit I may not have all the drivers. What are your thoughts/recommendations? Gerry ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Recommendations...
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:21:36 -0400, Gerry Hull ge...@telosity.com wrote: Folks, I just picked up an Lenovo X61 laptop the other day for a very good price. This 3lb unit is a dual-core t7...@2.6ghz, 4GB Ram and 100GB disk. I want to run Linux as the core operating system, and use VMWare to load Windows for my Windows work. I was thinking of Ubuntu 10.04. My question is should I do 32 or 64 bit? If I go 32-bit I will not be able to use all the ram, and if I go 64-bit I may not have all the drivers. What are your thoughts/recommendations? Go 64-bit all the way :-) I have never had a problem with 64-bit Linux drivers... And for a VM I recommend Oracle VirtualBox, I love it :-) -- Thanks, Joseph Smith Set-Top-Linux www.settoplinux.org ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Recommendations...
On 06/15/2010 01:21 PM, Gerry Hull wrote: Folks, I just picked up an Lenovo X61 laptop the other day for a very good price. This 3lb unit is a dual-core t7...@2.6ghz, 4GB Ram and 100GB disk. I want to run Linux as the core operating system, and use VMWare to load Windows for my Windows work. I was thinking of Ubuntu 10.04. My question is should I do 32 or 64 bit? If I go 32-bit I will not be able to use all the ram, and if I go 64-bit I may not have all the drivers. What are your thoughts/recommendations? Without a doubt, use 64-bit. Linux has supported 64-bit since 1994 when the DEC Alpha version was available. I have been using 64-bit on my Linux laptop (an aging HP NX6125) for 5 years. Additionally, you can use either Virtualbox or KVM for free. Windows runs fine under VMWare, Virtualbox, and KVM. One thing you want to check is if the X61 BIOS is able to enable Virtualization. The Intel T7300 does have virtualization support. Both VMWare and Virtualbox run fine without hardware virtualization support, but you can't run 64-bit guest OS without the hardware support. KVM requires hardware support, but you can run QEMU/KVM without it. My laptop is an older AMD Turion without virtualization support, but Virtualbox runs fine with 32-bit Windows XP and Fedora 12 guest OS's and Ubuntu 10.04 host OS. While I think very highly of VMWare, I have found Virtualbox to be very good on the desktop. At work we do use VMWare on our Windows XP laptops with RHEL 5.2 guests. All are Lenovo. So, the only issue is whether hardware virtualization can be enabled, and this must be enabled in the BIOS as it is nearly always disabled by default. The only driver issue I am aware of these days is the Adobe Flash 64-bit plugin for firefox. It can be downloaded directly from Adobe, but I'm not sure if Ubuntu has it in its non-free repos. Most, if not all 32-bit applications run fine under a 64-bit Linux. -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Recommendations...
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:21:36 -0400, Gerry Hull ge...@telosity.com wrote: Folks, I just picked up an Lenovo X61 laptop the other day for a very good price. This 3lb unit is a dual-core t7...@2.6ghz, 4GB Ram and 100GB disk. I want to run Linux as the core operating system, and use VMWare to load Windows for my Windows work. I was thinking of Ubuntu 10.04. My question is should I do 32 or 64 bit? If I go 32-bit I will not be able to use all the ram, and if I go 64-bit I may not have all the drivers. What are your thoughts/recommendations? Go 64-bit all the way :-) I have never had a problem with 64-bit Linux drivers... And for a VM I recommend Oracle VirtualBox, I love it :-) -- Thanks, Joseph Smith Set-Top-Linux www.settoplinux.org ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Recommendations...
