RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library
It's not exactly wiki, but Hypernotes and other applications included with M2Web could provide this functionality and have some interesting features and possibilities that go beyond common wikis, including live access to MUMPS data, such as demonstration data from OpenVistA, automatically hyperlinked views of MUMPS source code and customizability to support special vocabularies and contexts of interest, such as that of a Medical Information System or MUMPS programming. We use a related application within the Computer Services group of the VMTH to keep a shared notes repository supporting hospital operations and the development of VMACS. In this context, common reference items such as patient numbers, account numbers, lab numbers, MUMPS routine names, etc. simply have to be mentioned in a note in order to be automatically hyperlinked. I originally wrote Hypernotes almost 10 years ago as a demonstration of a MUMPS to Web application. I deliberately kept it small and mostly self-contained to make it a reasonable starting point for MUMPS programmers learning to write web applications and a starting point for further development of ideas for supporting web based notes, discussion, bookmarks, etc. Anyone interested in working on this let me know. Jim David Sommers wrote: Agreed - and there are a ton of packages to install and capable of fitting our needs. Heck, they even have .NET versions that run on IIS/Windows. We had discussed something like this in the past in regards to just collating documentation and nothing happened. I'd love a Wiki site to: 1) Bring together links and snippets of news related to M and VistA 2) Links to existing documentation strung out on all our web sites 3) Living and breathing documentation by moving everything from #2 into Wiki itself (this will take time - at least #2 will centralize everything). 4) A single Point Of Entry for non-hardhats people to quickly get up to speed on downloading, installing, using, understanding, and deciding M/VistA. Thoughts? Any other goals that would make Wiki to attractive to ignore? /David. --- Jim Self Systems Architect, Lead Developer VMTH Computer Services, UC Davis (http://www.vmth.ucdavis.edu/us/jaself) --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library
You can probably stick them on Kevin's aforementioned wiki. I have written to Greg Kreis and I think he will link to stories on WorldVistA, if I work that out. I didn't want the Cache guys to feel I was leaving them out, but when Greg suggested I go ahead and use the WV site and he would link to it, that sort of got me off the hook that way. Who is the best one to talk to about the WV site? Rick? We should probably just pick out the best of them for that site as it is for WorldWide consumption and put the whole raft of them on the wiki. So far, I have only had a limited but bad experience with a wiki, so I am not thrilled about this, but I guess I can get my feet wet. I wrote a fairly long post to once, and when I switched to a different window on my computer to get a reference to include in the post, all of the work I had done disappeared. That was the end of my urges to put information on a wiki. I guess I will have to compose in one place and then cut and paste in the future. A lot of people I respect seem to really like them, so I must be missing something. I don't quite get what is going on on this wiki Kevin pointed us to either. I guest someone has made categories to post to, but it is so chopped up, I find it a pain to look at. I will have to hunt around it some more and figure it out. I have a web site within the VA, so I am better able to handle that if it is like mine. Hopefully, if I am given access to the WV site, that will be easier for me. BTW, somebody told me that Carl Labbadia from that clinic in Conn. that bailed me out after I was so rude on the vista-open-source list was at the WV meeting. Can you send me his picture so I can figure out who he was? I am drawing a complete blank on him. On Friday 03 December 2004 11:16 pm, Dee Knapp wrote: Kevin, Nancy, WorldVistA: I have a news story library on my personal wiki - I'm willing to assist - Let me know where to post. ...Dee Knapp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Dal Molin Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 8:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Consider it done Kevingreat ideaespecially the part about delegating Nancy to do the work :-) Joseph Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Someone from my group was grumbling recently that VistA is going to be a bad option for our group because is it old technology. And then Bhaskar posts regarding a Thai Bank converting to GT.M. And Nancy regularly posts ongoing news about VistA etc. Could we start a subpage on the WorldVistA web site that lists these news stories, so I could take someone there and show them at a glance all the ongoing activity? It would help prove that M / VistA is not dead. I'd like to nominate Nancy to be the one to regularly add to such a page.. :-) Nancy, you can thank me later. LOL! Kevin Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=29914/*http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members -- Nancy Anthracite --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library
Well guys, I did it again. You can see that I meant to send that to Dee, not the general list, and I apologize if I offended anyone! On Saturday 04 December 2004 08:14 am, Nancy E. Anthracite wrote: You can probably stick them on Kevin's aforementioned wiki. I have written to Greg Kreis and I think he will link to stories on WorldVistA, if I work that out. I didn't want the Cache guys to feel I was leaving them out, but when Greg suggested I go ahead and use the WV site and he would link to it, that sort of got me off the hook that way. Who is the best one to talk to about the WV site? Rick? We should probably just pick out the best of them for that site as it is for WorldWide consumption and put the whole raft of them on the wiki. So far, I have only had a limited but bad experience with a wiki, so I am not thrilled about this, but I guess I can get my feet wet. I wrote a fairly long post to once, and when I switched to a different window on my computer to get a reference to include in the post, all of the work I had done disappeared. That was the end of my urges to put information on a wiki. I guess I will have to compose in one place and then cut and paste in the future. A lot of people I respect seem to really like them, so I must be missing something. I don't quite get what is going on on this wiki Kevin pointed us to either. I guest someone has made categories to post to, but it is so chopped up, I find it a pain to look at. I will have to hunt around it some more and figure it out. I have a web site within the VA, so I am better able to handle that if it is like mine. Hopefully, if I am given access to the WV site, that will be easier for me. BTW, somebody told me that Carl Labbadia from that clinic in Conn. that bailed me out after I was so rude on the vista-open-source list was at the WV meeting. Can you send me his picture so I can figure out who he was? I am drawing a complete blank on him. On Friday 03 December 2004 11:16 pm, Dee Knapp wrote: