Re: How to leave ISPF
SETTINGS LOG/LIST 1. Log Data set defaults Change Primary pages to 0 This will prevent creation of a LOG dataset. If you don't intentionally create a LIST dataset, the panel won't appear when you leave ISPF. Randy -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 9:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: How to leave ISPF When one leaves ISPF usually there is a panel Specify Disposition of Log Data Set. Usually the answer is 2 - delete. Q: how is it possible to exit ISPF by choosing some option (X - Exit) and NOT see the panel? I saw it many moons ago. BTW: I don't ask how to logoff TSO immediately after leaving ISPF. This is another issue. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wyłącznie do użytku służbowego adresata. Odbiorcą może być jedynie jej adresat z wyłączeniem dostępu osób trzecich. Jeżeli nie jesteś adresatem niniejszej wiadomości lub pracownikiem upoważnionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, że jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne działanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i może być karalne. Jeżeli otrzymałeś tę wiadomość omyłkowo, prosimy niezwłocznie zawiadomić nadawcę wysyłając odpowiedź oraz trwale usunąć tę wiadomość włączając w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, www.brebank.pl, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, nr rejestru przedsiębiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Według stanu na dzień 01.01.2012 r. kapitał zakładowy BRE Banku SA (w całości wpłacony) wynosi 168.410.984 złotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How to leave ISPF
Shmuel: I remember going through the PCF TMP code and it was in there. I also found it in the PCF manual as a feature. My memory doesn't function to well before we had PCF so I will not argue other than to say that is not how I remember the field mark key. As far as accounting. We never used the feature as we had way to many SMF records as it was. I also do not remember as TSO being that much of a resource user (yes I know). We had more issues and to add that into the mix was just to much. My immediate gut reaction is that we had some users that would get around it (don't ask unless you really want to know) so turning on accounting would be a waste. Ed On May 28, 2012, at 7:57 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In 4f439d1e-1523-49ed-815c-6fa3dcd87...@comcast.net, on 05/27/2012 at 10:36 AM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net said: I think that was because that way back when IBM had a TSO product called PCF. If memory serves me one of the feature that PCF offered was to be able to stack commands and to separate them it used the field mark key as a delimiter. No; you could use FM as a separator without PCF. As I recall, PCF allowed you to use other characters, e.g., semicolon, as a separator, but did not disable the recognition of the FM. Although admittedly the biggest feature of PCF was to do data set dasd pooling Not command accounting? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How to leave ISPF
In 4f439d1e-1523-49ed-815c-6fa3dcd87...@comcast.net, on 05/27/2012 at 10:36 AM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net said: I think that was because that way back when IBM had a TSO product called PCF. If memory serves me one of the feature that PCF offered was to be able to stack commands and to separate them it used the field mark key as a delimiter. No; you could use FM as a separator without PCF. As I recall, PCF allowed you to use other characters, e.g., semicolon, as a separator, but did not disable the recognition of the FM. Although admittedly the biggest feature of PCF was to do data set dasd pooling Not command accounting? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How to leave ISPF
In 0898286174563950.wa.markmzelden@bama.ua.edu, on 05/25/2012 at 06:44 PM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com said: I don't know. But when used the way I described, you are in TSO READY from the =x;;x prior to the field mark, so it is SO at that point, not ISPF. No, you are not at the READY prompt; ISPF puts the residual data on the stack. Is the FM recognition done by the TMP or by the VTIOC? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How to leave ISPF
Paul: I think that was because that way back when IBM had a TSO product called PCF. If memory serves me one of the feature that PCF offered was to be able to stack commands and to separate them it used the field mark key as a delimiter. Although admittedly the biggest feature of PCF was to do data set dasd pooling (it also had a few other really nice features). We used it as well for TSO command authorization as we hadn't gotten RACF yet. The only issue I had was to change dasd meant an IPL or you had to have plenty of spare pools. I didn't like to zap LPA modules unless it was really needed and we needed another freebie from IBM to do that. Ed On May 26, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2012 19:01:13 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: This part wasn't answered. You need to use the field mark key (x'1E'). Does ISPF treat it the same way that TSO does? I thought that it was just another character except for TSO line mode. Don't know. But I once tried to set Field Mark as my Command Delimiter (seemed to make sense, and semicolon is much too valuable otherwise). ISPF wouldn't let me do that. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How to leave ISPF
