Re: *Tenth* of Av? (Karaite fast day)
Dear Daniel, I think that you might want to propose a subject heading for Tenth of Av and add a scope note explaining why the Karaites observe the Tenth of Av as a fast-day rather than the Ninth of Av You could also propose a subject heading, Fasts and feasts|xKaraites which would be added to the record as a broader term. According to the EJ there are several fast days which are observed on dates that are different from rabbinic fast days. I do not know if other will agree with this recommendation, and I hope to see other suggestions. Heidi At 04:04 PM 10/13/2004 -0400, you wrote: Dear colleagues, I'm looking at a recently published book called Igeret Tokhehot nehamot ve-Sefer Iyov : le-tsom Asarah ba-Av, that others of you have probably come across as well. The subtitle is what I'm wondering about. Ordinarily, regarding a liturgical work for the Black Fast, I would assign something like Ninth of Av--Liturgy--Texts. According to the editor of this work, Ovadyah Algamil, however, Karaites observe the *Tenth* of Av, not the Ninth, following the text of Jeremiah 52:12-13: Now in the fifth month, in the tenth day of the month, which was the nineteenth year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzar-adan, captain of the guard, who served the king of Babylon, into Jerusalem and he burned the house of the LORD, and the king's house; and all the houses of Jerusalem, even every great man's house, burned he with fire [JPS translation]. Can I get away with using NInth of Av, or should I establish a new uniform title (or subject heading) that describes the Karaite observance on its own terms? Incidentally, while we're on the topic, is there resource anywhere on cataloging Karaitic works? I'll check the index to Judaica Librarianship, since maybe articles have been written on the subject, but please let me know if you think of something off the top of your head. Thanks for your help. Daniel Daniel Lovins Hebraica Team Leader Catalog Department Sterling Memorial Library Yale University PO Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520 tel: 203/432-1707 fax: 203/432-7231 Heidi G. Lerner Hebraica/Judaica Cataloger Catalog Dept. Stanford Univ. Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ph: 650-725-9953 fax:650-725-1120
Re: *Tenth* of Av? (Karaite fast day)
One of the items that is currently on display in the Ira Nowinski photograph exhibit at Stanford (online exhibit accessible at: http://www-sul.stanford.edu/depts/spc/exhibits/nowinonline.html) is a Karaite pocket calendar published in Israel for 5727/1966-67. In this luah Purim is a two-day holiday (14-15 Adar I, with the Fast of Esther on 13 Adar I), and fast days are noted for 9 Tammuz, 7 Ab, and 10 Ab. Karaites do not observe Hanukkah, and it is not mentioned in this calendar, but aside from this the other Karaite festivals appear to be identical to those on the roster of Rabbanite festivals. Plus, Yom ha-Sho'ah, Yom ha-Zikaron, and Yom ha-Atsma'ut are included there -- an indication of the Karaites' integration into Israeli society. Zachary Baker Stanford University Libraries
Re: *Tenth* of Av? (Karaite fast day)
Dear Heidi, Thank you for the suggestions. I think I'll go ahead and submit both as SACO proposals. A related question that just occurred to me is: after assigning Fasts and feasts$xKaraites would I then *also* want to assign Fasts and feasts$xJudaism? Or is this too much generic posting already? Thanks! Daniel At 11:04 AM 10/14/2004, Heidi G. Lerner wrote: Dear Daniel, I think that you might want to propose a subject heading for Tenth of Av and add a scope note explaining why the Karaites observe the Tenth of Av as a fast-day rather than the Ninth of Av You could also propose a subject heading, Fasts and feasts|xKaraites which would be added to the record as a broader term. According to the EJ there are several fast days which are observed on dates that are different from rabbinic fast days. I do not know if other will agree with this recommendation, and I hope to see other suggestions. Heidi At 04:04 PM 10/13/2004 -0400, you wrote: Dear colleagues, I'm looking at a recently published book called Igeret Tokhehot nehamot ve-Sefer Iyov : le-tsom Asarah ba-Av, that others of you have probably come across as well. The subtitle is what I'm wondering about. Ordinarily, regarding a liturgical work for the Black Fast, I would assign something like Ninth of Av--Liturgy--Texts. According to the editor of this work, Ovadyah Algamil, however, Karaites observe the *Tenth* of Av, not the Ninth, following the text of Jeremiah 52:12-13: Now in the fifth month, in the tenth day of the month, which