Re: [appengine-java] Re: Lightweight Best performing MVC framework - Recommendation

2011-01-07 Thread Ikai Lan (Google)
Yes, Play has a long initialization stage.

The reason I'm bringing it up now is because you can enable Always On to
reduce cold starts.

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On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:59 PM, Marcel Overdijk
marceloverd...@gmail.comwrote:

 Ikai,

 Do you have experience with Play framework on GAE.
 I looked at it and I noticed it uses Groovy for templating in the view
 layer.
 Sometime back I tried to use Groovy on GAE and it had performance
 impacts.

 Do you know Play suffers with longer (cold) startup of application,
 our first time view is accessed (which is probably the same).

 Cheers,
 Marcel


 On Dec 29 2010, 8:02 pm, Ikai Lan (Google) ikai.l
 +gro...@google.com wrote:
  Um ... those are like the opposite of lightweight.
 
  Here are some I like:
 
  Play Framework: probably the most underrated Java framework I've ever
 seehttp://www.playframework.org/
 
  Slim3: built for App Engine. Cons: kind of needs deep Eclipse
 integrationhttp://sites.google.com/site/slim3appengine/
 
  There are more. I'll post in a bit. What are other frameworks everyone
 else
  here likes?
 
  --
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  On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Nasif Noorudeen nas...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   spring  jsf
 
   On 12/29/10, Sree sreeju...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
 
I am new to Java and App Engine, and coming from ASP.NET C# and
Windows Azure world. I am looking for a lightweight  best performing
java based MVC framework.  I would like to migrate my ASP.NET MVC
project to App Engine (Java).
 
It would be great if you can share your experience.  I am open to
Python as well, but learning Java is faster than Python, since I am
good at C#.
 
Thanks in Advance.
 
Regards
Sree
 
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Re: [appengine-java] Re: Lightweight Best performing MVC framework - Recommendation

2011-01-07 Thread Gal Dolber
Probably

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Sreejumon KP sreeju...@gmail.com wrote:

 How about using GWT MVP in App Engine? Would it be better than rest of the
 MVC frameworks?

 Regards
 Sreejumon


 On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Ikai Lan (Google) 
 ikai.l+gro...@google.com ikai.l%2bgro...@google.com wrote:

 Yes, Play has a long initialization stage.

 The reason I'm bringing it up now is because you can enable Always On to
 reduce cold starts.

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 On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:59 PM, Marcel Overdijk 
 marceloverd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ikai,

 Do you have experience with Play framework on GAE.
 I looked at it and I noticed it uses Groovy for templating in the view
 layer.
 Sometime back I tried to use Groovy on GAE and it had performance
 impacts.

 Do you know Play suffers with longer (cold) startup of application,
 our first time view is accessed (which is probably the same).

 Cheers,
 Marcel


 On Dec 29 2010, 8:02 pm, Ikai Lan (Google) ikai.l
 +gro...@google.com wrote:
  Um ... those are like the opposite of lightweight.
 
  Here are some I like:
 
  Play Framework: probably the most underrated Java framework I've ever
 seehttp://www.playframework.org/
 
  Slim3: built for App Engine. Cons: kind of needs deep Eclipse
 integrationhttp://sites.google.com/site/slim3appengine/
 
  There are more. I'll post in a bit. What are other frameworks everyone
 else
  here likes?
 
  --
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  Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine
  Blogger:http://googleappengine.blogspot.com
  Reddit:http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine
  Twitter:http://twitter.com/app_engine
 
  On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Nasif Noorudeen nas...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   spring  jsf
 
   On 12/29/10, Sree sreeju...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
 
I am new to Java and App Engine, and coming from ASP.NET C# and
Windows Azure world. I am looking for a lightweight  best
 performing
java based MVC framework.  I would like to migrate my ASP.NET MVC
project to App Engine (Java).
 
It would be great if you can share your experience.  I am open to
Python as well, but learning Java is faster than Python, since I am
good at C#.
 
