Re: [Hardhats-members] How do I do a silent read?
In the case where you are not prompting for electronic signature code, then the following would work. Your example is using screen handling by invoking the ^XGF utilities. If you do not using the ^XGF utilities, then this would work: VAHS ANS=,EOFF=^%ZOSF(EOFF),EON=^(EON) VAHW !,Enter password: X EOFF F R X#1:60 Q:X=!'$T S ANS=ANS_X X EON W # X EOFF Enter password: ## VAHX EON VAHW ANS THIS IS A TEST - Original Message - From: Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 2:53 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] How do I do a silent read? That's something slightly different (and more specialized). The point of this API is that it allows you to promp the user for their electronic signature (something you, as a programmer, never would/should know) and verify that it is correct. It doesn't help if you want to do a password style read (i.e., with user input echoing as asterisks) and then get the cleartext value. But that's something you can do with XGF (the VistA equivalent of curses). --- steven mcphelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SIG^XUSESIG(): Verify Electronic Signature Code Reference Type Supported Category Electronic Signatures IA # 10050 Description This API requests and verifies the electronic signature code of the current user. Format SIG^XUSESIG(duz,x1) Input Parameters duz: (required) User number. Output Parameters x1: If the user entered the correct electronic signature code, the encrypted electronic signature code as stored in the NEW PERSON file (#200) is returned in x1. Otherwise, x1 is returned as NULL. Even though the Format above shows parameter passing, there is no parameter passing. Also, this call verifies the signed-on user's esig. - Original Message - From: steven mcphelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] How do I do a silent read? I am leaving for the airport. I will have to find it. It is in the Kernel Systems Manager documentation or the new Kernel programmer documentation. - Original Message - From: Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] How do I do a silent read? What API do you have in mind? The XGF utilities? Incidentally, here's some code I wrote to allow a user to enter ^ to interrupt a running process that's busy writing dots to the keyboard. It's not exactly what you want, but it shows how to read input one character at a time in a SAC compliant way and also turn echo on/off. (The lock statements are a kludge and shouldn't be needed.) WSTUP ; setup ;K DTOUT ;in case it is defined S CSLTMP=$NA(^XTMP(CSLVEN_MID)) D INITKB^XGF(*) X ^%ZOSF(EOFF) S TIMER=0,DELTA=1,DONE=0 S:+$G(TTW)'0 TTW=DTIME WLOOP; S YCHR=$$READ^XGF(1,1) ;R YCHR#1:1 ;S:$G(YCHR)[^ DONE=1 I '$D(DTOUT) S:$G(YCHR)=^ DONE=1 L [EMAIL PROTECTED]@(0):0 L [EMAIL PROTECTED]@(0) G:'$D(@CSLTMP@(0)) WLOOP2 L [EMAIL PROTECTED]@(0):0 S X=$P(@CSLTMP@(0),^,3) S:+X0 DONE=1 S:+X0 @CSLTMP@(TIMEFOUND)=$$NOW^XLFDT L [EMAIL PROTECTED]@(0) G:DONE WCLN WLOOP2 ; D:IO=IO(0) .W . ;a 1 sec. wait is built into the # read .;W:TIMER#2=0 . S:$D(DTOUT) YCHR= S:YCHR[^ X=0 G:YCHR[^ WCLN H DELTA S TIMER=TIMER+DELTA S:TIMER'TTW X=0 ;timeout G:TIMER'TTW WCLN G WLOOP Q WCLN ; D RESETKB^XGF X ^%ZOSF(EON) Q $G(X) --- steven mcphelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not just use the Kernel API for this purpose? - Original Message - From: Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Hardhats Sourceforge hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 11:13 PM Subject: [Hardhats-members] How do I do a silent read? Hey all, I want to ask for a password, and echo *'s How do I do this? I.e. for i=1:1:8 read *S write * gives: a*b*c*d*e*f*g*h* How do I hide the letters? Thanks Kevin P.S., what I really want to do is to compare the user's input to the electronic signiture code stored in the ELECTRONIC SIGNITURE CODE in file 200. Is there a Fileman way of doing this? I just want to ensure that the user knows
RE: [Hardhats-members] Dificulty with Fileman search
For the record, the comment about the cross-reference came from Greg Woodhouse. It just happened to be posted above my name from a previous post, making it look as if it were mine. To give a bit of perspective to the depth of Fileman; I have been working with it for nearly 20 years, starting with version 15 if I remember correctly. A couple of years ago I took Greg Kreis's intermediate class of FM for programmers. I learned at least 40 new things and that was just the intermediate class. My FM analogy is to a grand piano. A neophyte can plink out Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star. A casual user might play some pop tunes, but the maestro can produce a Bach concerto. The tool is capable of them all, the limitation is in the user. Also, if my memory serves me correctly again, my first class in FileMan was at a MUG convention in the late 80's and the instructor was umm... what was that guy's name oh, yeah... George Timson. :-) Thom H. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Timson Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 5:13 PM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Dificulty with Fileman search Thom says: | | Just a thought: I believe you could create a cross-reference that would | all you to search on this field, after all. | --- Holloway, Thomas (EDS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Yes, but SEARCH does not affect how the file is traversed. SORT tells FileMan how to go thru the file. Many times users can find everything they really need by SORTING. As in SORT BY: INTERNAL(ENTERED BY)=44 --George Timson --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95alloc_id396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Time to advance?
David's question on the MDC Revival thread is an opportunity for us to again address the question of forums or other means of categorizing the list threads. We are open to suggestions on how to make this list serve the different needs of a somewhat diverse group. Should we declare exactly what the list is for an curtail unrelated discussion? Should we establish major categories and encourage proper posting by category? Is this even worth discussing? David Sommers wrote: I'm curious. What exactly is discussed on this list? Is it pure M not related to VistA or does that come up as well? Mostly users of GTM? Etc etc. Also, I didn't know it was uga.edu GO DAWGS! Sorry - I'm BIG G, all the way. /David. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] CPOE May Introduce Medical Errors
Everyone, Someone more capable than myself needs to respond to this. And please mention that through VISTA the VA has processed more than 5,000,000 prescriptions without a single error. Or that in every single Performance Measure(Quality of Care), the National Committee for Quality Assurance ranks the VHA system above the Mayo Clinic, John Hopkins,Massachusetts General and every other non-VHA hospital. In every single category. Because of it's Comprehensive Healthcare Information System. Thanks, Tom Henderson http://www.modernphysician.com/news.cms?newsId=3261
Re: [Hardhats-members] New Cache.zip, etc., on 2-27-05
Nancy, I looked at the ftp site this morning, and only saw the one that was there from 2/27. Bob On Wed, 2005-03-09 at 18:24, Nancy Anthracite wrote: Every time I log in to the ftp site, it seems like there are new releases. I wonder what is new in this one? --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] BAPI32 files?