I was thinking of Ubuntu 10.04. My question is should I do 32 or 64 bit? If I go 32-bit I will not be able to use all the ram, and if I go 64-bit I may not have all the drivers. These days I would not worry too much between not having the proper support for 64-bit Intel products over the 32-bit versions, as many people now have 64-bit notebooks and desktops, and the vast majority of the code you would need has been recompiled and tested for 64-bit. But since you can pull down both versions of Ubuntu (32-bit and 64-bit) for free and run them as a live-CD, you could test to see if the 64-bit version had all of the device drivers for the Lenovo X61 before installing it. You may also want to test various plug-ins for Firefox, etc. although most of the issues with those have also disappeared. And even if you did the testing, then found out later that the 64-bit drivers were not up to snuff, if you separated your /home directory from /, /boot, and swap you could easily switch back to Ubuntu 32-bit. Or you could install a dual-boot or VMware version of the 32-bit code for safety sake. As to not using all of your memory with a 32-bit OS, I think you have a misconception of how virtual vs real memory works. It is true that a 32-bit machine can only access 4GB, and sometimes even less than that (depending on how the application address space is organized) in one *virtual* address space, but this does not necessarily stop the kernel from using all of RAM. It is just that various parts of multiple virtual address spaces get mapped into the physical memory of the machine. It was this concept that allowed the old PDP-11s, which had only a 64K memory address space (128K with separate instruction and data address spaces) utilize all of the physical memory on machines that had multiple megabytes of RAM. So even a 32-bit OS could fully utilize the real memory of a 64-bit CPU machine having multiple gigabytes of RAM if its memory management software allowsit is just that the applications are limited to a 32-bit space at one time. md ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Recommendations...
I was thinking of Ubuntu 10.04. My question is should I do 32 or 64 bit? If I go 32-bit I will not be able to use all the ram, and if I go 64-bit I may not have all the drivers. As to not using all of your memory with a 32-bit OS, I think you have a misconception of how virtual vs real memory works. It is true that a 32-bit machine can only access 4GB, and sometimes even less than that (depending on how the application address space is organized) in one *virtual* address space, but this does not necessarily stop the kernel from using all of RAM. It is just that various parts of multiple virtual address spaces get mapped into the physical memory of the machine. It was this concept that allowed the old PDP-11s, which had only a 64K memory address space (128K with separate instruction and data address spaces) utilize all of the physical memory on machines that had multiple megabytes of RAM. So even a 32-bit OS could fully utilize the real memory of a 64-bit CPU machine having multiple gigabytes of RAM if its memory management software allowsit is just that the applications are limited to a 32-bit space at one time. md And doesn't the pae kernel address these issues? I'd grab that, whatever you're using. Susan ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
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On 06/15/2010 01:48 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: It is true that a 32-bit machine can only access 4GB, and sometimes even less than that (depending on how the application address space is organized) in one *virtual* address space, but this does not necessarily stop the kernel from using all of RAM. It is just that various parts of multiple virtual address spaces get mapped into the physical memory of the machine. It was this concept that allowed the old PDP-11s, which had only a 64K memory address space (128K with separate instruction and data address spaces) utilize all of the physical memory on machines that had multiple megabytes of RAM. So even a 32-bit OS could fully utilize the real memory of a 64-bit CPU machine having multiple gigabytes of RAM if its memory management software allowsit is just that the applications are limited to a 32-bit space at one time. The Linux 32-bit kernel supports PAE (the extension that allows access to more than 3GB RAM). The other issue with 32-bit is with 32-but applications as they are also limited in virtual space. One of the things I tested a few years ago was performance. Some applications and benchmarks ran faster in 32-bit mode than in 64-bit mode, but some will run faster in 64-bit mode. My testing was on both 32-bit and 64-bit Linux on X86/X86_64 as well as Linux on IA64. The X86_64 benchmarks beat the IA64 in many cases. Some technical advantages of a 64-bit kernel is that the X86_64 chips use linear addressing in 64-bit mode where 32-bit is segmented. There are some other chip related advantages that make a 64-bit Linux OS perform better than the same OS in 32-bit mode. Graphics performance is also better in 64-bit mode. -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Recommendations...
