Re: [ilugd] Re: Suggestion for Lify CD

2004-04-01 Thread vivek khurana

--- Tarun Dua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have always thought of muft music to be a good
 development tool ;-)

 okay guyz, i count it as a suggestion. Lify guyz on
the list please note this.


regards
VK

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Re: [ilugd] Re: ILUGD April Meeting (summing up)

2004-04-01 Thread vivek khurana

--- Tarun Dua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Since no one has actually volunteered to talk about
 the desktop yet.
 The following speakers have volunteered to talk.
 1. VK (Debian) : A guide to debian
 installation/setup
 Why you changed the topic of my presentation. I  can
give a presentation on difference between Rh and deb.
But i am not that good at deb installation (i am just
3 deb installation old).
 (hopefully he TD is refering to me)

 We still need a speaker for the introductory talk
 and standby speakers.
 It will be good if you can show knoppix during the
intro i.e if u give intro of knoppix to newbies(as a
part of introduction to linux)

Regards
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Re: [ilugd] Suggestion for Lify CD

2004-04-01 Thread vivek khurana

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 How about some desktops/WMs? Esp. the light ones
 (some of which are pain to 
 download over dial-up) like XPde, XFCE, Fluxbox (not
 a pain to download, but 
 still, it rocks!) or ROX (well, the things that make
 up the WM part of it 
 are).

 Are desktop/Wm part of development tools?? I don't
think so. If the list thinks so, we can recommend.

Regards
VK


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[ilugd] Re: ILUGD April Meeting (summing up)

2004-04-01 Thread Tarun Dua
vivek khurana wrote:
 I  can
give a presentation on difference between Rh and deb.
(hopefully he TD is refering to me)
Yes. I would request RRS(Ritesh Raj Sarraf) to not touch this topic
in his Debian talk(which should still have enuf material I guess)
and you should go ahead with this instead.
 It will be good if you can show knoppix during the
intro i.e if u give intro of knoppix to newbies(as a
part of introduction to linux)
I am not familiar with knoppix but I recently made a presentation
on how Linux/Free Software can helps in career growth(esp. targeted 
towards students) and I am itching to repeat that at ILUGD(that goes 
towards a standby however)
-Tarun

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Re: [ilugd] evolution tip: LL to LL

2004-04-01 Thread Bhaskar Dutta
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 On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, linuxlingam wrote:
[snip]
  RR  okay, here's a small little tip i've discovered.
RR  i want to work with LL's evolution folders+contacts+calendar on
 RH8, RR  while working in fedora's evolution.
RR 
RR  but i don't want to import. with just linking, i can work in either
 RH8 RR  or fedora without having two separate archives to synchronize. RR
 
RR  in the /home/LL directory of fedora, there's a folder called
RR  'evolution.' i deleted it.
RR 
RR  created a symbolic link to the evolution folder of LL on RH8, in
RR  /home/LL of fedora, using the command ln -s.
RR 
RR  launched evolution.
RR 
RR  bingo!
RR 

   On Wednesday 31 Mar 2004 2:51 pm, RR Ritesh Raj Sarraf said:
RR different versions of the same software might cause incompatibilities
 in RR the future and make all your data unusable.
RR

I use the same mail folders across my FreeBSD, LFS and debian distros.
On  FreeBSD 5.2 (UFS2 filesystem) I mount LFS's ext3fs filesystem which holds 
the actual maildirs. The symlink to /lfs/Mail is sufficient.
On debian (reiserfs filesystem) all I need to do is mount the ext3fs for 
mails. That way, whichever system I boot, I can always check my mails. The 
whole thing is completely transparent. No synchronizing whatsoever.

I use KDE 3.1.4 on BSD, KDE 3.1.3 on LFS and KDE 3.2 on debian.  They have 
never created any problems. In fact I have even used the same folders with 
RH7.3's kmail. The only thing I have to check is what type of mailbox the 
user-agent is using, i.e. whether maildir or mbox. Kmail stores mails in 
maildir format by default. If you use mbox type mailboxes, you can even open 
the same with mutt (or for that matter any other s/w) without needing to do 
any changes except create a symlink. Of course you can set up most mail 
agents to use the type of mailboxes you prefer.

Also, copying the kmailrc file to another distro saves me the trouble of 
setting up any account details. And finally... a symlink to .gnupg folder 
lets me use the same GPG settings and signatures.

Nevertheless, sometimes things can go wrong. For that I use mhonarc to create 
html archives of all my mailboxes. 

Tell me, is this situation hazardous?

Regards,
Bhaskar.


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Re: [ilugd] Re: Suggestion required on CBQ !!!!!!

2004-04-01 Thread Sandeep Agarwal
I have done as you suggested. In iptraf under LAN station monitor, It is showing 
ethernet
address not the IP address. Also I want to see the real time bandwidth usages (In 
Cumulative) by the
different interfaces. So that I can show/convince the same to management.