Chuck, Are these CPRS files? Kevin --- chuck5566 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been looking for the BAPI32.* files (.H, .BAS, etc.) like a blindfolded child whacking at a pinata. Uncle. Please, which file are they buried in. Thanks In Advance, Chuck (Chris, Dave, I know I owe you calls.) --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Dificulty with Fileman search
I would be interested in attending one. -- Bhaskar On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 07:04 -0800, Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Hey, Anyone interested in giving such a class at the upcoming VistA conference? Kevin --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Dificulty with Fileman search
No. Sorting is basically a matter of iterating through an index. If you only want one value, you can use the = syntax in the sort. Searching is considerably more flexible. George Timson's point was that sorting is often all you need if you just want records having a single index value. Unfortunately, I chose a field that wasn't indexed, hence the just a moment comment from Fileman. --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So are you saying that sorting by a single given value is the same as a search for that same single given value? Our intial discussion was how to create a set, which is done by create a template. Can that be done with this method? Thanks Kevin --- Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Select OPTION: PRINT FILE ENTRIES OUTPUT FROM WHAT FILE: NEW PERSON// 101 PROTOCOL (8304 entries) SORT BY: NAME// INTERNAL(CREATOR)= WITHIN INTERNAL(CREATOR)=36007, SORT BY: FIRST PRINT FIELD: NAME THEN PRINT FIELD: Heading (S/C): PROTOCOL LIST// START AT PAGE: 1// DEVICE: INCOMING TELNETRight Margin: 80// ...SORRY, I'M WORKING AS FAST AS I CAN... PROTOCOL LIST MAR 9,2005 19:58 PAGE 1 NAME CSL_AR_02_EV_GET_FUND CSL_AR_02_SU_GET_FUND etc. --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm lost... Kevin --- George Timson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thom says: | | Just a thought: I believe you could create a cross-reference that would | all you to search on this field, after all. | --- Holloway, Thomas (EDS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Yes, but SEARCH does not affect how the file is traversed. SORT tells FileMan how to go thru the file. Many times users can find everything they really need by SORTING. As in SORT BY: INTERNAL(ENTERED BY)=44 --George Timson --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members = A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. --Benjamin Disraeli Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. --Benjamin Disraeli Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products
Re: [Hardhats-members] Another oddity - scope of NEW in DSM
...why is the oddity in DSM? In the past I have discovered instances in which DSM was the only implementation of M in which the standard was correctly implemented. The 'oddity' was in all the other systems. Go figure ??? Not having a standard document at hand, I am wondering where in the standard is the 'programmer mode' mentioned at all. Regards, Richard. From: Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/03/10 Thu PM 04:36:15 GMT To: Hardhats hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] Another oddity - scope of NEW in DSM A co-worker just pointed out the following oddity that occurs in DSM, but not in Cache: N A S A=100 W A 100 N A S A=100 W A %DSM-E-UNDEF, undefined variable A -DSM-I-ECODE, MUMPS error code: M6 Reviewing sections 7.1.2.2 and 8.2.14 of the standard, it's not clear to me that the scoping rules in programmer mode are clearly defined. A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. --Benjamin Disraeli Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Another oddity - scope of NEW in DSM
Fair enough. By oddity I meant something that is different. I am NOT claiming that one implementation or the other is correct -- only that they are dfifferent. If there's room for intetrpretation here, that's at least food for thought when we consider reconstituting the MDC. Personally, I *LIKE* the ability to NEW variables in programmer mode when trying things out or making calls to other APIs. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...why is the oddity in DSM? In the past I have discovered instances in which DSM was the only implementation of M in which the standard was correctly implemented. The 'oddity' was in all the other systems. Go figure ??? Not having a standard document at hand, I am wondering where in the standard is the 'programmer mode' mentioned at all. Regards, Richard. From: Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/03/10 Thu PM 04:36:15 GMT To: Hardhats hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] Another oddity - scope of NEW in DSM A co-worker just pointed out the following oddity that occurs in DSM, but not in Cache: N A S A=100 W A 100 N A S A=100 W A %DSM-E-UNDEF, undefined variable A -DSM-I-ECODE, MUMPS error code: M6 Reviewing sections 7.1.2.2 and 8.2.14 of the standard, it's not clear to me that the scoping rules in programmer mode are clearly defined. A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. --Benjamin Disraeli Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. --Benjamin Disraeli Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: Re: [Hardhats-members] Dificulty with Fileman search
No, it doesn't have to be indexed, but sorting on a field that is not indexed is, of course, more expensive. That's all I meant. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that the FileMan 'sort' operation does not require that the field being used for the sort be an 'indexed' field. Did you mean 'index' in that sense, Greg? Regards, Richard. From: Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/03/10 Thu PM 03:46:23 GMT To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Dificulty with Fileman search No. Sorting is basically a matter of iterating through an index. If you only want one value, you can use the = syntax in the sort. Searching is considerably more flexible. George Timson's point was that sorting is often all you need if you just want records having a single index value. Unfortunately, I chose a field that wasn't indexed, hence the just a moment comment from Fileman. --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So are you saying that sorting by a single given value is the same as a search for that same single given value? Our intial discussion was how to create a set, which is done by create a template. Can that be done with this method? Thanks Kevin --- Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Select OPTION: PRINT FILE ENTRIES OUTPUT FROM WHAT FILE: NEW PERSON// 101 PROTOCOL (8304 entries) SORT BY: NAME// INTERNAL(CREATOR)= WITHIN INTERNAL(CREATOR)=36007, SORT BY: FIRST PRINT FIELD: NAME THEN PRINT FIELD: Heading (S/C): PROTOCOL LIST// START AT PAGE: 1// DEVICE: INCOMING TELNETRight Margin: 80// ...SORRY, I'M WORKING AS FAST AS I CAN... PROTOCOL LIST MAR 9,2005 19:58 PAGE 1 NAME CSL_AR_02_EV_GET_FUND CSL_AR_02_SU_GET_FUND etc. --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm lost... Kevin --- George Timson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thom says: | | Just a thought: I believe you could create a cross-reference that would | all you to search on this field, after all. | --- Holloway, Thomas (EDS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Yes, but SEARCH does not affect how the file is traversed. SORT tells FileMan how to go thru the file. Many times users can find everything they really need by SORTING. As in SORT BY: INTERNAL(ENTERED BY)=44 --George Timson --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members = A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. --Benjamin Disraeli Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small
