Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
Ooh, deeply glamourous! However, I've got a month exactly till the event, so a heavy beading project isn't gonna happen. I think I'm thinking of something summery with pinks and greens, but the black does sound yummy. Hmmm, maybe for next year. I look terrific in black. ;-) Something like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/Pure-Silk-Satin-Charmeuse-Fabric-Fairy-Lillies-Per-Yard_W0QQitemZ130126819853QQihZ003QQcategoryZ28158QQcmdZViewItem or http://tinyurl.com/33bbjr Or possibly that for the under dress and a solid green for the tunic, if I can find the right color. Or maybe the other way around. Thanks for the idea! MaggiRos --- Kathy Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MaggiRos, Personally, I envision this one in black chiffon with both jet and iridescent black beading, both tube and round beads. Go for a scrolling pattern for the beads, keep the really heavy stuff away from the edge of the hems to keep it moving softly. Only a thing line of them at the hem to frame it. Concentrate the sparkly bits between knee and thigh to get maximum light, as the black on black might be lost. Same with the bodice, put the most work into where the light will catch it - across the chest and centre front. Go utterly crazy on the girdle where it will take the weight. You might even find a patterned chiffon out there to get you started. Kathy ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
Nice fabric choice, very summery. Would work for both evening and a garden party or tea Katy On 7/5/07, MaggiRos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ooh, deeply glamourous! However, I've got a month exactly till the event, so a heavy beading project isn't gonna happen. I think I'm thinking of something summery with pinks and greens, but the black does sound yummy. Hmmm, maybe for next year. I look terrific in black. ;-) Something like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/Pure-Silk-Satin-Charmeuse-Fabric-Fairy-Lillies-Per-Yard_W0QQitemZ130126819853QQihZ003QQcategoryZ28158QQcmdZViewItem or http://tinyurl.com/33bbjr Or possibly that for the under dress and a solid green for the tunic, if I can find the right color. Or maybe the other way around. Thanks for the idea! MaggiRos --- Kathy Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MaggiRos, Personally, I envision this one in black chiffon with both jet and iridescent black beading, both tube and round beads. Go for a scrolling pattern for the beads, keep the really heavy stuff away from the edge of the hems to keep it moving softly. Only a thing line of them at the hem to frame it. Concentrate the sparkly bits between knee and thigh to get maximum light, as the black on black might be lost. Same with the bodice, put the most work into where the light will catch it - across the chest and centre front. Go utterly crazy on the girdle where it will take the weight. You might even find a patterned chiffon out there to get you started. Kathy ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
How about making the tunic out of lace and add a few pearls, pink, green and clear beads to spots. De -Original Message- Ooh, deeply glamourous! However, I've got a month exactly till the event, so a heavy beading project isn't gonna happen. I think I'm thinking of something summery with pinks and greens, but the black does sound yummy. Hmmm, maybe for next year. I look terrific in black. ;-) Something like this: http://tinyurl.com/33bbjr Or possibly that for the under dress and a solid green for the tunic, if I can find the right color. Or maybe the other way around. Thanks for the idea! MaggiRos --- Kathy Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MaggiRos, Personally, I envision this one in black chiffon with both jet and iridescent black beading, both tube and round beads. Go for a scrolling pattern for the beads, keep the really heavy stuff away from the edge of the hems to keep it moving softly. Only a thing line of them at the hem to frame it. Concentrate the sparkly bits between knee and thigh to get maximum light, as the black on black might be lost. Same with the bodice, put the most work into where the light will catch it - across the chest and centre front. Go utterly crazy on the girdle where it will take the weight. You might even find a patterned chiffon out there to get you started. Kathy ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
In a message dated 7/5/2007 4:49:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about making the tunic out of lace and add a few pearls, pink, green and clear beads to spots. ** And of course they make the most opulent already embroidered / beaded / beribboned fabrics in a host of colors. They are expensive, but when the pattern and cutting and form are so simple, you need a great fabric to make is luxurious. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
That would be terrific, but again, there's a time constraint. The black stuff I just ordered, though will probably lend itself to some accent beads. Thanks for the inspiration! MaggiRos the Elizabethan --- otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about making the tunic out of lace and add a few pearls, pink, green and clear beads to spots. De ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