Thanks in Advance.
 
Regards
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Re: [appengine-java] Re: Lightweight Best performing MVC framework - Recommendation

2011-01-07 Thread Ikai Lan (Google)
GWT MVP is probably superior to pure GWT. I like GWT, but the programming
model better fits a rich UI than a webpage with a few simple XHR controls.

BTW, I think GWT Designer is *awesome*:

http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/tools/download-gwtdesigner.html

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On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Gal Dolber gal.dol...@gmail.com wrote:

 Probably


 On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Sreejumon KP sreeju...@gmail.com wrote:

 How about using GWT MVP in App Engine? Would it be better than rest of the
 MVC frameworks?

 Regards
 Sreejumon


 On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Ikai Lan (Google) 
 ikai.l+gro...@google.com ikai.l%2bgro...@google.com wrote:

 Yes, Play has a long initialization stage.

 The reason I'm bringing it up now is because you can enable Always On
 to reduce cold starts.

 --
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 On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:59 PM, Marcel Overdijk 
 marceloverd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ikai,

 Do you have experience with Play framework on GAE.
 I looked at it and I noticed it uses Groovy for templating in the view
 layer.
 Sometime back I tried to use Groovy on GAE and it had performance
 impacts.

 Do you know Play suffers with longer (cold) startup of application,
 our first time view is accessed (which is probably the same).

 Cheers,
 Marcel


 On Dec 29 2010, 8:02 pm, Ikai Lan (Google) ikai.l
 +gro...@google.com wrote:
  Um ... those are like the opposite of lightweight.
 
  Here are some I like:
 
  Play Framework: probably the most underrated Java framework I've ever
 seehttp://www.playframework.org/
 
  Slim3: built for App Engine. Cons: kind of needs deep Eclipse
 integrationhttp://sites.google.com/site/slim3appengine/
 
  There are more. I'll post in a bit. What are other frameworks everyone
 else
  here likes?
 
  --
  Ikai Lan
  Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine
  Blogger:http://googleappengine.blogspot.com
  Reddit:http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine
  Twitter:http://twitter.com/app_engine
 
  On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Nasif Noorudeen nas...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   spring  jsf
 
   On 12/29/10, Sree sreeju...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
 
I am new to Java and App Engine, and coming from ASP.NET C# and
Windows Azure world. I am looking for a lightweight  best
 performing
java based MVC framework.  I would like to migrate my ASP.NET MVC
project to App Engine (Java).
 
It would be great if you can share your experience.  I am open to
Python as well, but learning Java is faster than Python, since I
 am
good at C#.
 
Thanks in Advance.
 
Regards
Sree
 
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[appengine-java] Re: Lightweight Best performing MVC framework - Recommendation

2011-01-07 Thread fabianofranz
I'm performance freak and using a simple JSP / Servlets architecture 
together with Guice 3.0 is rocking. Currently serving 13,000 users and I 
don't pay a dime.  :)

Fabiano Franz
@fabianofranz

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[appengine-java] Re: Lightweight Best performing MVC framework - Recommendation

2011-01-06 Thread radomir
+1 for Stripes and Objectify

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[appengine-java] Re: Lightweight Best performing MVC framework - Recommendation

2011-01-06 Thread Marcel Overdijk
Ikai,

Do you have experience with Play framework on GAE.
I looked at it and I noticed it uses Groovy for templating in the view
layer.
Sometime back I tried to use Groovy on GAE and it had performance
impacts.

Do you know Play suffers with longer (cold) startup of application,
our first time view is accessed (which is probably the same).

Cheers,
Marcel


On Dec 29 2010, 8:02 pm, Ikai Lan (Google) ikai.l
+gro...@google.com wrote:
 Um ... those are like the opposite of lightweight.