was the nineteenth year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzar-adan, captain of the guard, who served the king of Babylon, into Jerusalem and he burned the house of the LORD, and the king's house; and all the houses of Jerusalem, even every great man's house, burned he with fire [JPS translation]. Can I get away with using NInth of Av, or should I establish a new uniform title (or subject heading) that describes the Karaite observance on its own terms? Incidentally, while we're on the topic, is there resource anywhere on cataloging Karaitic works? I'll check the index to Judaica Librarianship, since maybe articles have been written on the subject, but please let me know if you think of something off the top of your head. Thanks for your help. Daniel Daniel Lovins Hebraica Team Leader Catalog Department Sterling Memorial Library Yale University PO Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520 tel: 203/432-1707 fax: 203/432-7231 Heidi G. Lerner Hebraica/Judaica Cataloger Catalog Dept. Stanford Univ. Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ph: 650-725-9953 fax:650-725-1120 Daniel Lovins Hebraica Team Leader Catalog Department Sterling Memorial Library Yale University PO Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520 tel: 203/432-1707 fax: 203/432-7231
Re: *Tenth* of Av? (Karaite fast day)
Zachary, THanks for pointing this out. (I tried to find the photograph in the on-line exhibit, but I guess this is one that didn't get digitized.) Daniel At 01:14 PM 10/14/2004, you wrote: One of the items that is currently on display in the Ira Nowinski photograph exhibit at Stanford (online exhibit accessible at: http://www-sul.stanford.edu/depts/spc/exhibits/nowinonline.html) is a Karaite pocket calendar published in Israel for 5727/1966-67. In this luah Purim is a two-day holiday (14-15 Adar I, with the Fast of Esther on 13 Adar I), and fast days are noted for 9 Tammuz, 7 Ab, and 10 Ab. Karaites do not observe Hanukkah, and it is not mentioned in this calendar, but aside from this the other Karaite festivals appear to be identical to those on the roster of Rabbanite festivals. Plus, Yom ha-Sho'ah, Yom ha-Zikaron, and Yom ha-Atsma'ut are included there -- an indication of the Karaites' integration into Israeli society. Zachary Baker Stanford University Libraries Daniel Lovins Hebraica Team Leader Catalog Department Sterling Memorial Library Yale University PO Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520 tel: 203/432-1707 fax: 203/432-7231
Re: *Tenth* of Av? (Karaite fast day)--SACO proposals
Daniel Lovins wrote: I think I'll go ahead and submit both as SACO proposals. Maybe I'm misinformed, but I thought I heard a while back that LC is no longer allowing just anyone to submit SACO proposals; now prospective SACO contributors must undergo special training like that required of prospective NACO contributors. Or did that change not take place yet? Again, sorry if I'm misinformed. -Stanley Nachamie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Authority Control Librarian (currently on leave) City University of New Yorik
Re: *Tenth* of Av? (Karaite fast day)
Daniel, Actually, the Karaite luah is an artifact that went into the display cases alongside the photographs and is not included in the online exhibit. I should have pointed that out. Believe it or not, this is the very first time that we have prepared an online exhibit to accompany a regular exhibit. Zachary At 02:03 PM 10/14/2004 -0400, you wrote: Zachary, THanks for pointing this out. (I tried to find the photograph in the on-line exhibit, but I guess this is one that didn't get digitized.) Daniel
Re: *Tenth* of Av? (Karaite fast day)--SACO proposals
Heidi, Stanley, Here's another source of information ... If you look at the SACO web site, in the About SACO segment of the home page there are links to documents that discuss SACO program restructuring. I'm pasting an excerpt below which I believe captures the main differences between the old and new (post May 2004) program structures, namely, (1) that SACO is now an *institution*-based program, (2) that the submitting institution must (also) be a member of the Program for Cooperative Cataloging (PCC); and (3) that the institution must commit itself to supplying at least 10-12 proposals per year. Structure of the SACO Program: The SACO Program will be open to the membership of the PCC, and any institution that participates in the PCC's component programs (BIBCO/CONSER/NACO) may submit subject proposals via the SACO Web form, provided they have met the SACO requirements. This structure will assure that the workflow of timely processing of subject