Re: [Haifux] NdisWrapper, anyone?

2009-01-20 Thread Eli Billauer

Hello again.


It may look as if I'm talking with myself here, but the truth is that I 
got several replies in private, again. This time the word was that 
NdisWrapper should be the last resource. So now I get it: I didn't ask a 
stupid question. I wanted to discuss shrimp salad recipes in a 
synagogue. Many of you make them at home, but nobody wants to admit that 
openly. ;)



So let's clam down about this, OK? NdisWrapper isn't against open source 
drivers, since it's a hack solution which can never install 
automatically: It requires finding the Windows files by hand. So for a 
distribution, only native drivers are to choose. But as an ad-hoc 
solution, it's fantastic. For those who want their computers working, 
that is.



Anyhow, thanks to those who tried to help. As I implied earlier, I don't 
really know why I began messing with wireless, since I don't have any 
use of it right now. The interesting issue for me was that a catch-all 
solution exists, even if it pollutes the kernel with yuck-yuck 
proprietary code.



So, to wrap this little saga up, I detail my own experience. Short 
version: It was easy.



---


First, I tried yum install ndiswrapper. Was that optimistic, or what? 
Not in Red Hat's repositories, it wasn't.



So I downloaded a tarball from 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ndiswrapper/ (that's the way I really 
like it).



And I ran yum install kernel-devel-2.6.25-14.fc9.i686 (just 
kernel-devel would be enough for those who are ready to upgrade their 
kernel at the same time). Would you believe that I ran a computer 
without its kernel sources on it?



And then simply make from the project's home directory. And make 
install as root. No, there was no autoconfigure.



And then


ndiswrapper -i Rt2500.inf


And the driver was installed:


[r...@rouge ~]# ndiswrapper -l
rt2500 : driver installed
   device (1814:0201) present (alternate driver: rt2500pci)


Are these guys nice or what? They actually tell me that I shouldn't need 
to work with their utility (assuming that the real driver is OK, which 
it isn't).



I should mention, that the card is a RaLink RT2500, which has drivers 
with several branches. (one of which was loaded automatically from the 
very beginning). There's also an official driver from Edimax.  So odds 
are, that I would get the thing working if I cared to try which one 
works. But really, that wasn't the point.



Thank you all, again.

   Eli


Eli Billauer wrote:


Hello again,

For the first time ever, I got several replies in private, and only 
one on-list. I think that means you asked a stupid question, but I 
wouldn't like to embarrass you in front of everyone.


So thanks to those who replied.

And I suppose I'll read the HOWTO and get the thingy working. Unless 
someone else thinks this is an interesting topic.


   Eli



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[Haifux] NdisWrapper, anyone?

2009-01-19 Thread Eli Billauer
Hello,


For some reason, which is beyond me, I decided to try my wireless card 
under FC9. It took me a couple of hours to realize that it's most likely 
a Linux driver issue (reading the sources of netplugd turned out helpful).


But that's not the issue. While trying to solve the problem, it occurred 
to me, that there is a utility named ndiswrapper, which allows Linux to 
use the Windows driver. I suppose it's a bit like mplayer using Windows' 
codec DLLs (give or take userspace vs. kernelspace?)


In other words: There is no such thing as no driver for Linux. At 
least not for wireless cards (or any network card?)


See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NdisWrapper


Question: Does anyone have any experience with this utility? Even 
better, can anyone give a step-by-step hands-on lecture on how to get 
the #%...@# card working?


Don't tell me to do it. I'm well over my quota of Haifux lectures.


Eli



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Re: [Haifux] NdisWrapper, anyone?

2009-01-19 Thread Adir Abraham
Hi Eli,

On 1/19/09, Eli Billauer e...@billauer.co.il wrote:



 Question: Does anyone have any experience with this utility? Even
 better, can anyone give a step-by-step hands-on lecture on how to get
 the #%...@# card working?


I have some experience and I can talk about it if it's desired, but before
that, you didn't tell us what's your WLAN card's model. In addition to that,
did you try working with Fedora 10 instead (or simply update FC9's kernel
via the update system of Fedora)? FC9 had some WLAN issues which were solved
in Fedora 10

Adir
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Re: [Haifux] NdisWrapper, anyone?

2009-01-19 Thread Eli Billauer

Hello again,

For the first time ever, I got several replies in private, and only one 
on-list. I think that means you asked a stupid question, but I wouldn't 
like to embarrass you in front of everyone.


So thanks to those who replied.

And I suppose I'll read the HOWTO and get the thingy working. Unless 
someone else thinks this is an interesting topic.


  Eli


On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Eli Billauer e...@billauer.co.il 
mailto:e...@billauer.co.il wrote:


Hello,

...


Question: Does anyone have any experience with this utility? Even
better, can anyone give a step-by-step hands-on lecture on how to get
the #%...@# card working?






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Re: [Haifux] NdisWrapper, anyone?

2009-01-19 Thread Yotam Medin i יותם מדיני
On the contrary, I replied personally, not to expose _my_ poor answer.
-- yotam

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Eli Billauer e...@billauer.co.il wrote:

 ...
 I think that means you asked a stupid question, but I wouldn't like to
 embarrass you in front of everyone.
 ...


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