Re: [Hardhats-members] Time to advance?
Nothing has prevented the users from doing this already but they don't. My guess is they wouldn't in the future as well. At best you'd get spotty compliance and all kinds of different keywords. If one wants to use the subject line for categorizing, some uniformity would have to be enforced and that is really out of the control of a mailing list (especially one that you don't control). At 09:34 PM 3/10/2005, Joseph wrote: Greg, My vote would be for using simple categories in the subject lineand yes it is worth discussing because it will make the archive much more useful. We can use these categories to then build FAQ's or summaries using the Wiki.. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Time to advance?
I agree with Dan. I wouldn't expect it to work well. My feeling is that some software needs to provide structure and categories for the messages. Dan wrote: Nothing has prevented the users from doing this already but they don't. My guess is they wouldn't in the future as well. At best you'd get spotty compliance and all kinds of different keywords. If one wants to use the subject line for categorizing, some uniformity would have to be enforced and that is really out of the control of a mailing list (especially one that you don't control). At 09:34 PM 3/10/2005, Joseph wrote: Greg, My vote would be for using simple categories in the subject lineand yes it is worth discussing because it will make the archive much more useful. We can use these categories to then build FAQ's or summaries using the Wiki.. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Time to advance?
Dan; Actually, Dan, there has been something that has been keeping users from moving forward. It has been active marketing, whispering campaigns, the selling of management on other technologies which have not lived up to their promise. That takes focus and money to accomplish that. Market pressure makes this the path to drive the abandoning of a proven technology before its time. There is profit in Chaos. Now there are those who know the capabilities and the abilities which drive the ecconomies of scale back to raise peoples' hopes that they might again take control of the direction of the technology. The original MDC was 33.3% vendors, 33.3% academics and implementors, 33% users. Do you have any idea how rare that was? Most standards organizations have been strongly influenced by the vendors to the point where a user showing up to one of their meetings was the rare exception. The users have added a lot to the standard and the technology. The attention of the VistA Model has added a good number of folks will increase the focus and perhaps achieve the critical mass that is needed to reform the MDC in some form. I, too, doubt that the MDC will reform in its former organization (too easy for passive agression can cause such an organization to fail. We need an MDC which is more accessible. Anyone should be able to contribute ideas and be allowed to understand the current standard and make suggestion as to how it might be improved. Now a lot of ideas will end up as library entries. Fine. It is the inclusion of new tools which will get attention, it is the pride of ownership of the community to the software that will gain their trust and participation. Best wishes; Chris - Original Message - From: Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 5:50 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Time to advance? Nothing has prevented the users from doing this already but they don't. My guess is they wouldn't in the future as well. At best you'd get spotty compliance and all kinds of different keywords. If one wants to use the subject line for categorizing, some uniformity would have to be enforced and that is really out of the control of a mailing list (especially one that you don't control). At 09:34 PM 3/10/2005, Joseph wrote: Greg, My vote would be for using simple categories in the subject lineand yes it is worth discussing because it will make the archive much more useful. We can use these categories to then build FAQ's or summaries using the Wiki.. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
[Hardhats-members] Time to advance?
David's question on the MDC Revival thread is an opportunity for us to again address the question of forums or other means of categorizing the list threads. We are open to suggestions on how to make this list serve the different needs of a somewhat diverse group. Should we declare exactly what the list is for an curtail unrelated discussion? Should we establish major categories and encourage proper posting by category? Is this even worth discussing? David Sommers wrote: I'm curious. What exactly is discussed on this list? Is it pure M not related to VistA or does that come up as well? Mostly users of GTM? Etc etc. Also, I didn't know it was uga.edu GO DAWGS! Sorry - I'm BIG G, all the way. /David. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Time to advance?
