Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
In the spirit by which this conversation was started Acronym An abbreviation formed from the initial letters of other words and pronounced as a word z/OS Unix is not an acronym. It is at best a short version of the entire phrase z/OS Unix System Services or might be considered the real name... but still is not an acronym. zUSS would qualify, by definition, as an acronym. And I think I am ready to cede providing it will shutup, gag, disable pedantic feature, put a stake in this conversation, quit filling up my inbox, and otherwise cease this very much a waste of my valuable time posting on this subject. But as he has already disputed this shortened version... even though it conflicts with the definition of acronym... this will continue with no shore in site and only postings of people with time to waste on such trivial musings. Rob Schramm Senior Systems Consultant Imperium Group On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Pommier, Rex R. rex.pomm...@cnasurety.com wrote: John, For the most part I agree with you, except in the first line of his actual post, the original poster made it quite obvious to anybody which of the two USS's he was referring to, which makes this current argument all the more stupid. I think this whole thing is painfully silly, as Mr. Mason will never give up on his crusade to stop anybody from using USS to refer to Unix stuff, and a few others seem to take delight in needling him on, and the vast majority of us would prefer the whole thing just dry up. No amount of cajoling will get either side to change their respective minds, but unfortunately apparently no amount of begging them to just give it up will make that happen either. And it's too bad, because I have been the recipient on a couple occasions of some of Mr. Mason's wisdom in regards to a VTAM issue that I was having. Unfortunately the gems get lost in the bickering. Like you, this will be my last (and in my case my first) post on the subject. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 2:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet Well, possibly to the relief of all, I will hencefore ignore any and all posts to this forum which include the letters USS which do not also explicitly say UNIX or VTAM. I'm simply to old and tired to bother any more. In this particular thread, I will agree that USS could be confusing since telnet could refer to either accessing a z/OS UNIX shell prompt via historic telnet, or to accessing an LU2 VTAM application via TN3270E which is also a special encoded 3270 data stream using the telnet protocol. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN The information contained in this e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited and that you will be held responsible for any such unauthorized activity, including liability for any resulting damages. As appropriate, such incident(s) may also be reported to law enforcement. If you received this e-mail in error, please reply to sender and destroy or delete the message and any attachments. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
I appreciate Chris' knowledge of most things, especially VTAM. But apparently he has a thing about USS. And also appears to believe that if he continues to be bothersome about the misuse of the term USS, that either: (a) people will be educated and will voluntarily change or (b) will become tired of hearing the rants and so change their usage just to shut him up. I doubt that either will occur. IMO, in most cases the meaning of USS is easily recognizable from the context. If it is not, then the email is likely so vague or poorly written that trying to understand what is needed is a waste of my time, and I ignore it. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 11:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet On Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:31:57 -0500, Chris Mason wrote: However, there are indications you have been seduced by the incorrect use of the abbreviation for what started out as VTAM's Unformatted System Services at least two decades before UNIX System Services appeared on the IBM scene. Don't badger the novice. Vaunting your superiority is unseemly. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
So if our navy ever launches a ship called USS VTAM, what type of software would it use? Sorry, it's Friday. ;-) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 8:10 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet I appreciate Chris' knowledge of most things, especially VTAM. But apparently he has a thing about USS. And also appears to believe that if he continues to be bothersome about the misuse of the term USS, that either: (a) people will be educated and will voluntarily change or (b) will become tired of hearing the rants and so change their usage just to shut him up. I doubt that either will occur. IMO, in most cases the meaning of USS is easily recognizable from the context. If it is not, then the email is likely so vague or poorly written that trying to understand what is needed is a waste of my time, and I ignore it. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 11:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet On Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:31:57 -0500, Chris Mason wrote: However, there are indications you have been seduced by the incorrect use of the abbreviation for what started out as VTAM's Unformatted System Services at least two decades before UNIX System Services appeared on the IBM scene. Don't badger the novice. Vaunting your superiority is unseemly. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