And doesn't the pae kernel address these issues? Yes, and a lot of the distributions use the PAE features of the kernel as a default. Of course I would still recommend going with the 64-bit version of the OS, as others have mentioned. md ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
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On 06/15/2010 01:58 PM, Susan Cragin wrote: And doesn't the pae kernel address these issues? I'd grab that, whatever you're using. Yes, as I mentioned when our emails crossed. The Linux 32-bit kernel supports PAE by default. One comment on Ubuntu Live CDs is that while they are excellent vehicles to run some tests, they lack some features that just won't fit onto the CD. So, just because something does not work properly from a LiveCD, it does not necessarily mean that the installed version won't work which is one reason I like the Knoppix Live DVD as there are fewer tradeoffs. -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
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The X86_64 benchmarks beat the IA64 in many cases. They did not call the IA64 architecture the Itanic for nothing. To be fair, a lot of the libraries for X86_64 have probably had a lot more eyes go over them and more optimizations done than for the IA64, particularly for Linux. On the other hand, I just do not agree with Ultra-Wide Instruction Sets, and they do not agree with me. Graphics performance is also better in 64-bit mode. May have other reasons than just larger virtual address utilization, but noted. md ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Recommendations...
Gerry Hull ge...@telosity.com writes: I just picked up an Lenovo X61 laptop the other day for a very good price. This 3lb unit is a dual-core t7...@2.6ghz, 4GB Ram and 100GB disk. I want to run Linux as the core operating system, and use VMWare to load Windows for my Windows work. I was thinking of Ubuntu 10.04. My question is should I do 32 or 64 bit? If I go 32-bit I will not be able to use all the ram, and if I go 64-bit I may not have all the drivers. What are your thoughts/recommendations? My wife has an X61, and the amd64 release of Debian 5.0 (Lenny) works perfectly on it. If Ubuntu 10.04 works for you in general, I don't see why it should be inherently more problematic to use the 64-bit version. One of our initial favourite things about going 64-bit was that, before there was a 64-bit build of the Flash plugin available, the 32-bit plugin would run `in' the 64-bit web-browser via nspluginwrapper, which meant that Flash would actually be in a separate process--which meant that when Flash crashed, it wouldn't take the browser down with it. Unfortunately, there's now a native 64-bit Flash plugin and more recent versions of the `flashplugin-nonfree' package use that instead of using nspluginwrapper; so Flash is back to taking the browser down with it, which means that there's one less advantage to running in 64-bit mode. It'd still go with it, though. -- Don't be afraid to ask (λf.((λx.xx) (λr.f(rr. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Recommendations...
This is why I LOVE this list -- lots of great feedback. I'll go w/64-bit (trying it w/the live-CD first), and probably Virtualbox. BTW, I bought the X61 for $250, in mint condition, from Craigslist. Pretty good deal for a decent dual-core box. Thanks! Gerry On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org wrote: On 06/15/2010 01:48 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: It is true that a 32-bit machine can only access 4GB, and sometimes even less than that (depending on how the application address space is organized) in one *virtual* address space, but this does not necessarily stop the kernel from using all of RAM. It is just that various parts of multiple virtual address spaces get mapped into the physical memory of the machine. It was this concept that allowed the old PDP-11s, which had only a 64K memory address space (128K with separate instruction and data address spaces) utilize all of the physical memory on machines that had multiple megabytes of RAM. So even a 32-bit OS could fully utilize the real memory of a 64-bit CPU machine having multiple gigabytes of RAM if its memory management software allowsit is just that the applications are limited to a 32-bit space at one time. The Linux 32-bit kernel supports PAE (the extension that allows access to more than 3GB RAM). The other issue with 32-bit is with 32-but applications as they are also limited in virtual space. One of the things I tested a few years ago was performance. Some applications and benchmarks ran faster in 32-bit mode than in 64-bit mode, but some will run faster in 64-bit mode. My testing was on both 32-bit and 64-bit Linux on X86/X86_64 as well as Linux on IA64. The X86_64 benchmarks beat the IA64 in many cases. Some technical advantages of a 64-bit kernel is that the X86_64 chips use linear addressing in 64-bit mode where 32-bit is segmented. There are some other chip related advantages that make a 64-bit Linux OS perform better than the same OS in 32-bit mode. Graphics performance is also better in 64-bit mode. -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Recommendations...