Any other tool by which I can see the bandwidth usages in graphical mode?

Thanking you,
Sandeep Agarwal
- Original Message -
From: Ashwin Shah [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Sandeep Agarwal' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'The Linux-Delhi mailing list'
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Ashwin Shah' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:08 PM
Subject: RE: [ilugd] Re: Suggestion required on CBQ !!


 The files seem to be ok. I am guessing that you must have already tried
 it out. Ipchains has no relation to this as far as my knowledge goes and
 I doubt that there would be any relation found.
 If you have not already done the following please do it.
 Bash# chmod 500 /etc/init.d/htb.init
 To start bandwidth management give
 Bash# /etc/init.d/htb.init start

 To stop
 Bash# /etc/init.d/htb.init stop

 To check status
 Bash# /etc/init.d/htb.init stat


 To check bandwidth usage run iptraf
 Go to LAN station monitor and select the interface
 You will get the upload and download rates in kbps


 Best regards,

 Ashwin Shah



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Sandeep Agarwal
 Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 7:39 PM
 To: Ashwin Shah; 'The Linux-Delhi mailing list'
 Subject: Re: [ilugd] Re: Suggestion required on CBQ !!

 Hello Ashwin,

 Thanks again. I have checked it  found modules already there.
 So I have go to HTB config directly and done all as you suggest.
 Please go through the following  suggest whether I have done it
 correctly or
 more modification required? I have IPCHAINS on this server so
 I have to require to put -m option more in IPCHAINS right?

 Thanking you,
 Sandeep Agarwal
 
 -
 -
 Scenario: Restrict Server, Comp1  Comp2 on given speed.
 --256kbps---|eth0(203.145.134.112/255.255.255.252) [A]
  |eth1(Server room) 56kbps
 (203.145.134.120/255.255.255.248)
 [B]
  |eth2(Company2) 80kbps
 (203.145.134.116/255.255.255.252) [C]

 (192.168.100.0/255.255.255.0)
  |eth3(Company1)
 120kbps(192.168.200.0/255.255.255.0) [D]
 
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 -
 Now in /etc/sysconfig/htb directory, I have put following files.

 eth0
   DEFAULT=30
   R2Q=10

 eth0-2.root
   # root class containing total bandwidth
   RATE=128kbps
   BURST=15k

 eth0-2:1.comp1
   # default class for Company1 traffic
   RATE=120Kbps
   BURST=15k
   PRIO=0
   LEAF=sfq
   RULE=192.168.200.0/24

 eth0-2:2.comp2
   # default class for Company2 traffic
   RATE=80Kbps
   BURST=10k
   PRIO=1
   LEAF=sfq
   RULE=192.168.100.0/24

 eth0-2:1.server
   # default class for Server Room traffic
   RATE=56Kbps
   BURST=10k
   PRIO=3
   LEAF=sfq
   RULE=203.145.134.120/29
 --
 eth1-2:3.root
   # root class For Server Room containing total bandwidth
   RATE=56kbps
   BURST=5k

 eth1-2:3:30.all
   # class for Server Room traffic
   RATE=56Kbps
   BURST=5k
   PRIO=3
   LEAF=sfq
   RULE=203.145.134.120/29
   MARK=3
 --
 eth2-2:2.root
   # root class For Company2 containing total bandwidth
   RATE=80kbps
   BURST=8k

 eth2-2:2:20.all
   # class for outgoing Company2 traffic
   RATE=80Kbps
   BURST=8k
   PRIO=1
   LEAF=sfq
   RULE=192.168.100.0/24
   MARK=2
 --
 eth3-2:1.root
   # root class For Company1 containing total bandwidth
   RATE=120kbps
   BURST=15k

 eth3-2:1:10.all
   # class for outgoing Company1 traffic
   RATE=120Kbps
   BURST=15k
   PRIO=0
   LEAF=sfq
   RULE=192.168.200.0/24
   MARK=1
 
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 From: Ashwin Shah [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'Sandeep Agarwal' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'The Linux-Delhi
 mailing
 list' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:13 AM
 Subject: RE: [ilugd] Re: Suggestion required on CBQ !!