On 27 May 2012 08:43:36 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Paul: I think that was because that way back when IBM had a TSO product called PCF. If memory serves me one of the feature that PCF offered was to be able to stack commands and to separate them it used the field mark key as a delimiter. Although admittedly the biggest feature of PCF was to do data set dasd pooling (it also had a few other really nice features). We used it as well for TSO command authorization as we hadn't gotten RACF yet. The only issue I had was to change dasd meant an IPL or you had to have plenty of spare pools. I didn't like to zap LPA modules unless it was really needed and we needed another freebie from IBM to do that. Ed On May 26, 2012, at 10:42 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2012 19:01:13 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: This part wasn't answered. You need to use the field mark key (x'1E'). Does ISPF treat it the same way that TSO does? I thought that it was just another character except for TSO line mode. Don't know. But I once tried to set Field Mark as my Command Delimiter (seemed to make sense, and semicolon is much too valuable otherwise). ISPF wouldn't let me do that. -- gil AS I recall from the 1980's, I had set up the logon CLIST for most users to immediately go into ISPF after allocations and logoff after ISPF exit. The proper handling of log/list defaults took care of the problem for the most part for us (SYSOUT Z as I recall). Clark Morris -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How to leave ISPF
On Fri, 25 May 2012 19:01:13 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: This part wasn't answered. You need to use the field mark key (x'1E'). Does ISPF treat it the same way that TSO does? I thought that it was just another character except for TSO line mode. Don't know. But I once tried to set Field Mark as my Command Delimiter (seemed to make sense, and semicolon is much too valuable otherwise). ISPF wouldn't let me do that. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How to leave ISPF
On 5/25/2012 7:54 AM, R.S. wrote: When one leaves ISPF usually there is a panel Specify Disposition of Log Data Set. Usually the answer is 2 - delete. Q: how is it possible to exit ISPF by choosing some option (X - Exit) and NOT see the panel? I saw it many moons ago. BTW: I don't ask how to logoff TSO immediately after leaving ISPF. This is another issue. Issue the Settings command Select the top menu item: Log/List Select option 1, Log data set defaults Select Process Option 2;press enter; PF3 Select Log/List again Select option 2, List data set defaults Select Process Option 2;press enter; PF3 done after this, =x will skip the message(s) about log or list processing. -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-355-2752 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How to leave ISPF
On Fri, 25 May 2012 15:54:05 +0200, R.S. wrote: When one leaves ISPF usually there is a panel Specify Disposition of Log Data Set. Usually the answer is 2 - delete. Q: how is it possible to exit ISPF by choosing some option (X - Exit) and NOT see the panel? I saw it many moons ago. BTW: I don't ask how to logoff TSO immediately after leaving ISPF. This is another issue. If I'm in SDSF, I type C in front of my user ID. I miss the VM CP LOGOFF command. Blink of an eye. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How to leave ISPF
Along with setting up the ISPF defaults, I use Tom Brennan's Vista 3270 and have the following macro assigned to an unused key, in my case alt-f9. Sometimes you have to hit it more than once because you are in split screen mode. * * Logoff * Vista macro generated on 09/24/2011 by C.Y.Blaicher * Wait(30,Status=Unlocked) Key(Home) Type(=x) Key(EraseEndofField) Key(Enter) Wait(30,Status=Unlocked) Type(logoff) Key(EraseEndofField) Key(Enter) Wait(30,Status=Unlocked) Exit * End of macro * Chris Blaicher Senior Software Engineer, Software Services Syncsort Incorporated 50 Tice Boulevard, Woodcliff Lake, NJ 07677 P: 201-930-8260 | M: 512-627-3803 E: cblaic...@syncsort.com www.syncsort.com Check out our Knowledge Base at www.syncsort.com/support Syncsort aims for the best product and service experience. We welcome your feedback. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 9:03 AM To: MVS List Server 1 Subject: Re: How to leave ISPF On 5/25/2012 7:54 AM, R.S. wrote: When one leaves ISPF usually there is a panel Specify Disposition of Log Data Set. Usually the answer is 2 - delete. Q: how is it possible to exit ISPF by choosing some option (X - Exit) and NOT see the panel? I saw it many moons ago. BTW: I don't ask how to logoff TSO immediately after leaving ISPF. This is another issue. Issue the Settings command Select the top menu item: Log/List Select option 1, Log data set defaults Select Process Option 2;press enter; PF3 Select Log/List again Select option 2, List data set defaults Select Process Option 2;press enter; PF3 done after this, =x will skip the message(s) about log or list processing. -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-355-2752 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How to leave ISPF
On Fri, 25 May 2012 08:03:10 -0600, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com wrote: BTW: I don't ask how to logoff TSO immediately after leaving ISPF. This is another issue. This part wasn't answered. You need to use the field mark key (x'1E'). It looks like a semi colon with a solid line above it. I have no idea what it might be set to if anything in your 3270 emulation. It's been a long time since I used it and I don't think it's assigned in my vista TN3270 (which I usually use) - but it is on the keypad. I normally would do this: =x;;xfield marklogoff At many shops I've been at, to save key strokes I've seen clists called O or LO or LOGO etc. and I would just type=x;;xfield markoto logoff. The reason I don't use it, is because I use FASTPATH from CBT file 183, which includes 2 commands - LOGOFF and CRASH . Using LOGOFF will log you off regardless of how many logical / split screens you have active. Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How to leave ISPF