 Here are some I like:

 Play Framework: probably the most underrated Java framework I've ever 
 seehttp://www.playframework.org/

 Slim3: built for App Engine. Cons: kind of needs deep Eclipse 
 integrationhttp://sites.google.com/site/slim3appengine/

 There are more. I'll post in a bit. What are other frameworks everyone else
 here likes?

 --
 Ikai Lan
 Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine
 Blogger:http://googleappengine.blogspot.com
 Reddit:http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine
 Twitter:http://twitter.com/app_engine

 On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Nasif Noorudeen nas...@gmail.com wrote:
  spring  jsf

  On 12/29/10, Sree sreeju...@gmail.com wrote:
   Hello,

   I am new to Java and App Engine, and coming from ASP.NET C# and
   Windows Azure world. I am looking for a lightweight  best performing
   java based MVC framework.  I would like to migrate my ASP.NET MVC
   project to App Engine (Java).

   It would be great if you can share your experience.  I am open to
   Python as well, but learning Java is faster than Python, since I am
   good at C#.

   Thanks in Advance.

   Regards
   Sree

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[appengine-java] Re: Lightweight Best performing MVC framework - Recommendation

2011-01-05 Thread jnizet
I use Stripes and am very happy about it.
You can see it in action at https://memwords.appspot.com, and browse
the code of this app at http://code.google.com/p/memwords/.
Interesting if you're interested in integrating Stripes with SiteMesh
(page templating) and Guice (dependency injection).

JB.

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[appengine-java] Re: Lightweight Best performing MVC framework - Recommendation

2011-01-03 Thread Roberto Saccon
+1 on slim3, it is MVC optimized for appengine, datastore engine includes 
the latest 1.4.0 async stuff, has even built-in JSON support.

http://sites.google.com/site/slim3appengine/Home

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Re: [appengine-java] Re: Lightweight Best performing MVC framework - Recommendation

2011-01-03 Thread Gal Dolber
+2 Slim3 datastore rocks! pure apt generated code, zero reflexion

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Roberto Saccon rsac...@gmail.com wrote:

 +1 on slim3, it is MVC optimized for appengine, datastore engine includes
 the latest 1.4.0 async stuff, has even built-in JSON support.

 http://sites.google.com/site/slim3appengine/Home

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[appengine-java] Re: Lightweight Best performing MVC framework - Recommendation

2011-01-03 Thread Henric Persson
We are using Struts 2 in a couple of projects (e.g. http://www.kanalnio.se). 
With a couple of tweaks (getting rid of struts.xml url mapping, using Guice 
for dependency injection) it actually works quite smoothly. 

I've also tried Play Framework and it's really easy to start with and 
straightforward. We moved away from PF due to scalability issues (our 
project grew to large and precompilation stopped working). However, this was 
during PF's early days and I'm sure they've fixed it now.


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[appengine-java] Re: Lightweight Best performing MVC framework - Recommendation

2011-01-03 Thread Eiichiro
Hi,

Now I've launched an application toolkit for Google App Engine Java
platform, Gig.
http://code.google.com/p/gig/

It includes full-stack application framework and development tools
built as Eclipse plugin.
How about this?


Eiichiro

On Dec 29 2010, 11:08 pm, Sree sreeju...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 I am new to Java and App Engine, and coming from ASP.NET C# and
 Windows Azure world. I am looking for a lightweight  best performing
 java based MVC framework.  I would like to migrate my ASP.NET MVC
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 It would be great if you can share your experience.  I am open to
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 Regards
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[appengine-java] Re: Lightweight Best performing MVC framework - Recommendation

2011-01-02 Thread systemsplanet
I've got http://www.stripesframework.org/
cold starting in under 2 secs
with http sessions enabled


On Dec 29, 9:08 am, Sree sreeju...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 I am new to Java and App Engine, and coming from ASP.NET C# and
 Windows Azure world. I am looking for a lightweight  best performing
 java based MVC framework.  I would like to migrate my ASP.NET MVC
 project to App Engine (Java).

