Re: [ha-Safran] Good news for books, bad news for Librarians
I do not think this is bad for librarians. Programming can still be emphasized including book clubs, story times for kids, etc. People still want reader's advisories. E-book collections can be developed as well. - Heather Lenson Librarian at Ratner Media Technology Center Jewish Education Center of Cleveland 2030 South Taylor Road Cleveland Heights, Ohio 44118 PH: (216) 371-8228 FX: (216) 371-2523 E-mail: hlen...@jecc.org From: hasafran-bounces+hlenson=jecc@lists.service.ohio-state.edu [mailto:hasafran-bounces+hlenson=jecc@lists.service.ohio-state.edu] On Behalf Of Andrea Rapp Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 4:08 PM To: Hasafran Subject: [ha-Safran] Good news for books, bad news for Librarians Like I was saying. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/05/pew-e-book-survey-20-percent-of-u-s-is-reading-electronically.html Andrea Rapp __ Messages and opinions expressed on Hasafran are those of the individual author and are not necessarily endorsed by the Association of Jewish Libraries (AJL) == Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu To join Ha-Safran, update or change your subscription, etc. - click here: https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran Questions, problems, complaints, compliments send to: galro...@osu.edu Ha-Safran Archives: Current: http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.service.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html Earlier Listserver: http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.acs.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org -- Hasafran mailing list Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran
Re: [ha-Safran] Good news for books, bad news for Librarians
Andrea Rapp is right, when designing libraries that will focus on programs and E-book collection the library should have less shelf space and a nice multi purpose social hall and story well for children. What type of technology will you recommend ? Amalia Warshenbrot Sent from my iPad On Apr 9, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Heather Lenson hlen...@jecc.org wrote: I do not think this is bad for librarians. Programming can still be emphasized including book clubs, story times for kids, etc. People still want reader’s advisories. E-book collections can be developed as well. - Heather Lenson Librarian at Ratner Media Technology Center Jewish Education Center of Cleveland 2030 South Taylor Road Cleveland Heights, Ohio 44118 PH: (216) 371-8228 FX: (216) 371-2523 E-mail: hlen...@jecc.org From: hasafran-bounces+hlenson=jecc@lists.service.ohio-state.edu [mailto:hasafran-bounces+hlenson=jecc@lists.service.ohio-state.edu] On Behalf Of Andrea Rapp Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 4:08 PM To: Hasafran Subject: [ha-Safran] Good news for books, bad news for Librarians Like I was saying. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/05/pew-e-book-survey-20-percent-of-u-s-is-reading-electronically.html Andrea Rapp __ Messages and opinions expressed on Hasafran are those of the individual author and are not necessarily endorsed by the Association of Jewish Libraries (AJL) == Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu To join Ha-Safran, update or change your subscription, etc. - click here: https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran Questions, problems, complaints, compliments send to: galro...@osu.edu Ha-Safran Archives: Current: http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.service.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html Earlier Listserver: http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.acs.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org -- Hasafran mailing list Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran__ Messages and opinions expressed on Hasafran are those of the individual author and are not necessarily endorsed by the Association of Jewish Libraries (AJL) == Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu To join Ha-Safran, update or change your subscription, etc. - click here: https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran Questions, problems, complaints, compliments send to: galro...@osu.edu Ha-Safran Archives: Current: http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.service.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html Earlier Listserver: http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.acs.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org -- Hasafran mailing list Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran
Re: [ha-Safran] Good news for books, bad news for Librarians
I would ask all of Ha-Safran that question. Overdrive is the e-book lending service for libraries. Libraries may want to have Kindles on-hand for in-library viewing. - Heather Lenson Librarian at Ratner Media Technology Center Jewish Education Center of Cleveland 2030 South Taylor Road Cleveland Heights, Ohio 44118 PH: (216) 371-8228 FX: (216) 371-2523 E-mail: hlen...@jecc.org From: Amalia Warshenbrot [mailto:amalia...@att.net] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 10:24 AM To: Heather Lenson Cc: Andrea Rapp; Hasafran Subject: Re: [ha-Safran] Good news for books, bad news for Librarians Andrea Rapp is right, when designing libraries that will focus on programs and E-book collection the library should have less shelf space and a nice multi purpose social hall and story well for children. What type of technology will you recommend ? Amalia Warshenbrot Sent from my iPad On Apr 9, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Heather Lenson hlen...