Re: [Hardhats-members] Another oddity - scope of NEW in DSM
My co-worker (I'll have to try and entice him to join the list!) also pointed out that you can QUIT out of different levels in Cache to achieve the same effect. Again, my point is not to say that one platform is better or worse than the other, only to point out the implementation difference. Personally, I think programmer mode ought to be in the standard -- but what does this mean for compiled platforms like GT.M? --- Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fair enough. By oddity I meant something that is different. I am NOT claiming that one implementation or the other is correct -- only that they are dfifferent. If there's room for intetrpretation here, that's at least food for thought when we consider reconstituting the MDC. Personally, I *LIKE* the ability to NEW variables in programmer mode when trying things out or making calls to other APIs. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...why is the oddity in DSM? In the past I have discovered instances in which DSM was the only implementation of M in which the standard was correctly implemented. The 'oddity' was in all the other systems. Go figure ??? Not having a standard document at hand, I am wondering where in the standard is the 'programmer mode' mentioned at all. Regards, Richard. From: Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/03/10 Thu PM 04:36:15 GMT To: Hardhats hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Hardhats-members] Another oddity - scope of NEW in DSM A co-worker just pointed out the following oddity that occurs in DSM, but not in Cache: N A S A=100 W A 100 N A S A=100 W A %DSM-E-UNDEF, undefined variable A -DSM-I-ECODE, MUMPS error code: M6 Reviewing sections 7.1.2.2 and 8.2.14 of the standard, it's not clear to me that the scoping rules in programmer mode are clearly defined. A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. --Benjamin Disraeli Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. --Benjamin Disraeli Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. --Benjamin Disraeli Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Another oddity - scope of NEW in DSM
On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 09:23 -0800, Greg Woodhouse wrote: My co-worker (I'll have to try and entice him to join the list!) also pointed out that you can QUIT out of different levels in Cache to achieve the same effect. Again, my point is not to say that one platform is better or worse than the other, only to point out the implementation difference. Personally, I think programmer mode ought to be in the standard -- but what does this mean for compiled platforms like GT.M? I am not sure what you mean by compiled platforms like GT.M. It has a direct or interactive mode: bhaskark ~ 12:26pm 468: mumps -dir GTMN A S A=100 W A 100 GTMN A S A=200 GTMW A 200 GTMH bhaskark ~ 12:27pm 469: -- Bhaskar --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Another oddity - scope of NEW in DSM
I was unsure of what rules might apply to symbol table management in direct mode. It occured to me that the difference between Cache on and DSM could have been driven either by the desire to provide a new feature (not tying variable scope to line structure in programmer mode) or implementation considerations. --- Bhaskar, KS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 09:23 -0800, Greg Woodhouse wrote: My co-worker (I'll have to try and entice him to join the list!) also pointed out that you can QUIT out of different levels in Cache to achieve the same effect. Again, my point is not to say that one platform is better or worse than the other, only to point out the implementation difference. Personally, I think programmer mode ought to be in the standard -- but what does this mean for compiled platforms like GT.M? I am not sure what you mean by compiled platforms like GT.M. It has a direct or interactive mode: bhaskark ~ 12:26pm 468: mumps -dir GTMN A S A=100 W A 100 GTMN A S A=200 GTMW A 200 GTMH bhaskark ~ 12:27pm 469: -- Bhaskar --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. --Benjamin Disraeli Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Another oddity - scope of NEW in DSM
For what it's worth, in this case, MSM behaves the same as DSM. The programmer's shell Xecutes the command line, so of course, the implicit QUIT at the end of the line unstacks NEW'd variables. I like this feature because sometimes I want to save all variables while I DO something and then come back to examine local variables or resume some process. - Original Message - From: Bhaskar, KS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Another oddity - scope of NEW in DSM On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 09:23 -0800, Greg Woodhouse wrote: My co-worker (I'll have to try and entice him to join the list!) also pointed out that you can QUIT out of different levels in Cache to achieve the same effect. Again, my point is not to say that one platform is better or worse than the other, only to point out the implementation difference. Personally, I think programmer mode ought to be in the standard -- but what does this mean for compiled platforms like GT.M? I am not sure what you mean by compiled platforms like GT.M. It has a direct or interactive mode: bhaskark ~ 12:26pm 468: mumps -dir GTMN A S A=100 W A 100 GTMN A S A=200 GTMW A 200 GTMH bhaskark ~ 12:27pm 469: -- Bhaskar --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95alloc_id396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Any billing capability in VistA
Title: Message Is there any billing capability in VistA? Richard Sleeman, Project Manager/System Administrator Fairfax-Falls Church Community Services Board 703-324-7024 This message is intended for the use of the addressee and may contain information this is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law.If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you!
Re: [Hardhats-members] Time to advance?
