Re: FYI: Comcast Metro ethernet to the home
We had Fairpoint over here in Vermont for years and their service was pretty good, net and landline. Then last fall we asked to upgrade to their business account level in hopes of more speed. Within a couple of days we had no service at all, zero, and then ensued many weeks of email, snail mail and phone calls back and forth and getting nowhere. They also had the strike going on and apparently temps working the phone lines and going out to the field calls. Also reported sabotage of company equipment. Finally, we also reluctantly switched to Comcast (Saint Albans Bay) and it was better immediately, but in the past couple of weeks it's been dropping at random several times a day, no idea why. And our next-door neighbor asked me about then how our service was and I mentioned this; he said his has been the same and he was fed up. He was also shocked at how little we're paying and told me he started out paying that amount, roughly, but now, three years later, it's three times as much per month. So he's gone with the Dish network for tee-vee and net, I guess, and Fairpoint for landline. A local ISP outfit evidently has a tower on Hathaway Point, which is sort of opposite us across the bay here, but direct line of sight. I gotta ask him how it is when I see him around again. I keep hearing how the net is changing the universe and the cloud is wunnerful and so on but it looks like that's only for the big cities in Megalopolis. If we were trying to run a business that relied on the net here, which we are, it's not working out real well so far. Or take online courses and training. On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Steven C. Peterson s...@mainstream.net wrote: Auburn is a Comcast territory and is available if you ask, this is not a publicly advertised service You need to be within 3/4 a mile of a node or splice box if above ground or 1/4 of a mile underground. Quick note on the two options ( I did not know any one other then fairpoint and comcast had fiber to the home in the state) TDS is running a (G)PON network, this is still fiber and a great service if you can get it. this uses an advanced version frame relay / ATM network with your wave length sent to 32 to 64 terminals that then sort out your data from the rest. this service is cheaper to provide as they only need active equipment for 256 homes ( 1: 4 CWDM splitter, followed by a 32 or 64 w DWDM splitter in the field) Comcasts fiber service is Metro Ethernet, same ethernet we are all used to delivered over single mode fiber. this is a packet switched system with you and only you on a wave length between your site switch and the head end switch. this is way more costly to deploy but more secure and your able to provide much better SLA's. Also no love lost on Comcast just happen to be very happy with the service, at home and at my customer sites, the Enterprise division is not the same old Comcast every one is used to dealing with. Matt Minuti matt.min...@gmail.com July 17, 2015 at 15:53 via Postbox https://www.postbox-inc.com/?utm_source=emailutm_medium=sumlinkutm_campaign=reach If only someone offered such nice service in auburn... I'm still on 6/1 for $60... ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com July 16, 2015 at 19:01 via Postbox https://www.postbox-inc.com/?utm_source=emailutm_medium=sumlinkutm_campaign=reach Not sure where your local area is, but many towns served by the telecom TDS have, or will soon have, TDSFiber available. For plain old residential service at $49+fees, they are offering 100Mbps up to 1 Gbps, triple bundles and some discounts during the rollout. A local billboard claims it's the fastest residential service in the country, though I'm not sure if that discounter Google Fiber or had some disclaimer in fine print. https://www.tdsfiber.com/where/ On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Steven C. Peterson s...@mainstream.net wrote: -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ Steven C. Peterson s...@mainstream.net July 16, 2015 at 18:16 via Postbox https://www.postbox-inc.com/?utm_source=emailutm_medium=sumlinkutm_campaign=reach As an fyi for any one who wants major bandwidth at home Comcast has in our area a Metro Ethernet service for residences 505/125mb. New Hampshire was the pilot test for the 1gb and 2gb services they are rolling out down south. They have told all of the new England beta tests that they will be moved to 2gb service this fall I have been on it since January and it is fantastic, catches $299 per month + tax and lease (a cienea metro e switch) 3 year contract. and a $250 installation fee Need
Re: FYI: Comcast Metro ethernet to the home
On 2015-07-17 15:53, Matt Minuti wrote: If only someone offered such nice service in auburn... I'm still on 6/1 for $60... At least you can blame your placement out in the boonies. I'm stuck trying to do DSL over 90-year-old copper+paper+lead telephone-lines that semiregularly require a bucket-truck visit because they've delaminated, formed a new crack, got full of either rainwater or condensation, and shorted themselves out... *in downtown Nashua*, because AFAICT my only other options are Comcast cable (and I'd prefer not to do business with Comcast), a high-latency Satellite link, or terrestrial wireless service via one of the wireless telcos--and somehow those all seem mostly worse to me. All *I* have to blame my situation on is my own lousy personality :) (but, really--how come fiber is available in places like Wilton and Chichester before it's available in here? Is it normal for cities to be the cyber-boonies?) On Jul 16, 2015 7:07 PM, Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com mailto:tedro...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure where your local area is, but many towns served by the telecom TDS have, or will soon have, TDSFiber available. For plain old residential service at $49+fees, they are offering 100Mbps up to 1 Gbps, triple bundles and some discounts during the rollout. A local billboard claims it's the fastest residential service in the country, though I'm not sure if that discounter Google Fiber or had some disclaimer in fine print. https://www.tdsfiber.com/where/ On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Steven C. Peterson s...@mainstream.net mailto:s...@mainstream.net wrote: As an fyi for any one who wants major bandwidth at home Comcast has in our area a Metro Ethernet service for residences 505/125mb. New Hampshire was the pilot test for the 1gb and 2gb services they are rolling out down south. They have told all of the new England beta tests that they will be moved to 2gb service this fall I have been on it since January and it is fantastic, catches $299 per month + tax and lease (a cienea metro e switch) 3 year contract. and a $250 installation fee Need to be with in an arbitrary distance of a Comcast splice or node ( they base this on the cost to get the 12 fiber single mode run into your home) This is the same service and network they sell to enterprise customers. they include block of 5 IPv4 and a /48 IPv6 static with the service fee I have a contact in the enterprise sales that can get any one who interested getting more info -- Steven C. Peterson Mainstream Technology Group s...@mainstream.net mailto:s...@mainstream.net Office: (603)966-4607 x 2409 tel:%28603%29966-4607%20x%202409 Cell/SMS: (603)913-7006 tel:%28603%29913-7006 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org mailto:gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org mailto:gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ -- Don't be afraid to ask (λf.((λx.xx) (λr.f(rr. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
erratic fairpoint dsl? [was Re: FYI: Comcast...]
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Lloyd Kvam pyt...@venix.com wrote: Last month my Fairpoint DSL service became horribly erratic. The modem reported good DSL connections, but PPPoE just would not stay up. Outages sometimes persisted for days. After three weeks of grief and many calls to tech support, I reluctantly switched to Comcast. I'm glad (?) to hear it wasn't just me. I had three different technicians visit, with the last one blaming trouble in my house, though all my subsequent internal troubleshooting hasn't turned up anything. (The previous two changed various line settings, moved me to a new DSLAM, and generally blamed recent software upgrades in the CO.) We're out in the boonies, so Comcast isn't an option. Have others been having terrible problems with Fairpoint DSL recently? (At the risk of jinxing myself, it's been slightly better over the past 2-3 weeks.) -- Brian St. Pierre ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: erratic fairpoint dsl? [was Re: FYI: Comcast...]
On Fri, 2015-07-17 at 21:59 -0400, Brian St. Pierre wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Lloyd Kvam pyt...@venix.com wrote: Last month my Fairpoint DSL service became horribly erratic. The modem reported good DSL connections, but PPPoE just would not stay up. Outages sometimes persisted for days. After three weeks of grief and many calls to tech support, I reluctantly switched to Comcast. I'm glad (?) to hear it wasn't just me. I had three different technicians visit, with the last one blaming trouble in my house, though all my subsequent internal troubleshooting hasn't turned up anything. (The previous two changed various line settings, moved me to a new DSLAM, and generally blamed recent software upgrades in the CO.) I kept a browser window focused on the Comtrend DSL status page. My router is a Netgear 3800 running cerowrt. I had it log to my server so that I'd have a history of events. The pppd messages in syslog showed the ups and downs along with the authentication attempts: Jun 18 08:04:20 cerowrt.local pppd[27338]: Plugin rp-pppoe.so loaded. Jun 18 08:04:20 cerowrt.local pppd[27338]: RP-PPPoE plugin version 3.8p compiled against pppd 2.4.6 Jun 18 08:04:20 cerowrt.local pppd[27338]: pppd 2.4.6 started by root, uid 0 Jun 18 08:04:35 cerowrt.local pppd[27338]: Timeout waiting for PADO packets Jun 18 08:04:35 cerowrt.local pppd[27338]: Unable to complete PPPoE Discovery Jun 18 08:04:35 cerowrt.local pppd[27338]: Exit. (repeats ad infinitum along with other stuff I snipped) This would happen even when the DSL modem reported a good connection. Tech support insisted on focusing on my DSL line, but it's only about a hundred yards to the SLIC (roadside interface cabinet) and, of course, the DSL modem was reporting a good DSL connection. Tech support had no interest in my logs. We're out in the boonies, so Comcast isn't an option. I hope they have tracked down and fixed the problem(s) whatever they may be. I left reluctantly. Have others been having terrible problems with Fairpoint DSL recently? (At the risk of jinxing myself, it's been slightly better over the past 2-3 weeks.) -- Brian St. Pierre -- Lloyd Kvam Venix Corp DLSLUG/GNHLUG library http://dlslug.org/library.html http://www.librarything.com/catalog/dlslug http://www.librarything.com/catalog/dlslugsort=stamp http://www.librarything.com/rss/recent/dlslug ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: FYI: Comcast Metro ethernet to the home
Auburn is a Comcast territory and is available if you ask, this is not a publicly advertised service You need to be within 3/4 a mile of a node or splice box if above ground or 1/4 of a mile underground. Quick note on the two options ( I did not know any one other then fairpoint and comcast had fiber to the home in the state) TDS is running a (G)PON network, this is still fiber and a great service if you can get it. this uses an advanced version frame relay / ATM network with your wave length sent to 32 to 64 terminals that then sort out your data from the rest. this service is cheaper to provide as they only need active equipment for 256 homes ( 1: 4 CWDM splitter, followed by a 32 or 64 w DWDM splitter in the field) Comcasts fiber service is Metro Ethernet, same ethernet we are all used to delivered over single mode fiber. this is a packet switched system with you and only you on a wave length between your site switch and the head end switch. this is way more costly to deploy but more secure and your able to provide much better SLA's. Also no love lost on Comcast just happen to be very happy with the service, at home and at my customer sites, the Enterprise division is not the same old Comcast every one is used to dealing with. Matt Minuti mailto:matt.min...@gmail.com July 17, 2015 at 15:53via Postbox https://www.postbox-inc.com/?utm_source=emailutm_medium=sumlinkutm_campaign=reach If only someone offered such nice service in auburn... I'm still on 6/1 for $60... ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ Ted Roche mailto:tedro...@gmail.com July 16, 2015 at 19:01via Postbox https://www.postbox-inc.com/?utm_source=emailutm_medium=sumlinkutm_campaign=reach Not sure where your local area is, but many towns served by the telecom TDS have, or will soon have, TDSFiber available. For plain old residential service at $49+fees, they are offering 100Mbps up to 1 Gbps, triple bundles and some discounts during the rollout. A local billboard claims it's the fastest residential service in the country, though I'm not sure if that discounter Google Fiber or had some disclaimer in fine print. https://www.tdsfiber.com/where/ On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Steven C. Peterson s...@mainstream.net mailto:s...@mainstream.net wrote: -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ Steven C. Peterson mailto:s...@mainstream.net July 16, 2015 at 18:16via Postbox https://www.postbox-inc.com/?utm_source=emailutm_medium=sumlinkutm_campaign=reach As an fyi for any one who wants major bandwidth at home Comcast has in our area a Metro Ethernet service for residences 505/125mb. New Hampshire was the pilot test for the 1gb and 2gb services they are rolling out down south. They have told all of the new England beta tests that they will be moved to 2gb service this fall I have been on it since January and it is fantastic, catches $299 per month + tax and lease (a cienea metro e switch) 3 year contract. and a $250 installation fee Need to be with in an arbitrary distance of a Comcast splice or node ( they base this on the cost to get the 12 fiber single mode run into your home) This is the same service and network they sell to enterprise customers. they include block of 5 IPv4 and a /48 IPv6 static with the service fee -- -- Steven C. Peterson Mainstream Technology Group s...@mainstream.net Office: (603)966-4607 x 2409 Cell/SMS: (603)913-7006 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: FYI: Comcast Metro ethernet to the home