I've found a green that will go under it perfectly. It will also go under the embroidered black, so I'm going to go for it and do both! Mwahahaha. Two totally different looks off the same idea I'm feeling fairly evil, but it's payday, and I don't do this kind of thing very often. No honest. I swear. Not in silk. Never. Uh hunh, MaggiRos --- Katy Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice fabric choice, very summery. Would work for both evening and a garden party or tea Katy On 7/5/07, MaggiRos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ooh, deeply glamourous! However, I've got a month exactly till the event, so a heavy beading project isn't gonna happen. I think I'm thinking of something summery with pinks and greens, but the black does sound yummy. Hmmm, maybe for next year. I look terrific in black. ;-) Something like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/Pure-Silk-Satin-Charmeuse-Fabric-Fairy-Lillies-Per-Yard_W0QQitemZ130126819853QQihZ003QQcategoryZ28158QQcmdZViewItem or http://tinyurl.com/33bbjr Or possibly that for the under dress and a solid green for the tunic, if I can find the right color. Or maybe the other way around. Thanks for the idea! MaggiRos --- Kathy Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MaggiRos, Personally, I envision this one in black chiffon with both jet and iridescent black beading, both tube and round beads. Go for a scrolling pattern for the beads, keep the really heavy stuff away from the edge of the hems to keep it moving softly. Only a thing line of them at the hem to frame it. Concentrate the sparkly bits between knee and thigh to get maximum light, as the black on black might be lost. Same with the bodice, put the most work into where the light will catch it - across the chest and centre front. Go utterly crazy on the girdle where it will take the weight. You might even find a patterned chiffon out there to get you started. Kathy ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
I'm totally in love with this one, but I don't think it will go with the pink/green charmeuse. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=013sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AITviewitem=item=230147316386rd=1rd=1#ebayphotohosting or http://tinyurl.com/2pvtf4 Oh I'm all in a dither. I've got to pick something and start or it won't happen at all! MaggiRos the twitterpated --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/5/2007 4:49:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about making the tunic out of lace and add a few pearls, pink, green and clear beads to spots. ** And of course they make the most opulent already embroidered / beaded / beribboned fabrics in a host of colors. They are expensive, but when the pattern and cutting and form are so simple, you need a great fabric to make is luxurious. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
MaggiRos, Personally, I envision this one in black chiffon with both jet and iridescent black beading, both tube and round beads. Go for a scrolling pattern for the beads, keep the really heavy stuff away from the edge of the hems to keep it moving softly. Only a thing line of them at the hem to frame it. Concentrate the sparkly bits between knee and thigh to get maximum light, as the black on black might be lost. Same with the bodice, put the most work into where the light will catch it - across the chest and centre front. Go utterly crazy on the girdle where it will take the weight. You might even find a patterned chiffon out there to get you started. Kathy OK, 20s, I can go with that. Colors? Fabric suggestions? Websites that don't require a subscription? I'm not committed to perfect accuracy but I'd like to be in the ballpark for whatever date the dress is trying to be, and make a pretty, wearable dress. MaggiRos Ermine, a lion rampant tail nowed gules charged on the shoulder with a rose Or barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved vert (Fieldless) On a rose Or barbed vert a lions head erased gules. It’s never too late to be who you might have been. -George Eliot Tosach eólais imchomarc. - Questioning is the beginning of knowledge. Where the spirit does not work with the hand, there is no art. -Leonardo da Vinci Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
MaggiRos, I think we've talked about this pattern once before, when it first came out, and I remember that it's not very period. I looked at the pattern and the bodice, skirt and belt are three separate pieces made up to look like a dress. It would be easier to make a dress. From the GBACG Great Pattern Review: #4093 - Making History: Tunic, Gown Girdle circa 1914 Caren Johannes - Recommended with reservations. I'm an experienced sewer but, I haven't sewn anything complicated in years. This dress was fairly easy. It's probably not accurate, as are many of the patterns in the Making History series. I couldn't find any dresses from the period that resembled this when I researched it. The abbreviated, awful instructions found in too many Butterick patterns are here in force. Even worse, several of the illustrations are incorrect or unclear. The pattern calls for 60-inch wide fabric for the outer tunic, and they mean it because the tunic pattern won't fit on the fabric! You can use 45-inch wide material for the tunic but. you'll have a seam down