Re: [h-cost] Corded petticoat conundrum
Carolann, thank you for the detailed analysis of your collection! This is so interesting -- I never knew such specialized fabric existed. Dede ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Corded petticoat conundrum
Back at the Reed Homestead... the ladies and I are pulling out old petticoats that have not yet been cataloged. Nancy Wexford never got to this pile. We cleaned a corded petticoat last week. Date-wise, we're guessing maybe... 1840s -1860s? That's what I wrote down, anyway. We have pieces that date back to the 1820s, so... ? Originals by Kay claims they worn into the 1880s. I've read many different tutorials on how to make a corded tutorial. I followed Elizabeth Stewart Clark's instructions and made my own. However, I've never seen anything like this described anywhere: The fabric was pre-corded at the factory; the cords were actually woven into the fabric. It was woven so that the top was cord-free and could be sewn to a waistband, and the bottom had the cord in sections so that tucks could be inserted in the cordless sections to determine finished length. The fabric was obviously intended for this purpose. We're in North Central Mass., so it's conceivable the fabric was made in a Lowell mill. Or not. I really have no clue. Has anyone ever heard of pre-corded fabric for petticoats? Dede ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corded petticoat conundrum
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Yes. I own an original petticoat made from manufactured corded fabric
and have information on several others. I also have patent information
on several designs of corded fabrics. My original has the cords in
groups, with the number of cords increasing from top to botton. While
a few women may have continued to wear corded petticoats after 1860,
my research indicates they fade from common use with the advent of the
steel crinoline. I'd be happy to discuss my research with you.
Carolann Schmitt
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Re: [h-cost] Corded petticoat conundrum
No, never heard of it, but I want some! Sharon C. -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of WorkroomButtons.com Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 8:20 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Corded petticoat conundrum Back at the Reed Homestead... the ladies and I are pulling out old petticoats that have not yet been cataloged. Nancy Wexford never got to this pile. We cleaned a corded petticoat last week. Date-wise, we're guessing maybe... 1840s -1860s? That's what I wrote down, anyway. We have pieces that date back to the 1820s, so... ? Originals by Kay claims they worn into the 1880s. I've read many different tutorials on how to make a corded tutorial. I followed Elizabeth Stewart Clark's instructions and made my own. However, I've never seen anything like this described anywhere: The fabric was pre-corded at the factory; the cords were actually woven into the fabric. It was woven so that the top was cord-free and could be sewn to a waistband, and the bottom had the cord in sections so that tucks could be inserted in the cordless sections to determine finished length. The fabric was obviously intended for this purpose. We're in North Central Mass., so it's conceivable the fabric was made in a Lowell mill. Or not. I really have no clue. Has anyone ever heard of pre-corded fabric for petticoats? Dede ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corded petticoat conundrum
Curious minds want to know: Is the cording in the warp or in the weft?
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Yes. I own an original petticoat made from manufactured corded fabric and have
information on several others. I also have patent information on several
designs of corded fabrics. My original has the cords in groups, with the number
of cords increasing from top to botton. While a few women may have continued
to wear corded petticoats after 1860, my research indicates they fade from
common use with the advent of the steel crinoline. I'd be happy to discuss my
research with you.
Carolann Schmitt
cschm...@genteelarts.com [1]
www.genteelarts.com [2]
Ladies Gentlemen of the 1860s Conference, March 6-9, 2014
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Re: [h-cost] Corded petticoat conundrum
Curious minds want to know: Is the cording in the warp or in the weft? That is an excellent question. As I was writing the description, it occurred to me that I don't remember. I will pull it out next time I'm there! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corded petticoat conundrum
We discovered one of these in our collection several years ago. I learned that Saundra Ros Altman wrote an article on these, Stick-Out Petticoats. It was in MIMCC Magazine, 1994, Vol. xv, no. 2. She did a search of patents, among other things. Ann Wass -Original Message- From: WorkroomButtons.com westvillagedrap...@yahoo.com To: Historical Costume h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Mon, Jun 17, 2013 1:35 pm Subject: Re: [h-cost] Corded petticoat conundrum Curious minds want to know: Is the cording in the warp or in the weft? That is an excellent question. As I was writing the description, it occurred to me that I don't remember. I will pull it out next time I'm there! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corded petticoat conundrum
The original I own has the cording in the weft. I've examined other originals that had the cording either way. I'll check my spreadsheet his evening. - Sent from Carolann's iPad - On Jun 17, 2013, at 1:34 PM, WorkroomButtons.com westvillagedrap...@yahoo.com wrote: Curious minds want to know: Is the cording in the warp or in the weft? That is an excellent question. As I was writing the description, it occurred to me that I don't remember. I will pull it out next time I'm there! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Corded petticoat conundrum
I looked at my survey of six original corded petticoats. Four have the cords woven into the fabric; two have the cords sewn into the fabric. Of the four petticoats with woven cords: the cords are on the weft on three of them, on the warp on one of them. Details of the petticoat in my collection: Fabric - very finely woven cotton, 37.25 wide selvage to selvage Waist = 27.5 Length = 35 Circumference = 111.75 Three panels, selvage to selvage Seams: Plain, selvage to selvage Seam allowance = 1.5 mm Overhand seam, hand-sewn, 25 stitches/inch Opening: In-seam Fastening: Button and buttonhole; button torn off 134 tightly-twisted cotton cords, 1.5mm in diameter 24 at the bottom edge, woven side-by-side, folded in half for a hem; then 18 groups of 9 cords woven side-by-side, each group spaced .625 apart; then 38 single cords spaced .3875 apart. Distance from top cord to waist = 4.25 Regards, Carolann cschm...@genteelarts.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