On Fri, 2015-07-17 at 17:53 -0400, Joshua Judson Rosen wrote: my only other options are Comcast cable (and I'd prefer not to do business with Comcast) I have similar feelings about Comcast. Last month my Fairpoint DSL service became horribly erratic. The modem reported good DSL connections, but PPPoE just would not stay up. Outages sometimes persisted for days. After three weeks of grief and many calls to tech support, I reluctantly switched to Comcast. The port blocking is annoying. The tech support is better than I remember from encounters some years ago. The Internet connection has been working. -- Lloyd Kvam Venix Corp DLSLUG/GNHLUG library http://dlslug.org/library.html http://www.librarything.com/catalog/dlslug http://www.librarything.com/catalog/dlslugsort=stamp http://www.librarything.com/rss/recent/dlslug ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: FYI: Comcast Metro ethernet to the home
If only someone offered such nice service in auburn... I'm still on 6/1 for $60... On Jul 16, 2015 7:07 PM, Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure where your local area is, but many towns served by the telecom TDS have, or will soon have, TDSFiber available. For plain old residential service at $49+fees, they are offering 100Mbps up to 1 Gbps, triple bundles and some discounts during the rollout. A local billboard claims it's the fastest residential service in the country, though I'm not sure if that discounter Google Fiber or had some disclaimer in fine print. https://www.tdsfiber.com/where/ On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Steven C. Peterson s...@mainstream.net wrote: As an fyi for any one who wants major bandwidth at home Comcast has in our area a Metro Ethernet service for residences 505/125mb. New Hampshire was the pilot test for the 1gb and 2gb services they are rolling out down south. They have told all of the new England beta tests that they will be moved to 2gb service this fall I have been on it since January and it is fantastic, catches $299 per month + tax and lease (a cienea metro e switch) 3 year contract. and a $250 installation fee Need to be with in an arbitrary distance of a Comcast splice or node ( they base this on the cost to get the 12 fiber single mode run into your home) This is the same service and network they sell to enterprise customers. they include block of 5 IPv4 and a /48 IPv6 static with the service fee I have a contact in the enterprise sales that can get any one who interested getting more info -- Steven C. Peterson Mainstream Technology Group s...@mainstream.net Office: (603)966-4607 x 2409 Cell/SMS: (603)913-7006 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: FYI: Comcast Metro ethernet to the home
I'm in Nashua (north end) and have fiber. However, this fiber was installed when Verizon owned the landlines. But Fairpoint did the pole to house drop. You sure there is no fiber downtown? Best regards, Bruce Please excuse any typos, sent by my iPhone. On Jul 17, 2015, at 17:53, Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@hackerposse.com wrote: On 2015-07-17 15:53, Matt Minuti wrote: If only someone offered such nice service in auburn... I'm still on 6/1 for $60... At least you can blame your placement out in the boonies. I'm stuck trying to do DSL over 90-year-old copper+paper+lead telephone-lines that semiregularly require a bucket-truck visit because they've delaminated, formed a new crack, got full of either rainwater or condensation, and shorted themselves out... *in downtown Nashua*, because AFAICT my only other options are Comcast cable (and I'd prefer not to do business with Comcast), a high-latency Satellite link, or terrestrial wireless service via one of the wireless telcos--and somehow those all seem mostly worse to me. All *I* have to blame my situation on is my own lousy personality :) (but, really--how come fiber is available in places like Wilton and Chichester before it's available in here? Is it normal for cities to be the cyber-boonies?) On Jul 16, 2015 7:07 PM, Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com mailto:tedro...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure where your local area is, but many towns served by the telecom TDS have, or will soon have, TDSFiber available. For plain old residential service at $49+fees, they are offering 100Mbps up to 1 Gbps, triple bundles and some discounts during the rollout. A local billboard claims it's the fastest residential service in the country, though I'm not sure if that discounter Google Fiber or had some disclaimer in fine print. https://www.tdsfiber.com/where/ On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Steven C. Peterson s...@mainstream.net mailto:s...@mainstream.net wrote: As an fyi for any one who wants major bandwidth at home Comcast has in our area a Metro Ethernet service for residences 505/125mb. New Hampshire was the pilot test for the 1gb and 2gb services they are rolling out down south. They have told all of the new England beta tests that they will be moved to 2gb service this fall I have been on it since January and it is fantastic, catches $299 per month + tax and lease (a cienea metro e switch) 3 year contract. and a $250 installation fee Need to be with in an arbitrary distance of a Comcast splice or node ( they base this on the cost to get the 12 fiber single mode run into your home) This is the same service and network they sell to enterprise customers. they include block of 5 IPv4 and a /48 IPv6 static with the service fee I have a contact in the enterprise sales that can get any one who interested getting more info -- Steven C. Peterson Mainstream Technology Group s...@mainstream.net mailto:s...@mainstream.net Office: (603)966-4607 x 2409 tel:%28603%29966-4607%20x%202409 Cell/SMS: (603)913-7006 tel:%28603%29913-7006 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org mailto:gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org mailto:gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ -- Don't be afraid to ask (λf.((λx.xx) (λr.f(rr. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
FYI: Comcast Metro ethernet to the home
As an fyi for any one who wants major bandwidth at home Comcast has in our area a Metro Ethernet service for residences 505/125mb. New Hampshire was the pilot test for the 1gb and 2gb services they are rolling out down south. They have told all of the new England beta tests that they will be moved to 2gb service this fall I have been on it since January and it is fantastic, catches $299 per month + tax and lease (a cienea metro e switch) 3 year contract. and a $250 installation fee Need to be with in an arbitrary distance of a Comcast splice or node ( they base this on the cost to get the 12 fiber single mode run into your home) This is the same service and network they sell to enterprise customers. they include block of 5 IPv4 and a /48 IPv6 static with the service fee I have a contact in the enterprise sales that can get any one who interested getting more info -- Steven C. Peterson Mainstream Technology Group s...@mainstream.net Office: (603)966-4607 x 2409 Cell/SMS: (603)913-7006 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: FYI: Comcast Metro ethernet to the home
Not sure where your local area is, but many towns served by the telecom TDS have, or will soon have, TDSFiber available. For plain old residential service at $49+fees, they are offering 100Mbps up to 1 Gbps, triple bundles and some discounts during the rollout. A local billboard claims it's the fastest residential service in the country, though I'm not sure if that discounter Google Fiber or had some disclaimer in fine print. https://www.tdsfiber.com/where/ On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Steven C. Peterson s...@mainstream.net wrote: As an fyi for any one who wants major bandwidth at home Comcast has in our area a Metro Ethernet service for residences 505/125mb. New Hampshire was the pilot test for the 1gb and 2gb services they are rolling out down south. They have told all of the new England beta tests that they will be moved to 2gb service this fall I have been on it since January and it is fantastic, catches $299 per month + tax and lease (a cienea metro e switch) 3 year contract. and a $250 installation fee Need to be with in an arbitrary distance of a Comcast splice or node ( they base this on the cost to get the 12 fiber single mode run into your home) This is the same service and network they sell to enterprise customers. they include block of 5 IPv4 and a /48 IPv6 static with the service fee I have a contact in the enterprise sales that can get any one who interested getting more info -- Steven C. Peterson Mainstream Technology Group s...@mainstream.net Office: (603)966-4607 x 2409 Cell/SMS: (603)913-7006 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
FYI: Computer show/shops in Nashua (was: Looking for some memory)
FYI: computer show in Nashua, today (Sunday): http://www.ncshows.com/ Also, in case anyone's either been meaning to stop into the Showtime Computers shop on Main St. Nashua--or relying on it...: http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/1021703-469/several-downtown-nashua-businesses-seeking-new-storefronts.html -- 'tis an ill wind that blows no minds. Richard Kolb II richard.k...@gmail.com writes: I could check if you were in a pinch, but I doubt I have anything around 1 gig. On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Chris Oelerich ch...@oeleri.ch wrote: I have 1 stick of 1G sodimm ddr2, and a few 512M ddr sticks you'd be welcome to. Unsure of speed. What's it for? On Dec 7, 2013 5:50 PM, Dan Miller rambi@gmail.com wrote: Before hitting up newegg I figure I would ask if anyone has any of the following memory types: Laptop PC2-4200 Looking for chips 1 gig or greater Desktop PC-3200 Prefer 1 gig or greater, but if 512 is available, that can be a help. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: FYI (large devices = looooonnngg processing times)
On 04/27/2013 08:06 PM, Curt Howland wrote: dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sdb or whatever it was, USB3. 6 days later You might have just run out of entropy on the PRNG. That and small writes will kill you. Try: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdX bs=2M next time. It should finish in several hours. A 20TB ZFS array will be done in less than a day (the compression ratio is wonderful with /dev/zero...). That and a scrub will let you know which disks got dropping in shipping. -Bill -- Bill McGonigle, Owner BFC Computing, LLC http://bfccomputing.com/ Telephone: +1.855.SW.LIBRE Email, IM, VOIP: b...@bfccomputing.com VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf Social networks: bill_mcgonigle/bill.mcgonigle ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: SpinRite (was: FYI)