Kevin, Nancy, WorldVistA: I have a news story library on my personal wiki - I'm willing to assist - Let me know where to post. ...Dee Knapp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Dal Molin Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 8:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Consider it done Kevingreat ideaespecially the part about delegating Nancy to do the work :-) Joseph Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Someone from my group was grumbling recently that VistA is going to be a bad option for our group because is it old technology. And then Bhaskar posts regarding a Thai Bank converting to GT.M. And Nancy regularly posts ongoing news about VistA etc. Could we start a subpage on the WorldVistA web site that lists these news stories, so I could take someone there and show them at a glance all the ongoing activity? It would help prove that M / VistA is not dead. I'd like to nominate Nancy to be the one to regularly add to such a page.. :-) Nancy, you can thank me later. LOL! Kevin Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=29914/*http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members -- Nancy Anthracite --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library
Nancy, I can give you access to the WV web site. Can you propose a place and look for the news page(s)? We really do need to keep the content fresher, and if you are willing to work on the site, I think that would be great. I'll need your sourceforge id. -maury- - Original Message - From: Nancy E. Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library You can probably stick them on Kevin's aforementioned wiki. I have written to Greg Kreis and I think he will link to stories on WorldVistA, if I work that out. I didn't want the Cache guys to feel I was leaving them out, but when Greg suggested I go ahead and use the WV site and he would link to it, that sort of got me off the hook that way. Who is the best one to talk to about the WV site? Rick? We should probably just pick out the best of them for that site as it is for WorldWide consumption and put the whole raft of them on the wiki. So far, I have only had a limited but bad experience with a wiki, so I am not thrilled about this, but I guess I can get my feet wet. I wrote a fairly long post to once, and when I switched to a different window on my computer to get a reference to include in the post, all of the work I had done disappeared. That was the end of my urges to put information on a wiki. I guess I will have to compose in one place and then cut and paste in the future. A lot of people I respect seem to really like them, so I must be missing something. I don't quite get what is going on on this wiki Kevin pointed us to either. I guest someone has made categories to post to, but it is so chopped up, I find it a pain to look at. I will have to hunt around it some more and figure it out. I have a web site within the VA, so I am better able to handle that if it is like mine. Hopefully, if I am given access to the WV site, that will be easier for me. BTW, somebody told me that Carl Labbadia from that clinic in Conn. that bailed me out after I was so rude on the vista-open-source list was at the WV meeting. Can you send me his picture so I can figure out who he was? I am drawing a complete blank on him. On Friday 03 December 2004 11:16 pm, Dee Knapp wrote: Kevin, Nancy, WorldVistA: I have a news story library on my personal wiki - I'm willing to assist - Let me know where to post. ...Dee Knapp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Dal Molin Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 8:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Consider it done Kevingreat ideaespecially the part about delegating Nancy to do the work :-) Joseph Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Someone from my group was grumbling recently that VistA is going to be a bad option for our group because is it old technology. And then Bhaskar posts regarding a Thai Bank converting to GT.M. And Nancy regularly posts ongoing news about VistA etc. Could we start a subpage on the WorldVistA web site that lists these news stories, so I could take someone there and show them at a glance all the ongoing activity? It would help prove that M / VistA is not dead. I'd like to nominate Nancy to be the one to regularly add to such a page.. :-) Nancy, you can thank me later. LOL! Kevin Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=29914/*http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members -- Nancy Anthracite --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now
RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library
Dee, Can you post the URL of your wikki... maybe we should go with your site that is already up... Kevin --- Dee Knapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, Nancy, WorldVistA: I have a news story library on my personal wiki - I'm willing to assist - Let me know where to post. ...Dee Knapp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Dal Molin Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 8:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Consider it done Kevingreat ideaespecially the part about delegating Nancy to do the work :-) Joseph Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Someone from my group was grumbling recently that VistA is going to be a bad option for our group because is it old technology. And then Bhaskar posts regarding a Thai Bank converting to GT.M. And Nancy regularly posts ongoing news about VistA etc. Could we start a subpage on the WorldVistA web site that lists these news stories, so I could take someone there and show them at a glance all the ongoing activity? It would help prove that M / VistA is not dead. I'd like to nominate Nancy to be the one to regularly add to such a page.. :-) Nancy, you can thank me later. LOL! Kevin Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=29914/*http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library
If the wiki works out, that is terrific. It is off and running and all can contribute (Nancy is off the hook). I'll just add a link from Hardhats to refer folks to the Wiki. Nancy E. Anthracite wrote: You can probably stick them on Kevin's aforementioned wiki. I have written to Greg Kreis and I think he will link to stories on WorldVistA, if I work that out. I didn't want the Cache guys to feel I was leaving them out, but when Greg suggested I go ahead and use the WV site and he would link to it, that sort of got me off the hook that way. Who is the best one to talk to about the WV site? Rick? We should probably just pick out the best of them for that site as it is for WorldWide consumption and put the whole raft of them on the wiki. So far, I have only had a limited but bad experience with a wiki, so I am not thrilled about this, but I guess I can get my feet wet. I wrote a fairly long post to once, and when I switched to a different window on my computer to get a reference to include in the post, all of the work I had done disappeared. That was the end of my urges to put information on a wiki. I guess I will have to compose in one place and then cut and paste in the future. A lot of people I respect seem to really like them, so I must be missing something. I don't quite get what is going on on this