Probably, given how we do things anymore, it would likely run Windows. I dread the day that we lose a war because our weapons blue screened. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tony's Comcast account Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 8:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet So if our navy ever launches a ship called USS VTAM, what type of software would it use? Sorry, it's Friday. ;-) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 8:10 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet I appreciate Chris' knowledge of most things, especially VTAM. But apparently he has a thing about USS. And also appears to believe that if he continues to be bothersome about the misuse of the term USS, that either: (a) people will be educated and will voluntarily change or (b) will become tired of hearing the rants and so change their usage just to shut him up. I doubt that either will occur. IMO, in most cases the meaning of USS is easily recognizable from the context. If it is not, then the email is likely so vague or poorly written that trying to understand what is needed is a waste of my time, and I ignore it. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 11:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet On Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:31:57 -0500, Chris Mason wrote: However, there are indications you have been seduced by the incorrect use of the abbreviation for what started out as VTAM's Unformatted System Services at least two decades before UNIX System Services appeared on the IBM scene. Don't badger the novice. Vaunting your superiority is unseemly. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
On 4/6/2012 6:09 AM, McKown, John wrote: I appreciate Chris' knowledge of most things, especially VTAM. But apparently he has a thing about USS. And also appears to believe that if he continues to be bothersome about the misuse of the term USS, that either: (a) people will be educated and will voluntarily change or (b) will become tired of hearing the rants and so change their usage just to shut him up. I chose option (c). ;-) -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
Edward I chose option (c). That'll be don't misuse the abbreviation in the first place and use it only for the IBM context for which it was first coined - I suppose. Chris Mason On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 09:31:32 -0700, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: On 4/6/2012 6:09 AM, McKown, John wrote: ... (a) people will be educated and will voluntarily change or (b) will become tired of hearing the rants and so change their usage just to shut him up. ... I chose option (c). ;-) -- Edward E Jaffe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
Get a life! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Chris Mason Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 12:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet Edward I chose option (c). That'll be don't misuse the abbreviation in the first place and use it only for the IBM context for which it was first coined - I suppose. Chris Mason On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 09:31:32 -0700, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: On 4/6/2012 6:09 AM, McKown, John wrote: ... (a) people will be educated and will voluntarily change or (b) will become tired of hearing the rants and so change their usage just to shut him up. ... I chose option (c). ;-) -- Edward E Jaffe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this e-mail immediately. Thank you. Aetna -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
John ... he appears to believe that if he continues to be bothersome about the misuse of the term USS, ... Did you not notice the extreme provocation which led to last month's post? One of the redbook authors actually had the temerity to claim that the misuse was official! Since my riposte referred to some IBM-MAIN traffic - in addition to the consolidation of the reasons why it was so wrong - it seemed only polite to pass on the text to the subscribers. IMO, in most cases the meaning of USS is easily recognizable from the context. Most is not all. And it is in the difference between most and all that the *immediate* ambiguity/confusion can arise. In these cases, as in this thread, TELNET will be involved. For novices, the problem is a delayed ambiguity. As I'm sure I've said recently, probably more than once, a novice will become bamboozled with the repeated misuse and will suffer when and if presented with the genuine article in an easily imagined scenario. Howard Rifkind - bless him - is the living - I hope - proof! It is, of course, so totally