On 04/28/2013 11:19 AM, Ben Scott wrote: But badblocks -n will do the same thing, for free. As I understand it, it's not the same (at the block layer VS the ATA layer), but: hdparm --read-sector 27878798 hdparm --write-sector 27878798 --yes-i-know-what-i-am-doing /dev/sdb will do what SpinRite does. I had a drive on our DVR that kept kicking a disk out of the array. badblocks didn't help it. Grepping the logs for the bad sector (md reports bad reads) and doing the above got the drive to re-map and after re-adding the partition to the array it's been stable for 6 months or so (yay, bash history). I should emphasize that this drive is part of a mirror on a device that plays TV shows to kids and there are nightly backups. Given that, it saved a hundred bucks on a replacement drive. I'm not sure if any of the fistful of dd_*rescue* tools integrate this. If they did, that would be pretty close to a free SpinRite clone. -Bill -- Bill McGonigle, Owner BFC Computing, LLC http://bfccomputing.com/ Telephone: +1.855.SW.LIBRE Email, IM, VOIP: b...@bfccomputing.com VCard: http://bfccomputing.com/vcard/bill.vcf Social networks: bill_mcgonigle/bill.mcgonigle ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: SpinRite (was: FYI)
On 2013-04-28 11:19 ET, Ben Scott wrote: On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com wrote: If the disk is failing, perhaps what it needs in SpinRight to recover the iffy blocks. Not Free, not Open, but good stuff and not expensive. Oh boy. This is going to get into religious territory. Conceded. I should disclaim that I am the author of the BruteForce(TM) Hard Drive Utilities from the same era. I am of the opinion that while SpinRite is not a total scam, it's highly overrated, mostly obsolete, and all of it's useful functionality is now available in free programs elsewhere. SpinRite *may* have had some relevance back in the days of MFM, when hard drives were powered by steam and people still thought MS-DOS was a good idea, but it's not worth paying for these days. And some of the claims made by the author are bunk and always have been. SpinRite was originally designed for one primary purpose: it was the only software that was capable of turning off ECC when test-reading older technology drives. Admittedly this was of value only a very long time ago in the MFM/RLL era and was quickly rendered much less useful as the amount of abstraction increased with the ATA interface. It was still possible to request that ECC be disabled with ATA and SCSI, and presumably this could give a decent indication of the health of the media in ways that were substantially hidden in ordinary operation, but eventually there were standardized methods built into interface technology that provided that kind of information obtained from logging in normal operation, such as SMART for ATA. Steve Gibson's theory behind SpinRite was that the principal cause of partial (as opposed to catastrophic) data loss was dimensional instability, most of which resulted from thermal migration beyond the tiny mechanical tolerances of cylinder position, and this was an expected consequence of normal aging. Therefore, he reasoned, he could test-read every sector on the media with ECC disabled, and if it was bad then he could re-enable ECC to recover the data and rewrite it more emphatically, thereby compensating for the dimensional changes inside the drive. A significant piece of evidence in support of his theory was the information-theoretic phenomenon that degradation occurred faster with RLL encoding despite its being physically identical to MFM encoding, implying a tighter tolerance. Although I believe Gibson was correct, as a practical matter SpinRite ceased to be really useful once similar functionality was built into intelligent drive controllers necessary for zone-bit recording -- which was sometime around when drive sizes started to exceed 32MB. The last drive that I had in operation where SpinRite was truly valuable was a 5.25-inch full-height 120MB Maxtor than had been formatted out to 180MB using RLL; in those days, Maxtor was a very high-end, extremely well-engineered independent brand rather than the bargain subsidiary of Seagate that it is today. That Maxtor drive had triple-redundant spindle sensors so that despite becoming noisy it continued in operation with no data loss when one failed, and that was why it was retired from service in operating condition. SpinRite will read every block on the disk, to make sure they still can be read. This is useful. But even CHKDSK/SCANDISK will do that, and have since DOS 6, circa 1993. As explained, SpinRite went directly to the hardware, which was the only way to bypass ECC. By the way, CHKDSK does not by default read every sector: the /R switch is required to enable that behavior, and it certainly could never disable ECC. SpinRite will read-and-rewrite blocks. There are scenarios where this may be a plausible benefit, such as allowing the drive's built-in relocation mechanism to relocate a marginal sector. But badblocks -n will do the same thing, for free. SpinRite was not looking for bad blocks, which are easy enough to find, but for gray area blocks that were good enough to be readable with ECC enabled but not good enough to be readable with ECC disabled. It was the first implementation of early warning technology, such as SMART, that is now built into every drive. In the SpinRite era, only SCSI drives had sector relocation mechanisms and these usually had to be specifically enabled by setting the particular Mode Page that controlled Read-Write Error Recovery; SpinRite simply copied the file. SpinRite will read blocks over and over again. If a read fails, it will keep trying until it succeeds, which is useful on a failing but not dead drive. But dd_rhelp will do the same thing, for free. To read a bad block, SpinRite will try tricks like seeking to adjacent cylinders/heads/sectors and back again, in various directions. This was plausible for ancient drives, but everything made in the past 20 years or so has abstracted the real disk geometry away from the host,
Re: FYI (large devices = looooonnngg processing times)
ZFS added RAIDZ3 (triple parity) was because the likelihood of hitting another error before a resilver finishes is likely with 3TB and current ECC on drives today. If you're using 4 TB drives, you should be using double parity (RAID6 or 3 way mirrors). On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 7:50 PM, Michael ODonnell michael.odonn...@comcast.net wrote: Even on just a silly little RAID1 mirror on a multi-Tb array I dread seeing the various messages announcing routine maintenance and diagnostic operations as they take forever and don't come for free, resource-wise... ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: FYI
On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Ben Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote: FYI, running badblocks -w on a 3 terabyte hard disk takes a long time. For those of you keeping score at home, the final tally was 68 hours, 21 minutes. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: FYI
On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Jim McGinness jim.mcginn...@att.net wrote: Tell me about it. I've been running a ddrescue for over a month now trying to recover what can be recovered from a failing 1TB disk. It averages under 200KB/s when it's not getting stuck because the disk is failing. Perhaps I'm doing this wrong Try dd_rhelp. It will recover as much data as it can from good blocks before it starts focusing on the bad blocks. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
SpinRite (was: FYI)
On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Bill Ricker bill.n1...@gmail.com wrote: If the disk is failing, perhaps what it needs in SpinRight to recover the iffy blocks. Not Free, not Open, but good stuff and not expensive. Oh boy. This is going to get into religious territory. I am of the opinion that while SpinRite is not a total scam, it's highly overrated, mostly obsolete, and all of it's useful functionality is now available in free programs elsewhere. SpinRite *may* have had some relevance back in the days of MFM, when hard drives were powered by steam and people still thought MS-DOS was a good idea, but it's not worth paying for these days. And some of the claims made by the author are bunk and always have been. SpinRite will read every block on the disk, to make sure they still can be read. This is useful. But even CHKDSK/SCANDISK will do that, and have since DOS 6, circa 1993. SpinRite will read-and-rewrite blocks. There are scenarios where this may be a plausible benefit, such as allowing the drive's built-in relocation mechanism to relocate a marginal sector. But badblocks -n will do the same thing, for free. SpinRite will read blocks over and over again. If a read fails, it will keep trying until it succeeds, which is useful on a failing but not dead drive. But dd_rhelp will do the same thing, for free. To read a bad block, SpinRite will try tricks like seeking to adjacent cylinders/heads/sectors and back again, in various directions. This was plausible for ancient drives, but everything made in the past 20 years or so has abstracted the real disk geometry away from the host, even when presenting CHS. So these tricks are meaningless on anything that isn't old enough to run for congress. And, of course, SpinRite is from Steve Gibson, who always talks like an infomercial host. Billy Mays could have taken lessons from Gibson. Gibson claims SpinRite interfaces directly to the hard disk system's hardware, which somehow gives it magical abilities. Everything I've seen suggests this is an outright lie. SpinRite flat-out won't work if the drive isn't presented using BIOS interrupt 0x13. He claims things like hardware register level awareness of IDE and SCSI drives. SCSI drives *don't have hardware registers*. The SCSI spec is quite abstract and hides all that stuff. Further, you don't talk to a SCSI drive, you talk to a host adapter. You literally *cannot* talk directly to the drive. You can, however, request additional sense data and mode pages, which provide a wealth of useful information about the drive. In the DOS environment under which SpinRite runes, this is done through the ASPI interrupt calls. It's a useful capability, and I expect it's what SpinRite does, but it isn't the Amazing Scientific Breakthrough!!!1! Gibson claims it is. He just Read The Fscking Manual and learned how to use ASPI. I do think SpinRite did things other software wasn't doing, at the time and place it was introduced in. Even something as simple as pattern testing wasn't common in the dark ages of DOS. (Other platforms had it, but the IBM-PC was the ghetto of the computer world.) I acknowledge that. It was valuable at the time, and even today, I suppose a nicely-presented, integrated package might still have value. But that doesn't mean Gibson's bullshit doesn't stink. (And it makes possible the Security Now! podcast.) Regardless of the efficacy of SpinRite, Steve Gibson is in way over his head when it comes to security. His habit of being uninformed and making stuff up has burned him more then once. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
FYI
FYI, running badblocks -w on a 3 terabyte hard disk takes a long time. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: FYI
On 4/27/2013 1:36 PM, Ben Scott wrote: FYI, running badblocks -w on a 3 terabyte hard disk takes a long time. LOL, who knew? A few weeks ago, I did that with two 2 TB drives sequentially. (Why sequentially? ... because I wasn't thinking.) I headed out of town on a business trip for a week, and arrived back in time to watch the job finish. Thankfully it was an in-house project that no one was waiting for. I remember it taking 48 hours to prep a 40 MB (not GB) MFM hard drive for Novell Netware oh so many years ago. We are so spoiled nowadays - generally just pop drives in and go. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: FYI
Tell me about it. I've been running a ddrescue for over a month now trying to recover what can be recovered from a failing 1TB disk. It averages under 200KB/s when it's not getting stuck because the disk is failing. Perhaps I'm doing this wrong -- jmcg On Apr 27, 2013, at 13:36, Ben Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote: FYI, running badblocks -w on a 3 terabyte hard disk takes a long time. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: FYI (large devices = looooonnngg processing times)
Even on just a silly little RAID1 mirror on a multi-Tb array I dread seeing the various messages announcing routine maintenance and diagnostic operations as they take forever and don't come for free, resource-wise... ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: FYI (large devices = looooonnngg processing times)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Saturday 27 April 2013, Michael ODonnell was heard to say: Even on just a silly little RAID1 mirror on a multi-Tb array I dread seeing the various messages announcing routine maintenance and diagnostic operations as they take forever and don't come for free, resource-wise... When I bought a 1TB external drive and decided to encrypt it, I wanted to randomize if first, dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sdb or whatever it was, USB3. 6 days later I made the mistake of playing a SpaceRip youtube video in full screen, and Flash locked up the box. The randomizing still wasn't done, but I gave up on that and encrypted the drive anyway. Yes, TerraByte drives are, as was said to Cyrano DeBergerac, Rather Large. - -- The Magistrate, enrobed in taxes, condemns the thief in stolen rags. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iFcDBQFRfGf3tk9X6NaR4akRCHi6AQCZHxxVA7JmSQsg+uz9BoLE6vJr014LzNCR Q5kz+cJuYgD/QWL0KLShfQKfOaSNKlB7YRAhgFPTA8sBqpSZkql+ck8= =Ymsy -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: FYI