heading proposals will benefit those members that have contributed to the cooperative cataloging process in other ways. An invitation will be issued to those institutions currently contributing only subject proposals to join the newly formed official program. The application process will consist of filling in an application/information form with an agreement/commitment to an annual numerical contribution goal of 10-12 proposals. This numerical goal would include a combination of new or changed LCSH heading and/or new or changed LC Classification numbers. Excerpted from PCC Steering Committee Response to the Final report of the TaskGroup on SACO Program Development At 03:20 PM 10/14/2004, Heidi G. Lerner wrote: The policy as stated under FAQ about joining SACO at the SACO website (http://www.loc.gov/catdir/pcc/sacofaq.html) states that Any institution that participates in one of the other PCC component programs is automatically considered to be a SACO member and does not need to submit a formal SACO application. I believe that this still means that any cataloger who is affiliated with a BIBCO- or NACO-program at their institution may contribute headings without undergoing specialized training. If anyone has more updated information, or I am wrong, please let me me know. Thank you, Heidi Lerner At 11:27 AM 10/14/2004 -0700, you wrote: Daniel Lovins wrote: I think I'll go ahead and submit both as SACO proposals. Maybe I'm misinformed, but I thought I heard a while back that LC is no longer allowing just anyone to submit SACO proposals; now prospective SACO contributors must undergo special training like that required of prospective NACO contributors. Or did that change not take place yet? Again, sorry if I'm misinformed. -Stanley Nachamie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Authority Control Librarian (currently on leave) City University of New Yorik Heidi G. Lerner Hebraica/Judaica Cataloger Catalog Dept. Stanford Univ. Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ph: 650-725-9953 fax:650-725-1120 Daniel Lovins Hebraica Team Leader Catalog Department Sterling Memorial Library Yale University PO Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520 tel: 203/432-1707 fax: 203/432-7231
Re: *Tenth* of Av? (Karaite fast day)--SACO proposals
You are right, there are now SACO funnels as well as NACO ones, and the Hebraica Funnel is beginning to explore expansion. But perhaps Yale is already an acknowledged provider of subject heading proposals. Joan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/14/2004 2:27:11 PM Daniel Lovins wrote: I think I'll go ahead and submit both as SACO proposals. Maybe I'm misinformed, but I thought I heard a while back that LC is no longer allowing just anyone to submit SACO proposals; now prospective SACO contributors must undergo special training like that required of prospective NACO contributors. Or did that change not take place yet? Again, sorry if I'm misinformed. -Stanley Nachamie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Authority Control Librarian (currently on leave) City University of New Yorik
*Tenth* of Av? (Karaite fast day)
Dear colleagues, I'm looking at a recently published book called Igeret Tokhehot nehamot ve-Sefer Iyov : le-tsom Asarah ba-Av, that others of you have probably come across as well. The subtitle is what I'm wondering about. Ordinarily, regarding a liturgical work for the Black Fast, I would assign something like Ninth of Av--Liturgy--Texts. According to the editor of this work, Ovadyah Algamil, however, Karaites observe the *Tenth* of Av, not the Ninth, following the text of Jeremiah 52:12-13: Now in the fifth month, in the tenth day of the month, which was the nineteenth year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzar-adan, captain of the guard, who served the king of Babylon, into Jerusalem and he burned the house of the LORD, and the king's house; and all the houses of Jerusalem, even every great man's house, burned he with fire [JPS translation]. Can I get away with using NInth of Av, or should I establish a new uniform title (or subject heading) that describes the Karaite observance on its own terms? Incidentally, while we're on the topic, is there resource anywhere on cataloging Karaitic works? I'll check the index to Judaica Librarianship, since maybe articles have been written on the subject, but please let me know if you think of something off the top of your head. Thanks for your help. Daniel Daniel Lovins Hebraica Team Leader Catalog Department Sterling Memorial Library Yale University PO Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520 tel: 203/432-1707 fax: 203/432-7231