unnecessary since IBM in its wisdom back when it was decided to change OpenEdition to UNIX System Services so thoughtfully provided the abbreviation OS/390 UNIX - which naturally needed to morph into z/OS UNIX - which incidentally, even under provocation, you adopt. If it is not, then the email is likely so vague or poorly written that trying to understand what is needed is a waste of my time, and I ignore it. It's also not too easy what you are trying to say here. It has the aura of a bit of a wriggle! Finally, if I have reason to participate in a thread and the post to which I am replying contains the misuse, I reserve the right - against all the rants of the spittle-flecked[2] - to insert a correction, if only to maintain credibility! - Anyhow I'm pleased that your efforts and mine and Mark Zelden's probably provided Chokalingam Thangavelu with all he needed to know. - [1] I hope he forgives the reference but it so precisely illustrates my point and he was brave enough to express his confusion. I expect many another has suffered - and will suffer - in silence. Thread: Mainframe hacking Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 05:36:28 -0700 [2] If there's any ranting going on, it is inevitably the spittle-flecked who start it and I feel obliged to respond in kind in order to give no possibility of credence to the falsehoods expressed. In the case you quoted, it was the Gilmartin character - and I didn't even get round to rubbishing the total lack of logic in his final comment. - Chris Mason On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 08:09:53 -0500, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: I appreciate Chris' knowledge of most things, especially VTAM. But apparently he has a thing about USS. And also appears to believe that if he continues to be bothersome about the misuse of the term USS, that either: (a) people will be educated and will voluntarily change or (b) will become tired of hearing the rants and so change their usage just to shut him up. I doubt that either will occur. IMO, in most cases the meaning of USS is easily recognizable from the context. If it is not, then the email is likely so vague or poorly written that trying to understand what is needed is a waste of my time, and I ignore it. -- John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
Garrulousity personified On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 12:48:02 -0400, Veilleux, Jon L veilleu...@aetna.com wrote: Get a life! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
I prefer to keep my comments succinct rather than ramble on about inane complaints about acronym usage. You must have too much time on your hands to waste so much of it on useless bickering, ergo, you need to get a life. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Chris Mason Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 1:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet Garrulousity personified On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 12:48:02 -0400, Veilleux, Jon L veilleu...@aetna.com wrote: Get a life! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you think you have received this e-mail in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this e-mail immediately. Thank you. Aetna -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
John, Frankly I've never understood Chris's problem with USS, except that he may suffer from some sort of OCD reaction when he sees those letters. We all know that USS stands for Unix System Services, and any other employment of the acronym with the Mainframe community should spell out that it is not using this accepted, commonplace, default meaning. VTAM Unformatted System Services is one good example, where authors should discipline themselves to explain that they are not referring to Unix System Services rather than confusing everyone by hijacking this acronym. And as for naming boats, how would HMAS ever get confused with USS? Is this the appropriate place for the :-) Ron -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 6:10 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet I appreciate Chris' knowledge of most things, especially VTAM. But apparently he has a thing about USS. And also appears to believe that if he continues to be bothersome about the misuse of the term USS, that either: (a) people will be educated and will voluntarily change or (b) will become tired of hearing the rants and so change their usage just to shut him up. I doubt that either will occur. IMO, in most cases the meaning of USS is easily recognizable from the context. If it is not, then the email is likely so vague or poorly written that trying to understand what is needed is a waste of my time, and I ignore it. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 11:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet On Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:31:57 -0500, Chris Mason wrote: However, there are indications you have been seduced by the incorrect use of the abbreviation for what started out as VTAM's Unformatted System Services at least two decades before UNIX System Services appeared on the IBM scene. Don't badger the novice. Vaunting your superiority is unseemly. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Yorktown_(CG-48) On 21 September 1997, while on maneuvers off the coast of Cape Charles, Virginia, a crew member entered a zero into a database field causing a divide by zero error in the ship's Remote Data Base Manager which brought down all the machines on the network, causing the ship's propulsion system to fail.[5] [deleted[ Atlantic Fleet officials also denied the towing, reporting that Yorktown was dead in the water for just 2 hours and 45 minutes.[6] [deleted] On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 8:32 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: Probably, given how we do things anymore, it would likely run Windows. I dread the day that we lose a war because our weapons blue screened. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
No amount of discussion has or will ever quell this battle. Declare your own victory and do as I have: a) Don't use USS to refer to z/OS Unix System Services b) Don't correct someone who does c) Filter emails from Chris Mason. A pity that 5% of his voluminous posts are valuable, but not worth the rest. Unfortunately, there isn't an official acronym for z/OS Unix System Services. Until such time as there is, maybe we should use zUSS or maybe Xeus :-) Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Veilleux, Jon L veilleu...@aetna.comwrote: I prefer to keep my comments succinct rather than ramble on about inane complaints about acronym usage. You must have too much time on your hands to waste so much of it on useless bickering, ergo, you need to get a life. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
Well, possibly to the relief of all, I will hencefore ignore any and all posts to this forum which include the letters USS which do not also explicitly say UNIX or VTAM. I'm simply to old and tired to bother any more. In this particular thread, I will agree that USS could be confusing since telnet could refer to either accessing a z/OS UNIX shell prompt via historic telnet, or to accessing an LU2 VTAM application via TN3270E which is also a special encoded 3270 data stream using the telnet protocol. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
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Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
Kirk Wolf: Unfortunately, there isn't an official acronym for z/OS Unix System Services. Until such time as there is, maybe we should use zUSS or maybe Xeus :-) Since you insisted: http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/features/unix/ Regards, Steve Thompson Opinions expressed by this poster do not necessarily reflect those of poster's employer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
On 4/6/2012 1:18 PM, Steve Thompson wrote: Kirk Wolf: Unfortunately, there isn't an official acronym for z/OS Unix System Services. Until such time as there is, maybe we should use zUSS or maybe Xeus :-) Since you insisted: http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/features/unix/ Regards, Steve Thompson And if you click on the 'Education' tab ... -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-355-2752 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
Ron When were you born? Was it in 1997 or 1977? If it was 1997, you would now be 20 years older than if it was 1977 - according to your logic. Frankly I've never understood Chris's problem with USS, ... Now you know! Chris Mason P.S. Please take the trouble actually to read through the initial post of the still active thread A z/OS Redbook Corrected - just about!, Wed, 21 Mar 2012 07:34:55 -0500. On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 11:54:33 -0700, Ron Hawkins ronjhawk...@sbcglobal.net wrote: John, Frankly I've never understood Chris's problem with USS, except that he may suffer from some sort of OCD reaction when he sees those letters. We all know that USS stands for Unix System Services, and any other employment of the acronym with the Mainframe community should spell out that it is not using this accepted, commonplace, default meaning. VTAM Unformatted System Services is one good example, where authors should discipline themselves to explain that they are not referring to Unix System Services rather than confusing everyone by hijacking this acronym. ... Ron -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
Hook, line, and sinker... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Chris Mason Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 3:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet Ron When were you born? Was it in 1997 or 1977? If it was 1997, you would now be 20 years older than if it was 1977 - according to your logic. Frankly I've never understood Chris's problem with USS, ... Now you know! Chris Mason P.S. Please take the trouble actually to read through the initial post of the still active thread A z/OS Redbook Corrected - just about!, Wed, 21 Mar 2012 07:34:55 -0500. On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 11:54:33 -0700, Ron Hawkins ronjhawk...@sbcglobal.net wrote: John, Frankly I've never understood Chris's problem with USS, except that he may suffer from some sort of OCD reaction when he sees those letters. We all know that USS stands for Unix System Services, and any other employment of the acronym with the Mainframe community should spell out that it is not using this accepted, commonplace, default meaning. VTAM Unformatted System Services is one good example, where authors should discipline themselves to explain that they are not referring to Unix System Services rather than confusing everyone by hijacking this acronym. ... Ron -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