@jecc.orgmailto:hlen...@jecc.org wrote: I do not think this is bad for librarians. Programming can still be emphasized including book clubs, story times for kids, etc. People still want reader’s advisories. E-book collections can be developed as well. - Heather Lenson Librarian at Ratner Media Technology Center Jewish Education Center of Cleveland 2030 South Taylor Road Cleveland Heights, Ohio 44118 PH: (216) 371-8228 FX: (216) 371-2523 E-mail: hlen...@jecc.orgmailto:hlen...@jecc.org From: hasafran-bounces+hlenson=jecc@lists.service.ohio-state.edumailto:hasafran-bounces+hlenson=jecc@lists.service.ohio-state.edu [mailto:hasafran-bounces+hlenson=jecc@lists.service.ohio-state.edumailto:jecc@lists.service.ohio-state.edu] On Behalf Of Andrea Rapp Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 4:08 PM To: Hasafran Subject: [ha-Safran] Good news for books, bad news for Librarians Like I was saying. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/04/05/pew-e-book-survey-20-percent-of-u-s-is-reading-electronically.html Andrea Rapp __ Messages and opinions expressed on Hasafran are those of the individual author and are not necessarily endorsed by the Association of Jewish Libraries (AJL) == Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edumailto:Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu To join Ha-Safran, update or change your subscription, etc. - click here: https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran Questions, problems, complaints, compliments send to: galro...@osu.edumailto:galro...@osu.edu Ha-Safran Archives: Current: http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.service.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html Earlier Listserver: http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.acs.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org -- Hasafran mailing list Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edumailto:Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran __ Messages and opinions expressed on Hasafran are those of the individual author and are not necessarily endorsed by the Association of Jewish Libraries (AJL) == Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu To join Ha-Safran, update or change your subscription, etc. - click here: https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran Questions, problems, complaints, compliments send to: galro...@osu.edu Ha-Safran Archives: Current: http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.service.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html Earlier Listserver: http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.acs.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org -- Hasafran mailing list Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran
Re: [ha-Safran] Good news for books, bad news for Librarians
The only problems with the transition to ebooks from printed books are that at present most publishers don't want to sell to libraries and use a DRM system that prevents loans (but this will change in time), and that Orthodox Jews will still want printed books for Shabbos (based on past practices, I assume Conservative and Reform will have no trouble switching to something resembling tablets) - it would take a change to certain physical laws to produce a tablet that could be used without consuming energy. The DRM issue will probably settle itself since library users have a lot more protectsia than publishers, and a prolonged boycott of libraries by publishers would lead to changes in the copyright law that publishers wouldn't like. Of course the transition will be traumatic for some people, as was the switch from clay tablets to paper, or from manuscripts to printed books (in most Muslim countries the scribes managed to restrict use of printing so long that the countries went from 1st world to 3rd world). Physically, future libraries will probably look more like internet cafes. Aaron Aaron Wolfe Kuperman Library of Congress, ABA USPL, Law Cataloging Section This is NOT an official communication from the Library of Congress. On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, Amalia Warshenbrot wrote: Andrea Rapp is right, when designing libraries that will focus on programs and E-book collection the library should have less shelf space and a nice multi purpose social hall and story well for children. What type of technology will you recommend ? Amalia Warshenbrot Sent from my iPad On Apr 9, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Heather Lenson hlen...@jecc.org wrote: I do not think this is bad for librarians. Programming can still be emphasized including book clubs, story times for kids, etc. People still want reader???s advisories. E-book collections can be developed as well. - __ Messages and opinions expressed on Hasafran are those of the individual author and are not necessarily endorsed by the Association of Jewish Libraries (AJL) == Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu To join Ha-Safran, update or change your subscription, etc. - click here: https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran Questions, problems, complaints, compliments send to: galro...@osu.edu Ha-Safran Archives: Current: http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.service.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html Earlier Listserver: http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.acs.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org -- Hasafran mailing list Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran
Re: [ha-Safran] Good news for books, bad news for Librarians
Aaron cited one problem -- four of the big six publishers will not even deal with libraries. A second major problem is that libraries that *do* offer ebooks for download do not actually own the content they offer--they way they own hard copy books-- they simply lease for a year. At the end of that year, they have nothing. They can pay to renew the lease i.e. pay up again for the content. Then again, the publisher may decide to no longer offer its content to libraries (this has happened)--then the material that the library paid for in the past is --poof--gone and can't be offered anymore. Of course there is also the issue of ebooks-for-loan making libraries and librarians superfluous. Furthermore, Amazon is starting to get into the lending of ebooks. The problems with libraries offering ebooks are obviously very major. Andrea Rapp --- On Mon, 4/9/12, Aaron Kuperman a...@loc.gov wrote: From: Aaron Kuperman a...@loc.gov Subject: Re: [ha-Safran] Good news for books, bad news for Librarians To: Amalia Warshenbrot amalia...@att.net Cc: Hasafran hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 11:23 AM The only problems with the transition to ebooks from printed books are that at present most publishers don't want to sell to libraries and use a DRM system that prevents loans (but this will change in time), and that Orthodox Jews will still want printed books for Shabbos (based on past practices, I assume Conservative and Reform will have no trouble switching to something resembling tablets) - it would take a change to certain physical laws to produce a tablet that could be used without consuming energy. The DRM issue will probably settle itself since library users have a lot more protectsia than publishers, and a prolonged boycott of libraries by publishers would lead to changes in the copyright law that publishers wouldn't like. Of course the transition will be traumatic for some people, as was the switch from clay tablets to paper, or from manuscripts to printed books (in most Muslim countries the scribes managed to restrict use of printing so long that the countries went from 1st world to 3rd world). Physically, future libraries will probably look more like internet cafes. Aaron Aaron Wolfe Kuperman Library of Congress, ABA USPL, Law Cataloging Section This is NOT an official communication from the Library of Congress. On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, Amalia Warshenbrot wrote: Andrea Rapp is right, when designing libraries that will focus on programs and E-book collection the library should have less shelf space and a nice multi purpose social hall and story well for children. What type of technology will you recommend ? Amalia Warshenbrot Sent from my iPad On Apr 9, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Heather Lenson hlen...@jecc.org wrote: I do not think this is bad for librarians. Programming can still be emphasized including book clubs, story times for kids, etc. People still want reader’s advisories. E-book collections can be developed as well. - -Inline Attachment Follows- __ Messages and opinions expressed on Hasafran are those of the individual author and are not necessarily endorsed by the Association of Jewish Libraries (AJL) == Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu To join Ha-Safran, update or change your subscription, etc. - click here: https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran Questions, problems, complaints, compliments send to: galro...@osu.edu Ha-Safran Archives: Current: http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.service.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html Earlier Listserver: http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.acs.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org -- Hasafran mailing list Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran __ Messages and opinions expressed on Hasafran are those of the individual author and are not necessarily endorsed by the Association of Jewish Libraries (AJL) == Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu To join Ha-Safran, update or change your subscription, etc. - click here: https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran Questions, problems, complaints, compliments send to: galro...@osu.edu Ha-Safran Archives: Current: http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.service.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html Earlier Listserver: http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.acs.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org -- Hasafran mailing list Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran
Re: [ha-Safran] Good news for books, bad news for Librarians