the front which actually may help with fit and prevent the tunic shoulders from drooping. Several careful fittings during construction are a must. Ignore the instructions on seaming the sleeves together if you're using sheer fabric; you're better off using French seams. If you have heavy upper arms, you may have to cut the sleeves larger at the shoulder. I used a satin and didn't bother to add the trim called for at the bottom of the tunic, as the pattern construction makes a self trim ribbon. Carin's was the only review of this pattern. There's got to be something better out there, unless you're really hooked into the lower waisted dress. JoAnnPeterson's high-waisted dress of the same period would look great on you. Folkware has their own dress of the same time. Hope some of that helps. See you in a few weeks, Lynn On 7/3/07, Cin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MaggiRos, That seems like a remarkably low waist line for 1914. The W should be quite high, right under the bosom the shape generally columnar. As for what that is, um, dunno, but I'd bet it'd look lovely in something strongly colored; perhaps a wispy chiffon over charmeuse? An encrustation of beads? Embroidered lace? Metallic lace? --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi all, I'm in over my head again, although the pattern itself isn't the problem. I want to do this Butterick historical (1914, they say) dress for Costume College in August, http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093page=1 But I don't know anything about this period, realy. So what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk seems perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? I'm not really a pale and watery sort of person, as some of you know. :-) MaggiRos ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
This pattern is similar to the early 1920s. The semi low waistline and the handkerchief style overskirt. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
Lynnie, I don't think you're talking about the same pattern, although I see the pattern number in the review is the same. But it's hardly a bodice and skirt. There's an underdress (gown) cut on the fold of 45 fabric, and the overdress (tunic) cut on the fold of 60 fabric. The girdle does look like it rides below the hips, I'll grant you, but that's what creates such waist as it has. The trim is beaded ribbon, not self trim, although there is some self-facing at the neckline. The sleeves just fall from the shoulder, open along the top. No seaming that I can see. Maybe it's been revised since that review? Or maybe it's more complicated than it looks, Butterick is notorious for leaving things out. I may not have been reading the list when the pattern came out, but it's certainly not complicated. I'm not in search of a low waist especially--not with my waist! I just liked the look of the outfit, and the pieces look adaptable to other things. I think. Maybe I should just stick to the 16th century. Maggie --- Lynn Downward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MaggiRos, I think we've talked about this pattern once before, when it first came out, and I remember that it's not very period. I looked at the pattern and the bodice, skirt and belt are three separate pieces made up to look like a dress. It would be easier to make a dress. From the GBACG Great Pattern Review: #4093 - Making History: Tunic, Gown Girdle circa 1914 Caren Johannes - Recommended with reservations. I'm an experienced sewer but, I haven't sewn anything complicated in years. This dress was fairly easy. It's probably not accurate, as are many of the patterns in the Making History series. I couldn't find any dresses from the period that resembled this when I researched it. The abbreviated, awful instructions found in too many Butterick patterns are here in force. Even worse, several of the illustrations are incorrect or unclear. The pattern calls for 60-inch wide fabric for the outer tunic, and they mean it because the tunic pattern won't fit on the fabric! You can use 45-inch wide material for the tunic but. you'll have a seam down the front which actually may help with fit and prevent the tunic shoulders from drooping. Several careful fittings during construction are a must. Ignore the instructions on seaming the sleeves together if you're using sheer fabric; you're better off using French seams. If you have heavy upper arms, you may have to cut the sleeves larger at the shoulder. I used a satin and didn't bother to add the trim called for at the bottom of the tunic, as the pattern construction makes a self trim ribbon. Carin's was the only review of this pattern. There's got to be something better out there, unless you're really hooked into the lower waisted dress. JoAnnPeterson's high-waisted dress of the same period would look great on you. Folkware has their own dress of the same time. Hope some of that helps. See you in a few weeks, Lynn On 7/3/07, Cin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MaggiRos, That seems like a remarkably low waist line for 1914. The W should be quite high, right under the bosom the shape generally columnar. As for what that is, um, dunno, but I'd bet it'd look lovely in something strongly colored; perhaps a wispy chiffon over charmeuse? An encrustation of beads? Embroidered lace? Metallic