John, For the most part I agree with you, except in the first line of his actual post, the original poster made it quite obvious to anybody which of the two USS's he was referring to, which makes this current argument all the more stupid. I think this whole thing is painfully silly, as Mr. Mason will never give up on his crusade to stop anybody from using USS to refer to Unix stuff, and a few others seem to take delight in needling him on, and the vast majority of us would prefer the whole thing just dry up. No amount of cajoling will get either side to change their respective minds, but unfortunately apparently no amount of begging them to just give it up will make that happen either. And it's too bad, because I have been the recipient on a couple occasions of some of Mr. Mason's wisdom in regards to a VTAM issue that I was having. Unfortunately the gems get lost in the bickering. Like you, this will be my last (and in my case my first) post on the subject. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 2:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet Well, possibly to the relief of all, I will hencefore ignore any and all posts to this forum which include the letters USS which do not also explicitly say UNIX or VTAM. I'm simply to old and tired to bother any more. In this particular thread, I will agree that USS could be confusing since telnet could refer to either accessing a z/OS UNIX shell prompt via historic telnet, or to accessing an LU2 VTAM application via TN3270E which is also a special encoded 3270 data stream using the telnet protocol. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN The information contained in this e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited and that you will be held responsible for any such unauthorized activity, including liability for any resulting damages. As appropriate, such incident(s) may also be reported to law enforcement. If you received this e-mail in error, please reply to sender and destroy or delete the message and any attachments. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
Unless you're dead set on using telnet (which is a bad idea) you should setup the ssh daemon and use it to connect to the OMVS environment. Mark Jacobs On 04/05/12 09:51, Chokalingam Thangavelu wrote: Hi, I am unable to access the Unix system services thru Telnet and could not find below configurations in USS files. 1. Could not find 'otelnet in file /etc/services' which points to the port of the USS telnet. 2. There is no otelnetd daemon or the configured inetd is running on the system 3. Could not fine INET in /etc/inet.conf Please let me know how to define above TELNET configurations and access USS thru TELNET. Regards, Chokalingam Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. www.wipro.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning. - Albert Einstein -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
I agree with Mark. IBM Ported Tools for z/OS - OpenSSH is free, and works well to encrypt your connections. With most recent PTFs, it is not possible to use ICSF and CPACF to enable hardware acceleration of the ciphers and macs, which allows for much less CPU usage. Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Mark Jacobs mark.jac...@custserv.comwrote: Unless you're dead set on using telnet (which is a bad idea) you should setup the ssh daemon and use it to connect to the OMVS environment. Mark Jacobs On 04/05/12 09:51, Chokalingam Thangavelu wrote: Hi, I am unable to access the Unix system services thru Telnet and could not find below configurations in USS files. 1. Could not find 'otelnet in file /etc/services' which points to the port of the USS telnet. 2. There is no otelnetd daemon or the configured inetd is running on the system 3. Could not fine INET in /etc/inet.conf Please let me know how to define above TELNET configurations and access USS thru TELNET. Regards, Chokalingam Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. www.wipro.com --**--** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning. - Albert Einstein --**--**-- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