Gerry Hull ge...@telosity.com writes: This is why I LOVE this list -- lots of great feedback. I'll go w/64-bit (trying it w/the live-CD first), and probably Virtualbox. BTW, I bought the X61 for $250, in mint condition, from Craigslist. Pretty good deal for a decent dual-core box. Oh, also: if you *do* run into any issues, take a look at ThinkWiki, the Linux/Thinkpad wiki: http://www.thinkwiki.org/ -- Don't be afraid to ask (λf.((λx.xx) (λr.f(rr. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Recommendations...
On 06/15/2010 02:22 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: The X86_64 benchmarks beat the IA64 in many cases. They did not call the IA64 architecture the Itanic for nothing. To be fair, a lot of the libraries for X86_64 have probably had a lot more eyes go over them and more optimizations done than for the IA64, particularly for Linux. On the other hand, I just do not agree with Ultra-Wide Instruction Sets, and they do not agree with me. Graphics performance is also better in 64-bit mode. May have other reasons than just larger virtual address utilization, but noted. I personally prefer the PDP-8 approach :-) But, I agree, the IA64 was really targeted to very large multi-CPU servers. It may one day be successful when they start issuing 100+ core CPU chips. -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Recommendations...
I am curious to see if the BIOS supports virtualization. On 06/15/2010 02:29 PM, Gerry Hull wrote: This is why I LOVE this list -- lots of great feedback. I'll go w/64-bit (trying it w/the live-CD first), and probably Virtualbox. BTW, I bought the X61 for $250, in mint condition, from Craigslist. Pretty good deal for a decent dual-core box. Thanks! Gerry On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org mailto:g...@blu.org wrote: On 06/15/2010 01:48 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: It is true that a 32-bit machine can only access 4GB, and sometimes even less than that (depending on how the application address space is organized) in one *virtual* address space, but this does not necessarily stop the kernel from using all of RAM. It is just that various parts of multiple virtual address spaces get mapped into the physical memory of the machine. It was this concept that allowed the old PDP-11s, which had only a 64K memory address space (128K with separate instruction and data address spaces) utilize all of the physical memory on machines that had multiple megabytes of RAM. So even a 32-bit OS could fully utilize the real memory of a 64-bit CPU machine having multiple gigabytes of RAM if its memory management software allowsit is just that the applications are limited to a 32-bit space at one time. The Linux 32-bit kernel supports PAE (the extension that allows access to more than 3GB RAM). The other issue with 32-bit is with 32-but applications as they are also limited in virtual space. One of the things I tested a few years ago was performance. Some applications and benchmarks ran faster in 32-bit mode than in 64-bit mode, but some will run faster in 64-bit mode. My testing was on both 32-bit and 64-bit Linux on X86/X86_64 as well as Linux on IA64. The X86_64 benchmarks beat the IA64 in many cases. Some technical advantages of a 64-bit kernel is that the X86_64 chips use linear addressing in 64-bit mode where 32-bit is segmented. There are some other chip related advantages that make a 64-bit Linux OS perform better than the same OS in 32-bit mode. Graphics performance is also better in 64-bit mode. -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org mailto:g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org mailto:gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ -- Jerry Feldman g...@blu.org Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Recommendations...
I personally prefer the PDP-8 approach :-) Ouch. That was a bit too RISC-y, even for me. Still it was a great machine for the time. md ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
sourceforge what is going there?