lace? --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi all, I'm in over my head again, although the pattern itself isn't the problem. I want to do this Butterick historical (1914, they say) dress for Costume College in August, http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093page=1 But I don't know anything about this period, realy. So what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk seems perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? I'm not really a pale and watery sort of person, as some of you know. :-) MaggiRos ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093page=1 But I don't know anything about this period, realy. So what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk seems perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? I'm not really a pale and watery sort of person, as some of you know. :-) Oooh, that pattern is on my 'must make' list, too. No, you don't have to use pale watery colors. Take a look at these prints from the period. Some are later than the teens, but you get the idea. Rich earth tones, black and red, some bold, contrasting prints. And this is the period when Rayon was developed as a silk substitute. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
I'd have to agree. When looking in my trusty Patterns of Fashion c 1860 - 1940 by Janet Arnold, the gowns pictured definitely have higher waists than the Butterick pattern--they almost look Victorian. The Butterick pattern gown more resembles the styles of the 1920's. Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net - Original Message - From: Cin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-cost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:16 PM Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 MaggiRos, That seems like a remarkably low waist line for 1914. The W should be quite high, right under the bosom the shape generally columnar. As for what that is, um, dunno, but I'd bet it'd look lovely in something strongly colored; perhaps a wispy chiffon over charmeuse? An encrustation of beads? Embroidered lace? Metallic lace? --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi all, I'm in over my head again, although the pattern itself isn't the problem. I want to do this Butterick historical (1914, they say) dress for Costume College in August, http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093page=1 But I don't know anything about this period, realy. So what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk seems perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? I'm not really a pale and watery sort of person, as some of you know. :-) MaggiRos ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
Maggie, I have this pattern and have material set aside for it. It is an early 1920s style, evening dress or can be a summer tea dress. The girdle top is at waist level. What I have found so far is that it would that you could make it in a darker color. I am not sure of what you mean by watery but if you mean flowy, then pretty much yes. There were some evening gown fabric that were a little stiff but not really that stiff. Velvets, silks, lace, chiffon, crepe What fabric/design(?) you could use for a tea dress. http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_474.htm dresses of the 1920s http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_591.htm http://www.vintagetextile.com/new_page_255.htm http://www.antiquedress.com/item4453.htm http://www.marquise.de/en/1900/pics/1920/192x_1.shtml http://www.marquise.de/en/1900/pics/1920/1924_2.shtml http://www.marquise.de/en/1900/pics/1920/1929_8.shtml http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/collection/database/?irn=35224 I plan on adding long sleeves to the gown. trim will be lace and pearls. I have Simplicity 4947 that is to go with the Butterick pattern for a full outfit. I do not plan on making the girdle but may make a purse that will go under the tunic and have a slit in the tunic for easy access. You do not have to have a 60 wide fabric for your tunic, you can use 45 and have a seam down the center or cut the pattern so that you will have princess seams and then cover over the seam with beadwork. Think of the tunic as your canvas and the gown the frame. De -Original Message- Hi all, I'm in over my head again, although the pattern itself isn't the problem. I want to do this Butterick historical (1914, they say) dress for Costume College in August, http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093page=1 But I don't know anything about this period, realy. So what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk seems perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? I'm not really a pale and watery sort of person, as some of you know. :-) MaggiRos ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