Chokalingam What your subject line could be taken to suggest is that you should use the following reference in order to use USS with the SNA-oriented TELNET server, identified in the manuals as TN3270E: Section 2.2.1.4.15, Using the Telnet solicitor or USS logon screen in the z/OS Communications Server IP Configuration Guide http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/f1a1b3b0/2.2.1.4.15 However, there are indications you have been seduced by the incorrect use of the abbreviation for what started out as VTAM's Unformatted System Services at least two decades before UNIX System Services appeared on the IBM scene. That being so, the TELNET server you really need is *not* the SNA-oriented TELNET Server but the UNIX-oriented TELNET Server documented as follows: Section 2.2.2, Configuring the z/OS UNIX Telnet server in the z/OS Communications Server IP Configuration Guide http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/F1A1B3B0/2.2.2 If you find all this a bit puzzling, please review my very recent post right here in IBM-MAIN with the following Subject line: A z/OS Redbook Corrected - just about! http://www.mail-archive.com/ibm-main@bama.ua.edu/msg151511.html - Incidentally, reviewing your post, it looks as if you may simply need to edit the files on your system so that they look like the files in the documentation I have given you. - Chris Mason On Thu, 5 Apr 2012 13:51:45 +, Chokalingam Thangavelu thangavelu.chokalin...@wipro.com wrote: Hi, I am unable to access the Unix system services thru Telnet and could not find below configurations in USS files. 1. Could not find 'otelnet in file /etc/services' which points to the port of the USS telnet. 2. There is no otelnetd daemon or the configured inetd is running on the system 3. Could not fine INET in /etc/inet.conf Please let me know how to define above TELNET configurations and access USS thru TELNET. Regards, Chokalingam -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
Using SSH is, IMO, superior. But if you are dead set on using Telnet (perhaps due to lack of an SSH client - I suggest PuTTY), then you must be running the INETD daemon. And you must have a dedicated port number on z/OS to use. We use port 2023. In the /etc/inetd.conf file, you need a line like: 2023 stream tcp nowait BPXROOT /usr/sbin/otelnetd otelnetd -l -t -D login Replace the 2023 with the port you want to use. Then, to get a UNIX shell prompt, you telnet into that port number. This works for me. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Chokalingam Thangavelu Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 8:52 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet Hi, I am unable to access the Unix system services thru Telnet and could not find below configurations in USS files. 1. Could not find 'otelnet in file /etc/services' which points to the port of the USS telnet. 2. There is no otelnetd daemon or the configured inetd is running on the system 3. Could not fine INET in /etc/inet.conf Please let me know how to define above TELNET configurations and access USS thru TELNET. Regards, Chokalingam Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. www.wipro.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
On 4/5/2012 8:44 AM, McKown, John wrote: Using SSH is, IMO, superior. But if you are dead set on using Telnet (perhaps due to lack of an SSH client - I suggest PuTTY), then you must be running the INETD daemon. And you must have a dedicated port number on z/OS to use. We use port 2023. In the /etc/inetd.conf file, you need a line like: 2023 stream tcp nowait BPXROOT /usr/sbin/otelnetd otelnetd -l -t -D login Replace the 2023 with the port you want to use. Then, to get a UNIX shell prompt, you telnet into that port number. This works for me. We don't have a port in our /etc/inted.conf file; in fact, the only non-comment line we have is: otelnet stream tcp nowait OMVSKERN /usr/sbin/otelnetd otelnetd I think this is because '23' is the default telnet server port, and we have that port allocated to telnet in our tcpparms profile. BTW, we use telnet because that's the way our system from Dallas is set up. We are not sysprogs so we try to minimize the systems programming work we need to do. (Oh, we do some, of course, to install new versions of products, etc., but these are driven by course needs, e.g.: setting up DB2 8 and 9 and 10 as needed; even then, the Dallas staff does most the work, we merely need to tailor things to our config). There doesn't seem to be much payback to go to ssh in return for the work. Our system is actually only in non-sleep mode a few days a month (well, it's erratic, depending on our current development work). -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Chokalingam Thangavelu Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 8:52 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet Hi, I am unable to access the Unix system services thru Telnet and could not find below configurations in USS files. 1. Could not find 'otelnet in file /etc/services' which points to the port of the USS telnet. 2. There is no otelnetd daemon or the configured inetd is running on the system 3. Could not fine INET in /etc/inet.conf Please let me know how to define above TELNET configurations and access USS thru TELNET. Regards, Chokalingam -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-355-2752 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
