Re: [ha-Safran] Questions for Jewish Librarians

[Beth Dwoskin]

I just sent a paper to Judaica Librarianship proposing a project like this for 
yizkor books.  It would be an international database.  If it worked, it could 
be a model for all Jewish content.
My paper talks about the implications for cataloging.  The two big questions, 
which I don't address, are an umbrella structure for housing the data, doing 
maintenance, etc., and funding.
 Beth Dwoskin  2005 Calumet 
Ann Arbor, MI 48104  
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On Thursday, January 5, 2017 8:29 PM, Barbara Leff <byl...@me.com> wrote:
 

 I had a similar idea about creating a database of Jewish resources way back in 
1980, when I was AJL President.  I invited colleagues from academic/archival 
libraries, synagogue/school/center libraries, Bureau of Jewish Education 
directors, Jewish publishers, and others.  We called the committee, “Creation 
of National Jewish Bibliographic Data Base.”   We discussed it for quite awhile 
via the U.S. mail.  (We didn’t have the luxury of the Internet or emails 
then!).  We met at national conventions and once even in my Library in Los 
Angeles.  It was of great interest.  I remember that we reached the point of 
discussing potential funding sources!
BUT, then, the 1982 Lebanon War occurred, and all funding priorities were for 
Israel's defenses, of course, and none for future resources.  I think I may 
still have the correspondence hard copies - but doubt that it would be of much 
use from 34 years ago.
I don’t recall hearing anything more about this idea, but I’m long retired from 
the AJL Board.  
I like to keep current - thus my joining this ha-Safran discussion.  I still 
think it's a very very worthwhile project and, with today’s technology, it 
seems very doable. 
Best of luck to you.B’Shalom,Barbara
Barbara Y. Leff, M.S.L.S.President, Association of Jewish Libraries (AJL), 
1980-1982Library Director, Stephen S. Wise Temple, Los Angeles, 
1969-1996.Founder/Chair of national committee, "Creation of National Jewish 
Bibliographic Data Base," 1980-84.    Website Committee Chair, AJL of Southern 
California (www.AJLSC.org), 2003-current4949 Genesta Ave., #302, Encino, CA 
91316byl...@me.com - 818.981.6920

On Jan 5, 2017, at 1:37 PM, Toby Harris <thar...@tdhs-nw.org> wrote:
Dear Martha:  I don’t know of one – other than Worldcat, which smaller Jewish 
libraries and maybe some academics aren’t members of.  Sounds like a great 
idea!   Toby Harris, LibrarianTemple De Hirsch Sinai206-693-3379 
Seattle425-559-2578  Bellevuehttp://lib.tdhs-nw.org for library hours, programs 
and CATALOG 
  From: Hasafran [mailto:hasafran-boun...@lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Martha 
McMahon
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:00 AM
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Subject: [ha-Safran] Questions for Jewish Librarians  A member of the board of 
the Jewish Virtual Library posed these questions if anyone can share their 
thoughts: I wanted to know if 1. there is a website which combines all digital 
catalogues from Jewish libraries around the world, which would allow complex 
searches, such as "show me all books on Theodore Herzl's childhood within a 50 
mile radius of Los Angeles"  2. Would Jewish librarians want such a site 
constructed if not available? 
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Re: [ha-Safran] Questions for Jewish Librarians

[Rachel Leket-Mor]

I’d like to remind everyone that such a union catalog exists in Europe. Noémie 
Musnik published an article about it in Judaica Librarianship just a few years 
ago (2014). See citation and direct link below:

Musnik, Noémie. 2014. "Rachel: The Union Catalog of the European Network of 
Judaica and Hebraica Libraries." Judaica Librarianship 18: 116–129. 
doi:10.14263/2330-2976.1020<https://doi.org/10.14263/2330-2976.1020>.