In January 2003 Hardhats had 5 postings per day (average), in January 2004, 11 postings per day, and in the first month of the current year, 16 per day. This growth in activity is a positive sign, on the one hand. On the other hand it represents an increased burden to the reader whose interests may not embrace the entire range of subject matter discussed. Our identity as a virtual community for the worldwide users of the VISTA software implies that VistA forms the primary focus of community interest. However, since much of VistA is written in MUMPS, issues relating to the present and future of the MUMPS language enter into consideration. Platforms, e.g. Windows, Linux, VMS are also of interest, in how they support VistA or permit VistA to scale, etc. That said, other forums exist (or used to--I haven't kept up with them) dealing with the MUMPS language, independent of VistA. In my opinion, issues such as possible revival of the MDC or creation of an object-oriented MUMPS fit more comfortably into a broader-than-VistA context. Similarly I believe that many (not all) platform-oriented issues are of peripheral relevance to VistA interest. I like your idea of posting by category, Greg. This would provide a voluntary framework for disciplined posting, and also display a quick indicator to the reader of the general subject area being discussed. Possible categories include: Applications, Kernel/FileMan, VistA platforms, Public relations and community announcements, etc. Regardless of the particular categories chosen, Hardhats postings would be easier to read or filter if identified by category. Just a few years ago Hardhats seemed on the verge of fading away. The list had not yet acquired critical mass. Now it seems at some risk of going supercritical. Lloyd - Original Message - From: Greg Kreis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:03 AM Subject: [Hardhats-members] Time to advance? David's question on the MDC Revival thread is an opportunity for us to again address the question of forums or other means of categorizing the list threads. We are open to suggestions on how to make this list serve the different needs of a somewhat diverse group. Should we declare exactly what the list is for an curtail unrelated discussion? Should we establish major categories and encourage proper posting by category? Is this even worth discussing? David Sommers wrote: I'm curious. What exactly is discussed on this list? Is it pure M not related to VistA or does that come up as well? Mostly users of GTM? Etc etc. Also, I didn't know it was uga.edu GO DAWGS! Sorry - I'm BIG G, all the way. /David. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] Xdialog, dialog, m2web
On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 09:43 -0600, John Leo Zimmer wrote:
[KSB2] ...snip...
[KSB] Try something like:
export DIALOG=${DIALOG:=`which Xdialog`} ; if [[ -z $DIALOG ]] ;
then export DIALOG=`which dialog` ; fi
and in your script use $DIALOG as the program to use. Now that I
think about it, a construct like the following might be even better:
if [[ -z $DISPLAY ]] ; then export DIALOG=`which dialog` ; else ...
; fi
[jlz] OK, Thanks. That's what I needed. This works to test for both X and
Xdialog.
##
if [[ -z $DISPLAY ]] ; then dialog --infobox X not running 0 0 ;
$vista_source/dvista ; exit 1
fi
export XDIALOG=`which Xdialog`
if [[ -z $XDIALOG ]] ; then dialog --msgbox Xdialog not installed 0 0 ;
$vista_source/dvista ; exit 1
fi
##
Try this (just 3 lines; watch out for line breaks):
export DIALOG=`which Xdialog`
if [[ -z $DIALOG || -z $DISPLAY ]] ; then export DIALOG=`which dialog` ;
fi
$DIALOG --title Dialog Chooser Demo --infobox Using $DIALOG 0 0
Sometime, I should probably update the vista script to allow dialog.
But Xdialog has more visual appeal.
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Dificulty with Fileman search
You will still get the 'just a moment' message if the field is indexed and you use the = syntax. To make the best use of the index, specify the field and put in the same value for 'start with' and 'goto'. Greg Woodhouse wrote: No. "Sorting" is basically a matter of iterating through an index. If you only want one value, you can use the "=" syntax in the sort. Searching is considerably more flexible. George Timson's point was that sorting is often all you need if you just want records having a single index value. Unfortunately, I chose a field that wasn't indexed, hence the "just a moment" comment from Fileman. --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So are you saying that sorting by a single given value is the same as a search for that same single given value? Our intial discussion was how to create a "set", which is done by create a template. Can that be done with this method? Thanks Kevin --- Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Select OPTION: PRINT FILE ENTRIES OUTPUT FROM WHAT FILE: NEW PERSON// 101 PROTOCOL (8304 entries) SORT BY: NAME// INTERNAL(CREATOR)= WITHIN INTERNAL(CREATOR)=36007, SORT BY: FIRST PRINT FIELD: NAME THEN PRINT FIELD: Heading (S/C): PROTOCOL LIST// START AT PAGE: 1// DEVICE: INCOMING TELNETRight Margin: 80// ...SORRY, I'M WORKING AS FAST AS I CAN... PROTOCOL LIST MAR 9,2005 19:58 PAGE 1 NAME CSL_AR_02_EV_GET_FUND CSL_AR_02_SU_GET_FUND etc. --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm lost... Kevin --- George Timson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thom says: | | Just a thought: I believe you could create a cross-reference that would | all you to search on this field, after all. | --- "Holloway, Thomas (EDS)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Yes, but SEARCH does not affect how the file is traversed. SORT tells FileMan how to go thru the file. Many times users can find everything they really need by SORTING. As in SORT BY: INTERNAL(ENTERED BY)=44 --George Timson --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members = A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. --Benjamin Disraeli Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which
Re: [Hardhats-members] Any billing capability in VistA
There have been some patches added quite recently that extract the data needed for clearing houses to process bills from VistA. There is some software that is within the Indian Health Service software that might be able to use that data to prepare a HIPAA compliant electronic submission. However, there is no one working on creating that connection between the VAs software and the IHS software that I know about at the moment. Perhaps you would like to try it? On Thursday 10 March 2005 01:06 pm, Sleeman, Richard wrote: Is there any billing capability in VistA? Richard Sleeman, Project Manager/System Administrator Fairfax-Falls Church Community Services Board 703-324-7024 This message is intended for the use of the addressee and may contain information this is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you! -- Nancy Anthracite --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] A Model Patient Record System in FCW
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Re: [Hardhats-members] Time to advance?