Meanwhile in Toronto, Canada . Next Monday (April 16th), the Ontario chapter of AJL is having an evening program on the subject of e-books and e-readers and the ways that libraries can benefit from them. Our speaker will be Gloria Jacobs of the Toronto Public Library. I'm sure the issues that have been discussed on hasafran will be brought up there and we'll see how they get addressed. Steven M. Bergson, MLIS Toronto, ON Aaron cited one problem -- four of the big six publishers will not even deal with libraries. A second major problem is that libraries that *do* offer ebooks for download do not actually own the content they offer--they way they own hard copy books-- they simply lease for a year. At the end of that year, they have nothing. They can pay to renew the lease i.e. pay up again for the content. Then again, the publisher may decide to no longer offer its content to libraries (this has happened)--then the material that the library paid for in the past is --poof--gone and can't be offered anymore. Of course there is also the issue of ebooks-for-loan making libraries and librarians superfluous. Furthermore, Amazon is starting to get into the lending of ebooks. The problems with libraries offering ebooks are obviously very major. Andrea Rapp --- On Mon, 4/9/12, Aaron Kuperman a...@loc.gov wrote: From: Aaron Kuperman a...@loc.gov Subject: Re: [ha-Safran] Good news for books, bad news for Librarians To: Amalia Warshenbrot amalia...@att.net Cc: Hasafran hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu Date: Monday, April 9, 2012, 11:23 AM The only problems with the transition to ebooks from printed books are that at present most publishers don't want to sell to libraries and use a DRM system that prevents loans (but this will change in time), and that Orthodox Jews will still want printed books for Shabbos (based on past practices, I assume Conservative and Reform will have no trouble switching to something resembling tablets) - it would take a change to certain physical laws to produce a tablet that could be used without consuming energy. The DRM issue will probably settle itself since library users have a lot more protectsia than publishers, and a prolonged boycott of libraries by publishers would lead to changes in the copyright law that publishers wouldn't like. Of course the transition will be traumatic for some people, as was the switch from clay tablets to paper, or from manuscripts to printed books (in most Muslim countries the scribes managed to restrict use of printing so long that the countries went from 1st world to 3rd world). Physically, future libraries will probably look more like internet cafes. Aaron Aaron Wolfe Kuperman Library of Congress, ABA USPL, Law Cataloging Section This is NOT an official communication from the Library of Congress. On Mon, 9 Apr 2012, Amalia Warshenbrot wrote: Andrea Rapp is right, when designing libraries that will focus on programs and E-book collection the library should have less shelf space and a nice multi purpose social hall and story well for children. What type of technology will you recommend ? Amalia Warshenbrot Sent from my iPad On Apr 9, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Heather Lenson hlen...@jecc.org wrote: I do not think this is bad for librarians. Programming can still be emphasized including book clubs, story times for kids, etc. People still want reader’s advisories. E-book collections can be developed as well. - -Inline Attachment Follows- __ Messages and opinions expressed on Hasafran are those of the individual author and are not necessarily endorsed by the Association of Jewish Libraries (AJL) == Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu To join Ha-Safran, update or change your subscription, etc. - click here: https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran Questions, problems, complaints, compliments send to: galro...@osu.edu Ha-Safran Archives: Current: http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.service.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html Earlier Listserver: http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.acs.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org -- Hasafran mailing list Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran -Inline Attachment Follows- __ Messages and opinions expressed on Hasafran are those of the individual author and are not necessarily endorsed by the Association of Jewish Libraries (AJL) == Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu To join Ha-Safran, update or change your subscription, etc. - click here: https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran Questions, problems, complaints, compliments send to: galro...@osu.edu Ha-Safran Archives: Current:
[ha-Safran] EBooks and the Future of Libraries
The Greater Cleveland Chapter of AJL presented a program on eBooks a few weeks ago. It will be the main subject of our Chapter Chatter for May/June 2012 AJL News. For a preview, please go to http://www.infotoday.com/searcher/apr12/Coffman--The-Decline-and-Fall-of-the -Library-Empire.shtml. This is a link to an article that every librarian should read. Linda R. Silver 3729 Meadowbrook Blvd. University Heights, OH 44118 silve...@roadrunner.com __ Messages and opinions expressed on Hasafran are those of the individual author and are not necessarily endorsed by the Association of Jewish Libraries (AJL) == Submissions for Ha-Safran, send to: Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu To join Ha-Safran, update or change your subscription, etc. - click here: https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran Questions, problems, complaints, compliments send to: galro...@osu.edu Ha-Safran Archives: Current: http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.service.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html Earlier Listserver: http://www.mail-archive.com/hasafran%40lists.acs.ohio-state.edu/maillist.html AJL HomePage http://www.JewishLibraries.org -- Hasafran mailing list Hasafran@lists.service.ohio-state.edu https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/hasafran