Thank you,
Rachel



Rachel Leket-Mor, MA, MLIS
Curator, IsraPulp Collection
Subject specialist, Religious Studies, Philosophy, Jewish Studies, Medieval and 
Renaissance Studies
Arizona State University Libraries
PO Box 871006
Tempe, AZ 85287-1006
Phone: 480-965-2618

Editor-in-Chief, Judaica Librarianship
Association of Jewish Libraries
http://ajlpublishing.org

On Jan 5, 2017, at 8:36 PM, Aileen Grossberg 
<aido...@aol.com<mailto:aido...@aol.com>> wrote:

It would be a wonderful accomplishment and help mightily when weeding older 
books from small libraries like mine. I am often hesitant about discarding 
older books which no longer have a place both in use, interest, or physical 
self space in my library but I would keep for historic reasons if they appeared 
to be  last copies.

Aileen Grossberg
Lambert Library
Congregation Shomrei Emunah
Montclair, NJ
and Jacobs Library
Oohed Shalom Congregation
South Orange, NJ



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From: Barbara Leff <byl...@me.com<mailto:byl...@me.com>>
To: Toby Harris <thar...@tdhs-nw.org<mailto:thar...@tdhs-nw.org>>
Cc: hasafran 
<hasaf...@lists.service.ohio-state.edu<mailto:hasaf...@lists.service.ohio-state.edu>>;
 enidl <en...@aol.com<mailto:en...@aol.com>>
Sent: Thu, Jan 5, 2017 8:15 pm
Subject: Re: [ha-Safran] Questions for Jewish Librarians

I had a similar idea about creating a database of Jewish resources way back in 
1980, when I was AJL President.  I invited colleagues from academic/archival 
libraries, synagogue/school/center libraries, Bureau of Jewish Education 
directors, Jewish publishers, and others.  We called the committee, “Creation 
of National Jewish Bibliographic Data Base.”   We discussed it for quite awhile 
via the U.S. mail.  (We didn’t have the luxury of the Internet or emails 
then!).  We met at national conventions and once even in my Library in Los 
Angeles.  It was of great interest.  I remember that we reached the point of 
discussing potential funding sources!

BUT, then, the 1982 Lebanon War occurred, and all funding priorities were for 
Israel's defenses, of course, and none for future resources.  I think I may 
still have the correspondence hard copies - but doubt that it would be of much 
use from 34 years ago.

I don’t recall hearing anything more about this idea, but I’m long retired from 
the AJL Board.

I like to keep current - thus my joining this ha-Safran discussion.  I still 
think it's a very very worthwhile project and, with today’s technology, it 
seems very doable.

Best of luck to you.
B’Shalom,
Barbara

Barbara Y. Leff, M.S.L.S.
President, Association of Jewish Libraries (AJL), 1980-1982
Library Director, Stephen S. Wise Temple, Los Angeles, 1969-1996.
Founder/Chair of national committee, "Creation of National Jewish Bibliographic 
Data Base," 1980-84.
Website Committee Chair, AJL of Southern California 
(www.AJLSC.org), 2003-current
4949 Genesta Ave., #302, Encino, CA 91316
byl...@me.com<mailto:byl...@me.com> - 818.981.6920


On Jan 5, 2017, at 1:37 PM, Toby Harris 
<thar...@tdhs-nw.org<mailto:thar...@tdhs-nw.org>> wrote:

Dear Martha:

I don’t know of one – other than Worldcat, which smaller Jewish libraries and 
maybe some academics aren’t members of.  Sounds like a great idea!

Toby Harris, Librarian
Temple De Hirsch Sinai
206-693-3379 Seattle
425-559-2578  Bellevue
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lib.tdhs-2Dnw.org_=DQMFaQ=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU=4btBX3yZ68xKNcSPbfYuT_iVMyDfwjhh86EDs7p8-cc=LTQeT6cvizCeSsrC7kpRz_BTQvE4aTugBBEtxS8g1Zs=cfwwctRadOseWcIgz3hgFetSqqdp1xVYbHZgUTVR2ow=>http://lib.tdhs-nw.org<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lib.tdhs-2Dnw.org=DQMFaQ=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU=4btBX3yZ68xKNcSPbfYuT_iVMyDfwjhh86EDs7p8-cc=LTQeT6cvizCeSsrC7kpRz_BTQvE4aTugBBEtxS8g1Zs=AalcuXsmd4fsNxzad-TSYu2t3dV4SdKrQmU41dq_V5o=>
 for library hours, programs and CATALOG