It would be nice if we had threads etc, with topics etc, like some bulletin boards have. The problem is that many like to get the posts as email. Kevin --- Lloyd Milligan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In January 2003 Hardhats had 5 postings per day (average), in January 2004, 11 postings per day, and in the first month of the current year, 16 per day. This growth in activity is a positive sign, on the one hand. On the other hand it represents an increased burden to the reader whose interests may not embrace the entire range of subject matter discussed. Our identity as a virtual community for the worldwide users of the VISTA software implies that VistA forms the primary focus of community interest. However, since much of VistA is written in MUMPS, issues relating to the present and future of the MUMPS language enter into consideration. Platforms, e.g. Windows, Linux, VMS are also of interest, in how they support VistA or permit VistA to scale, etc. That said, other forums exist (or used to--I haven't kept up with them) dealing with the MUMPS language, independent of VistA. In my opinion, issues such as possible revival of the MDC or creation of an object-oriented MUMPS fit more comfortably into a broader-than-VistA context. Similarly I believe that many (not all) platform-oriented issues are of peripheral relevance to VistA interest. I like your idea of posting by category, Greg. This would provide a voluntary framework for disciplined posting, and also display a quick indicator to the reader of the general subject area being discussed. Possible categories include: Applications, Kernel/FileMan, VistA platforms, Public relations and community announcements, etc. Regardless of the particular categories chosen, Hardhats postings would be easier to read or filter if identified by category. Just a few years ago Hardhats seemed on the verge of fading away. The list had not yet acquired critical mass. Now it seems at some risk of going supercritical. Lloyd - Original Message - From: Greg Kreis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:03 AM Subject: [Hardhats-members] Time to advance? David's question on the MDC Revival thread is an opportunity for us to again address the question of forums or other means of categorizing the list threads. We are open to suggestions on how to make this list serve the different needs of a somewhat diverse group. Should we declare exactly what the list is for an curtail unrelated discussion? Should we establish major categories and encourage proper posting by category? Is this even worth discussing? David Sommers wrote: I'm curious. What exactly is discussed on this list? Is it pure M not related to VistA or does that come up as well? Mostly users of GTM? Etc etc. Also, I didn't know it was uga.edu GO DAWGS! Sorry - I'm BIG G, all the way. /David. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Dificulty with Fileman search
While we are on the topic of sorting etc, can someone explain how the START WITH option works. Everytime I put something in this field, I get back no records. What do I put there? Kevin --- Greg Kreis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You will still get the 'just a moment' message if the field is indexed and you use the = syntax. To make the best use of the index, specify the field and put in the same value for 'start with' and 'goto'. Greg Woodhouse wrote: No. Sorting is basically a matter of iterating through an index. If you only want one value, you can use the = syntax in the sort. Searching is considerably more flexible. George Timson's point was that sorting is often all you need if you just want records having a single index value. Unfortunately, I chose a field that wasn't indexed, hence the just a moment comment from Fileman. --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So are you saying that sorting by a single given value is the same as a search for that same single given value? Our intial discussion was how to create a set, which is done by create a template. Can that be done with this method? Thanks Kevin --- Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Select OPTION: PRINT FILE ENTRIES OUTPUT FROM WHAT FILE: NEW PERSON// 101 PROTOCOL (8304 entries) SORT BY: NAME// INTERNAL(CREATOR)= WITHIN INTERNAL(CREATOR)=36007, SORT BY: FIRST PRINT FIELD: NAME THEN PRINT FIELD: Heading (S/C): PROTOCOL LIST// START AT PAGE: 1// DEVICE: INCOMING TELNETRight Margin: 80// ...SORRY, I'M WORKING AS FAST AS I CAN... PROTOCOL LIST MAR 9,2005 19:58 PAGE 1 NAME CSL_AR_02_EV_GET_FUND CSL_AR_02_SU_GET_FUND etc. --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm lost... Kevin --- George Timson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thom says: | | Just a thought: I believe you could create a cross-reference that would | all you to search on this field, after all. | --- Holloway, Thomas (EDS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Yes, but SEARCH does not affect how the file is traversed. SORT tells FileMan how to go thru the file. Many times users can find everything they really need by SORTING. As in SORT BY: INTERNAL(ENTERED BY)=44 --George Timson --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members = A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. --Benjamin Disraeli Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] === message truncated === __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Dificulty with Fileman search
I just created an option with a name beginning with PRCV. If I wanted a list of all of them, I could do this: Select VA FileMan Option: Print File Entries OUTPUT FROM WHAT FILE: COTS INVENTORY SUBSCRIPTION CONTROL// 19 OPTION (13283 entries) SORT BY: NAME// START WITH NAME: FIRST// PRCV GO TO NAME: LAST// PRCVZZZ WITHIN NAME, SORT BY: FIRST PRINT FIELD: NAME THEN PRINT FIELD: Heading (S/C): OPTION LIST// START AT PAGE: 1// DEVICE: INCOMING TELNETRight Margin: 80// OPTION LISTMAR 10,2005 19:01 PAGE 1 NAME PRCV FCP MONITOR Press RETURN to continue... --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While we are on the topic of sorting etc, can someone explain how the START WITH option works. Everytime I put something in this field, I get back no records. What do I put there? Kevin --- Greg Kreis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You will still get the 'just a moment' message if the field is indexed and you use the = syntax. To make the best use of the index, specify the field and put in the same value for 'start with' and 'goto'. Greg Woodhouse wrote: No. Sorting is basically a matter of iterating through an index. If you only want one value, you can use the = syntax in the sort. Searching is considerably more flexible. George Timson's point was that sorting is often all you need if you just want records having a single index value. Unfortunately, I chose a field that wasn't indexed, hence the just a moment comment from Fileman. --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So are you saying that sorting by a single given value is the same as a search for that same single given value? Our intial discussion was how to create a set, which is done by create a template. Can that be done with this method? Thanks Kevin --- Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Select OPTION: PRINT FILE ENTRIES OUTPUT FROM WHAT FILE: NEW PERSON// 101 PROTOCOL (8304 entries) SORT BY: NAME// INTERNAL(CREATOR)= WITHIN INTERNAL(CREATOR)=36007, SORT BY: FIRST PRINT FIELD: NAME THEN PRINT FIELD: Heading (S/C): PROTOCOL LIST// START AT PAGE: 1// DEVICE: INCOMING TELNETRight Margin: 80// ...SORRY, I'M WORKING AS FAST AS I CAN... PROTOCOL LIST MAR 9,2005 19:58 PAGE 1 NAME CSL_AR_02_EV_GET_FUND CSL_AR_02_SU_GET_FUND etc. --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm lost... Kevin --- George Timson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thom says: | | Just a thought: I believe you could create a cross-reference that would | all you to search on this field, after all. | --- Holloway, Thomas (EDS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Yes, but SEARCH does not affect how the file is traversed. SORT tells FileMan how to go thru the file. Many times users can find everything they really need by SORTING. As in SORT BY: INTERNAL(ENTERED BY)=44 --George Timson --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members = A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. --Benjamin Disraeli Greg Woodhouse
Re: [Hardhats-members] How do I do a silent read?