 It would be great if you can share your experience.  I am open to
 Python as well, but learning Java is faster than Python, since I am
 good at C#.

 Thanks in Advance.

 Regards
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Re: [appengine-java] Re: Lightweight Best performing MVC framework - Recommendation

2011-01-02 Thread Vinny
For the Groovy inclined, I've been having a lot of fun learning Gaelyk:
http://gaelyk.appspot.com/
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On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:56 AM, Davi Nogueira davis...@gmail.com wrote:
 I like, VRaptor, http://vraptor.caelum.com.br/en/


 Icarus wrote:
 Stripes ?

 Thanks,
 Ic

 On Dec 30, 12:02 am, Ikai Lan (Google) ikai.l+gro...@google.com
 wrote:
  Um ... those are like the opposite of lightweight.
 
  Here are some I like:
 
  Play Framework: probably the most underrated Java framework I've ever 
  seehttp://www.playframework.org/
 
  Slim3: built for App Engine. Cons: kind of needs deep Eclipse 
  integrationhttp://sites.google.com/site/slim3appengine/
 
  There are more. I'll post in a bit. What are other frameworks everyone else
  here likes?
 
  --
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  Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine
  Blogger:http://googleappengine.blogspot.com
  Reddit:http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine
  Twitter:http://twitter.com/app_engineOn Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:49 AM, 
  Nasif Noorudeen nas...@gmail.com wrote:
   spring  jsf
 
   On 12/29/10, Sree sreeju...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
 
I am new to Java and App Engine, and coming from ASP.NET C# and
Windows Azure world. I am looking for a lightweight  best performing
java based MVC framework.  I would like to migrate my ASP.NET MVC
project to App Engine (Java).
 
It would be great if you can share your experience.  I am open to
Python as well, but learning Java is faster than Python, since I am
good at C#.
 
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[appengine-java] Re: Lightweight Best performing MVC framework - Recommendation

2011-01-02 Thread Lars Borup Jensen
+1 on Stripes. Extremely easy to setup and use - very powerfull and
performs quite well on GAE as its basically just a somewhat simple
filter/servlet and JSP with a stripes taglib though still, as I said,
powerfull.
I had to make a few adjustments to get it to serve @UrlBinding(/)
for example and I ALWAYS want it to exec controller before being
forwarded to any JSP files.

Regards, Lars Borup

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[appengine-java] Re: Lightweight Best performing MVC framework - Recommendation

2010-12-30 Thread Icarus
Stripes ?

Thanks,
Ic

On Dec 30, 12:02 am, Ikai Lan (Google) ikai.l+gro...@google.com
wrote:
 Um ... those are like the opposite of lightweight.

 Here are some I like:

 Play Framework: probably the most underrated Java framework I've ever 
 seehttp://www.playframework.org/

 Slim3: built for App Engine. Cons: kind of needs deep Eclipse 
 integrationhttp://sites.google.com/site/slim3appengine/

 There are more. I'll post in a bit. What are other frameworks everyone else
 here likes?

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 Blogger:http://googleappengine.blogspot.com
 Reddit:http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine
 Twitter:http://twitter.com/app_engineOn Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Nasif 
 Noorudeen nas...@gmail.com wrote:
  spring  jsf

  On 12/29/10, Sree sreeju...@gmail.com wrote:
   Hello,

   I am new to Java and App Engine, and coming from ASP.NET C# and
   Windows Azure world. I am looking for a lightweight  best performing
   java based MVC framework.  I would like to migrate my ASP.NET MVC
   project to App Engine (Java).

   It would be great if you can share your experience.  I am open to
   Python as well, but learning Java is faster than Python, since I am
   good at C#.

   Thanks in Advance.

   Regards
   Sree

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[appengine-java] Re: Lightweight Best performing MVC framework - Recommendation

2010-12-30 Thread Davi Nogueira
I like, VRaptor, http://vraptor.caelum.com.br/en/


Icarus wrote:
 Stripes ?