On 4/27/2013 5:17 PM, mad...@li.org wrote: I remember it taking 48 hours to prep a 40 MB (not GB) MFM hard drive for Novell Netware oh so many years ago. We are so spoiled nowadays - generally just pop drives in and go. Now we start in with YOU HAD A 40 MB drive? Well *I* used to have to store my data on paper tape, and it was snowing and uphill both ways!! I used 80-column punch cards (Digital TOPS-10), 96-column punch cards (IBM System/3) and paper tape (PDP-8/E with a Teletype Model 33 paper tape reader and punch), back in the day. Since it only snowed 2/3 of the year and there was only a slight hill, one-way to the IBM server, you've got me beat. :-) -- Dan Jenkins ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: FYI (large devices = looooonnngg processing times)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I remember back when the Digital TurboLaser systems came out. At the time they were enormous, and my job was to develop testing tools for them. Management just about fell off their chairs when I told them it would take a *week* (running 24x7) just to create a 1 TB file with random data (as in RND(0)) for testing. And a little under 2 weeks to create 1 million 1K files with random data for testing. - --Bruce On 04/27/2013 08:06 PM, Curt Howland wrote: On Saturday 27 April 2013, Michael ODonnell was heard to say: Even on just a silly little RAID1 mirror on a multi-Tb array I dread seeing the various messages announcing routine maintenance and diagnostic operations as they take forever and don't come for free, resource-wise... When I bought a 1TB external drive and decided to encrypt it, I wanted to randomize if first, dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sdb or whatever it was, USB3. 6 days later I made the mistake of playing a SpaceRip youtube video in full screen, and Flash locked up the box. The randomizing still wasn't done, but I gave up on that and encrypted the drive anyway. Yes, TerraByte drives are, as was said to Cyrano DeBergerac, Rather Large. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlF8bgIACgkQ/TBScWXa5Ijf0gCcDXqYQIpizOYUg+02cB/a5xk0 u8sAoKiiOaqDv/qPeIgM/p3BDPk5JX5p =vvE1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: FYI
If the disk is failing, perhaps what it needs in SpinRight to recover the iffy blocks. Not Free, not Open, but good stuff and not expensive. (And it makes possible the Security Now! podcast.) But even that on 1-3TB will take forever. bill ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: FYI: The Unix philosophy
I had the need to write some Perl code recently which forced me to pull out Learning Perl from the bookshelf. Larry Wall wrote a very entertaining forward that takes issue with some of these principles. http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=572875 Definitely worth reading and provides some useful insight that reaffirms my happiness with Python. This Goldilocks tasted the Java and found it too strongly typed and designed by the computer scientists who value purity over productivity. He then tasted Perl and concluded one should only learn one language of line noise per career (TECO forever!), though it's certainly preferable to shells of oysters, bourne, C, etc. Finally, a taste of Python showed it well roasted and had a just right combination of design and staying out of the way of getting things done. Good reasons exist to use all three languages. And several others. Disclaimers: I have a Perl book, haven't written more than a few lines of Perl. Looked at hundreds though. I've written hundreds of lines of Java. Thousands of lines of Python, but am by no means an expert. By profession, I write OS (mostly Unix) kernel code in C. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: FYI: The Unix philosophy
Lloyd Kvam writes: I had the need to write some Perl code recently which forced me to pull out Learning Perl from the bookshelf. Larry Wall wrote a very entertaining forward that takes issue with some of these principles. I dunno. I think that if you were to ask lwall the specific question (for example) is small beautiful? he'd say that in all likelyhood small is more likely to be beautiful than big. For example, patch (created by lwall) is small and beautiful in its own way. patch has not evolved into a full-blown version control system, much to everybody's relief. But, again, patch is beautiful in its own way. Of course, the thing that lwall is most famous for is Perl, and in a certain light you can see that the design for Perl was most definitely *not* small is beautiful and make each program do one thing well. I feel confident when I surmise that lwall would say that this is OK too, because in this case he was trying to create a useful general purpose programming language (not a tool) that could accomplish tasks that he couldn't even envision at the time he created the language. If he had wanted to create a language that could have only done one thing well, I guess he could have created another PROLOG or something. I would argue that the Unix Philosophy has room in it for both patch and Perl. patch makes it in easily, whereas Perl knocked down one of the walls but many people don't mind because of its usefulness. If something isn't useful it is most decidedly not part of this mindset. I think the need for AWK/Sed crib sheets argues that the tools we've traditionally used for piping text might benefit from some fresh insights. I use crib sheets for various things, actually. My tiny little brain can only remember so many things; hence my notes. I use sh/sed/awk/patch/Perl quite a bit because they help me get my job done. Just another Perl hacker, --kevin -- GnuPG ID: B280F24EMeet me by the knuckles alumni.unh.edu!kdcof the skinny-bone tree. http://kdc-blog.blogspot.com/ -- Tom Waits ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: FYI: The Unix philosophy
From: kevin_d_cl...@comcast.net (Kevin D. Clark) Date: 09 Mar 2009 12:29:19 -0400 I think the need for AWK/Sed crib sheets argues that the tools we've traditionally used for piping text might benefit from some fresh insights. I use crib sheets for various things, actually. My tiny little brain can only remember so many things; hence my notes. I use sh/sed/awk/patch/Perl quite a bit because they help me get my job done. Reliance on crib sheets can be mitigated by practice. Using a language on a regular basis certainly makes remembering it easier. Of course, there's also the question of how MANY DSLs (domain-specific languages) you have to learn, and how easy to learn each language is. Prolog (somebody used that example) has a syntax wich is VERY easy to learn, but writing useful programs in Prolog requires A LOT of practice. By contrast, bash scripts can be written quite easily, but their syntax is quite complex and can take years to master. How many people, for example, are fluent in dc (the language used by the command line reverse polish arbitrary precision desk calculator)? So many languages... so little time. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: FYI: The Unix philosophy
On Mon, 2009-03-09 at 12:29 -0400, Kevin D. Clark wrote: I would argue that the Unix Philosophy has room in it for both patch and Perl. patch makes it in easily, whereas Perl knocked down one of the walls but many people don't mind because of its usefulness. If something isn't useful it is most decidedly not part of this mindset. I think Perl is a great improvement over sed/awk. I think Wall is essentially making the argument that some of the traditional tools (beads) put the boundaries in the wrong places. Perl is his counter-example. (This is probably a never ending argument as clever programmers will continue to tinker with our tool set.) I think the need for AWK/Sed crib sheets argues that the tools we've traditionally used for piping text might benefit from some fresh insights. I use crib sheets for various things, actually. My tiny little brain can only remember so many things; hence my notes. I use sh/sed/awk/patch/Perl quite a bit because they help me get my job done. Sure. I've got the same problem with brain capacity. I'm old enough that I was not including Perl in the traditional tools. Getting the job done is the name of the game. Learning to make good use our tools is part of the challenge. -- Lloyd Kvam Venix Corp DLSLUG/GNHLUG library http://dlslug.org/library.html http://www.librarything.com/catalog/dlslug http://www.librarything.com/rsshtml/recent/dlslug http://www.librarything.com/rss/recent/dlslug ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: FYI: The Unix philosophy
David Montenegro writes: Reliance on crib sheets can be mitigated by practice. Using a language on a regular basis certainly makes remembering it easier. cough, cough In my particular case, I would say that lack of practice is not the problem. --kevin -- GnuPG ID: B280F24EMeet me by the knuckles alumni.unh.edu!kdcof the skinny-bone tree. http://kdc-blog.blogspot.com/ -- Tom Waits ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: :-) Please use [OT] for Re: FYI: The Unix philosophy
jk...@kinz.org writes: The example of GNOME choosing to have non-human-editable configuration files is but a single instance in this waterfall of movement. GNOME forced me to abandoned it when I was *required* to install a sound library because of a dependancy upon it by the printing library. Why I need sound to print is still, to this day, a mystery to me! Another is GNOME requiring all changes to the configuration information be done through the gconf program. And this is why I abandoned GnuCash. The ability for me to use standard Unix command line tools on my data, config, and mail files, among others, is absolutely huge to me. I understand Aunt Tillie won't want or know how to do this, but I do. And I don't want to lose this ability! -- Seeya, Paul ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: FYI: The Unix philosophy - the rest of the story
From _The UNIX Philosophy_ by Mike Gancarz (a member of original X window system team): Two stories about Mike: Story 1: Mike was a young engineer, new to Digital's X programming group. We had shipped a version of the X Window system in ULTRIX based on X Version 10.3, and were now gearing up for the version based on X Version 11. He designed and coded the uwm(1) window manager for X11. It followed the xwm(1) window manager that came from MIT. One of the things that Mike wanted to do with uwm was to make it easy for people to tailor the actions through a start-up file. He thought about hand-coding a lexical analyzer and parser by hand, but instead decided to see if using lex(1) and yacc(1) might produce code that was faster and more maintainable in the long run. He went the second route, and we all believed (and believe to this day) that while Mike might have been able to code a start-up file parser that would be faster, the lex and yacc version was fast enough (even on a 1 MIPS CPU) that the maintainability won out. From that point on people started listening to this quiet young man. Story 2: It was a couple of years later, late in 1991, and DECUS (Digital Equipment Corporation User's Society) was having its meeting in Anaheim, California. One of the highlights of having the meeting in Anaheim was going to Disneyland at night, after the park had closed for regular customers. Even though it was winter, and a lot of the rides and concessions were closed, the fact that a park designed for 100,000 to 200,000 people a day was now handling 15,000 people meant there were no lines anywhere. A group of people called the ULTRIX Partners (later to be re-named the UNIX Partners) were made up of support people from the field. Pre-sales and post-sales technical people who had decided that this interesting operating system call UNIX was something they wanted to work on, rather than VMS, RSTS, RT11, RSX or any of the plethora of operating systems that Digital supported. During the night we had gotten tired of going to Tomorrow Land and (Later) riding the Pirate ship, and we sat down in Frontierland. I remember that a friend of mine, Fred Avolio, had purchased a Davey Crocket Hat. While we sat there and talked, I asked the question: Why do you like UNIX? It struck people as a little strange, because I was very well known as being a UNIX advocate, so why was I asking the question? I explained that I wanted people to THINK about why they liked UNIX. One by one they started talking about pipes and filters, how they all went together, the fact there were many small programs that did things they really wanted to do, and many other factors. We went back to work the next week, and we continued this talk by email. Eventually it got turned into a talk at the next DECUS called: Creating Programs for the Unix Environment: Or 'The Banker's Son and the Breakdancer' by Fred Avolio, Jon Hall, Roger Masse and Marcus Ranum I have a paper copy of this talk in front of me, written and produced using troff(1), complete with penciled addendums. The slides were titled: o Let's Get Small o Keep It Simple o Use and Build (New) Tools o Terse Commands o Consistancy of Command-Line Arguments [O.K., we did not have real-time spell checkers then] o fork(2) and exec(2) to Create Parallelism o Use Flat ASCII Files o STDIN/STDOUT/STDERR o Error Handling o Avoid Interactive Commands and Captive Human Interfaces o Keep Normally Uninformative Files Hidden o Allow User to Tailor their Environment o Write In a Portable Language o Write In Layers o Use Engines [lex, yacc, awk(1), pic(1), eqn(1), tbl(1)] o Notable Thoughts The last slide had three main bullets: o If you want it to go faster, you get a bigger (faster) CPU o I have seen to miracles in my life: nuclear fusion and compound interest. - Albert Einstein o Good programmers write good code; great programmers 'steal' good code - Mike Gancarz To illustrate this last point, there was one more person at DECUS that December night as the ULTRIX Partners talked about why we liked UNIX. It was the same engineer who had written the uwm window manager, and he did not contribute a lot of ideas to that discussion that night because he was too busy scribbling down notes on a piece of paper. Later, when Mike had written and published his book The UNIX Philospophy, he gave me an autographed copy. And now you know the REST of the story. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: mad...@li.org 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark
:-) Please use [OT] for Re: FYI: The Unix philosophy
On Mon, Feb 09, 2009 at 10:00:06PM -0500, Ben Scott wrote: Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs that handle text streams, because that is a universal interface. -- Doug McIlroy (inventor of Unix pipes; currently Adjunct Professor at NH's own Dartmouth College) From _The UNIX Philosophy_ by Mike Gancarz (a member of original X window system team): Universal: 1. Small is beautiful. 2. Make each program do one thing well. 3. Build a prototype as soon as possible. 4. Choose portability over efficiency. 5. Store data in flat text files. 6. Use software leverage to your advantage. 7. Use shell scripts to increase leverage and portability. 8. Avoid captive user interfaces. 9. Make every program a filter. TONGUE SLIGHTLY IN CHEEK :-D To Ben and Maddog as well: Please do not bring these abandoned topics (UNIX Philosophy)up in a Linux email list. they have no place here. I used to use SUN and ATT workstations based on Motorola 68010 CPUs robustly configured with 2 Meg of RAM. These systems were distinctly faster that the 1 GHz CPU with 512 MB of RAM I sit at today. (in terms of responsiveness to the GUI and CLI as well as most tasks capable of being done by machines that size). Today's systems, on a pound for pound of computing resources basis, are overwhelmingly slow and stupid. The degree of RAM gluttony alone seems unbelievable. It is clear that the Linux movement, even KDE, has largely, if not completely, abandoned the UNIX philosophy as its guiding principle of software design. Each new distro I see become more and more Windows-like in its underlying design. The example of GNOME choosing to have non-human-editable configuration files is but a single instance in this waterfall of movement. Another is GNOME requiring all changes to the configuration information be done through the gconf program. I believe the goal having Linux be easy enough for Aunt Tillie to use is not merely desirable but nearly a divine mandate. However it was not necessary to abandon the design principles that made the creation of Linux desirable in the first place. Today's Linux systems are increasingly evolving into nothing more than (poor) copies of MS Windows systems. Hugely bloated and lacking any of the formerly saving graces of the UNIX design approach. The Windows mindset has so completely devoured the mental concept space of computer science that some CS graduates today think that even things like the command shells and X-Windows are part of the operating system. Jeff Me? Bitter? ME? Kinz /TONGUE SLIGHTLY IN CHEEK :-D Note - the above posting is not to be taken at face value. Look at its wirth instead. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: :-) Please use [OT] for Re: FYI: The Unix philosophy
Look at its wirth instead. Ahhh, Niklaus Wirth...another giant! md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: mad...@li.org 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association Board Member Emeritus: USENIX Association (2000-2006) (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: :-) Please use [OT] for Re: FYI: The Unix philosophy
From: jk...@kinz.org Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:12:02 -0500 From _The UNIX Philosophy_ by Mike Gancarz (a member of original X window system team): Universal: 1. Small is beautiful. 2. Make each program do one thing well. 3. Build a prototype as soon as possible. 4. Choose portability over efficiency. 5. Store data in flat text files. 6. Use software leverage to your advantage. 7. Use shell scripts to increase leverage and portability. 8. Avoid captive user interfaces. 9. Make every program a filter. TONGUE SLIGHTLY IN CHEEK :-D To Ben and Maddog as well: Please do not bring these abandoned topics (UNIX Philosophy)up in a Linux email list. they have no place here. Ben: I was going to thank you for posting such a concise summary of the UNIX philosophy to the list, but I didn't think it was necessary. Thanks! ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
FYI: The Unix philosophy
Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs that handle text streams, because that is a universal interface. -- Doug McIlroy (inventor of Unix pipes; currently Adjunct Professor at NH's own Dartmouth College) From _The UNIX Philosophy_ by Mike Gancarz (a member of original X window system team): Universal: 1. Small is beautiful. 2. Make each program do one thing well. 3. Build a prototype as soon as possible. 4. Choose portability over efficiency. 5. Store data in flat text files. 6. Use software leverage to your advantage. 7. Use shell scripts to increase leverage and portability. 8. Avoid captive user interfaces. 9. Make every program a filter. Lesser: 1. Allow the user to tailor the environment. 2. Make operating systems small and lightweight. 3. Use lowercase and keep it short. 4. Save trees. 5. Silence is golden. 6. Think parallel. 7. The sum of the parts is greater than the whole. 8. Look for the 90-percent solution. 9. Worse is better. 10. Think hierarchically. From _The Art of Unix Programming_ by Eric Raymond (author of fetchmail and _The Cathedral and the Bazaar_): Rule of Modularity: Write simple parts connected by clean interfaces. Rule of Clarity: Clarity is better than cleverness. Rule of Composition: Design programs to be connected with other programs. Rule of Separation: Separate policy from mechanism; separate interfaces from engines. Rule of Simplicity: Design for simplicity; add complexity only where you must. Rule of Parsimony: Write a big program only when it is clear by demonstration that nothing else will do. Rule of Transparency: Design for visibility to make inspection and debugging easier. Rule of Robustness: Robustness is the child of transparency and simplicity. Rule of Representation: Fold knowledge into data, so program logic can be stupid and robust. Rule of Least Surprise: In interface design, always do the least surprising thing. Rule of Silence: When a program has nothing surprising to say, it should say nothing. Rule of Repair: Repair what you can — but when you must fail, fail noisily and as soon as possible. Rule of Economy: Programmer time is expensive; conserve it in preference to machine time. Rule of Generation: Avoid hand-hacking; write programs to write programs when you can. Rule of Optimization: Prototype before polishing. Get it working before you optimize it. Rule of Diversity: Distrust all claims for one true way. Rule of Extensibility: Design for the future, because it will be here sooner than you think. - I post this because many have apparently forgotten why Unix-like OSes win. Free Software is essential to freedom, but I prefer Free Software that wins. These principles are why Unix wins. Even if Microsoft Windows was GPLed, *nix would still win. Sources for the above: * http://www.faqs.org/docs/artu/ch01s06.html * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy * http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~doug/ * http://www.princeton.edu/~hos/frs122/precis/mcilroy.htm * http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/taoup/html/ * http://www.amazon.com/UNIX-Philosophy-Mike-Gancarz/dp/181234 Thank you for your time. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
FYI skinning/theming mediawiki
I've been busy re-working my wiki site to improve the skin http://freephile.com/wiki/ The Howto is at http://freephile.com/wiki/index.php/Theming_Mediawiki -- skype/aim/irc freephile home office 978-225-8302 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
Re: FYI: spamconf '07
On Friday 23 March 2007 12:17 pm, Steven W. Orr wrote: I've been to this for the last few years and it's always fun and informative. I've tried emailing the address on this site for information to sign up twice and haven't gotten a response. Has anyone else? -N ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
FYI: spamconf '07
I've been to this for the last few years and it's always fun and informative. -- Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have .0. happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ ..0 Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- 000 individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question? steveo at syslang.net -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 06:44:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Yerazunis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Current Status We're coming down to the wire for the MIT Spam Conference 2007. The tenative schedule is posted on the web site (www.spamconference.org). Here it is as of the current date and time: Thursday, March 29: 17:00-onward - informal get-together at Cambridge Brewing Company (highly informal, just show up, not sponsored ) Friday, March 30: 9:00 Coffee, Juice, Bagels, Donuts 9:30 Chair: Opening CommentsInvited Topics 9:45 Jessica Baumgart: Blog Spam 10:15 Amanda Watlington: Search Engine Spam 10:45 Coffee and Donuts I Consider the Source 11:00 Alberto Trevino: Relays and Header Analysis Revisited 11:20 Alberto Mujica: Reputation Management for Email 11:40 David Hughes:SPF and Symmetric DNS 12:00 Lunch (on your own) Working the Text 13:30 Nouman Azam: Feature selection and Latent Semantic Indexing 13:50 Catalan Cosoi: Combining antispam filters 14:10 Manuel Martin-Merino:Ensembles of SVM filters 14:30 Coffee and Donuts II Going Outside the text box 15:00 Tobias Eggendorfer: Tarpit simulation 15:20 Drugge/Beckman: SMTP Multiplex throttling 15:40 Fumero: Detecting image spam ~16:00-onward Roundtable Rants / Late Breaking (all interested) ~16:00-onward (andAdjourn to Informal Discussions) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss/
FYI: Maddog article
Saw this linked from /. this AM: http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;527801083;fp;2;fpid;4 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: FYI: Maddog article
From the article: So what makes you happy? Good friends. Enthusiastic students. Enthusiastic teachers. Warm sandy beaches. Most definately there is something missing here: Beer! Michael Costolo wrote: Saw this linked from /. this AM: http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;527801083;fp;2;fpid;4 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
RE: FYI: Maddog article
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Soule Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 10:19 AM To: GNHLUG Subject: Re: FYI: Maddog article From the article: So what makes you happy? Good friends. Enthusiastic students. Enthusiastic teachers. Warm sandy beaches. Most definately there is something missing here: Beer! The beer is implied from Good friends. What good are they if they don't bring you beer? ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
[OT?] FYI: WD 250 GB drives $49 + $5