In article 9817663136320041.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu you wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2012 15:54:05 +0200, R.S. wrote: When one leaves ISPF usually there is a panel Specify Disposition of Log Data Set. Usually the answer is 2 - delete. Q: how is it possible to exit ISPF by choosing some option (X - Exit) and NOT see the panel? I saw it many moons ago. BTW: I don't ask how to logoff TSO immediately after leaving ISPF. This is another issue. If I'm in SDSF, I type C in front of my user ID. I miss the VM CP LOGOFF command. Blink of an eye. -- gil If you don't mind just abending yourself, you could always hit SYSREQ and type in LOGOFF. -- Don Poitras - SAS Development - SAS Institute Inc. - SAS Campus Drive sas...@sas.com (919) 531-5637Cary, NC 27513 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How to leave ISPF
On Fri, 25 May 2012 11:23:48 -0400, Don Poitras poit...@pobox.com wrote: In article 9817663136320041.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu you wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2012 15:54:05 +0200, R.S. wrote: When one leaves ISPF usually there is a panel Specify Disposition of Log Data Set. Usually the answer is 2 - delete. Q: how is it possible to exit ISPF by choosing some option (X - Exit) and NOT see the panel? I saw it many moons ago. BTW: I don't ask how to logoff TSO immediately after leaving ISPF. This is another issue. If I'm in SDSF, I type C in front of my user ID. I miss the VM CP LOGOFF command. Blink of an eye. -- gil If you don't mind just abending yourself, you could always hit SYSREQ and type in LOGOFF. If you use a VTAM session manager, that will only log you off from the session manager application. I know lots of small shops / development shops don't have them these days since you can start as many emulation sessions as you want, but I think most production shops - especially the medium to large size ones - still use them. Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How to leave ISPF
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 2:54 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.plwrote: When one leaves ISPF usually there is a panel Specify Disposition of Log Data Set. Usually the answer is 2 - delete. Q: how is it possible to exit ISPF by choosing some option (X - Exit) and NOT see the panel? I saw it many moons ago. BTW: I don't ask how to logoff TSO immediately after leaving ISPF. This is another issue. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland I assign ISPLOG and ISPLIST to SYSOUT so that message never appears and the output is available in the SPOOL if required. Jim McAlpine -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How to leave ISPF
There must be 50 ways to leave your session. - groan - Well, it is Friday. Bill Fairchild Programmer Rocket Software 408 Chamberlain Park Lane * Franklin, TN 37069-2526 * USA t: +1.617.614.4503 * e: bfairch...@rocketsoftware.com * w: www.rocketsoftware.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Zelden Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 10:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: How to leave ISPF On Fri, 25 May 2012 11:23:48 -0400, Don Poitras poit...@pobox.com wrote: In article 9817663136320041.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu you wrote: On Fri, 25 May 2012 15:54:05 +0200, R.S. wrote: When one leaves ISPF usually there is a panel Specify Disposition of Log Data Set. Usually the answer is 2 - delete. Q: how is it possible to exit ISPF by choosing some option (X - Exit) and NOT see the panel? I saw it many moons ago. BTW: I don't ask how to logoff TSO immediately after leaving ISPF. This is another issue. If I'm in SDSF, I type C in front of my user ID. I miss the VM CP LOGOFF command. Blink of an eye. -- gil If you don't mind just abending yourself, you could always hit SYSREQ and type in LOGOFF. If you use a VTAM session manager, that will only log you off from the session manager application. I know lots of small shops / development shops don't have them these days since you can start as many emulation sessions as you want, but I think most production shops - especially the medium to large size ones - still use them. Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How to leave ISPF
From: paulgboul...@aim.com If I'm in SDSF, I type C in front of my user ID. Be aware that if you cancel your session your ISPF profile won't get saved. Dave Salt SimpList(tm) - try it; you'll get it! http://www.mackinney.com/products/program-development/simplist.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How to leave ISPF
In 8947834608329895.wa.markmzelden@bama.ua.edu, on 05/25/2012 at 10:04 AM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com said: This part wasn't answered. You need to use the field mark key (x'1E'). Does ISPF treat it the same way that TSO does? I thought that it was just another character except for TSO line mode. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How to leave ISPF
On Fri, 25 May 2012 19:01:13 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In 8947834608329895.wa.markmzelden@bama.ua.edu, on 05/25/2012 at 10:04 AM, Mark Zelden m...@mzelden.com said: This part wasn't answered. You need to use the field mark key (x'1E'). Does ISPF treat it the same way that TSO does? I thought that it was just another character except for TSO line mode. I don't know. But when used the way I described, you are in TSO READY from the =x;;x prior to the field mark, so it is TSO at that point, not ISPF. The drawback IIRC was that it never worked in split screen and that was another reason I started using the LOGOFF command from FASTPATH. I'm sure there are discussions about this in the ISPF-L archives. Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