wiki Kevin pointed us to either. I guest someone has made categories to post to, but it is so chopped up, I find it a pain to look at. I will have to hunt around it some more and figure it out. I have a web site within the VA, so I am better able to handle that if it is like mine. Hopefully, if I am given access to the WV site, that will be easier for me. BTW, somebody told me that Carl Labbadia from that clinic in Conn. that bailed me out after I was so rude on the vista-open-source list was at the WV meeting. Can you send me his picture so I can figure out who he was? I am drawing a complete blank on him. On Friday 03 December 2004 11:16 pm, Dee Knapp wrote: Kevin, Nancy, WorldVistA: I have a "news story library" on my personal wiki - I'm willing to assist - Let me know where to post. ...Dee Knapp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Joseph Dal Molin Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 8:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Consider it done Kevingreat ideaespecially the part about delegating Nancy to do the work :-) Joseph Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Someone from my group was grumbling recently that VistA is going to be a bad option for our group because is it "old technology." And then Bhaskar posts regarding a Thai Bank converting to GT.M. And Nancy regularly posts ongoing news about VistA etc. Could we start a subpage on the WorldVistA web site that lists these news stories, so I could take someone there and show them at a glance all the ongoing activity? It would help prove that M / VistA is not "dead". I'd like to nominate Nancy to be the one to regularly add to such a page.. :-) Nancy, you can thank me later. LOL! Kevin Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=29914/*http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members -- Greg Kreishttp://www.PioneerDataSys.com "The future is here. It's just not widely distributed yet." -William Gibson
Re: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library
Wasn't it Mark Twain who remarked that stories of his demise were greatly exaggerated? The phrase has been used so often that I can't find the original on my favorite search engine. Be that as it may, the death of M has long been predicted. These predictions are of course true because it will die someday, but they have nevertheless been premature by many, many years already! -- Bhaskar On Fri, 2004-12-03 at 09:31, Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Someone from my group was grumbling recently that VistA is going to be a bad option for our group because is it old technology. And then Bhaskar posts regarding a Thai Bank converting to GT.M. And Nancy regularly posts ongoing news about VistA etc. Could we start a subpage on the WorldVistA web site that lists these news stories, so I could take someone there and show them at a glance all the ongoing activity? It would help prove that M / VistA is not dead. I'd like to nominate Nancy to be the one to regularly add to such a page.. :-) Nancy, you can thank me later. LOL! Kevin __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. *** This electronic mail transmission contains confidential and/or privileged information intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by another person is strictly prohibited. *** NOTE: Ce courriel est destine exclusivement au(x) destinataire(s) mentionne(s) ci-dessus et peut contenir de l'information privilegiee, confidentielle et/ou dispensee de divulgation aux termes des lois applicables. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, ou s'il ne vous est pas destine, veuillez le mentionner immediatement a l'expediteur et effacer ce courriel. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
Re: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library
I can get Nancy setup as a Hardhats volunteer so she can have a webpage at Hardhats that she can maintain... ;-) Sorry, Nancy, I felt compelled to remove any technique hurdles so you could make a clear and informed decision... ;-0 ;- Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Someone from my group was grumbling recently that VistA is going to be a bad option for our group because is it "old technology." And then Bhaskar posts regarding a Thai Bank converting to GT.M. And Nancy regularly posts ongoing news about VistA etc. Could we start a subpage on the WorldVistA web site that lists these news stories,so I could take someone there and show them at a glance all the ongoing activity? It would help prove that M / VistA is not "dead". I'd like to nominate Nancy to be the one to regularly add to such a page.. :-) Nancy, you can thank me later. LOL! Kevin Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. -- Greg Kreishttp://www.PioneerDataSys.com "The future is here. It's just not widely distributed yet." -William Gibson
RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library
Kevin, You are battling an age-old predjudice against M. It seems M was considered old technology (by the un-informed), before it was old ! I think alot of the predjudice goes back to the poorly chosen (IMO) name of MUMPS, for the language. Had it has been named Laser or maybe just M in the beginning, it might have enjoyed a different trajectory. Certainly the biggest M vendor understands the marketing difficulties with system based on MUMPS. One has to look hard for any references to it in their marketing material. Instead, it is called post-relational, object oriented, and multi-dimensional. All of which is true. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joseph Dal Molin Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Consider it done Kevingreat ideaespecially the part about delegating Nancy to do the work :-) Joseph Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Someone from my group was grumbling recently that VistA is going to be a bad option for our group because is it old technology. And then Bhaskar posts regarding a Thai Bank converting to GT.M. And Nancy regularly posts ongoing news about VistA etc. Could we start a subpage on the WorldVistA web site that lists these news stories, so I could take someone there and show them at a glance all the ongoing activity? It would help prove that M / VistA is not dead. I'd like to nominate Nancy to be the one to regularly add to such a page.. :-) Nancy, you can thank me later. LOL! Kevin Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=29914/*http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
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You turkeys sure can cook up a lot of trouble when I am too busy to find out about it! I'll tget back to all of you later. On Friday 03 December 2004 10:22 am, Greg Kreis wrote: I can get Nancy setup as a Hardhats volunteer so she can have a webpage at Hardhats that she can maintain... ;-) Sorry, Nancy, I felt compelled to remove any technique hurdles so you could make a clear and informed decision... ;-0 ;- Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Someone from my group was grumbling recently that VistA is going to be a bad option for our group because is it old technology. And then Bhaskar posts regarding a Thai Bank converting to GT.M. And Nancy regularly posts ongoing news about VistA etc. Could we start a subpage on the WorldVistA web site that lists these news stories, so I could take someone there and show them at a glance all the ongoing activity? It would help prove that M / VistA is not dead. I'd like to nominate Nancy to be the one to regularly add to such a page.. :-) Nancy, you can thank me later. LOL! Kevin Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=29914/*http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 -- Nancy Anthracite --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library