 First look for the following files in
 /lib/modules/2.4.20-8/kernel/net/sched


 sch_htb.o sch_sfq.o cls_fw.o cls_u32.o cls_route.o

 if these files exist then great you can go directly to HTB config below.
 Else you will have to compile these. To compile do as follows

 1) bash# cd /usr/src/linux-2.4
 2) bash# make menuconfig
 3) Go to Networking options  --- press Enter
 4) Go to QoS and/or fair queueing  --- press Enter
 5) Select * for QoS and/or fair queueing, QoS support, Rate estimator,
 Packet classifier API and Traffic Policing
 

Re: [ilugd] Re:Lify CDs

2004-04-01 Thread Bhaskar Dutta
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   On Wednesday 31 Mar 2004 11:21 pm, SJ Shivkumar Jagannath said:
SJ hi,
SJ I am desparately looking for a linux distribution for
SJ a Dec Alpha Station 255 @233 Mhz. I would appreciate
SJ it if LFY could include one such thingy in their next
SJ issue. The downside is that i might be the only guy
SJ who buys that issue!
SJ

Wow! Don't you think that's too much to ask for? I mean, they have to create 
thousands of duplicate CDs for every issue. Who's going to buy the rest of 
the issues ;-) ?? (considering the fact that most indian subscribers are 
probably on i386 machines) 
 I think you would be better off downloading ISO's from the net. That ways it 
would be faster and easier. 

Your LX3+ (Avanti family) is supported by debian linux.  Check:
http://www.debian.org/ports/alpha/index

Mandrake's cooker is buildable on alpha. (7.1 is available)
SuSE Linux 8.1 Alpha Edition is available.
Redhat 7.2 is available.
work on a Fedora port is ongoing.

You can get all your queries answered from http://www.alphalinux.org/


Regards,
Bhaskar.

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Re: [ilugd] Re: Suggestion required on CBQ !!!!!!

2004-04-01 Thread Ankur Rohatgi
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On 04/01/2004 04:08 PM, Sandeep Agarwal wrote:
| I have done as you suggested. In iptraf under LAN station monitor,
It is showing ethernet
| address not the IP address. Also I want to see the real time bandwidth
usages (In Cumulative) by the
| different interfaces. So that I can show/convince the same to management.
|
| Any other tool by which I can see the bandwidth usages in graphical mode?
I am assuming you mean under X when you mean graphical, why you have X
installed on a gateway is another story. Well if you can do with semi
graphical then you should try iftop . Also ntop through the web is great
for detailed stats.
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Re: [ilugd] Transparent SMTP proxy

2004-04-01 Thread Varun Varma
Raj Mathur wrote:
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A client is running NAT on a Linux box for his bandwidth customers.
Now he needs to be able to catch spam and virus e-mails at the NAT
gateway itself.  Is there any way to transparently redirect outgoing
SMTP into a local Sendmail (preferred) or other mail server for the
Milter-type stuff?
Would a simple REDIRECT into a locally-running Sendmail do the trick?
Reason I ask is because it doesn't work with Squid for port 80 -- you
have to explicitly tell Squid it's acting as a transparent proxy.
Raj,

Not sure if sendmail (or any other MTA for that matter) is what you 
should be using. I guess that with a heavy amount of configuration 
wizardry, you could get it to work as an SMTP proxy instead of a relay. 
But why not look at stuff like anti-spam SMTP proxy 
(assp.sourceforge.net) which is custom built for this kind of work.

Heck, your client could even run POP3Scan (p3scan.sourceforge.net) or 
PostArmor (www.postarmor.com) and protect his clients from incoming 
spam/viruses.

Hope that helps...
Regards,
Varun Varma
P.S. If you think I should have written spam/virii, have a look at:

http://www.perl.com/language/misc/virus.html

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RE: [ilugd] Gentoo

2004-04-01 Thread linuxlingam
On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 05:09, Gurpreet Singh Sachdeva wrote:
 To summarize the heart of Gentoo, [snip]

do you use it, or have started to use it? would you like to give a small
talk on this at the next meet, please?

it would be nice if mary delivered the talk, but i know she seems to be
rather busy these days and hasn't been attending meets regularly.


:-)
LL

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Re: [ilugd] Re: ILUGD April Meeting (summing up)

2004-04-01 Thread Supreet Sethi
When is the April meet?

I would love to come see and redhat/debian fight.



Supreet



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Re: [ilugd] Suggestion for Lify CD

2004-04-01 Thread linuxlingam
On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 07:52, vivek khurana wrote:
[snip]
  
  in addition, the cds must also carry stuff people
  don't think about,
  like:
  
  1) templates, clip-art, themes, for openoffice,
  xmms, GDM, gimp, etc.
  2) loads of muft and mukt music. encourage artists
  in india to submit
[snip]

  LL how come muft music a development tool??? Although
 this itself can be a good idea to have cd of muft and
 mukt music. You can get in touch with Lify for this,
 wait a minute you are already in touch with them.

er.. look carefully, i say in addition.