 Thanks,
 Ic

 On Dec 30, 12:02 am, Ikai Lan (Google) ikai.l+gro...@google.com
 wrote:
  Um ... those are like the opposite of lightweight.
 
  Here are some I like:
 
  Play Framework: probably the most underrated Java framework I've ever 
  seehttp://www.playframework.org/
 
  Slim3: built for App Engine. Cons: kind of needs deep Eclipse 
  integrationhttp://sites.google.com/site/slim3appengine/
 
  There are more. I'll post in a bit. What are other frameworks everyone else
  here likes?
 
  --
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  Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine
  Blogger:http://googleappengine.blogspot.com
  Reddit:http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine
  Twitter:http://twitter.com/app_engineOn Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:49 AM, 
  Nasif Noorudeen nas...@gmail.com wrote:
   spring  jsf
 
   On 12/29/10, Sree sreeju...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
 
I am new to Java and App Engine, and coming from ASP.NET C# and
Windows Azure world. I am looking for a lightweight  best performing
java based MVC framework.  I would like to migrate my ASP.NET MVC
project to App Engine (Java).
 
It would be great if you can share your experience.  I am open to
Python as well, but learning Java is faster than Python, since I am
good at C#.
 
Thanks in Advance.
 
Regards
Sree
 
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[appengine-java] Re: Lightweight Best performing MVC framework - Recommendation

2010-12-30 Thread Yegor
http://code.google.com/p/litemvc/

Before you read on, a disclaimer: I am biased as I am one of the
commiters to this project

- I have used litemvc with a fairly complex appengine application
- Really easy to integrate with Guice and Freemarker
- Follows Guice configuration philosophy, namely:
  * No XML
  * Java-based configuration, e.g.: map(/,
IndexHandler.class).templateResult(OK, /index.jsp);
- Follows convention-over-configuration for handlers:
  * Handlers are POJOs
  * No interfaces and no annotations
  * Handler method names == HTTP method names, e.g. get(), post()
  * URL regex groups are mapped to method parameters, e.g. map(/user/
(\\d+), ...) will pass group(1) to get(String userId)
  * Automatic injection of standard method parameters, such as
HttpServetRequest and HttpServletResponse

Cheers,

Yegor

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[appengine-java] Re: Lightweight Best performing MVC framework - Recommendation

2010-12-29 Thread nischalshetty
That was Struts 2, made a mistake in the spelling


-N

On Dec 30, 10:08 am, nischalshetty nischalshett...@gmail.com wrote:
 Strust 2 , just the default one, without putting in anything unwanted
 into it. I use it for m apphttp://justunfollow.comand seems to work
 well.

 -N

 On Dec 30, 12:02 am, Ikai Lan (Google) ikai.l+gro...@google.com
 wrote:







  Um ... those are like the opposite of lightweight.

  Here are some I like:

  Play Framework: probably the most underrated Java framework I've ever 
  seehttp://www.playframework.org/

  Slim3: built for App Engine. Cons: kind of needs deep Eclipse 
  integrationhttp://sites.google.com/site/slim3appengine/

  There are more. I'll post in a bit. What are other frameworks everyone else
  here likes?

  --
  Ikai Lan
  Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine
  Blogger:http://googleappengine.blogspot.com
  Reddit:http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine
  Twitter:http://twitter.com/app_engine

  On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Nasif Noorudeen nas...@gmail.com wrote:
   spring  jsf

   On 12/29/10, Sree sreeju...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,

I am new to Java and App Engine, and coming from ASP.NET C# and
Windows Azure world. I am looking for a lightweight  best performing
java based MVC framework.  I would like to migrate my ASP.NET MVC
project to App Engine (Java).

It would be great if you can share your experience.  I am open to
Python as well, but learning Java is faster than Python, since I am
good at C#.

Thanks in Advance.

Regards
Sree

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