From: Hasafran [mailto:hasafran-boun...@lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Martha 
McMahon
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:00 AM
To: 
hasaf...@lists.service.ohio-state.edu<mailto:hasaf...@lists.service.ohio-state.edu>
Cc: en...@aol.com<mailto:en...@aol.com>
Subject: [ha-Safran] Questions for Jewish Librarians

A member of the board of the Jewish Virtual Library posed these questions if 
anyone can share their thoughts:

I wanted to know if

1. there is a website which combines all digital catalogues from Jewish 
libraries around 

Re: [ha-Safran] Questions for Jewish Librarians

[Aileen Grossberg]

It would be a wonderful accomplishment and help mightily when weeding older 
books from small libraries like mine. I am often hesitant about discarding 
older books which no longer have a place both in use, interest, or physical 
self space in my library but I would keep for historic reasons if they appeared 
to be  last copies.

Aileen Grossberg
Lambert Library
Congregation Shomrei Emunah
Montclair, NJ
and Jacobs Library
Oohed Shalom Congregation
South Orange, NJ






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From: Barbara Leff <byl...@me.com>
To: Toby Harris <thar...@tdhs-nw.org>
Cc: hasafran <hasaf...@lists.service.ohio-state.edu>; enidl <en...@aol.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 5, 2017 8:15 pm
Subject: Re: [ha-Safran] Questions for Jewish Librarians



I had a similar idea about creating a database of Jewish resources way back in 
1980, when I was AJL President.  I invited colleagues from academic/archival 
libraries, synagogue/school/center libraries, Bureau of Jewish Education 
directors, Jewish publishers, and others.  We called the committee, “Creation 
of National Jewish Bibliographic Data Base.”   We discussed it for quite awhile 
via the U.S. mail.  (We didn’t have the luxury of the Internet or emails 
then!).  We met at national conventions and once even in my Library in Los 
Angeles.  It was of great interest.  I remember that we reached the point of 
discussing potential funding sources!


BUT, then, the 1982 Lebanon War occurred, and all funding priorities were for 
Israel's defenses, of course, and none for future resources.  I think I may 
still have the correspondence hard copies - but doubt that it would be of much 
use from 34 years ago.


I don’t recall hearing anything more about this idea, but I’m long retired from 
the AJL Board.  


I like to keep current - thus my joining this ha-Safran discussion.  I still 
think it's a very very worthwhile project and, with today’s technology, it 
seems very doable. 


Best of luck to you.
B’Shalom,
Barbara


Barbara Y. Leff, M.S.L.S.
President, Association of Jewish Libraries (AJL), 1980-1982
Library Director, Stephen S. Wise Temple, Los Angeles, 1969-1996.
Founder/Chair of national committee, "Creation of National Jewish Bibliographic 
Data Base," 1980-84.


Website Committee Chair, AJL of Southern California (www.AJLSC.org), 
2003-current
4949 Genesta Ave., #302, Encino, CA 91316
byl...@me.com - 818.981.6920






On Jan 5, 2017, at 1:37 PM, Toby Harris <thar...@tdhs-nw.org> wrote:



Dear Martha:
 
I don’t know of one – other than Worldcat, which smaller Jewish libraries and 
maybe some academics aren’t members of.  Sounds like a great idea! 
 

Toby Harris, Librarian
Temple De Hirsch Sinai
206-693-3379 Seattle
425-559-2578  Bellevue
http://lib.tdhs-nw.org for library hours, programs and CATALOG 



 

From: Hasafran [mailto:hasafran-boun...@lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Martha 
McMahon
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:00 AM
To: hasaf...@lists.service.ohio-state.edu
Cc: en...@aol.com
Subject: [ha-Safran] Questions for Jewish Librarians

 


A member of the board of the Jewish Virtual Library posed these questions if 
anyone can share their thoughts:
 

I wanted to know if
 

1. there is a website which combines all digital catalogues from Jewish 
libraries around the world, which would allow complex searches, such as "show 
me all books on Theodore Herzl's childhood within a 50 mile radius of Los 
Angeles" 

 