LL

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Re: [ilugd] Re: Gentoo

2004-04-01 Thread Bhaskar Dutta
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   On Thursday 01 Apr 2004 10:00 am, TD Tarun Dua said:
TD Supreet Sethi wrote:
TD  When I tried it took me 3 days to get and compile all the packages
 that TD  I needed.
TD I was told there is another problem with Gentoo.
TD It tries to use all sorts of tested/un-tested compile time switches
 when TD it compiles which doesn't always result in an optimized system as
 is TD desired. What was your experience with the gentoo install Supreet, is
 it TD worth the time and effort.
TD

Well, unless you have some wild settings in your /etc/make.conf  (for example
~ARCH, which is similar to debian unstable; or say wrong CHOST, CFLAGS and
CXXFLAGS ), from my personal experience I don't think gentoo will ever give
you an under-optimized or broken system .  All compile switches provided with
the ebuilds are tested by the developers. Could you please share the details
where such a thing has happened?

Regards,
Bhaskar.

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Re: [ilugd] Gentoo

2004-04-01 Thread Bhaskar Dutta
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   On Thursday 01 Apr 2004 10:00 am, SS Supreet Sethi said:
SS As a developer who is trying to get juice out of the system gentoo
 seems SS very attractive.
SS
SS But one problem I faced is lack of eco-system around the distribution. 
SS I would like to see people making binary gentoo packages and 
exchanging SS them.
SS I do'nt see any other way to install system in two hours.
SS When I tried it took me 3 days to get and compile all the package that
SS I needed. And I am not of kind who would try too much stuff

[snip]


Gentoo has been providing pre-built binaries for quite some time now.  The 
latest release from gentoo (gentoo 2004.0) has stage 3 tarballs for GNOME, 
KDE, mozilla, openoffice etc. All these pre-built packages are available for 
download from the gentoo mirrors. 
The Gentoo Reference Platform (GRP), which is a snapshot of prebuilt packages 
provides optimized binaries for x86, i686, pentium3, pentium4, athlon-xp, 
Gentoo Hardened profile, amd64, sparc64, ppc, G3 and G4. Take your pick!

All the stage 3 installation asks you to compile is the kernel, and even that 
can be avoided by using the genkernel script which builds the generic kernel 
(though I would never suggest using it).

The gentoo LiveCD ISO's provide all the binaries. 
Check releases/x86/2004.0/livecd/ in any gentoo mirror.

BTW, if you own an athlon-xp system, you can have the gentoo 2004.0 ISO's from 
me. I have th following:
install-x86-minimal-2004.0.iso (80 MB)
install-x86-universal-2004.0.iso (688 MB) (works with any x86 based system)
packages-athlon-xp-2004.0.iso (639 MB) (optimized binaries for athlon-xp)

packages-athlon-xp includes:
xfce4-4.0.1, mozilla-firefox-0.8, mozilla-1.6, kde-3.2, gnome-2.4.2, 
apache-2.0.48, mysql-4.0.16, qt-3.3, sylpheed-0.9.4, evolution-1.4.5 etc.
 
Regards,
Bhaskar.

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[ilugd] Device Driver Please help...................

2004-04-01 Thread satendra_cs

I m making device driver in linux by using FEDORA CORE 1, but when i was
compiling the following module :

 //***  Start  **//

#define MODULE
#include linux/module.h
#includelinux/fs.h
static int lp_open(struct inode * inode, struct file * file);

static struct file_operations lp_fops =
 {
  owner:THIS_MODULE,
  open: lp_open,
 };

int init_module(void)

 {int resinit;
  printk(0HI DEAR MODULE HAS BEEN INSERTED ONCE\n);
  resinit = register_chrdev(252, SATENDRA PRATAP, lp_fops);
  return 0;
 }

void cleanup_module(void)
{
int resclean;
printk(0BYE DEAR unloading...\n);
resclean = unregister_chrdev(252, SATENDRA PRATAP);
if(resclean0)
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}




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I was getting the error.PLEASE help me as soon as possible.

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[ilugd] Re: Gentoo

2004-04-01 Thread Tarun Dua
Bhaskar Dutta wrote:

TD I was told there is another problem with Gentoo.
hearsay!
-Tarun
g,d  r
Well, unless you have some wild settings in your /etc/make.conf  (for example
~ARCH, which is similar to debian unstable; or say wrong CHOST, CFLAGS and
CXXFLAGS ), from my personal experience I don't think gentoo will ever give
you an under-optimized or broken system .  All compile switches provided with
the ebuilds are tested by the developers. Could you please share the details
where such a thing has happened?


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[ilugd] Re: [LIH]Transparent SMTP proxy

2004-04-01 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
[4/1/2004 10:36 AM]  Raj Mathur :

A client is running NAT on a Linux box for his bandwidth customers.
Now he needs to be able to catch spam and virus e-mails at the NAT
gateway itself.  Is there any way to transparently redirect outgoing
SMTP into a local Sendmail (preferred) or other mail server for the
Milter-type stuff?
Your best way to go would be to block port 25 outbound entirely except 
through your smarthost.