I just spent the last 20 minutes trying to get an account on sourceforge, so I could request a help ticket on a project. I had to login using IE! because only IE would allow the broken registration page to display. Firefox on both Linux and win32 would not display the page at all. :( In both the Registration Page, and the login page Firefox seems to block or is waiting for sb.scorecardresearch.com. Is this normal for SF? Should I change something in FF? I really want to connect to SF through my linux box, because, that's where all the useful work gets done :) Any suggestions? I'm running Ubuntu Lucid (gnome). Regards, Bruce Bruce Labitt Radar Systems Engineer Autoliv Active Safety 1011B Pawtucket Blvd, PO Box 1858 Lowell, MA 01853 Email: bruce.lab...@autoliv.com. Tel: (978) 674-6526 Fax: (978) 674-6581 ** Neither the footer nor anything else in this E-mail is intended to or constitutes an brelectronic signature and/or legally binding agreement in the absence of an brexpress statement or Autoliv policy and/or procedure to the contrary.brThis E-mail and any attachments hereto are Autoliv property and may contain legally brprivileged, confidential and/or proprietary information.brThe recipient of this E-mail is prohibited from distributing, copying, forwarding or in any way brdisseminating any material contained within this E-mail without prior written brpermission from the author. If you receive this E-mail in error, please brimmediately notify the author and delete this E-mail. Autoliv disclaims all brresponsibility and liability for the consequences of any person who fails to brabide by the terms herein. br ** ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: sourceforge what is going there?
Sourceforge is not our friend. Best avoid it. Very few serious projects are hosted on it anymore. On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 3:12 PM, bruce.lab...@autoliv.com wrote: I just spent the last 20 minutes trying to get an account on sourceforge, so I could request a help ticket on a project. I had to login using IE! because only IE would allow the broken registration page to display. Firefox on both Linux and win32 would not display the page at all. :( In both the Registration Page, and the login page Firefox seems to block or is waiting for sb.scorecardresearch.com. Is this normal for SF? Should I change something in FF? I really want to connect to SF through my linux box, because, that's where all the useful work gets done :) Any suggestions? I'm running Ubuntu Lucid (gnome). Regards, Bruce Bruce Labitt Radar Systems Engineer Autoliv Active Safety 1011B Pawtucket Blvd, PO Box 1858 Lowell, MA 01853 Email: bruce.lab...@autoliv.com. Tel: (978) 674-6526 Fax: (978) 674-6581 ** Neither the footer nor anything else in this E-mail is intended to or constitutes an brelectronic signature and/or legally binding agreement in the absence of an brexpress statement or Autoliv policy and/or procedure to the contrary.brThis E-mail and any attachments hereto are Autoliv property and may contain legally brprivileged, confidential and/or proprietary information.brThe recipient of this E-mail is prohibited from distributing, copying, forwarding or in any way brdisseminating any material contained within this E-mail without prior written brpermission from the author. If you receive this E-mail in error, please brimmediately notify the author and delete this E-mail. Autoliv disclaims all brresponsibility and liability for the consequences of any person who fails to brabide by the terms herein. br ** ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: sourceforge what is going there?
Arc Riley arcri...@gmail.com wrote on 06/15/2010 03:20:49 PM: Sourceforge is not our friend. Best avoid it. Very few serious projects are hosted on it anymore. On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 3:12 PM, bruce.lab...@autoliv.com wrote: I just spent the last 20 minutes trying to get an account on sourceforge, so I could request a help ticket on a project. I had to login using IE! because only IE would allow the broken registration page to display. Firefox on both Linux and win32 would not display the page at all. :( In both the Registration Page, and the login page Firefox seems to block or is waiting for sb.scorecardresearch.com. Is this normal for SF? Should I change something in FF? I really want to connect to SF through my linux box, because, that's where all the useful work gets done :) Any suggestions? I'm running Ubuntu Lucid (gnome). Regards, Bruce I can see why. (At least from a website design point of view.) Unfortunately, Automatically Tuned Linear Algebra Software is still there, and I need it. So, am I doomed to IE and this infernal W32 machine??? If that isn't a desperate cry for help, what is! Are there any settings on FF I could change to block/allow stuff through without being singled out as an IT risk? Besides website design, why is sourceforge no longer a friend? No polemics required, however, an insightful list of why would be instructive to me. If there is a URL to refer to, that's ok, as long as it is work safe... Thanks, Bruce ** Neither the footer nor anything else in this E-mail is intended to or constitutes an brelectronic signature and/or legally binding agreement in the absence of an brexpress statement or Autoliv policy and/or procedure to the contrary.brThis E-mail and any attachments hereto are Autoliv property and may contain legally brprivileged, confidential and/or proprietary information.brThe recipient of this E-mail is prohibited from distributing, copying, forwarding or in any way brdisseminating any material contained within this E-mail without prior written brpermission from the author. If you receive this E-mail in error, please brimmediately notify the author and delete this E-mail. Autoliv disclaims all brresponsibility and liability for the consequences of any person who fails to brabide by the terms herein. br ** ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: sourceforge what is going there?