You might want to point out that if MUMPS is old technology, why is KAISER betting it's EHRon it (EPIC Systems - Cache VAR). http://www.linuxmednews.org/linuxmednews/1044413727/index_html I've read some bad press about UK's National EHR latelybut on a positive note for MUMPS, IDX is a major software vendor (Another Cache VAR) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin ToppenbergSent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:31 AMTo: Hardhats SourceforgeSubject: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Someone from my group was grumbling recently that VistA is going to be a bad option for our group because is it "old technology." And then Bhaskar posts regarding a Thai Bank converting to GT.M. And Nancy regularly posts ongoing news about VistA etc. Could we start a subpage on the WorldVistA web site that lists these news stories,so I could take someone there and show them at a glance all the ongoing activity? It would help prove that M / VistA is not "dead". I'd like to nominate Nancy to be the one to regularly add to such a page.. :-) Nancy, you can thank me later. LOL! Kevin Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.
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Ah...but it is old technology. Of course, so is the wheel. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, You are battling an age-old predjudice against M. It seems M was considered old technology (by the un-informed), before it was old ! I think alot of the predjudice goes back to the poorly chosen (IMO) name of MUMPS, for the language. Had it has been named Laser or maybe just M in the beginning, it might have enjoyed a different trajectory. Certainly the biggest M vendor understands the marketing difficulties with system based on MUMPS. One has to look hard for any references to it in their marketing material. Instead, it is called post-relational, object oriented, and multi-dimensional. All of which is true. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joseph Dal Molin Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Consider it done Kevingreat ideaespecially the part about delegating Nancy to do the work :-) Joseph Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Someone from my group was grumbling recently that VistA is going to be a bad option for our group because is it old technology. And then Bhaskar posts regarding a Thai Bank converting to GT.M. And Nancy regularly posts ongoing news about VistA etc. Could we start a subpage on the WorldVistA web site that lists these news stories, so I could take someone there and show them at a glance all the ongoing activity? It would help prove that M / VistA is not dead. I'd like to nominate Nancy to be the one to regularly add to such a page.. :-) Nancy, you can thank me later. LOL! Kevin Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=29914/*http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members = A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. --Benjamin Disraeli Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
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And then there are the power plants that still use ... gasp! ... steam! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ormsby, Skip Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Hmm... I wonder if those folks who use the old technology argument, don't drive a vehicle that uses a piston engine? After all the piston engine has been around for a very long time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Kevin, You are battling an age-old predjudice against M. It seems M was considered old technology (by the un-informed), before it was old ! I think alot of the predjudice goes back to the poorly chosen (IMO) name of MUMPS, for the language. Had it has been named Laser or maybe just M in the beginning, it might have enjoyed a different trajectory. Certainly the biggest M vendor understands the marketing difficulties with system based on MUMPS. One has to look hard for any references to it in their marketing material. Instead, it is called post-relational, object oriented, and multi-dimensional. All of which is true. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joseph Dal Molin Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Consider it done Kevingreat ideaespecially the part about delegating Nancy to do the work :-) Joseph Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Someone from my group was grumbling recently that VistA is going to be a bad option for our group because is it old technology. And then Bhaskar posts regarding a Thai Bank converting to GT.M. And Nancy regularly posts ongoing news about VistA etc. Could we start a subpage on the WorldVistA web site that lists these news stories, so I could take someone there and show them at a glance all the ongoing activity? It would help prove that M / VistA is not dead. I'd like to nominate Nancy to be the one to regularly add to such a page.. :-) Nancy, you can thank me later. LOL! Kevin -- -- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=29914/*http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
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Well, yes, but most our cars are not powered by steam today (unless they're electric, that is). There is no contradiction in using old technology and changing with the times. --- Cameron Schlehuber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And then there are the power plants that still use ... gasp! ... steam! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ormsby, Skip Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Hmm... I wonder if those folks who use the old technology argument, don't drive a vehicle that uses a piston engine? After all the piston engine has been around for a very long time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Kevin, You are battling an age-old predjudice against M. It seems M was considered old technology (by the un-informed), before it was old ! I think alot of the predjudice goes back to the poorly chosen (IMO) name of MUMPS, for the language. Had it has been named Laser or maybe just M in the beginning, it might have enjoyed a different trajectory. Certainly the biggest M vendor understands the marketing difficulties with system based on MUMPS. One has to look hard for any references to it in their marketing material. Instead, it is called post-relational, object oriented, and multi-dimensional. All of which is true. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joseph Dal Molin Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Consider it done Kevingreat ideaespecially the part about delegating Nancy to do the work :-) Joseph Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Someone from my group was grumbling recently that VistA is going to be a bad option for our group because is it old technology. And then Bhaskar posts regarding a Thai Bank converting to GT.M. And Nancy regularly posts ongoing news about VistA etc. Could we start a subpage on the WorldVistA web site that lists these news stories, so I could take someone there and show them at a glance all the ongoing activity? It would help prove that M / VistA is not dead. I'd like to nominate Nancy to be the one to regularly add to such a page.. :-) Nancy, you can thank me later. LOL! Kevin -- -- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=29914/*http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members = A practical man is a man who practices the errors of his forefathers. --Benjamin Disraeli Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product