People who want to send mail out through other hosts can use port 587 
(the rfc well known msa port) or an ssh tunnel

	srs

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Re: [ilugd] Device Driver Please help...................

2004-04-01 Thread Bhaskar Dutta
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sa I m making device driver in linux by using FEDORA CORE 1, but when i
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sa
sa I was getting the error.PLEASE help me as soon as possible.

Well, what error are you actually getting during the compilation of the HI 
DEAR module? What does your Makefile say? 

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Re: [ilugd] kBinaryClock

2004-04-01 Thread Arjun Asthana
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On Wednesday 31 March 2004 17:17, you wrote:
 dear all,

 have the usual clock on my taskbar, but its the fantastic KBinaryClock.
 it displays the time in binary, as LED dots. great way to brush up
 binary numbers. it looks so cool. people who glance at my desktop think
 its an amusing, self-playing abacus, but it accurately displays the time
 to the last second.
 http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/programs/program.php?program=KBinaryClock

Have you tried wmfishtime? It is a great dockapp (yes, you guessed it! it's 
for wmaker but works painlessly for me on fluxbox) that shows an analog clock 
and monitors your mail. What makes it special, you ask? It's inside water and 
there's a bunch of cute fishies inside the water thatare scared away when you 
point your mouse on it. And when a new mail comes, it shows weeds partially 
covering the clock.

http://freshmeat.net/projects/wmfishtime/

There's another cute thing called bubblefishymon which is a cross of 
bubblemon and wmfishtime. It shows a duck floating on water whose level rises 
with cpu usage and the water bubbles on mem. usage. It also has fishes that 
monitor your network up/download. You can also have the clock in that. No 
idea where I got it from.

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Re: [ilugd] Re: ILUGD April Meeting (summing up)

2004-04-01 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
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On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Tarun Dua wrote:

 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:33:51 +0530
 From: Tarun Dua [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [ilugd] Re: ILUGD April Meeting (summing up)

 vivek khurana wrote:
   I  can
  give a presentation on difference between Rh and deb.
  (hopefully he TD is refering to me)
 Yes. I would request RRS(Ritesh Raj Sarraf) to not touch this topic
 in his Debian talk(which should still have enuf material I guess)
 and you should go ahead with this instead.
 -Tarun
Sure,
I would go ahead with the following topics if it's okay with everyone:
a) Debian and its philosophy.
b) Latest Development in Debian.
c) Key features/merits of Debian.

I hope these topics aren't clashing.

rrs



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Re: [ilugd] Re: Gentoo

2004-04-01 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
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On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Bhaskar Dutta wrote:

 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 18:26:37 +0530
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On Thursday 01 Apr 2004 10:00 am, TD Tarun Dua said:
 TD Supreet Sethi wrote:
 TD  When I tried it took me 3 days to get and compile all the packages
  that TD  I needed.
 TD I was told there is another problem with Gentoo.
 TD It tries to use all sorts of tested/un-tested compile time switches
  when TD it compiles which doesn't always result in an optimized system as
  is TD desired. What was your experience with the gentoo install Supreet, is
  it TD worth the time and effort.
 TD

 Well, unless you have some wild settings in your /etc/make.conf  (for example
 ~ARCH, which is similar to debian unstable; or say wrong CHOST, CFLAGS and
 CXXFLAGS ), from my personal experience I don't think gentoo will ever give
 you an under-optimized or broken system .  All compile switches provided with
 the ebuilds are tested by the developers. Could you please share the details
 where such a thing has happened?

 Regards,
 Bhaskar.

Will using Gentoo, or in simple, recompiling programs with Optimization
Flags make a major difference. For a normal set of packages I don't think so. Besides, 
it does make differences with some exceptional softwares like Open Office etc, may be, 
but I'm not sure. Won't simply using `prelink` on a normal package (packages made for 
Debian/RedHat) optimize it. Yes, there are results on Gentoo's website that do prove 
that performance is much better the Gentoo way but `prelink` too has some features to 
suffice it.
I know it's not directly related to the topic but thought might be of
some use. Following are some links related to prelink:
http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-alpha/2001-06/msg00113.html
http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2001-05/msg01670.html

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[ilugd] Re: ILUGD April Meeting (summing up)

2004-04-01 Thread Tarun Dua
Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:
I hope these topics aren't clashing.
So everything is set of the April Meet now.
Cheers!!
-Tarun
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RE: [ilugd] Re: ILUGD April Meeting (summing up)

2004-04-01 Thread Kapoor, Nishikant
 Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:
  I hope these topics aren't clashing.
 So everything is set of the April Meet now.
 Cheers!!
 -Tarun

In that case, please update it at ILUG-D site. As the author of the event, you can 
always go back and change it if need be. Others can add comments.