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 3:33 PM, bruce.lab...@autoliv.com wrote: So, am I doomed to IE and this infernal W32 machine??? If that isn't a desperate cry for help, what is! Are there any settings on FF I could change to block/allow stuff through without being singled out as an IT risk? I don't think so. It may be that their sign-on screen is old and crufty and will only work with an insufficient browser. I just logged on to my (pre-existing) account using FireFox 3.5.9 on Fedora 11 (using NoScript and not running any JS from the site) and it seemed to work okay, so perhaps it's only the initial registration stuff that so badly borken. How that you've succeeded in registering with IE, try the account from FF/Linux and see how it goes... -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: sourceforge what is going there?
On 06/15/2010 03:12 PM, bruce.lab...@autoliv.com wrote: I just spent the last 20 minutes trying to get an account on sourceforge, so I could request a help ticket on a project. I had to login using IE! because only IE would allow the broken registration page to display. Firefox on both Linux and win32 would not display the page at all. :( In both the Registration Page, and the login page Firefox seems to block or is waiting for sb.scorecardresearch.com. Is this normal for SF? Should I change something in FF? I really want to connect to SF through my linux box, because, that's where all the useful work gets done :) Any suggestions? I'm running Ubuntu Lucid (gnome). Interesting. I have a project on Sourceforge and I don't have any problems using Midori. -- Thanks, Joseph Smith Set-Top-Linux www.settoplinux.org ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: sourceforge what is going there?
On 06/15/2010 03:20 PM, Arc Riley wrote: Sourceforge is not our friend. Best avoid it. Very few serious projects are hosted on it anymore. Why? -- Thanks, Joseph Smith Set-Top-Linux www.settoplinux.org ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: sourceforge what is going there?
The company that owns Sourceforge (and slashdot, Ohloh, etc) derives almost all their income from advertising, and look who their top advertisers are. Money corrupts. Sourceforge has been corrupted for a long time, I'm just hoping Ohloh doesn't go the same way soon. Besides website design, why is sourceforge no longer a friend? No polemics required, however, an insightful list of why would be instructive to me. If there is a URL to refer to, that's ok, as long as it is work safe... ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: sourceforge what is going there?
Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com wrote on 06/15/2010 04:12:18 PM: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 3:33 PM, bruce.lab...@autoliv.com wrote: So, am I doomed to IE and this infernal W32 machine??? If that isn't a desperate cry for help, what is! Are there any settings on FF I could change to block/allow stuff through without being singled out as an IT risk? I don't think so. It may be that their sign-on screen is old and crufty and will only work with an insufficient browser. I just logged on to my (pre-existing) account using FireFox 3.5.9 on Fedora 11 (using NoScript and not running any JS from the site) and it seemed to work okay, so perhaps it's only the initial registration stuff that so badly borken. How that you've succeeded in registering with IE, try the account from FF/Linux and see how it goes... -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com Thanks Ted! Not using javascript from the site was the trick. With js one cannot login or register on FF (at least on linux). Errk, back to work... :( -Bruce ** Neither the footer nor anything else in this E-mail is intended to or constitutes an brelectronic signature and/or legally binding agreement in the absence of an brexpress statement or Autoliv policy and/or procedure to the contrary.brThis E-mail and any attachments hereto are Autoliv property and may contain legally brprivileged, confidential and/or proprietary information.brThe recipient of this E-mail is prohibited from distributing, copying, forwarding or in any way brdisseminating any material contained within this E-mail without prior written brpermission from the author. If you receive this E-mail in error, please brimmediately notify the author and delete this E-mail. Autoliv disclaims all brresponsibility and liability for the consequences of any person who fails to brabide by the terms herein. br ** ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: sourceforge what is going there?