I just tried this function out, and it is not like the text outlined below. This looks like a copy from a manual below, but here is the code. It accepts no parameters. SIG ;Call with DUZ; Return X1= if fail else hashed ESC. N X2,K S X2=$G(^VA(200,+$G(DUZ),20)),X1=$P(X2,U,4) I X1= W !,No Electronic Signature code to check. Q S K=0 D S2 Q:X1= Q ;Following code was to force code change N LIFE S LIFE=$$KSP^XUPARAM(LIFETIME) S X2=+X2 I X20,(X2+LIFE)'(+$H) D I X1= W !,*7,Verification with held untill new code entered.,! . W !!,Your Electronic Signature Code has expired, you need to create a new one. . N DA S DA=DUZ S:$$NEW()'=1 X1= . Q Q ; Thus this would need to be called like this: new success set success=0 do . new DUZ . set DUZ=UserNum . do SIG^XUSESIG . if X1'= set success=1 not this: if $$SIG^XUSESIG(UserNum,x1)=x1 set success=1 Also the text in the code in XUSESIG.m: Verification with held untill new code entered. should be changed to this: Verification withheld until new code entered. Kevin --- steven mcphelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SIG^XUSESIG(): Verify Electronic Signature Code Reference Type Supported Category Electronic Signatures IA # 10050 Description This API requests and verifies the electronic signature code of the current user. Format SIG^XUSESIG(duz,x1) Input Parameters duz: (required) User number. Output Parameters x1: If the user entered the correct electronic signature code, the encrypted electronic signature code as stored in the NEW PERSON file (#200) is returned in x1. Otherwise, x1 is returned as NULL. Even though the Format above shows parameter passing, there is no parameter passing. Also, this call verifies the signed-on user's esig. - Original Message - From: steven mcphelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] How do I do a silent read? I am leaving for the airport. I will have to find it. It is in the Kernel Systems Manager documentation or the new Kernel programmer documentation. - Original Message - From: Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] How do I do a silent read? What API do you have in mind? The XGF utilities? Incidentally, here's some code I wrote to allow a user to enter ^ to interrupt a running process that's busy writing dots to the keyboard. It's not exactly what you want, but it shows how to read input one character at a time in a SAC compliant way and also turn echo on/off. (The lock statements are a kludge and shouldn't be needed.) WSTUP ; setup ;K DTOUT ;in case it is defined S CSLTMP=$NA(^XTMP(CSLVEN_MID)) D INITKB^XGF(*) X ^%ZOSF(EOFF) S TIMER=0,DELTA=1,DONE=0 S:+$G(TTW)'0 TTW=DTIME WLOOP; S YCHR=$$READ^XGF(1,1) ;R YCHR#1:1 ;S:$G(YCHR)[^ DONE=1 I '$D(DTOUT) S:$G(YCHR)=^ DONE=1 L [EMAIL PROTECTED]@(0):0 L [EMAIL PROTECTED]@(0) G:'$D(@CSLTMP@(0)) WLOOP2 L [EMAIL PROTECTED]@(0):0 S X=$P(@CSLTMP@(0),^,3) S:+X0 DONE=1 S:+X0 @CSLTMP@(TIMEFOUND)=$$NOW^XLFDT L [EMAIL PROTECTED]@(0) G:DONE WCLN WLOOP2 ; D:IO=IO(0) .W . ;a 1 sec. wait is built into the # read .;W:TIMER#2=0 . S:$D(DTOUT) YCHR= S:YCHR[^ X=0 G:YCHR[^ WCLN H DELTA S TIMER=TIMER+DELTA S:TIMER'TTW X=0 ;timeout G:TIMER'TTW WCLN G WLOOP Q WCLN ; D RESETKB^XGF X ^%ZOSF(EON) Q $G(X) --- steven mcphelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not just use the Kernel API for this purpose? - Original Message - From: Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Hardhats Sourceforge hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 11:13 PM Subject: [Hardhats-members] How do I do a silent read? Hey all, I want to ask for a password, and echo *'s How do I do this? I.e. for i=1:1:8 read *S write * gives: a*b*c*d*e*f*g*h* How do I hide the letters? Thanks Kevin P.S., what I really want to do is to compare the user's input to the electronic signiture code stored in the ELECTRONIC SIGNITURE CODE in file 200. Is there a Fileman way of doing this? I just want to ensure that the user knows the password. Thanks Kevin
Re: [Hardhats-members] Dificulty with Fileman search
Well, it seems to be working correctly for me now. I can't remember what I was doing before. Thanks Kevin --- Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just created an option with a name beginning with PRCV. If I wanted a list of all of them, I could do this: Select VA FileMan Option: Print File Entries OUTPUT FROM WHAT FILE: COTS INVENTORY SUBSCRIPTION CONTROL// 19 OPTION (13283 entries) SORT BY: NAME// START WITH NAME: FIRST// PRCV GO TO NAME: LAST// PRCVZZZ WITHIN NAME, SORT BY: FIRST PRINT FIELD: NAME THEN PRINT FIELD: Heading (S/C): OPTION LIST// START AT PAGE: 1// DEVICE: INCOMING TELNETRight Margin: 80// OPTION LISTMAR 10,2005 19:01 PAGE 1 NAME PRCV FCP MONITOR Press RETURN to continue... --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While we are on the topic of sorting etc, can someone explain how the START WITH option works. Everytime I put something in this field, I get back no records. What do I put there? Kevin --- Greg Kreis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You will still get the 'just a moment' message if the field is indexed and you use the = syntax. To make the best use of the index, specify the field and put in the same value for 'start with' and 'goto'. Greg Woodhouse wrote: No. Sorting is basically a matter of iterating through an index. If you only want one value, you can use the = syntax in the sort. Searching is considerably more flexible. George Timson's point was that sorting is often all you need if you just want records having a single index value. Unfortunately, I chose a field that wasn't indexed, hence the just a moment comment from Fileman. --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So are you saying that sorting by a single given value is the same as a search for that same single given value? Our intial discussion was how to create a set, which is done by create a template. Can that be done with this method? Thanks Kevin --- Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Select OPTION: PRINT FILE ENTRIES OUTPUT FROM WHAT FILE: NEW PERSON// 101 PROTOCOL (8304 entries) SORT BY: NAME// INTERNAL(CREATOR)= WITHIN INTERNAL(CREATOR)=36007, SORT BY: FIRST PRINT FIELD: NAME THEN PRINT FIELD: Heading (S/C): PROTOCOL LIST// START AT PAGE: 1// DEVICE: INCOMING TELNETRight Margin: 80// ...SORRY, I'M WORKING AS FAST AS I CAN... PROTOCOL LIST MAR 9,2005 19:58 PAGE 1 NAME CSL_AR_02_EV_GET_FUND CSL_AR_02_SU_GET_FUND etc. --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm lost... Kevin --- George Timson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thom says: | | Just a thought: I believe you could create a cross-reference that would | all you to search on this field, after all. | --- Holloway, Thomas (EDS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Yes, but SEARCH does not affect how the file is traversed. SORT tells FileMan how to go thru the file. Many times users can find everything they really need by SORTING. As in SORT BY: INTERNAL(ENTERED BY)=44 --George Timson --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. === message truncated === __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] MDC Revival