In January 2003 Hardhats had 5 postings per day (average), in January 2004, 11 postings per day, and in the first month of the current year, 16 per day. This growth in activity is a positive sign, on the one hand. On the other hand it represents an increased burden to the reader whose interests may not embrace the entire range of subject matter discussed. Our identity as a virtual community for the worldwide users of the VISTA software implies that VistA forms the primary focus of community interest. However, since much of VistA is written in MUMPS, issues relating to the present and future of the MUMPS language enter into consideration. Platforms, e.g. Windows, Linux, VMS are also of interest, in how they support VistA or permit VistA to scale, etc. That said, other forums exist (or used to--I haven't kept up with them) dealing with the MUMPS language, independent of VistA. In my opinion, issues such as possible revival of the MDC or creation of an object-oriented MUMPS fit more comfortably into a broader-than-VistA context. Similarly I believe that many (not all) platform-oriented issues are of peripheral relevance to VistA interest. I like your idea of posting by category, Greg. This would provide a voluntary framework for disciplined posting, and also display a quick indicator to the reader of the general subject area being discussed. Possible categories include: Applications, Kernel/FileMan, VistA platforms, Public relations and community announcements, etc. Regardless of the particular categories chosen, Hardhats postings would be easier to read or filter if identified by category. Just a few years ago Hardhats seemed on the verge of fading away. The list had not yet acquired critical mass. Now it seems at some risk of going supercritical. Lloyd - Original Message - From: Greg Kreis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:03 AM Subject: [Hardhats-members] Time to advance? David's question on the MDC Revival thread is an opportunity for us to again address the question of forums or other means of categorizing the list threads. We are open to suggestions on how to make this list serve the different needs of a somewhat diverse group. Should we declare exactly what the list is for an curtail unrelated discussion? Should we establish major categories and encourage proper posting by category? Is this even worth discussing? David Sommers wrote: I'm curious. What exactly is discussed on this list? Is it pure M not related to VistA or does that come up as well? Mostly users of GTM? Etc etc. Also, I didn't know it was uga.edu GO DAWGS! Sorry - I'm BIG G, all the way. /David. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] Time to advance?
It would be nice if we had threads etc, with topics etc, like some bulletin boards have. The problem is that many like to get the posts as email. Kevin --- Lloyd Milligan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In January 2003 Hardhats had 5 postings per day (average), in January 2004, 11 postings per day, and in the first month of the current year, 16 per day. This growth in activity is a positive sign, on the one hand. On the other hand it represents an increased burden to the reader whose interests may not embrace the entire range of subject matter discussed. Our identity as a virtual community for the worldwide users of the VISTA software implies that VistA forms the primary focus of community interest. However, since much of VistA is written in MUMPS, issues relating to the present and future of the MUMPS language enter into consideration. Platforms, e.g. Windows, Linux, VMS are also of interest, in how they support VistA or permit VistA to scale, etc. That said, other forums exist (or used to--I haven't kept up with them) dealing with the MUMPS language, independent of VistA. In my opinion, issues such as possible revival of the MDC or creation of an object-oriented MUMPS fit more comfortably into a broader-than-VistA context. Similarly I believe that many (not all) platform-oriented issues are of peripheral relevance to VistA interest. I like your idea of posting by category, Greg. This would provide a voluntary framework for disciplined posting, and also display a quick indicator to the reader of the general subject area being discussed. Possible categories include: Applications, Kernel/FileMan, VistA platforms, Public relations and community announcements, etc. Regardless of the particular categories chosen, Hardhats postings would be easier to read or filter if identified by category. Just a few years ago Hardhats seemed on the verge of fading away. The list had not yet acquired critical mass. Now it seems at some risk of going supercritical. Lloyd - Original Message - From: Greg Kreis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:03 AM Subject: [Hardhats-members] Time to advance? David's question on the MDC Revival thread is an opportunity for us to again address the question of forums or other means of categorizing the list threads. We are open to suggestions on how to make this list serve the different needs of a somewhat diverse group. Should we declare exactly what the list is for an curtail unrelated discussion? Should we establish major categories and encourage proper posting by category? Is this even worth discussing? David Sommers wrote: I'm curious. What exactly is discussed on this list? Is it pure M not related to VistA or does that come up as well? Mostly users of GTM? Etc etc. Also, I didn't know it was uga.edu GO DAWGS! Sorry - I'm BIG G, all the way. /David. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Hardhats-members mailing list Hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