On 06/15/2010 04:19 PM, Arc Riley wrote: The company that owns Sourceforge (and slashdot, Ohloh, etc) derives almost all their income from advertising, and look who their top advertisers are. Money corrupts. Sourceforge has been corrupted for a long time, I'm just hoping Ohloh doesn't go the same way soon. Besides website design, why is sourceforge no longer a friend? No polemics required, however, an insightful list of why would be instructive to me. If there is a URL to refer to, that's ok, as long as it is work safe... Still not sure what is wrong with that, people have to make a living somehow they could always stop advertising and just charge the people that have their projects on there a fee -- Thanks, Joseph Smith Set-Top-Linux www.settoplinux.org ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: sourceforge what is going there?
Pressure from advertisers. Sourceforce could not survive by charging users/projects for the hosting, they would just go elsewhere, so they're reliant (heavily) on Microsoft and other proprietary software companies for funding. You run into the same problem with newspapers. Journalists are actively (and often strongly) encouraged to present advertisers in a positive light. Indymedia and many community papers have never accepted advertising for this reason. On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Joseph Smith j...@settoplinux.org wrote: On 06/15/2010 04:19 PM, Arc Riley wrote: The company that owns Sourceforge (and slashdot, Ohloh, etc) derives almost all their income from advertising, and look who their top advertisers are. Money corrupts. Sourceforge has been corrupted for a long time, I'm just hoping Ohloh doesn't go the same way soon. Besides website design, why is sourceforge no longer a friend? No polemics required, however, an insightful list of why would be instructive to me. If there is a URL to refer to, that's ok, as long as it is work safe... Still not sure what is wrong with that, people have to make a living somehow they could always stop advertising and just charge the people that have their projects on there a fee -- Thanks, Joseph Smith Set-Top-Linux www.settoplinux.org ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: sourceforge what is going there?
On 06/15/2010 06:30 PM, Arc Riley wrote: Pressure from advertisers. Sourceforce could not survive by charging users/projects for the hosting, they would just go elsewhere, so they're reliant (heavily) on Microsoft and other proprietary software companies for funding. You run into the same problem with newspapers. Journalists are actively (and often strongly) encouraged to present advertisers in a positive light. Indymedia and many community papers have never accepted advertising for this reason. Ok then who pays for the papers? And who pays the people that write articles for the papers and print the papers? -- Thanks, Joseph Smith Set-Top-Linux www.settoplinux.org ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: sourceforge what is going there?
Hi Arc, Sourceforge has been corrupted for a long time. In what ways has this corruption evidenced itself? md ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: sourceforge what is going there?
On 06/15/2010 06:40 PM, Joseph Smith wrote: On 06/15/2010 06:30 PM, Arc Riley wrote: Pressure from advertisers. Sourceforce could not survive by charging users/projects for the hosting, they would just go elsewhere, so they're reliant (heavily) on Microsoft and other proprietary software companies for funding. You run into the same problem with newspapers. Journalists are actively (and often strongly) encouraged to present advertisers in a positive light. Indymedia and many community papers have never accepted advertising for this reason. Ok then who pays for the papers? And who pays the people that write articles for the papers and print the papers? This seems like a strange question on a mailing list devoted to a group that uses open source software... ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Broadcom WiFi -- for a public library -- in Fedora 13 maybe? [now OT]
On 6/11/2010 4:34 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: It's *us*. *We're* the Software Freedom Squad. Since when? Since *now*. We don't have to wear spandex, do we?? I, for one, definitely do not look good in spandex. But a cape might be cool. My business partner, Keith, actually would look good in spandex. (He can lift 1,000 pounds.) :-) -- Dan Jenkins, Rastech Inc., Bedford, NH, USA, 1-603-206-9951 *** Technical Support Services for four decades. Now featuring Keith the Incredible Hulk and Dan the Double-Brained. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Open Source Auction Web Site software on Linux
Thanks for everyone's thoughts on open source auction software. Digesting the options. I'll share my results. -- Dan Jenkins, Rastech Inc., Bedford, NH, USA, 1-603-206-9951 *** Technical Support Excellence for four decades. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: sourceforge what is going there?