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Ah yes. . . Because of those lobbying efforts, the VA tried the newer technology at three of it's medical center. Each site failed, miserably. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Gordon Moreshead Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 3, 2004 10:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Don't forget the huge lobby efforts in and around Washington (because of heavy government use of M) that have worked very hard for years to cast M as old Technology. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cameron Schlehuber Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library And then there are the power plants that still use ... gasp! ... steam! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ormsby, Skip Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Hmm... I wonder if those folks who use the old technology argument, don't drive a vehicle that uses a piston engine? After all the piston engine has been around for a very long time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Kevin, You are battling an age-old predjudice against M. It seems M was considered old technology (by the un-informed), before it was old ! I think alot of the predjudice goes back to the poorly chosen (IMO) name of MUMPS, for the language. Had it has been named Laser or maybe just M in the beginning, it might have enjoyed a different trajectory. Certainly the biggest M vendor understands the marketing difficulties with system based on MUMPS. One has to look hard for any references to it in their marketing material. Instead, it is called post-relational, object oriented, and multi-dimensional. All of which is true. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joseph Dal Molin Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Consider it done Kevingreat ideaespecially the part about delegating Nancy to do the work :-) Joseph Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Someone from my group was grumbling recently that VistA is going to be a bad option for our group because is it old technology. And then Bhaskar posts regarding a Thai Bank converting to GT.M. And Nancy regularly posts ongoing news about VistA etc. Could we start a subpage on the WorldVistA web site that lists these news stories, so I could take someone there and show them at a glance all the ongoing activity? It would help prove that M / VistA is not dead. I'd like to nominate Nancy to be the one to regularly add to such a page.. :-) Nancy, you can thank me later. LOL! Kevin -- -- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=29914/*http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds
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It also doesn't help that current M providers don't say 'M'. They don't because it is [currently] perceived as legacy and instead push object oriented, relational, SQL, etc. By pushing other technologies those vendors can be comparable to Oracle and Microsoft on paper and for traditional CIOs. However, by excluding 'M', they're not screaming We're not legacy! - instead they say What's M? No, we use this super new fast object based *system*. Does the fact that GTM doesn't say SQL or object oriented by itself put it off the scope? I think if vendors admitted (on their home page) that M still exists, it would mean that M isn't dead. The fact that M can be combined with newer technologies such as Web Services and ODBC is a great thing. And it also proved that it can move forward as a development tool just like standard C and ASM. I wouldn't want to compare M to COBOL and say COBOL's not dead either. Aligning M with the likes of C# might not be the wisest course of action. Proving that M isn't dead by showing signs of its youth, use, and extensibility seems wiser. Google 'MUMPS Server' - lots of good relevant hits to products Google 'SQL Server' - same Google 'COBOL Server' - tons of developer related sites - not many products - ever hear of Micro Focus Server? (me - not really) Lesson - COBOL's dead. It exists because migration is costly and takes time. M isn't dead because we're still writing new implementations for it. Not many COBOL developers writing totally new implementations for new customers - they're mostly programs needing tweaks and in 'maintenance mode'. But sad to say, not many jobs pushing M or COBOL. :( Not quite what the college kids are learning or excited about. But that's a whole other thread. /David. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Link, Chuck M Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 12:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Ah yes. . . Because of those lobbying efforts, the VA tried the newer technology at three of it's medical center. Each site failed, miserably. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Gordon Moreshead Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 3, 2004 10:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Don't forget the huge lobby efforts in and around Washington (because of heavy government use of M) that have worked very hard for years to cast M as old Technology. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cameron Schlehuber Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library And then there are the power plants that still use ... gasp! ... steam! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ormsby, Skip Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Hmm... I wonder if those folks who use the old technology argument, don't drive a vehicle that uses a piston engine? After all the piston engine has been around for a very long time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Kevin, You are battling an age-old predjudice against M. It seems M was considered old technology (by the un-informed), before it was old ! I think alot of the predjudice goes back to the poorly chosen (IMO) name of MUMPS, for the language. Had it has been named Laser or maybe just M in the beginning, it might have enjoyed a different trajectory. Certainly the biggest M vendor understands the marketing difficulties with system based on MUMPS. One has to look hard for any references to it in their marketing material. Instead, it is called post-relational, object oriented, and multi-dimensional. All of which is true. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joseph Dal Molin Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Consider it done Kevingreat ideaespecially the part about delegating Nancy to do the work :-) Joseph Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Someone from my group was grumbling recently that VistA is going to be a bad option for our group because is it old technology. And then Bhaskar posts regarding a Thai Bank converting to GT.M. And Nancy regularly posts ongoing news about VistA etc. Could we start a subpage on the WorldVistA web site that lists these news stories, so I could take someone there and show them at a glance