2. Would Jewish librarians want such a site constructed if not available?

 




 


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Re: [ha-Safran] Questions for Jewish Librarians

[Barbara Leff]

I had a similar idea about creating a database of Jewish resources way back in 
1980, when I was AJL President.  I invited colleagues from academic/archival 
libraries, synagogue/school/center libraries, Bureau of Jewish Education 
directors, Jewish publishers, and others.  We called the committee, “Creation 
of National Jewish Bibliographic Data Base.”   We discussed it for quite awhile 
via the U.S. mail.  (We didn’t have the luxury of the Internet or emails 
then!).  We met at national conventions and once even in my Library in Los 
Angeles.  It was of great interest.  I remember that we reached the point of 
discussing potential funding sources!

BUT, then, the 1982 Lebanon War occurred, and all funding priorities were for 
Israel's defenses, of course, and none for future resources.  I think I may 
still have the correspondence hard copies - but doubt that it would be of much 
use from 34 years ago.

I don’t recall hearing anything more about this idea, but I’m long retired from 
the AJL Board.  

I like to keep current - thus my joining this ha-Safran discussion.  I still 
think it's a very very worthwhile project and, with today’s technology, it 
seems very doable. 

Best of luck to you.
B’Shalom,
Barbara

Barbara Y. Leff, M.S.L.S.
President, Association of Jewish Libraries (AJL), 1980-1982
Library Director, Stephen S. Wise Temple, Los Angeles, 1969-1996.
Founder/Chair of national committee, "Creation of National Jewish Bibliographic 
Data Base," 1980-84.
Website Committee Chair, AJL of Southern California (www.AJLSC.org 
), 2003-current
4949 Genesta Ave., #302, Encino, CA 91316
byl...@me.com - 818.981.6920


On Jan 5, 2017, at 1:37 PM, Toby Harris <thar...@tdhs-nw.org> wrote:

Dear Martha:
 
I don’t know of one – other than Worldcat, which smaller Jewish libraries and 
maybe some academics aren’t members of.  Sounds like a great idea! 
 
Toby Harris, Librarian
Temple De Hirsch Sinai
206-693-3379  Seattle
425-559-2578   Bellevue
http://lib.tdhs-nw.org <http://lib.tdhs-nw.org/> for library hours, programs 
and CATALOG 

 
From: Hasafran [mailto:hasafran-boun...@lists.osu.edu 
<mailto:hasafran-boun...@lists.osu.edu>] On Behalf Of Martha McMahon
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:00 AM
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<mailto:hasaf...@lists.service.ohio-state.edu>
Cc: en...@aol.com <mailto:en...@aol.com>
Subject: [ha-Safran] Questions for Jewish Librarians
 
A member of the board of the Jewish Virtual Library posed these questions if 
anyone can share their thoughts:
 
I wanted to know if
 
1. there is a website which combines all digital catalogues from Jewish 
libraries around the world, which would allow complex searches, such as "show 
me all books on Theodore Herzl's childhood within a 50 mile radius of Los 
Angeles" 
 
2. Would Jewish librarians want such a site constructed if not available?
 

 
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Re: [ha-Safran] Questions for Jewish Librarians

[ted]

There are two realistic ways of doing this sort of thing.Note:   this is 
what I do for a living – library automation – so I think I’m qualified to reply.

  a.. Creating a physical Union catalog – that is, collecting the MARC records 
and holdings information, loading them into a single database, indexing them 
and then applying geographical limits to searches.This is what OCLC does in 
WorldCat, and to a lesser degree what certain statewide Union Catalogs – for 
example, Indiana, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Michigan, and Wisconsin – do to make 
all library holdings in the state available. 

  The main issue with this approach is upkeep and maintenance.  Each of 
the individual libraries that is in the Union Catalog needs to output their 
records periodically (monthly, quarterly) and upload them to the host, and the 
host needs to load and index them.  This means that the database 
being viewed is always a month or more out-of-date.

  a..The second approach (virtual union catalog)  is through the use of 
Z39.50 (remote searching).  A local library needs to have a Z39.50 client 
capable of searching remote libraries that host Z39.50 servers.   With Z39.50, 
you’re searching the real, live-up to the minute holdings of the remote 
library.   You want to look for a book on Herzl that the library bought 
yesterday, and it shows up.