We use a Dallas RDP system, and IBM installed IBM Ported Tools OpenSSH for us.I think that all I had to do was to customize the SSHD started task a bit. There isn't much payback for using ssh over tty telnet, until your password is snatched from an unencrypted telnet session :-) But if you are using unencrypted TN3270, its the same issue. BTW, we use telnet because that's the way our system from Dallas is set up. We are not sysprogs so we try to minimize the systems programming work we need to do. (Oh, we do some, of course, to install new versions of products, etc., but these are driven by course needs, e.g.: setting up DB2 8 and 9 and 10 as needed; even then, the Dallas staff does most the work, we merely need to tailor things to our config). There doesn't seem to be much payback to go to ssh in return for the work. Our system is actually only in non-sleep mode a few days a month (well, it's erratic, depending on our current development work). -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Chokalingam Thangavelu Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 8:52 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet Hi, I am unable to access the Unix system services thru Telnet and could not find below configurations in USS files. 1. Could not find 'otelnet in file /etc/services' which points to the port of the USS telnet. 2. There is no otelnetd daemon or the configured inetd is running on the system 3. Could not fine INET in /etc/inet.conf Please let me know how to define above TELNET configurations and access USS thru TELNET. Regards, Chokalingam -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-355-2752 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/**ROI/roi.htmlhttp://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html --**--**-- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
And you must have a dedicated port number on z/OS to use. We use port 2023. Sorry John - not strictly true - unless there's a consideration of which I am unaware which prevents use of the well-documented technique I am about to propose as an alternative. The trick is to use virtual IP addresses (VIPAs) - decided on the IBMTCP-L list better to be described as virtual *interface* IP addresses - in combination with the BIND parameter of the relevant PORT statement list entries. Thus you have a PORT statement list entry for the SNA-oriented TELNET server and you have a PORT statement list entry for the UNIX-oriented TELNET server. Here's an example based on just how the BIND parameter works, the sample given in section 2.22.5, Configuring TSO and z/OS UNIX Remote Execution servers to use the same port in the z/OS Communications Server IP Configuration Guide, various other bits and pieces of information in the same manual and the Configuration Reference manual: Definition of VIPAs: VIPADYNAMIC VIPARANGE 255.255.255.255 10.1.1.1 VIPARANGE 255.255.255.255 10.1.1.2 ENDVIPADYNAMIC Extract of PORT statement: PORT ... 23 TCP TN3270E BIND 10.1.1.1 23 TCP OMVSBIND 10.1.1.2 ... Extract of /etc/services: ... otelnet 23/tcp ... Extract of inetd.conf: ... otelnet stream tcp nowait OMVSKERN /usr/sbin/otelnetd otelnetd ... For clients who wish to access the SNA-oriented TELNET server, ideally a name system entry will be available which specifies IP address 10.1.1.1 as the destination so that entry of the command telnet sna.my.lovely.system.com causes a TELNET connection to 10.1.1.1, port 23. For clients who wish to access the UNIX-oriented TELNET server, ideally a name system entry will be available which specifies IP address 10.1.1.2 as the destination so that entry of the command telnet unix.my.lovely.system.com causes a TELNET connection to 10.1.1.2, port 23. Thus neither of the TELNET servers need use a *dedicated* port number. Note that I prefer to propose VIPARANGE dynamic VIPA with the PORT statement list entry BIND parameter rather than static VIPA for server applications just as a matter of course. The reason is that the associated service will be advertised using whatever dynamic routing protocol is in use *only* when the service is available. - Incidentally, I'd be grateful if someone with a sandbox and a bit of time on their hands could verify this sample. - Chris Mason On Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:44:39 -0500, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: Using SSH is, IMO, superior. But if you are dead set on using Telnet (perhaps due to lack of an SSH client - I suggest PuTTY), then you must be running the INETD daemon. And you must have a dedicated port number on z/OS to use. We use port 2023. In the /etc/inetd.conf file, you need a line like: 2023 stream tcp nowait BPXROOT /usr/sbin/otelnetd otelnetd -l -t -D login Replace the 2023 with the port you want to use. Then, to get a UNIX shell prompt, you telnet into that port number. This works for me. -- John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
Steve We don't have a port in our /etc/inted.conf file; in fact, the only non-comment line we have is: otelnet stream tcp nowait OMVSKERN /usr/sbin/otelnetd otelnetd I think this is because '23' is the default telnet server port, and we have that port allocated to telnet in our tcpparms profile. You may recall that one of the items in Chokalingam's list was the following: 1. Could not find 'otelnet in file /etc/services' which points to the port of the USS telnet. This is where the association between the service name in the first position of the inetd.conf file and the port number is established. It is *not* taken from the PORT statement list entry. Chris Mason On Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:06:11 -0600, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com wrote: ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