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Vista is not old technology because of the language that it is written in. Vists is called old technology because it only has crude user interfaces that are text based. It was designed a long time ago and there is still code that is based on the assumptions of a time that used linited resourses and had no / poor network connections, and was developed in a governmental entity were things are also done because of politics. M seems like a good solid language for writing databases (which most of the people on this list will agree Vista is). C\C++are legacy languages but is still used for many programs. IMHO what we need to do with Vista is examine what we want out of it, that should not take long because it does so much. Look at some of the problem areas and come up with solutions. Vista now tries to do it all it serves as a DB management tool, Front end presentaion tool, and network communication tool. This most likely should be separated and put into different places. The undelying code should not be tied to the presentation of the data. We do not need to rewrite all of Vista but we need to take a look under the hood and see if the assumptions that were there when the code was designed still hold true. Remember, Oracle, DB2 even CACHE I belive uses ODBC or JBDC to do the network communication and uses Visual Basic or Java to do the presentation, let's look at the whole picture and start with a good design using all that has been learned in the past to rewrite a good product using as much of what we already have to create a newly designed great product of he future. (holy crap is this ever longer than I thought it would be) Thank you, Marc Aylesworth Health Specialist Technician Oneida Indian Nation 223 Genesee Street Oneida, New York 13421 (315) 829-8909 This electronic transmission is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. You are also requested to please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and delete the original message. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cameron Schlehuber Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 11:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library And then there are the power plants that still use ... gasp! ... steam! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ormsby, Skip Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Hmm... I wonder if those folks who use the old technology argument, don't drive a vehicle that uses a piston engine? After all the piston engine has been around for a very long time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Kevin, You are battling an age-old predjudice against M. It seems M was considered old technology (by the un-informed), before it was old ! I think alot of the predjudice goes back to the poorly chosen (IMO) name of MUMPS, for the language. Had it has been named Laser or maybe just M in the beginning, it might have enjoyed a different trajectory. Certainly the biggest M vendor understands the marketing difficulties with system based on MUMPS. One has to look hard for any references to it in their marketing material. Instead, it is called post-relational, object oriented, and multi-dimensional. All of which is true. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joseph Dal Molin Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Consider it done Kevingreat ideaespecially the part about delegating Nancy to do the work :-) Joseph Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Someone from my group was grumbling recently that VistA is going to be a bad option for our group because is it old technology. And then Bhaskar posts regarding a Thai Bank converting to GT.M. And Nancy regularly posts ongoing news about VistA etc. Could we start a subpage on the WorldVistA web site that lists these news stories, so I could take someone there and show them at a glance all the ongoing activity? It would help prove that M / VistA is not dead. I'd like to nominate Nancy to be the one to regularly add to such a page.. :-) Nancy, you can thank me later. LOL! Kevin -- -- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now
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Have you all seen this? M21 - raising the standard again. I find the web-site most interesting, especially the references to the users of M outside healthcare. http://www.m21.uk.com/definition.php In their new to M? page, they've turned the table on the referencing the word legacy on the SQL databases. The performance of M is truly astonishing. Intersystems quote the following for Caché, their implementation of M. ...with SQL performance then we typically find that Caché is between 2 and 20 times faster than the legacy SQL databases such as Oracle, Informix, Sybase etc. The exact performance increase depending on data complexity, join complexity etc. Molly David Sommers wrote: It also doesn't help that current M providers don't say 'M'. They don't because it is [currently] perceived as legacy and instead push object oriented, relational, SQL, etc. By pushing other technologies those vendors can be comparable to Oracle and Microsoft on paper and for traditional CIOs. However, by excluding 'M', they're not screaming We're not legacy! - instead they say What's M? No, we use this super new fast object based *system*. Does the fact that GTM doesn't say SQL or object oriented by itself put it off the scope? I think if vendors admitted (on their home page) that M still exists, it would mean that M isn't dead. The fact that M can be combined with newer technologies such as Web Services and ODBC is a great thing. And it also proved that it can move forward as a development tool just like standard C and ASM. I wouldn't want to compare M to COBOL and say COBOL's not dead either. Aligning M with the likes of C# might not be the wisest course of action. Proving that M isn't dead by showing signs of its youth, use, and extensibility seems wiser. Google 'MUMPS Server' - lots of good relevant hits to products Google 'SQL Server' - same Google 'COBOL Server' - tons of developer related sites - not many products - ever hear of Micro Focus Server? (me - not really) Lesson - COBOL's dead. It exists because migration is costly and takes time. M isn't dead because we're still writing new implementations for it. Not many COBOL developers writing totally new implementations for new customers - they're mostly programs needing tweaks and in 'maintenance mode'. But sad to say, not many jobs pushing M or COBOL. :( Not quite what the college kids are learning or excited about. But that's a whole other thread. /David. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Link, Chuck M Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 12:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Ah yes. . . Because of those lobbying efforts, the VA tried the newer technology at three of it's medical center. Each site failed, miserably. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Gordon Moreshead Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 3, 2004 10:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Don't forget the huge lobby efforts in and around Washington (because of heavy government use of M) that have worked very hard for years to cast M as old Technology. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cameron Schlehuber Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library And then there are the power plants that still use ... gasp! ... steam! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ormsby, Skip Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Hmm... I wonder if those folks who use the old technology argument, don't drive a vehicle that uses a piston engine? After all the piston engine has been around for a very long time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 10:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Kevin, You are battling an age-old predjudice against M. It seems M was considered old technology (by the un-informed), before it was old ! I think alot of the predjudice goes back to the poorly chosen (IMO) name of MUMPS, for the language. Had it has been named Laser or maybe just M in the beginning, it might have enjoyed a different trajectory. Certainly the biggest M vendor understands the marketing difficulties with system based on MUMPS. One has to look hard for any references to it in their marketing material. Instead, it is called post-relational, object oriented, and multi-dimensional. All of which is true. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joseph Dal Molin Sent
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Agreed - and there are a ton of packages to install and capable of fitting our needs. Heck, they even have .NET versions that run on IIS/Windows. We had discussed something like this in the past in regards to just collating documentation and nothing happened. I'd love a Wiki site to: 1) Bring together links and snippets of news related to M and VistA 2) Links to existing documentation strung out on all our web sites 3) Living and breathing documentation by moving everything from #2 into Wiki itself (this will take time - at least #2 will centralize everything). 4) A single Point Of Entry for non-hardhats people to quickly get up to speed on downloading, installing, using, understanding, and deciding M/VistA. Thoughts? Any other goals that would make Wiki to attractive to ignore? /David. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Toppenberg Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 8:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Ideally this could be a wikki site, where any of us could cut and paste an article or URL directly to the website. Otherwise one person will have to do all the editing. Kevin --- Greg Kreis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can get Nancy setup as a Hardhats volunteer so she can have a webpage at Hardhats that she can maintain... ;-) Sorry, Nancy, I felt compelled to remove any technique hurdles so you could make a clear and informed decision... ;-0 ;- Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Someone from my group was grumbling recently that VistA is going to be a bad option for our group because is it old technology. And then Bhaskar posts regarding a Thai Bank converting to GT.M. And Nancy regularly posts ongoing news about VistA etc. Could we start a subpage on the WorldVistA web site that lists these news stories, so I could take someone there and show them at a glance all the ongoing activity? It would help prove that M / VistA is not dead. I'd like to nominate Nancy to be the one to regularly add to such a page.. :-) Nancy, you can thank me later. LOL! Kevin Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=29914/*http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 -- Greg Kreishttp://www.PioneerDataSys.com The future is here. It's just not widely distributed yet. -William Gibson __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
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Actually, as soon as I posted this, I realized that there is already a wikki site up doing this. Here is the URL: http://www.mcenter.com/mtrc/pmwiki/pmwiki.php I created a news page, and I encourage you all to add to it! Kevin --- David Sommers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed - and there are a ton of packages to install and capable of fitting our needs. Heck, they even have .NET versions that run on IIS/Windows. We had discussed something like this in the past in regards to just collating documentation and nothing happened. I'd love a Wiki site to: 1) Bring together links and snippets of news related to M and VistA 2) Links to existing documentation strung out on all our web sites 3) Living and breathing documentation by moving everything from #2 into Wiki itself (this will take time - at least #2 will centralize everything). 4) A single Point Of Entry for non-hardhats people to quickly get up to speed on downloading, installing, using, understanding, and deciding M/VistA. Thoughts? Any other goals that would make Wiki to attractive to ignore? /David. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Toppenberg Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 8:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Ideally this could be a wikki site, where any of us could cut and paste an article or URL directly to the website. Otherwise one person will have to do all the editing. Kevin --- Greg Kreis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can get Nancy setup as a Hardhats volunteer so she can have a webpage at Hardhats that she can maintain... ;-) Sorry, Nancy, I felt compelled to remove any technique hurdles so you could make a clear and informed decision... ;-0 ;- Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Someone from my group was grumbling recently that VistA is going to be a bad option for our group because is it old technology. And then Bhaskar posts regarding a Thai Bank converting to GT.M. And Nancy regularly posts ongoing news about VistA etc. Could we start a subpage on the WorldVistA web site that lists these news stories, so I could take someone there and show them at a glance all the ongoing activity? It would help prove that M / VistA is not dead. I'd like to nominate Nancy to be the one to regularly add to such a page.. :-) Nancy, you can thank me later. LOL! Kevin Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=29914/*http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 -- Greg Kreishttp://www.PioneerDataSys.com The future is here. It's just not widely distributed yet. -William Gibson __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