That pattern is just so not 1914 to me. It make me think of 1920s styles, or Norma Desmond (or Norma Desmond played by Carol Burnett :~). The waist in 1914, and for most of the 'teens for that matter was high or natural, it's not until the later 'teens that you get a slightly dropped waist. The shape of the over skirt is much more 1916-17. I have several pictures of evening dresses from the 'teens on my website: http://www.vintagevictorian.com/costume_1910.html I just love the 'teens, so many fun styles, and a different look for each year of the decade. I need to find the time to make a new dress for Newport's ragtime ball this year. Katy On 7/3/07, Lynn Downward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MaggiRos, I think we've talked about this pattern once before, when it first came out, and I remember that it's not very period. I looked at the pattern and the bodice, skirt and belt are three separate pieces made up to look like a dress. It would be easier to make a dress. From the GBACG Great Pattern Review: #4093 - Making History: Tunic, Gown Girdle circa 1914 Caren Johannes - Recommended with reservations. I'm an experienced sewer but, I haven't sewn anything complicated in years. This dress was fairly easy. It's probably not accurate, as are many of the patterns in the Making History series. I couldn't find any dresses from the period that resembled this when I researched it. The abbreviated, awful instructions found in too many Butterick patterns are here in force. Even worse, several of the illustrations are incorrect or unclear. The pattern calls for 60-inch wide fabric for the outer tunic, and they mean it because the tunic pattern won't fit on the fabric! You can use 45-inch wide material for the tunic but. you'll have a seam down the front which actually may help with fit and prevent the tunic shoulders from drooping. Several careful fittings during construction are a must. Ignore the instructions on seaming the sleeves together if you're using sheer fabric; you're better off using French seams. If you have heavy upper arms, you may have to cut the sleeves larger at the shoulder. I used a satin and didn't bother to add the trim called for at the bottom of the tunic, as the pattern construction makes a self trim ribbon. Carin's was the only review of this pattern. There's got to be something better out there, unless you're really hooked into the lower waisted dress. JoAnnPeterson's high-waisted dress of the same period would look great on you. Folkware has their own dress of the same time. Hope some of that helps. See you in a few weeks, Lynn On 7/3/07, Cin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MaggiRos, That seems like a remarkably low waist line for 1914. The W should be quite high, right under the bosom the shape generally columnar. As for what that is, um, dunno, but I'd bet it'd look lovely in something strongly colored; perhaps a wispy chiffon over charmeuse? An encrustation of beads? Embroidered lace? Metallic lace? --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi all, I'm in over my head again, although the pattern itself isn't the problem. I want to do this Butterick historical (1914, they say) dress for Costume College in August, http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093page=1 But I don't know anything about this period, realy. So what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk seems perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? I'm not really a pale and watery sort of person, as some of you know. :-) MaggiRos ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914
Well, doesn't look like anything I've ever seen from 1914. I designed a Three Penny Opera that was set in 1914to compliment the fox trots and 2 steps in the music...and so I researched that very year. The waist was at a high-natural line..kinda like the late 1820s or where men wore their pants in the 1950s...y'know, high but at the waist. Bodices usually had no darts of any kind. The backs would be narrow...almost fitted, even on a shirtwaist... and the fronts would be full, but not baggy like the pigeon breasted look of just before in the 1900s. Lots of raglan and dolman sleeves with narrow cuffsV necks and high collars. Skirts were gored usually and slightly flaring stopping at the ankle. Sometimes the front would be a single gore that was straight from the hips down and the back would be 2 goes that flared a bit. Evening things had a layering of shears effect with beading and embroidery, and skirts were sometimes curiously draped. When the war starts, military influences come into play, with things like large pockets with pleats and flaps, lots of buttons, and high boots, that lace up the front...a great look with a wool suit. Hats could be wide and flat but not as large as in the period before. The brim would often be oval with the long sides over the shoulders. And you see less stuff on them. Also a whole range of fez-like and novelty shapes of smaller hats appear. Hair is not short yet but often put up. Crimping is popular. It's a transitional period going out of La Belle Epoch into the 20's. You see all kinds of half-and-half combinations. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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OK, 20s, I can go with that. Colors? Fabric suggestions? Websites that don't require a subscription? I'm not committed to perfect accuracy but I'd like to be in the ballpark for whatever date the dress is trying to be, and make a pretty, wearable dress. MaggiRos --- Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd have to agree. When looking in my trusty Patterns of Fashion c 1860 - 1940 by Janet Arnold, the gowns pictured definitely have higher waists than the Butterick pattern--they almost look Victorian. The Butterick pattern gown more resembles the styles of the 1920's. Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net - Original Message - From: Cin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-cost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:16 PM Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 MaggiRos, That seems like a remarkably low waist line for 1914. The W should be quite high, right under the bosom the shape generally columnar. As for what that is, um, dunno, but I'd bet it'd look lovely in something strongly colored; perhaps a wispy chiffon over charmeuse? An encrustation of beads? Embroidered lace? Metallic lace? --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi all, I'm in over my head again, although the pattern itself isn't the problem. I want to do this Butterick historical (1914, they say) dress for Costume College in August, http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093page=1 But I don't know anything about this period, realy. So what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk seems perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? I'm not really a pale and watery sort of person, as some of you know. :-) MaggiRos ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Oh yes, I was looking at this site this morning. wonderful stuff. Thanks. MaggiRos --- Katy Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That pattern is just so not 1914 to me. It make me think of 1920s styles, or Norma Desmond (or Norma Desmond played by Carol Burnett :~). The waist in 1914, and for most of the 'teens for that matter was high or natural, it's not until the later 'teens that you get a slightly dropped waist. The shape of the over skirt is much more 1916-17. I have several pictures of evening dresses from the 'teens on my website: http://www.vintagevictorian.com/costume_1910.html ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I'll adjust my searches. Thanks Penny! --- Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This pattern is similar to the early 1920s. The semi low waistline and the handkerchief style overskirt. ~Fog is just a cloud that lacks the will to fly. Bill Bryson, A Short History of Practically Everything ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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MaggiRos, I made a dress similar to this pattern in a shimmery dark red. I was going to a Red Cross Ball in August, so I wanted it to look period with a modern twist. In our university's collection we have a black lace dress similar to this one. Pastels were worn in the summer in the early 1920s. We have some in the collection from the 1910s in nice peach shades. One has green piping and is very lovely. We have another dress of ecru netting with powder blue medallions. I would love to make a reproduction of that dress one day. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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For the general population, the waistline was at its normal placement in 1910-1911. By 1912-1914, the empire waist was fashionable. From 1910 to 1914 the waistline gradually moved up. In 1912, I have Ladies' Home Journal with the mid waistline. Delineator magazine shows the empire waist. I tell my students that during World War 1 ladies' fashion was kinda like the 1980s; a little bit of everything went on. It was fashion design gone wild. I personally like the WW1 fashions...very creative! I have 1916-1918 fashion plates of some of the same fashions that were worn in the 1980s. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com - Original Message - From: Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 I'd have to agree. When looking in my trusty Patterns of Fashion c 1860 - 1940 by Janet Arnold, the gowns pictured definitely have higher waists than the Butterick pattern--they almost look Victorian. The Butterick pattern gown more resembles the styles of the 1920's. Marjorie Marjorie Gilbert author of THE RETURN, a historical novel set Georgian England www.marjoriegilbert.net - Original Message - From: Cin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-cost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:16 PM Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 MaggiRos, That seems like a remarkably low waist line for 1914. The W should be quite high, right under the bosom the shape generally columnar. As for what that is, um, dunno, but I'd bet it'd look lovely in something strongly colored; perhaps a wispy chiffon over charmeuse? An encrustation of beads? Embroidered lace? Metallic lace? --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 09:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: MaggiRos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [h-cost] Out of my period again - 1914 To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi all, I'm in over my head again, although the pattern itself isn't the problem. I want to do this Butterick historical (1914, they say) dress for Costume College in August, http://www.butterick.com/item/B4093.htm?search=B4093page=1 But I don't know anything about this period, realy. So what colors and fabrics can anyone suggest? Silk seems perfect, but does it have to be pale and watery? I'm not really a pale and watery sort of person, as some of you know. :-) MaggiRos ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