Nancy wrote: The speed and reliability of M has been proven over and over and there is no reason that VistA or M should be killed by neglect or that the VA should spend whatever countless millions of our tax dollars to migrate VistA to Java just because people are running around telling all of the politicians and anyone who will listen that M is dead. I totally agree. However, the situation is not so simple. VistA clearly needs a new front end and Java is the leading candidate for that so far. Since a Java frontend could be cross platform, it is much to be preferred over the current CPRS. It appears that the transition away from MUMPS on the backend will occur gradually over a number of years with MUMPS and the VistaLink broker providing the backend database and processing as long as necessary to maintain performance and reliability. That could be a very long time. It might be long enough to show that a web based solution like M2Web would provide a much simpler and less expensive solution. ;) An active MDC is proof positive that M isn't dead. I disagree. The proof and the reason MUMPS is not dead is GT.M/Linux (and other Open Source implementations of MUMPS). With it we have a high performance reliable server-side foundation for running existing MUMPS applications such as VistA and enhancing them and developing new applications with a wide range of technologies using pretty much any additional programming languages desired. We need it and the sooner the better. I think it is too soon to revive the MDC - unless you are thinking of an MDC that is radically different in operation and purpose and function than the old one. The function of the MDC was to limit and channel innovation at the language layer into a common language definition so that vendors of MUMPS could compete only on the basis of price and performance and conformance to the standard, not on enhancements outside the standard and so they could not rely on vendor lock-in where applications were written to the standard. That all effectively ended when Intersystems acquired their major competitors (DSM, DTM and MSM). Now that we have Open Source MUMPS to work with, we can easily begin innovating at the language level again if any one cares to take the effort and do the programming. I can think of several new language feaures that could streamline web applications. However, I don't see this as a major priority right now. The language has a mature functionality already and there is plenty to do at the level of hospital information systems and medical records without changing the language underlying them. --- Jim Self Systems Architect, Lead Developer VMTH Computer Services, UC Davis (http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/us/jaself) --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Dificulty with Fileman search
Can you give us an example of what you are seeing so we can diagnose it? Kevin Toppenberg wrote: While we are on the topic of sorting etc, can someone explain how the "START WITH" option works. Everytime I put something in this field, I get back no records. What do I put there? Kevin --- Greg Kreis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You will still get the 'just a moment' message if the field is indexed and you use the = syntax. To make the best use of the index, specify the field and put in the same value for 'start with' and 'goto'. Greg Woodhouse wrote: No. "Sorting" is basically a matter of iterating through an index. If you only want one value, you can use the "=" syntax in the sort. Searching is considerably more flexible. George Timson's point was that sorting is often all you need if you just want records having a single index value. Unfortunately, I chose a field that wasn't indexed, hence the "just a moment" comment from Fileman. --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So are you saying that sorting by a single given value is the same as a search for that same single given value? Our intial discussion was how to create a "set", which is done by create a template. Can that be done with this method? Thanks Kevin --- Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Select OPTION: PRINT FILE ENTRIES OUTPUT FROM WHAT FILE: NEW PERSON// 101 PROTOCOL (8304 entries) SORT BY: NAME// INTERNAL(CREATOR)= WITHIN INTERNAL(CREATOR)=36007, SORT BY: FIRST PRINT FIELD: NAME THEN PRINT FIELD: Heading (S/C): PROTOCOL LIST// START AT PAGE: 1// DEVICE: INCOMING TELNETRight Margin: 80// ...SORRY, I'M WORKING AS FAST AS I CAN... PROTOCOL LIST MAR 9,2005 19:58 PAGE 1 NAME CSL_AR_02_EV_GET_FUND CSL_AR_02_SU_GET_FUND etc. --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm lost... Kevin --- George Timson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thom says: | | Just a thought: I believe you could create a cross-reference that would | all you to search on this field, after all. | --- "Holloway, Thomas (EDS)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Yes, but SEARCH does not affect how the file is traversed. SORT tells FileMan how to go thru the file. Many times users can find everything they really need by SORTING. As in SORT BY: INTERNAL(ENTERED BY)=44 --George Timson --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT
Re: [Hardhats-members] Dificulty with Fileman search
If you really want to find an accomplished FM users, find a user that is very analytical, has a great need to know and boundless curiosity, topped with great heapings of patience. Why not a programmer? Because the M programmer has a pressure release valve. When they can't get FM to do what they want, they break down and program it. The poor user is forced to try again and again and again. These mental gymantics leave them with an impressive FM six-pack... and a wise programmer won't try to match wits with them in the pure FM arena. ;-) Kevin Toppenberg wrote: While we are on the topic of sorting etc, can someone explain how the "START WITH" option works. Everytime I put something in this field, I get back no records. What do I put there? Kevin --- Greg Kreis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You will still get the 'just a moment' message if the field is indexed and you use the = syntax. To make the best use of the index, specify the field and put in the same value for 'start with' and 'goto'. Greg Woodhouse wrote: No. "Sorting" is basically a matter of iterating through an index. If you only want one value, you can use the "=" syntax in the sort. Searching is considerably more flexible. George Timson's point was that sorting is often all you need if you just want records having a single index value. Unfortunately, I chose a field that wasn't indexed, hence the "just a moment" comment from Fileman. --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So are you saying that sorting by a single given value is the same as a search for that same single given value? Our intial discussion was how to create a "set", which is done by create a template. Can that be done with this method? Thanks Kevin --- Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Select OPTION: PRINT FILE ENTRIES OUTPUT FROM WHAT FILE: NEW PERSON// 101 PROTOCOL (8304 entries) SORT BY: NAME// INTERNAL(CREATOR)= WITHIN INTERNAL(CREATOR)=36007, SORT BY: FIRST PRINT FIELD: NAME THEN PRINT FIELD: Heading (S/C): PROTOCOL LIST// START AT PAGE: 1// DEVICE: INCOMING TELNETRight Margin: 80// ...SORRY, I'M WORKING AS FAST AS I CAN... PROTOCOL LIST MAR 9,2005 19:58 PAGE 1 NAME CSL_AR_02_EV_GET_FUND CSL_AR_02_SU_GET_FUND etc. --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm lost... Kevin --- George Timson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thom says: | | Just a thought: I believe you could create a cross-reference that would | all you to search on this field, after all. | --- "Holloway, Thomas (EDS)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Yes, but SEARCH does not affect how the file is traversed. SORT tells FileMan how to go thru the file. Many times users can find everything they really need by SORTING. As in SORT BY: INTERNAL(ENTERED BY)=44 --George Timson --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced
Re: [Hardhats-members] Room share at VistA conf?