Dunno if this of any interest to folks here but I just saw this: Good price, questionable provenance? This is an FYI with a neutral recommendation. From woot.com http://www.woot.com/Default.aspx 250 GB WD drive $49 + $5 shipping THESE ARE REFURBS No Hint as to why these are refurbs. Warranty: 6 month Woot Warranty Specifications: * 250GB * 7200 RPM * 2 MB cache * EIDE * Does not include installation instructions or an IDE cable. * Ultra ATA/100 - Up to 100 MB/s burst transfer rates. * Fluid Dynamic Bearing (FDB) technology - improves hard drive reliability; reduces heat, vibration, and noise. * Shock Guard provides outstanding improvements in shock and vibration protection for WD Caviar drives. Shock Guard allows instantaneous data protection at high shock values to achieve leading shock System Requirements: * IDE-ATA interface (40-pin connector) * Ultra ATA-capable system DISCLOSURE: I have no connection with woot whatsoever, and no experience with using them either. This is an FYI with a neutral recommendation. -- Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. speech recognition software may have been used to create this e-mail ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: [OT?] FYI: WD 250 GB drives $49 + $5
On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 08:53:01AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 08:08:38AM -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote: Dunno if this of any interest to folks here but I just saw this: Good price, questionable provenance? This is an FYI with a neutral recommendation. I wouldn't use these as primary system drives. If you're I agree. Thats why I specifically noted they were refurbs and gave a neutral recommendation. If there was some info about why they have a ton of identical drives as refurbs I might give it more consideration. For example, if they were bought at auction from a bankrupt PC maker or whatnot. Woot only sells one item per day, 3 units max to any buyer. Typically (it seems) they have a ton of the day's catch in stock which is the only reason I think these might be refurbs for strictly logistical reasons, which would imply that they don't have any reliability issue, just economic ones. But thats only a guess and not one I would feel secure enough about to use these drives for anything but experimental or fun only type applications Ed Frankenberry, (yes, that's really his last name and I doubt he anything to do with the cereal), pointed out that these have ATA/100 and not the faster ATA/133 capability. Thats one potential reason for them to be turned out of inventory. Or they may have all been part of a manufacturing run known to go bad in seven months hence the six month warranty building a MythTV box or an MP3 jukebox -- something where you're not overly concerned about the safety of your data -- these are probably an excellent fit. Lately I've been happy with WD Caviar Special Edition drives -- 8MB cache and a 3 year warranty -- and Seagate drives with a 5 year warranty. -dsr- ___ Discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://olduvai.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. speech recognition software may have been used to create this e-mail ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: [OT?] FYI: WD 250 GB drives $49 + $5
If you are using a RAID controller and are willing to keep a spare, they would be fine. I could see putting a Raid 5 these guys, or at least mirroring them (Raid 1). -- Original Message --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jeff Kinz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:53:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [OT?] FYI: WD 250 GB drives $49 + $5 On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 08:08:38AM -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote: Dunno if this of any interest to folks here but I just saw this: Good price, questionable provenance? This is an FYI with a neutral recommendation. I wouldn't use these as primary system drives. If you're building a MythTV box or an MP3 jukebox -- something where you're not overly concerned about the safety of your data -- these are probably an excellent fit. Lately I've been happy with WD Caviar Special Edition drives -- 8MB cache and a 3 year warranty -- and Seagate drives with a 5 year warranty. -dsr- ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: [OT?] FYI: WD 250 GB drives $49 + $5
On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 08:08:38AM -0500, Jeff Kinz wrote: Dunno if this of any interest to folks here but I just saw this: Good price, questionable provenance? This is an FYI with a neutral recommendation. I wouldn't use these as primary system drives. If you're building a MythTV box or an MP3 jukebox -- something where you're not overly concerned about the safety of your data -- these are probably an excellent fit. Lately I've been happy with WD Caviar Special Edition drives -- 8MB cache and a 3 year warranty -- and Seagate drives with a 5 year warranty. -dsr- ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: [OT?] FYI: WD 250 GB drives $49 + $5
On Dec 5, 2005, at 09:37, Jeff Kinz wrote: Woot only sells one item per day, 3 units max to any buyer ... But thats only a guess and not one I would feel secure enough about to use these drives for anything but experimental or fun only type applications I normally only buy Seagate, but with that extra IDE controller I have on the shelf, this is a .5TB RAID-5 array for $175. That really brings out the cheap in me. :) Unless they all fail, RAID mitigates much of the risk of them being refurbs. Time to start ripping the DVD's, methinks. -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Pager: 603.442.1833 Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Text: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: [OT?] FYI: WD 250 GB drives $49 + $5
Jeff Kinz wrote: Dunno if this of any interest to folks here but I just saw this: Good price, questionable provenance? This is an FYI with a neutral recommendation. From woot.com: http://www.woot.com/Default.aspx 250 GB WD drive $49 + $5 shipping THESE ARE REFURBS No Hint as to why these are refurbs. CompUSA.com had 250 GB Western Digital's on sale for $59.95 after rebate just last week. That's only $10 more for a new drive. TigerDirect had Seagate's for $10 more than that (no rebate). Refurbs always make me leary. Of course, in less important systems that's a good price and that's what backups are for. :-) -- Dan Jenkins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Rastech Inc., Bedford, NH, USA --- 1-603-206-9951 *** Technical Support Excellence for over a quarter century ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
SagoNet warning / FYI
Hi all, Since SagoNet has been mentioned as a good cheap provider on the list, I thought I'd share my latest irritation with them. I was having bizarre connectivity issues (no route to host) when trying to use port 8081 outbound, to connect to an existing service running on a work server. (8080 was already in use when we set it up, etc.) After quite a bit of lost time trying to debug, I submitted a trouble ticket. Here was their reply, which was not terribly useful to me, except to confirm that it's their fault: Re: [sagonet.com - TSC #HPS-11233-197]: Outbound connections from server fail on 8081 Sago Networks - Technical Support Center wrote: Hello, Our abuse department has found historically this port among many others has been used for illicit traffic. At this time we are unable to complete your request as such you will need to reconfigure your application to use an alternate port. Let us know if you need anything else, Chris Davis Sago Tech Support Note that they DO NOT MENTION THIS in their documentation that I was able to find; I don't know what other ports they may have randomly decided are verboten, and I'm not too keen on finding out the hard way. -- Drew Van Zandt ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: SagoNet warning / FYI
On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 03:23:56PM -0400, Drew Van Zandt wrote: Hi all, Hello, Our abuse department has found historically this port among many others has been used for illicit traffic. At this time we are unable to complete your request as such you will need to reconfigure your application to use an alternate port. Let us know if you need anything else, Chris Davis Sago Tech Support Note that they DO NOT MENTION THIS in their documentation that I was able to find; I don't know what other ports they may have randomly decided are verboten, and I'm not too keen on finding out the hard way. Agreed. I ran into this same problem recently (LiveJournal's latest updates are provided as a stream from port 8081): it was most certainly *not* the case approximately 2-3 weeks ago: it is a recent change. I'm not really sure what I can do about this from my point of view: Up until now, I'd been pretty happy with them other than a minor incident due to a badly placed server leading to consistent overheating and restarts over a two day period. However, they helped me resolve that one relatively quickly: this one is something I can't change, and is all in all a pretty dumb way of doing things. For the record, the way I found out about this being deliberate was via a tcpdump: If you try to connect, a couple seconds after the disconnect (when attempting to connect via telnet, for example) there is an ICMP reply: 15:42:54.901147 IP fa10-24.as12.tpa.sagonet.net athena.crschmidt.net: icmp 36: host 216.239.57.99 unreachable - admin prohibited filter I'm still pretty upset about this: this server is what I use for almost all my work and I had to switch to a different machine for something I'm working on simply because of this restriction. -- Christopher Schmidt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: SagoNet warning / FYI
their reply to my complaint: The ports that we block are known to be used for proxy traffic, virus/worm traffic, and other known Internet vulnerabilities. Our list changes very often when we find new exploits and such so any list we give you today, could change tomorrow. This is done for the protection of our network as well as our customers. We apologize for the inconvenience this may have caused you, however please understand the overall benefit. If you have any questions, please let us know. Thank you for your understanding. Have a great day. --- IP Engineering Sago Networks On 9/5/05, Christopher Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 03:23:56PM -0400, Drew Van Zandt wrote: Hi all, Hello, Our abuse department has found historically this port among many others has been used for illicit traffic. At this time we are unable to complete your request as such you will need to reconfigure your application to use an alternate port. Let us know if you need anything else, Chris Davis Sago Tech Support Note that they DO NOT MENTION THIS in their documentation that I was able to find; I don't know what other ports they may have randomly decided are verboten, and I'm not too keen on finding out the hard way. Agreed. I ran into this same problem recently (LiveJournal's latest updates are provided as a stream from port 8081): it was most certainly *not* the case approximately 2-3 weeks ago: it is a recent change. I'm not really sure what I can do about this from my point of view: Up until now, I'd been pretty happy with them other than a minor incident due to a badly placed server leading to consistent overheating and restarts over a two day period. However, they helped me resolve that one relatively quickly: this one is something I can't change, and is all in all a pretty dumb way of doing things. For the record, the way I found out about this being deliberate was via a tcpdump: If you try to connect, a couple seconds after the disconnect (when attempting to connect via telnet, for example) there is an ICMP reply: 15:42:54.901147 IP fa10-24.as12.tpa.sagonet.net athena.crschmidt.net: icmp 36: host 216.239.57.99 unreachable - admin prohibited filter I'm still pretty upset about this: this server is what I use for almost all my work and I had to switch to a different machine for something I'm working on simply because of this restriction. -- Christopher Schmidt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQFDHKAdqjCpmKHia1gRAm9GAJ9hPTj/7bqxioPvTk1XyfHJuxiTKgCY5/xL NbR0R//4aac/+QL1QPwkeg== =flIs -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Drew Van Zandt ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: SagoNet warning / FYI