I recall, there was a talk about maintaining details of ILUG-D meets, agenda, minutes, 
etc. I would urge you all to use ILUG-D 'Event Calendar' for it. Give it a try, you 
might like it.

Regards,
Nishi


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[ilugd] A new file uploaded at ILUG-D site

2004-04-01 Thread linuxlingam
There is a new file uploaded at ILUG-D site and here are the details: 

Uploaded filename: sodipodiTutorial.tgz 
Size: 8091183 bytes 
Comments: Your source files! Get started with graphic design and illustration. a 
tutorial on sodipodi for newbies to both graphic design and sodipodi. these are 
several source files archived into one file. all published under the free 
documentation license. copyright 2004. niyam bhushan. please share these and the other 
PDF with as many as you wish. 

And, the link is 

[ http://www.linux-delhi.org/ilugd/../cgi-bin/ilugd/download.cgi?action=downloads ] 

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Re: [ilugd] kBinaryClock

2004-04-01 Thread linuxlingam
On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 16:25, Arjun Asthana wrote:
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 On Wednesday 31 March 2004 17:17, you wrote:
  dear all,
 
  have the usual clock on my taskbar, but its the fantastic KBinaryClock.
  it displays the time in binary, as LED dots. [snip]
  http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/programs/program.php?program=KBinaryClock
 
 Have you tried wmfishtime? [snip] It's inside water and 
 there's a bunch of cute fishies inside the water thatare scared away when you 
 point your mouse on it. And when a new mail comes, it shows weeds partially 
 covering the clock.
 
 http://freshmeat.net/projects/wmfishtime/
 
 There's another cute thing called bubblefishymon which is a cross of 
 bubblemon and wmfishtime.[snip]

here's the url:
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/linux/timecop/

it has both wmfishtime and bubble*.


there's a guru, below him an expert, below her a newbie. what comes
below a newbie. people like me, of course! what category? the former
macintosh users of the world, who grew up with only GUI-based computers,
with only one button on the mouse, so it would be damn difficult to
press the wrong one!
;-)

some have a sweet tooth, i guess i have one for making my runlevel 5
interface and GUI as cool and as colorful as possible. all i do is spend
time doing this, rather than research into how to setup clusters. :-)

glad i found a friend in arjun asthana. okay, so we are going to
actively share such eye-candy and things that thrill the human interface
to linux.

anybody got anything else to share? please write in. consider this my
fetish!

:-)
LL



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RE: [ilugd] Gentoo

2004-04-01 Thread Gurpreet Singh Sachdeva
She is actually a He :-) 

Ha Ha Ha!!! The 'HE' and 'SHE' confusion...
Interesting, but can't help! It's the name only which can be blamed!

Hope the original 'MARY' (he or she) is listing to us and clear all our
doubts ;o)

BR,
GSS

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Re: [ilugd] kBinaryClock

2004-04-01 Thread linuxlingam
just installed both bubblemon and fish, but they are more suited for
another DE. i use KDE, and they just show up as a square box. still they
are quite cute! must try them once

:-)
LL

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Re: [ilugd] Re: ILUGD April Meeting (summing up)

2004-04-01 Thread linuxlingam
On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 21:30, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:

 Sure,
 I would go ahead with the following topics if it's okay with everyone:
 a) Debian and its philosophy.
 b) Latest Development in Debian.
 c) Key features/merits of Debian.
 
 I hope these topics aren't clashing.
 
 rrs
 
 

excellent! these are exciting. and please keep them simple for a
macintosh user like me!

:-)
LL

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Re: [ilugd] Gentoo

2004-04-01 Thread linuxlingam
On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 23:06, Raj Shekhar wrote:
 linuxlingam wrote:
 
  it would be nice if mary delivered the talk, but i know she seems to be
  rather busy these days and hasn't been attending meets regularly.
 
 LL, I met Mary at the LinuxAsia. She is actually a He :-) . IIRC Mary is 
 a sys admin + programmer + system analyst at Sarai. So will the real 
 Mary please speak out and clear my confusion ?


hee hee heee! are you sure!
i bet there will be quite a large turnout at the april meet from the
curious...

btw, april fool, everyone.


:-)
LL

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Re: [ilugd] kBinaryClock

2004-04-01 Thread linuxlingam
after spending more than 14 years staring at macintosh screens, i don't
want to make my gnulinux look like another mac. c'mon! i much prefer the
more adventurous things i can do in KDE and with eye-candy applets etc.

btw, i keep my taskbar on the top, never at the bottom. when apple first
designed the menu, they kept it at the bottom. user interface response
showed people found it better and more intuitive when at the top. the
visual of a menu dropping down is intuitive to our understanding of
gravity. people thought it did not take too much space when on the top.
so apple realized this and shifted it to the top. needless to say, the
macintosh GUI was a super roaring success.

ironic, when m$ created their mac-wannabe, [windoze] they put the
taskbar at the bottom. typical.

and so we have the majority of the population of pc users, keeping their
taskbar at the bottom.

endnote: NeXT put it on the right as a vertical, in NeXTstep. but deep
down steve knew what human cognition and perception intuitively
understands.