On 4/5/2012 9:56 AM, Chris Mason wrote: Steve We don't have a port in our /etc/inted.conf file; in fact, the only non-comment line we have is: otelnet stream tcp nowait OMVSKERN /usr/sbin/otelnetd otelnetd I think this is because '23' is the default telnet server port, and we have that port allocated to telnet in our tcpparms profile. You may recall that one of the items in Chokalingam's list was the following: 1. Could not find 'otelnet in file /etc/services' which points to the port of the USS telnet. This is where the association between the service name in the first position of the inetd.conf file and the port number is established. It is *not* taken from the PORT statement list entry. Chris Mason Ah, thanks for the clarification. On Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:06:11 -0600, Steve Comstockst...@trainersfriend.com wrote: ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-355-2752 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
My client has been using telnet long before openssh was available... and still does. The port is in /etc/services. My inetd.conf looks like this: #== # service | socket | protocol | wait/ | user | server | server program # name| type | | nowait| | program | arguments #== # otelnet stream tcp nowait OMVSKERN /usr/sbin/otelnetd otelnetd -l shell stream tcp nowait OMVSKERN /usr/sbin/orshd orshd -LV login stream tcp nowait OMVSKERN /usr/sbin/rlogind rlogind -m oexec stream tcp nowait OMVSKERN /usr/sbin/orexecd orexecd -LV ssh stream tcp nowait OMVSKERN /usr/sbin/sshd sshd -i /etc/services has a line like this added: otelnet nnn/tcp OMVS(nnn is the port - usually n23 or nn23) The PORT statement in TCPIP profile has it reserved as well: nnn TCP OMVS; OE TELNET SERVER Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ On Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:44:39 -0500, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: Using SSH is, IMO, superior. But if you are dead set on using Telnet (perhaps due to lack of an SSH client - I suggest PuTTY), then you must be running the INETD daemon. And you must have a dedicated port number on z/OS to use. We use port 2023. In the /etc/inetd.conf file, you need a line like: 2023 stream tcp nowait BPXROOT /usr/sbin/otelnetd otelnetd -l -t -D login Replace the 2023 with the port you want to use. Then, to get a UNIX shell prompt, you telnet into that port number. This works for me. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Chokalingam Thangavelu Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 8:52 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet Hi, I am unable to access the Unix system services thru Telnet and could not find below configurations in USS files. 1. Could not find 'otelnet in file /etc/services' which points to the port of the USS telnet. 2. There is no otelnetd daemon or the configured inetd is running on the system 3. Could not fine INET in /etc/inet.conf Please let me know how to define above TELNET configurations and access USS thru TELNET. Regards, Chokalingam Please do not print this email unless it is absolutely necessary. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. WARNING: Computer viruses can be transmitted via email. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. www.wipro.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
On Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:31:57 -0500, Chris Mason wrote: However, there are indications you have been seduced by the incorrect use of the abbreviation for what started out as VTAM's Unformatted System Services at least two decades before UNIX System Services appeared on the IBM scene. Don't badger the novice. Vaunting your superiority is unseemly. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Accessing USS on Mainframe thru Telnet
Mr Gilmartin As I have attempted to point out on numerous occasions - but you seem to hold my opinions in utter contempt - it is very precisely the *novice* who needs assistance in getting rid of the pernicious influence of this perpetuating travesty. You probably haven't taken the trouble to notice that, not only were we probably dealing with a novice, but that the topic under discussion was TELNET, the topic giving rise to the maximum likelihood of actual immediate ambiguity. On the contrary I am sure we would all appreciate some relief from the contentious drivel from your quarter. Have you managed to get rid of all the pieces of felt from between your teeth yet? Mason On Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:44:39 -0500, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:31:57 -0500, Chris Mason wrote: However, there are indications you have been seduced by the incorrect use of the abbreviation for what started out as VTAM's Unformatted System Services at least two decades before UNIX System Services appeared on the IBM scene. Don't badger the novice. Vaunting your superiority is unseemly. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