On Sep 5, 2005, at 16:09, Drew Van Zandt wrote: The ports that we block are known to be used for proxy traffic, virus/worm traffic, and other known Internet vulnerabilities. I'm glad to learn that proxies are vulnerabilities. I didn't know that before the wizards at SagoNet bought that to your attention. The beauty of their system is, eventually, every port will be blocked other than port 80 and 443. Maybe you should do everything over SOAP... I'd take this as a warning sign and find someone who can offer you a real Internet connection. A good ISP will have real monitoring in place so they can monitor their network for real problems, not put up roadblocks in a lame attempt to prevent problems. One has to wonder how they'd respond to a real problem if they don't have that kind of monitoring in place. I've jumped ISP's three times so far, at least once for crap like this - currently I'm at 11 and they seem to know what's going on. And I'm sure they'll shut off my network connection if my machine starts participating in a DDOS. I don't mean to be overly harsh, but I've tried banging my head against similar walls before, for myself and clients, without success and at my expense. So, I don't do that anymore. -Bill - Bill McGonigle, Owner Work: 603.448.4440 BFC Computing, LLC Home: 603.448.1668 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile: 603.252.2606 http://www.bfccomputing.com/Pager: 603.442.1833 Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Text: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RSS: http://blog.bfccomputing.com/rss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
FYI: avoid the latest MyODBC driver 3.51.10 on Windows
I know many of you share my challenge of supporting Windows clients. I attempted to set up a new LAMP solution with Windows clients which required ODBC connectivity to a MySQL database and spent most of the weekend debugging a problem with the latest MyODBC driver, version 3.51.10.00. It works from some apps with a user dsn, fails with a system dsn, and crashes altogether in some applications. The final solution was to roll back to the previous driver, version 3.51.09.00. Since I was using a new MySQL 4.1.8 server, I also had to tell it to support the older form of password authentication with the --old-password switch on startup (details of using that here: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/Old_client.html). The MySQL folks are aware of the problems and promise a new driver soon. Forewarned is forearmed. Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Hardware FYI (Memorex DVD+/-RW)
FWIW, MadDog Dominators are also the same drive. I wound up with an official NEC 2510A, though, and have yet to flash the firmware. On Oh, sorry about that. Most info can be found here: www.rpc1.org and http://club.cdfreaks.com Where did you get the firmare hack info, I would like to get mine set that way Travis Roy wrote: Sorry, typo there, it should be NEC2500A the 2500A and 2510A are the same drive, just different firmware I got an external Memorex True8Xn drive a few months back and I found out some interesting stuff. It's a rebranded NEC2100A drive. There's a firmware hack to support the following: Region Free Bitsetting (burn DVD+R(W) discs as DVD-ROM letting them work in any player) Rip Lock (removes the limits on how fast you can rip music) Dual Layer Bitsetting and the dual layer were the big ones for me. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss -- Bob Bell ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Hardware FYI (Memorex DVD+/-RW)
Oh, sorry about that. Most info can be found here: www.rpc1.org and http://club.cdfreaks.com Where did you get the firmare hack info, I would like to get mine set that way Travis Roy wrote: Sorry, typo there, it should be NEC2500A the 2500A and 2510A are the same drive, just different firmware I got an external Memorex True8Xn drive a few months back and I found out some interesting stuff. It's a rebranded NEC2100A drive. There's a firmware hack to support the following: Region Free Bitsetting (burn DVD+R(W) discs as DVD-ROM letting them work in any player) Rip Lock (removes the limits on how fast you can rip music) Dual Layer Bitsetting and the dual layer were the big ones for me. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Hardware FYI (Memorex DVD+/-RW)
I got an external Memorex True8Xn drive a few months back and I found out some interesting stuff. It's a rebranded NEC2100A drive. There's a firmware hack to support the following: Region Free Bitsetting (burn DVD+R(W) discs as DVD-ROM letting them work in any player) Rip Lock (removes the limits on how fast you can rip music) Dual Layer Bitsetting and the dual layer were the big ones for me. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Hardware FYI (Memorex DVD+/-RW)
Sorry, typo there, it should be NEC2500A the 2500A and 2510A are the same drive, just different firmware I got an external Memorex True8Xn drive a few months back and I found out some interesting stuff. It's a rebranded NEC2100A drive. There's a firmware hack to support the following: Region Free Bitsetting (burn DVD+R(W) discs as DVD-ROM letting them work in any player) Rip Lock (removes the limits on how fast you can rip music) Dual Layer Bitsetting and the dual layer were the big ones for me. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: Hardware FYI (Memorex DVD+/-RW)
Where did you get the firmare hack info, I would like to get mine set that way Travis Roy wrote: Sorry, typo there, it should be NEC2500A the 2500A and 2510A are the same drive, just different firmware I got an external Memorex True8Xn drive a few months back and I found out some interesting stuff. It's a rebranded NEC2100A drive. There's a firmware hack to support the following: Region Free Bitsetting (burn DVD+R(W) discs as DVD-ROM letting them work in any player) Rip Lock (removes the limits on how fast you can rip music) Dual Layer Bitsetting and the dual layer were the big ones for me. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss -- IBA #15631 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
FYI Database/Java SW Tech Lead Position - Nashua, NH
If interested in this position , please send me your resume. Regards, Bruce James Web Developer SkillSoft 110 Spit Brook Road Nashua, NH 03062 Office: 603.821.3313 Cell: 603.325.2003 Job Title: Database/SW Tech Lead Location: 110 Spitbrook Rd Nashua, NH Job Description: SkillSoft is seeking a talented senior software/database engineer to join its software development team creating advanced web-based interactive educational software, course development tools and learning management systems. The ideal candidate will have experience delivering Java based commercial applications. This candidate should also be considered a database expert but also be able to assist in all aspects of application design, development and implementation. Developers should be comfortable working with object oriented and software development best practices in a highly skilled team environment. This role will be responsible for technical leadership of a small team in the development of a new advanced reporting server using data warehouse technologies. Job Responsibilities: · Database design and data modeling. · Architecture and Design of Java Applications · Technical leadership of a 2-3 engineer team. · Develop and enhance Java and JSP applications · Troubleshoot and debug problems Skills Required: · BSCS or BSEE or equivalent experience · Over 5 years experience in commercial Database development · Experience leading 2-3 person teams · Industry experience with Java and JSP · Experience with ETL (Extract Transform and Load) processes. · Experience with SQL Star and Snowflake Schema design. · Experience with JUnit. · Experience with Struts and Tiles. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: FYI: Philly considers wireless Internet for all
I will second the vote for Pat's Steaks, personally I always felt that Reading Terminal Market should have been considered in violation of a dozen or more provisions of the Geneva Convention! I always get a kick out of New England shops that offer real Philly Cheesesteaks ... when I point out that they aren't even close, they say something like ... but we only use the best quality steak... to which I promptly reply ... well, there's your first mistake! ... sigh ... oh to be 20 again and an undergrad at Penn without the Vietnam War looming on the horizon! I can dream can't I !?!? Cheers ... BBR, underhill center, vt On 9/3/04 12:03 PM, Bob Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only get them from the Reading Terminal Market where I have been purchasing them for over thirty-five years by calling them a cheese-steak. I don't specify onions (and green peppers) because OF COURSE you want them.and if you are asked about hots, don't say sure, pile them on because I am Italian unless you don't want to feel your teeth for the rest of the day. Everyone should take a field trip to 9th and Passyunk, where they should step up to the window at Pat's (or across the street at Geno's, if you absolutely insist) and order a whiz, with. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: FYI: Philly considers wireless Internet for all
I only get them from the Reading Terminal Market where I have been purchasing them for over thirty-five years by calling them a cheese-steak. I don't specify onions (and green peppers) because OF COURSE you want them.and if you are asked about hots, don't say sure, pile them on because I am Italian unless you don't want to feel your teeth for the rest of the day. Everyone should take a field trip to 9th and Passyunk, where they should step up to the window at Pat's (or across the street at Geno's, if you absolutely insist) and order a whiz, with. -- Bob Bell ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
FYI: Philly considers wireless Internet for all
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/aptech_story.asp?category=1700slug=Wireless+Cities -- Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have .0. happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ ..0 Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- 000 individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question? steveo at syslang.net ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: FYI: Philly considers wireless Internet for all
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: First, Cream Cheese. Now.. This.. God would that be a step forward.. Cheese-steaks!!!.and soft pretzels with mustard on them! Philly zoo! Art Museum! And the city would likely offer the service either for free, or at costs far lower than the $35 to $60 a month charged by commercial providers, said the city's chief information officer, Dianah Neff. Why not do the same with local telephone service, cable TV, etc. Why stop with just wireless Internet? If the commercial providers had access to the poles, had a monopoly garanteed to them, they might be able to supply the services at a much cheaper price also. Nevertheless, I would love to see free, or really cheap, wireless for the downtown oval of Milford. I could sit out on the bandstand until my battery died. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux International(R) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. WWW: http://www.li.org Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. (R)Linux International is a registered trademark in the USA used pursuant to a license from Linux Mark Institute, authorized licensor of Linus Torvalds, owner of the Linux trademark on a worldwide basis (R)UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group in the USA and other countries. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: FYI: Philly considers wireless Internet for all
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:05:30 -0400, Jon maddog Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: First, Cream Cheese. Now.. This.. God would that be a step forward.. Cheese-steaks!!!.and soft pretzels with mustard on them! Philly zoo! Art Museum! NOW we're TALKIN! ;-) When we moving.. And the city would likely offer the service either for free, or at costs far lower than the $35 to $60 a month charged by commercial providers, said the city's chief information officer, Dianah Neff. Why not do the same with local telephone service, cable TV, etc. Why stop with just wireless Internet? One step at a time, big guy.. But I like the way your thinkin... ;-) If the commercial providers had access to the poles, had a monopoly garanteed to them, they might be able to supply the services at a much cheaper price also. Or simply make more money doing so.. ;-) Nevertheless, I would love to see free, or really cheap, wireless for the downtown oval of Milford. I could sit out on the bandstand until my battery died. And each and every one of us would drive by, honking our horns.. ;-) And of course, you'd soon be known as that 'Old crazy guy who's always sitting in the middle of the oval.' ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: FYI: Philly considers wireless Internet for all