:-)
LL

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[ilugd] argh! what's this dvdcss thingie?

2004-04-01 Thread linuxlingam
under the pcqlinux2k4 fedora, i found to my surprise a full-working
dvdplayer in software, which is great.

just a moment ago, i found the following:

/home/LL/.dvdcss/MY_DISC#200403252319/


okay, so i wonder, what the f**k is this? some sort of DRM (digital
rights management) mechanism in place?

make that digital restrictions management, in the words of RMS.

any clues, guys?

:-(
LL

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[ilugd] Bootsplash on Intel 810 (i810fb) Driver

2004-04-01 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
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Hello All,
I'm not sure how many of you might have faced this similar problem. The 
problem of configuring the sleek and sexy bootsplash on Intel 810 VGA (i810fb). Well, 
I've just put up a small documentation on my website at 
http://www.researchut.com/docs/bootsplash.html  about how to make bootsplash work on 
i810fb driver.

Feel free to have a look at it.


rrs

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Re: [ilugd] argh! what's this dvdcss thingie?

2004-04-01 Thread Bhaskar Dutta
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   On Friday 02 Apr 2004 2:00 am, li linuxlingam said:
li under the pcqlinux2k4 fedora, i found to my surprise a full-working
li dvdplayer in software, which is great.
li
li just a moment ago, i found the following:
li
li /home/LL/.dvdcss/MY_DISC#200403252319/
li
li
li okay, so i wonder, what the f**k is this? some sort of DRM (digital
li rights management) mechanism in place?
li
li make that digital restrictions management, in the words of RMS.
li
li any clues, guys?

libdvdcss is the library used to access dvds like a block device. You dont 
need to worry about the decryption of dvds anymore. libdvdcss doesn't require 
the region of your drive to be set. Even with region mismatch, it reads DVDs. 
Cool, heh!

Here's what the actual documentation of the library says about your hidden 
directory:

quote

Some environment variables can be used to change the behaviour of libdvdcss 
without having to modify the program which uses it.

DVDCSS_METHOD: sets the authentication and decryption method that libdvdcss 
will use to read scrambled discs. Can be one of title, key or disc.
 
DVDCSS_CACHE: specify a directory in which to store title key values. This 
will speed up descrambling of DVDs which are in the cache. The DVDCSS_CACHE 
directory is created if it does not exist, and a subdirectory is created 
named after the DVD's  TITLE OR MANUFACTURING DATE. 

If DVDCSS_CACHE is not set or is empty, libdvdcss will use the default value 
which is ${HOME}/.dvdcss/ 

/quote---

I got this from the libdvdcss developer documentation at:
http://developers.videolan.org/libdvdcss/libdvdcss/doc/html/

BTW, some more information on DVDs. 
I use okle, xine, mplayer  totem to play DVDs. They play all DVD's 
flawlessly. Only problem i have faced is that okle needs a restart when you 
change DVDs. Hopefully that will be rectified soon.
Transcode is another amazing software which provides fantastic tools to rip 
dvds. I have dvd::rip installed but there is this amazing perl script called 
V2divx which keeps everything very neat and simple. Converting the LOTR-III 
DVD (3 hrs 12 min long) to divx using V2divx (using transcode and ffmpeg) 
took only _three_and_a_half_hours (on an LFS system with 512MB RAM and 1800+ 
athlon XP) What I got was a neatly done 700MB divx file which I burned to a 
single cd! Now the DrDivx professional software (on windows) would take 
around 7 hrs to do the same thing. Dunno why? :-)

regards,
Bhaskar.

P.S. Can anyone tell me what frame rate they get while encoding DVDs in 
windows and linux? I get around 62-65 fps under linux.

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Re: [ilugd] Bootsplash on Intel 810 (i810fb) Driver

2004-04-01 Thread Bhaskar Dutta
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   On Friday 02 Apr 2004 3:21 am, RRS Ritesh Raj Sarraf said:
RR Hello All,
RR I'm not sure how many of you might have faced this similar problem.
 The problem of configuring the sleek and sexy bootsplash on Intel 810 VGA
 (i810fb). Well, I've just put up a small documentation on my website at
 http://www.researchut.com/docs/bootsplash.html  about how to make bootsplash
 work on i810fb driver. RR
RR Feel free to have a look at it.
I did!