My 2c. Sourceforge used to LOOK like a place geeks hung out. It was amateurish and fun. It was simple and ugly and easy to read. And it was fast. The sorting was fast, you could get files easily, and so on. Now the site is slick, busy-looking, confusing and annoying. Too much color. Too many different type fonts, and they're all too small. Whoever thought anybody would enjoy reading teeny-tiny aqua blue type should be dismembered. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Recommendations...
The Linux 32-bit kernel supports PAE (the extension that allows access to more than 3GB RAM). Actually, PAE is an MMU feature providing an additional 4 bits of physical address to be specified in the page table entries; this allows the kernel to rig the page tables such that they can address more than the 4Gb that they'd normally be restricted to when using only 32bit addresses, but at the cost of an extra level of indirection in the page tables and a measurable performance penalty. IIRC, PAE is not necessary until you want to address *more* than 4Gb of RAM, though I have a nagging, fragmentary memory that some other issue (maybe related to PCI mappings or other I/O stuff?) can make PAE advisable even when you don't have more than 4Gb. The 3Gb limit you may be thinking of (associated with one of several possible splits of user Virtual Memory) is the constraint in standard 32bit kernels where (for performance reasons related to not wanting to incur TLB flushes with every trap/interrupt/syscall) the kernel owns the top 1/4 (ie. 1Gb) of every process's virtual address space, leaving only the lower 3Gb of virtual address space for user mode code. Note: this 3Gb issue is orthogonal to PAE. There used to be a config option that made a full 4GB of virtual address space available to every process by forcing the kernel to use its own page tables; support for this capability has been deprecated, apparently based on the attitude that anybody who wants more than 3Gb virtual address space should be running a 64bit OS, a rather condescending stance IMO. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: Broadcom WiFi -- for a public library -- in Fedora 13 maybe? [now OT]
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Dan Jenkins d...@rastech.com wrote: We don't have to wear spandex, do we?? I, for one, definitely do not look good in spandex. But a cape might be cool. No capes! Thunderhead, Stratogale, the list goes on... -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Web browsers, plugins, stability, processes (was: Recommendations...)
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com wrote: Unfortunately, there's now a native 64-bit Flash plugin and more recent versions of the `flashplugin-nonfree' package use that instead of using nspluginwrapper; so Flash is back to taking the browser down with it ... Firefox 3.6.4, currently in the late stages of beta, implements out-of-process plugins (OOPP). So when Flash explodes, locks up, goes into an endless loop, etc., you can just kill off that one process, and the browser is left intact. I've been running it since it was in the nightly build stage, for this feature alone. It seems quite stable at this point -- prolly even more so than 3.6.3, precisely because of OOPP. Recommended. http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/all-beta.html http://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2010/04/20/firefox-3-6-4-beta-available-for-download-and-testing/ There's also Google Chrome (or it's completely FOSS counterpart, Chromium). Not only is each plugin run in a separate process, each page (tab/window) gets its own process, as does the UI. So if a single page has slow-to-render HTML or some wonky JavaScript/AJAX, it doesn't drag the rest of the browser down with it. It also means that on a multi-processor/core system, it *really* flies. Google is calling the Linux version stable now; .deb's and .rpm's are available, and they install the needed magic for yum/apt to automatically update. http://www.google.com/chrome http://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/dev/ -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: sourceforge what is going there?
One option would be to try FF with user-agent-switcher. I've logged into many sites with FF that claim to require IE, but when I use UAS to set FF to claim to be IE, they work fine. jeff ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