Kevin; You might want to reconsider the rental car. Parking in Boston in almost non-existant (I lived there for 7 months without a car). You should be able to reach almost anywhere in the Boston/Cambridge area via MTA. Just bring Susan B Anthony's for the toll or lots of ones, or you can buy an unlimited usage pass for a week for what it will cost you just to park your car for a day in Boston. Just a suggestion. BTW, MTA goes right out to the airport. Real easy. BTW, if you fly into Logan, try to get over to terminal C where the Kinetic Art is. You can spend a day just being in awe of the timing and imagination that went into these works. There is even more kinetic art at the Science Museum in Cambridge. If the Sun is there, where is Pluto?, Saturn?, or Uranus? Boston is a fun time. Look for the Duck Tours. Have fun and learn a lot. - Original Message - From: Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Hardhats Sourceforge hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 6:57 PM Subject: [Hardhats-members] Room share at VistA conf? I am considering the costs of hotels in Boston. If anyone is interested in sharing a hotel room and/or vehicle, let me know. Kevin __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] New Cache.zip, etc., on 2-27-05
I think the last Cache.zip and GTM version before 2-27 that I had downloaded were from 2-12-05. Maybe the 2-27 was only news to me, or maybe I just forgot. On Thursday 10 March 2005 09:23 am, Robert M. Witkop wrote: Nancy, I looked at the ftp site this morning, and only saw the one that was there from 2/27. Bob On Wed, 2005-03-09 at 18:24, Nancy Anthracite wrote: Every time I log in to the ftp site, it seems like there are new releases. I wonder what is new in this one? --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members -- Nancy Anthracite --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Dificulty with Fileman search
Me too. On Thursday 10 March 2005 10:18 am, Bhaskar, KS wrote: I would be interested in attending one. -- Bhaskar On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 07:04 -0800, Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Hey, Anyone interested in giving such a class at the upcoming VistA conference? Kevin --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members -- Nancy Anthracite --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Dificulty with Fileman search
Greg; You got that right... But when you start getting users and programmers together, magic happens and the model gets better. If they do it right, then we add it to the general release and everyone wins. We would like to have every site become a testing ground for new ideas and new solutions to common problems (even uncommon problems). We will be forming up new development groups to add new functionality, begin mapping out re-engineering of old functionality (there are a lot of reasons to do this effort, but it has to be done very carefully so as to not loose any functionality). There will be discussions about how this technology can be allowed to continue its evolution. Come hear the new ideas and help select what gets added and what gets parked. Ethical issues will be discussed as well. How much access could a site give to allow for remote reporting of problems? Would your site be willing to have a process automatically summarize your error trap and report it to one of WorldVistA's sites for analysis, so we can prioritize our efforts to patchexceptions in the applications? How much information would your siteallow to be transferred in such a report (not much is really needed to help us evaluate the work required)? Well, time for me to get off the soap-box. Thanks, Greg (will we see you in Boston?); Chris - Original Message - From: Greg Kreis To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Dificulty with Fileman search If you really want to find an accomplished FM users, find a user that is very analytical, has a great need to know and boundless curiosity, topped with great heapings of patience. Why not a programmer? Because the M programmer has a pressure release valve. When they can't get FM to do what they want, they break down and program it. The poor user is forced to try again and again and again. These mental gymantics leave them with an impressive FM six-pack... and a wise programmer won't try to match wits with them in the pure FM arena. ;-)Kevin Toppenberg wrote: While we are on the topic of sorting etc, can someone explain how the "START WITH" option works. Everytime I put something in this field, I get back no records. What do I put there? Kevin --- Greg Kreis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You will still get the 'just a moment' message if the field is indexed and you use the = syntax. To make the best use of the index, specify the field and put in the same value for 'start with' and 'goto'. Greg Woodhouse wrote: No. "Sorting" is basically a matter of iterating through an index. If you only want one value, you can use the "=" syntax in the sort. Searching is considerably more flexible. George Timson's point was that sorting is often all you need if you just want records having a single index value. Unfortunately, I chose a field that wasn't indexed, hence the "just a moment" comment from Fileman. --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So are you saying that sorting by a single given value is the same as a search for that same single given value? Our intial discussion was how to create a "set", which is done by create a template. Can that be done with this method? Thanks Kevin --- Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Select OPTION: PRINT FILE ENTRIES OUTPUT FROM WHAT FILE: NEW PERSON// 101 PROTOCOL (8304 entries) SORT BY: NAME// INTERNAL(CREATOR)= WITHIN INTERNAL(CREATOR)=36007, SORT BY: FIRST PRINT FIELD: NAME THEN PRINT FIELD: Heading (S/C): PROTOCOL LIST// START AT PAGE: 1// DEVICE: INCOMING TELNETRight Margin: 80// ...SORRY, I'M WORKING AS FAST AS I CAN... PROTOCOL LIST MAR 9,2005 19:58 PAGE 1 NAME CSL_AR_02_EV_GET_FUND CSL_AR_02_SU_GET_FUND etc. --- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm lost... Kevin --- George Timson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thom says: | | Just a thought: I believe you could create a cross-reference that would | all you to search on this field, after all. | --- "Holloway, Thomas (EDS)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Yes, but SEARCH does not affect how the file is traversed. SORT tells FileMan how to go thru the file. Many times users can find everything they really need by SORTING. As in SORT BY: INTERNAL(ENTERED BY)=44 --George Timson