There are a couple of downsides to this approach:
- you or your system needs to have a Z39.50 client
- the targets you want to search need to support Z39.50 servers 
– not all do, particularly smaller ones
- Unless your system does federated searching (i.e. being able 
to broadcast a Z39.30 search to multiple Z39.50 servers at the same time), then 
you’ll be searching catalogs one-by-one


So all the tools exist today.   Both take work.

Ted

Ted Koppel
tkop...@comcast.net

From: Toby Harris 
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 4:37 PM
To: Martha McMahon ; hasaf...@lists.service.ohio-state.edu 
Cc: en...@aol.com 
Subject: Re: [ha-Safran] Questions for Jewish Librarians

Dear Martha:

 

I don’t know of one – other than Worldcat, which smaller Jewish libraries and 
maybe some academics aren’t members of.  Sounds like a great idea!  

 

Toby Harris, Librarian

Temple De Hirsch Sinai

206-693-3379 Seattle

425-559-2578  Bellevue

http://lib.tdhs-nw.org for library hours, programs and CATALOG 

 

From: Hasafran [mailto:hasafran-boun...@lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Martha 
McMahon
Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:00 AM
To: hasaf...@lists.service.ohio-state.edu
Cc: en...@aol.com
Subject: [ha-Safran] Questions for Jewish Librarians

 

A member of the board of the Jewish Virtual Library posed these questions if 
anyone can share their thoughts:

 

I wanted to know if

 

1. there is a website which combines all digital catalogues from Jewish 
libraries around the world, which would allow complex searches, such as "show 
me all books on Theodore Herzl's childhood within a 50 mile radius of Los 
Angeles" 

 

2. Would Jewish librarians want such a site constructed if not available?

 

 

 

 

  




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Re: [ha-Safran] Questions for Jewish Librarians

[Michelle Chesner]

It sounds to me like they're looking for a version of Worldcat tailored to
Jewish libraries.  What do they mean by Jewish library?  Do they mean
libraries in Jewish institutions?  Institutions containing Judaica?  More
clarification would help.

My best,
Michelle

Michelle Chesner
Norman E. Alexander Librarian for Jewish Studies
Columbia University

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Martha McMahon 
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> A member of the board of the Jewish Virtual Library posed these questions
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> 1. there is a website which combines all digital catalogues from Jewish
> libraries around the world, which would allow complex searches, such as
> "show me all books on Theodore Herzl's childhood within a 50 mile radius of
> Los Angeles"
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> 2. Would Jewish librarians want such a site constructed if not available?
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Re: [ha-Safran] Questions for Jewish Librarians

[Toby Harris]

Dear Martha:

I don't know of one - other than Worldcat, which smaller Jewish libraries and 
maybe some academics aren't members of.  Sounds like a great idea!

Toby Harris, Librarian
Temple De Hirsch Sinai
206-693-3379 Seattle
425-559-2578  Bellevue
http://lib.tdhs-nw.org<http://lib.tdhs-nw.org/> for library hours, programs and 
CATALOG

From: Hasafran [mailto:hasafran-boun...@lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Martha 
McMahon
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Subject: [ha-Safran] Questions for Jewish Librarians

A member of the board of the Jewish Virtual Library posed these questions if 
anyone can share their thoughts:

I wanted to know if

1. there is a website which combines all digital catalogues from Jewish 
libraries around the world, which would allow complex searches, such as "show 
me all books on Theodore Herzl's childhood within a 50 mile radius of Los 
Angeles"

2. Would Jewish librarians want such a site constructed if not available?





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[ha-Safran] Questions for Jewish Librarians

[Martha McMahon]

A member of the board of the Jewish Virtual Library posed these questions if 
anyone can share their thoughts:

I wanted to know if

1. there is a website which combines all digital catalogues from Jewish 
libraries around the world, which would allow complex searches, such as "show 
me all books on Theodore Herzl's childhood within a 50 mile radius of Los 
Angeles"

2. Would Jewish librarians want such a site constructed if not available?





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