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I added a couple of device file entries but the first line of each device is in times roman and the rest is in courier How can I make all of the text into courier to match the rest of the page? There are not device file examples for GT.M, it would be nice if there are examples there. Fil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Toppenberg Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Actually, as soon as I posted this, I realized that there is already a wikki site up doing this. Here is the URL: http://www.mcenter.com/mtrc/pmwiki/pmwiki.php I created a news page, and I encourage you all to add to it! Kevin --- David Sommers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed - and there are a ton of packages to install and capable of fitting our needs. Heck, they even have .NET versions that run on IIS/Windows. We had discussed something like this in the past in regards to just collating documentation and nothing happened. I'd love a Wiki site to: 1) Bring together links and snippets of news related to M and VistA 2) Links to existing documentation strung out on all our web sites 3) Living and breathing documentation by moving everything from #2 into Wiki itself (this will take time - at least #2 will centralize everything). 4) A single Point Of Entry for non-hardhats people to quickly get up to speed on downloading, installing, using, understanding, and deciding M/VistA. Thoughts? Any other goals that would make Wiki to attractive to ignore? /David. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Toppenberg Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 8:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Ideally this could be a wikki site, where any of us could cut and paste an article or URL directly to the website. Otherwise one person will have to do all the editing. Kevin --- Greg Kreis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can get Nancy setup as a Hardhats volunteer so she can have a webpage at Hardhats that she can maintain... ;-) Sorry, Nancy, I felt compelled to remove any technique hurdles so you could make a clear and informed decision... ;-0 ;- Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Someone from my group was grumbling recently that VistA is going to be a bad option for our group because is it old technology. And then Bhaskar posts regarding a Thai Bank converting to GT.M. And Nancy regularly posts ongoing news about VistA etc. Could we start a subpage on the WorldVistA web site that lists these news stories, so I could take someone there and show them at a glance all the ongoing activity? It would help prove that M / VistA is not dead. I'd like to nominate Nancy to be the one to regularly add to such a page.. :-) Nancy, you can thank me later. LOL! Kevin Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=29914/*http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 -- Greg Kreishttp://www.PioneerDataSys.com The future is here. It's just not widely distributed yet. -William Gibson __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http
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Fil, I just looked at your entry, and I see what you mean. I tried to see if I could figure out why it was doing that, but couldn't. Sorry. I didn't set up that wikki site. But it seems to me to be a great resource. I think no one uses it because the URL is hard to remember. I have it in my links. Kevin --- Beza, Fil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I added a couple of device file entries but the first line of each device is in times roman and the rest is in courier How can I make all of the text into courier to match the rest of the page? There are not device file examples for GT.M, it would be nice if there are examples there. Fil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Toppenberg Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Actually, as soon as I posted this, I realized that there is already a wikki site up doing this. Here is the URL: http://www.mcenter.com/mtrc/pmwiki/pmwiki.php I created a news page, and I encourage you all to add to it! Kevin --- David Sommers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed - and there are a ton of packages to install and capable of fitting our needs. Heck, they even have .NET versions that run on IIS/Windows. We had discussed something like this in the past in regards to just collating documentation and nothing happened. I'd love a Wiki site to: 1) Bring together links and snippets of news related to M and VistA 2) Links to existing documentation strung out on all our web sites 3) Living and breathing documentation by moving everything from #2 into Wiki itself (this will take time - at least #2 will centralize everything). 4) A single Point Of Entry for non-hardhats people to quickly get up to speed on downloading, installing, using, understanding, and deciding M/VistA. Thoughts? Any other goals that would make Wiki to attractive to ignore? /David. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Toppenberg Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 8:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Ideally this could be a wikki site, where any of us could cut and paste an article or URL directly to the website. Otherwise one person will have to do all the editing. Kevin --- Greg Kreis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can get Nancy setup as a Hardhats volunteer so she can have a webpage at Hardhats that she can maintain... ;-) Sorry, Nancy, I felt compelled to remove any technique hurdles so you could make a clear and informed decision... ;-0 ;- Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Someone from my group was grumbling recently that VistA is going to be a bad option for our group because is it old technology. And then Bhaskar posts regarding a Thai Bank converting to GT.M. And Nancy regularly posts ongoing news about VistA etc. Could we start a subpage on the WorldVistA web site that lists these news stories, so I could take someone there and show them at a glance all the ongoing activity? It would help prove that M / VistA is not dead. I'd like to nominate Nancy to be the one to regularly add to such a page.. :-) Nancy, you can thank me later. LOL! Kevin Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=29914/*http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 -- Greg Kreishttp://www.PioneerDataSys.com The future is here. It's just not widely distributed yet. -William Gibson __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats
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Kevin, Nancy, WorldVistA: I have a news story library on my personal wiki - I'm willing to assist - Let me know where to post. ...Dee Knapp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Dal Molin Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 8:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] We need a news stories library Consider it done Kevingreat ideaespecially the part about delegating Nancy to do the work :-) Joseph Kevin Toppenberg wrote: Someone from my group was grumbling recently that VistA is going to be a bad option for our group because is it old technology. And then Bhaskar posts regarding a Thai Bank converting to GT.M. And Nancy regularly posts ongoing news about VistA etc. Could we start a subpage on the WorldVistA web site that lists these news stories, so I could take someone there and show them at a glance all the ongoing activity? It would help prove that M / VistA is not dead. I'd like to nominate Nancy to be the one to regularly add to such a page.. :-) Nancy, you can thank me later. LOL! Kevin Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=29914/*http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Hardhats-members mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members