On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 16:14, Thomas Charron wrote: On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:05:30 -0400, Jon maddog Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: First, Cream Cheese. Now.. This.. God would that be a step forward.. Cheese-steaks!!!.and soft pretzels with mustard on them! Philly zoo! Art Museum! NOW we're TALKIN! ;-) When we moving.. Philly taxes! Philly cops! Philly government! Not so fast. This is the same city that burned down an entire city block just to evict some folks from their house. Killed some of the kiddies too. :-( Don't get me wrong, I love Philly, sine I'm from there originally, but I would not want to live there again. Visit Ok. Philly does boast the biggest park of any city in the states -- Fairmont Park. I've actually hiked some of it. Quite impressive for a city its size. Plus, Philly has quite the culture and ethnic restaurants galore. It's a wonderful city -- to visit. University of Pennsylvania is there (one of my old hangout spots), as well as Drexel and Temple U. And I miss The Painted Bride. Not even sure it's still there. Dock Street is the Philly equivalent of Sam Adams. And there is a wonderful microbrewery restaurant by the same name. Best damn microbrewery I've ever been to in the States. Sorry, Martha's Exchange. I will say this -- even as a vegetarian, but I used to be a carnivore -- there is only ONE place to get Philly steak -- Philly. Other places outside of Philly claim they do Philly steaks, but don't come even close. Accept no imitations. Oh, and if you do go there, you MUST see South St. It's cool, it's hip. You also must see the Boat Houses at night along the Schuylkill River. Best seen from the opposite side. -- Fred -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- place [hey] in your subject. There are inflows and outflows -- and you're just a little node. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
[gnhlug-announce] FYI: interesting speaking before the e-coast e-brew this month
Hi everyone, I thought some of us might be interested in attending this. The monthly e-coast e-brew will immediately follow the presentation. Thanks Lori Hitchcock -Original Message- From: Benjamin LaBolt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 9:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mouse Pads, Shoe Leather, and Hope Mousepads, Shoe Leather, and Hope The Dean for America campaign has become the greatest grassroots effort of the modern era. Through effective use of internet-based communication and organizing tools, the campaign has enabled supporters to become more involved and invested in its success. The results have been striking, as fundraising records are being broken, Governor Dean continues to lead in the polls, and tens of thousands of Americans are becoming involved in politics for the first time. On Thursday October 2nd, campaign manager Joe Trippi will speak to high-tech industry leaders from the Seacoast region about Dean for America's use of the internet as an organizing and communications tool. The discussion will include the tools and methods have enabled the campaign to grow expontentially and exceed expectations continually, as well as how these tools and methods may be applicable to innovative businesses. To join the discussion, please RSVP to Dean for America Seacoast Regional Director Ben LaBolt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and include your phone number and email address. Space is limited to the first 50 confirmed RSVPs. What: Discussion with Dean for America campaign manager Joe Trippi Where: Portsmouth Brewery, 56 Market Street When: 3:30 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Re: FYI: Comcast/Attbi users
Ok, what I find really funny is that a couple of months ago, I had an issue with my email and when I called, it was Comcast (as expected). The guy who assisted me informed me that everyone had already been sent email and snail mail correspondence. This was February, and I have STILL yet to see anything from them. Has anyone seen any such notification? It is supposed to have the changes you need to make, including new server names and such. If someone has received it, could they possibly post all of the new server names and whatnot that we will need? ( including POP, SMTP, and News servers). Thanks! Jeff Kirkland At 12:28 PM 4/2/2003 -0500, Bob Bell wrote: Don't ask; won't tell, but here's some info for Comcast/Attbi users. Please consider it a heads up and be cautious about contacting Comcast about it -- I don't want to get my source in trouble. CONFIDENTIAL: FOR COMCAST INTERNAL USE ONLY Overview: comcast.net domain migration update (Covered in the Field LOB meetings in detail this month) We are beginning the process of migrating all subs to the comcast.net domain and transitioning both Classic and New Comcast customers to the upgraded Comcast website and e-mail services. Customers will be still able to receive all e-mail sent to their attbi.com e-mail account through 2004, It's important for you to know that after they migrate the customers out-going Email will be sent from their new Comcast.net accounts. Mail addressed to either [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] will be transparently delivered to the same mailbox. During the transition we are reserving their [EMAIL PROTECTED] for them to begin using immediately after they complete the transition to Comcast High-Speed Internet as well as up to seven e-mail accounts (one more than they have now). A small group of customers may need to change their current username, but they will have the opportunity to select a new one. We will be sending more information to customer's attbi.com e-mail addresses in the coming weeks on how to easily set up and begin using their comcast.net e-mail accounts Dear ATT Broadband Internet customer, Welcome to Comcast. As the new company serving your Internet needs, we know we'll have to work hard to prove to you we are unlike any cable company you've ever had. Since 1963, Comcast has been proving just that to the people we serve all across the country. We've done it by focusing on one principle: commitment. Commitment to new products Commitment to better service Commitment to connecting our customers to more of the things they love most So you're going to be seeing some great changes very soon. For starters, we're going to provide you with an improved high-speed Internet experience. Comcast offers a lightning-fast, reliable connection; the same you've experienced with your ATT Broadband Internet service, combined with a host of new, exciting features and enhancements to make your Internet experience even better. We know your first concern may be about changing your e-mail address. That's why we've started off by making sure you will be able to receive all e-mail sent to your attbi.com e-mail account through 2004. At the same time, we'll reserve [EMAIL PROTECTED] for you to begin using immediately after you complete the transition to Comcast High-Speed Internet as well as up to seven e-mail accounts (one more than you have now). A small group of customers may need to change their current username, but they will have the opportunity to select a new one. We will send more information to your attbi.com e-mail address in the coming weeks on how to easily set up and begin using your comcast.net e-mail accounts. Stay tuned for more exciting feature announcements. Don't worry about going through this alone. We are working on automated tools to allow you to set up your new services in a snap. And when you need help, we'll be there. We have 24-hour/7-day-a-week live technical support, online e-mail and chat, and automated support tools. Now all these improvements will not happen overnight. It's going to take time. That's why we're already hard at work to ensure your Comcast High-Speed Internet experience is the best it can possibly be. We hope you'll give us a chance. Because in the end, we know we can change the way you think about your cable company. And we're not just saying that. We're going to prove it. (LINK TO COMCAST.NET ) Sincerely, Comcast Corporation ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
FYI for Yahoo users
I was recently made aware of Yahoo's use of Web Beacons that allow a web site to count users who have visited that page or to access certain cookies. If you use Yahoo, this may be of interest to you. More information and the ability to opt out are found at: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/pixels/details.html Some caution on opting out. Clicking the link takes you to a page that notifies you that you have successfully opted out. As well, there is a Cancel Opt-out button prominently displayed on that page that will *undo* this process. -Mike- = The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it -George Bernard Shaw __ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
RE: FYI for Yahoo users
-Original Message- From: Michael Costolo [mailto:mcostolo;yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 10:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FYI for Yahoo users I was recently made aware of Yahoo's use of Web Beacons that allow a web site to count users who have visited that page or to access certain cookies. If you use Yahoo, this may be of interest to you. More information and the ability to opt out are found at: http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/pixels/details.html Some caution on opting out. Clicking the link takes you to a page that notifies you that you have successfully opted out. As well, there is a Cancel Opt-out button prominently displayed on that page that will *undo* this process. More dismaying is their use of special properties of HTML mail to determine whether or not the mail is actually read. Obviously this is a tactic used by most spammers, so ideally a mail client is configured not to download HTML images automatically (except mine, which we've already established is a piece of junk... ;) Also annoying is that if you use Yahoo! mail or are subscribed to a Yahoo! group, you will need to accept certain Yahoo! cookies to use these features, and determining which cookies are actually necessary and which aren't is too much of a pain. So I have just conceded that Yahoo! is one network that will be able to track my movements on the net. Erik ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
RE: FYI for Yahoo users
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:pll;lanminds.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 12:41 PM To: Derek Martin Cc: Greater NH Linux User Group Subject: Re: FYI for Yahoo users In a message dated: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 12:12:58 EST Derek Martin said: At some point hitherto, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hath spake thusly: More information on this and other privacy-invading marketing tricks (and counter-measures you can employ) is available at the JunkBusters web site (http://www.junkbusters.com). One countermeasure you can exploit is your e-mail client's ability to not automatically display HTML mail. The other one I've used before is to set my e-mail client up to use a proxy server for HTML e-mail. I then set the proxy server IP to be that of 'localhost'. This allows me to read the HTML crap, but anything else in that e-mail which requires access to an external server gets redirected to my desktop system. The free mail client that comes with MacOS X has a setting to do this, basically. It [internally] renders the HTML, but doesn't fetch anything from the network. Just big boxes the size of the images, with the image names inside them. Of course, this is not enabled by default, so you have to explicitly set it this way. I like this except that when I get an email from someone I -do- trust, there's no handy shortcut button or contextual menu to download the images and objects for that particular email -- you have to change the setting back to the default, which is global to any email you open, and then turn it back to do not download images when you're done. Perhaps the next version of this software will come with a button to let you do this on a per-message basis. Erik ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: FYI for Yahoo users
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, at 12:12pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One countermeasure you can exploit is your e-mail client's ability to not automatically display HTML mail. Or to do minimal processing of HTML mail. Pine's HTML interpreter is pretty simple, and it doesn't retrieve images, store cookies, execute JavaScript, or do any of that other crap. Basically, it turns completely unreadable HTML garabage into barely readable text garbage. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, entity or | | organization. All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
RE: FYI for Yahoo users
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, at 1:39pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Using galeon, with preferences set to Load images - From current server only also eliminates this problem. I've found that the above breaks a lot of websites that legitimately put their images on more than one server. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, entity or | | organization. All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