Well, I have successfully applied the 2.6.3 patch to 2.6.4 kernels (with 
slight modifications i did manually to avoid warnings) on debian unstable, 
LFS 5.0, and gentoo systems.  They all work fine. In fact real neat! 

I think you should add the bit on initrd support  and drop in a few links to 
the bootsplash kernel patches as well as the bootsplash package in your 
document. People will soon come across your page thru web searches and 
providing them with all the required info is all the better!

regards,
Bhaskar

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Re: [ilugd] Bootsplash on Intel 810 (i810fb) Driver

2004-04-01 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
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On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 04:29:48 +0530
Bhaskar Dutta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I did!
 
 Well, I have successfully applied the 2.6.3 patch to 2.6.4 kernels (with 
 slight modifications i did manually to avoid warnings) on debian unstable, 
 LFS 5.0, and gentoo systems.  They all work fine. In fact real neat! 

I am amazed that you got bootsplash working on your Intel 810 VGA. AFAIK, neither me 
nor anyone else on the bootsplash list had been able to have any sort of success with 
it. Are you sure you did it with i810fb ?
Anyway, it would be kind enough if you could post a mail with all the steps to the 
local list as well as the bootsplash list so that everybody could benefit from your 
work.

TIA,
rrs

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Re: [ilugd] Device Driver Please help...................

2004-04-01 Thread Raj Mathur
How about taking this to ILUGD-Dev now that it's finally here? :)

 Sandip == Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Sandip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 printk(0HI DEAR MODULE HAS BEEN INSERTED ONCE\n); resinit =
 register_chrdev(252, SATENDRA PRATAP, lp_fops); return 0; }
 
 void cleanup_module(void) { int resclean; printk(0BYE DEAR
 unloading...\n); resclean = unregister_chrdev(252,
 SATENDRA PRATAP); if(resclean0) printk(0ERROR OCCURED
 unregistering return  0 \n); }
 
 
 
 
 //END*//
 
 I was getting the error.PLEASE help me as soon as possible.

Sandip Have you checked whether register_chrdev() has worked
Sandip successfully or not?

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Re: [ilugd] [Possible OT]Myths And Realities of ILUGD meet

2004-04-01 Thread Pankaj Dekate
hi vivek,
a good compilation.It will definitely encourage people and especially
newbies to attend the meets.I am the unlucky chap out as i reside in
mumbai.

regds,
Pankaj
On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 14:00, vivek khurana wrote:
 Hi! guyz
 
  I had been attending ilugd meets regularly for past
 few months. Based on the experience of myself and some
 other first timers, i had compiled a list of myths and
 realities regarding ilugd meet. Hope i can galvanize
 few other guyz to start attending the meet.
 
 Btw, if any one knows any other myth please post it to
 the list.
 ===
 
 Myth1: linux delhi meets are serious matter
 
 Reality: you must be joking. Linux delhi meets are
 anything but serious. the environment of meet is
 really cool and after party is even better.
 
 Myth2: You have to be linux expert to attend ilugd
 meet.
 
 Reality: If you think so, think again. Most of the
 members attending the meet are either newbies (some
 also pretend to be) or are having intermediate linux
 expertise.
 
 Myth3: Linux delhi meets are a formal affair.
 
 Reality: Did you said formal. Ya ilugd meets are
 formal if your definition of formal incorporates
 hanging around, having a ball of fun, partying etc.
 
 Myth4: You have to register before attending the meet.
 
 Reality: You don't have to register, just walkin to
 the venue and grab a seat. Ya don't forget to shell
 out when asked to do so(only earning members are
 compiled to do so). However, you might be asked to
 register yourself for some meets (such as newbies
 meet), depending on the arrangements (if any) have to
 be made.
 
 Myth5: But i am a sleeping member of ilugd.
 
 Reality : No member is a sleeping member, evenif you
 have registered yourself for receiving digests you are
 a active member. If you still believe you are a
 sleeping member then WAKEUP and make sure you reach to
 ilugd meet venue next time.
 
 Myth6: But i do't live in delhi how can i attend the
 meet.
 
 Reality: Sorry guyz this is not a myth, its a reality.
 You won't be attend the meet if you are not in delhi
 on the day of meet.
 
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 Regards
 VK
 
 
 
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[ilugd] date of april meet

2004-04-01 Thread sachinjain
sir,
  I want to know the date of april meet.
thankx...


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Re: [ilugd] kBinaryClock

2004-04-01 Thread Arjun Asthana
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On Friday 02 April 2004 09:56, you wrote:
  LL == linuxlingam  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 LL just installed both bubblemon and fish, but they are more
 LL suited for another DE. i use KDE, and they just show up as a
 LL square box. still they are quite cute! must try them once

 Nah, if you like eye candy install gkrellm (with all themes) and then
 the bubblefishymon plugin for gkrellm.
???

Had heard (in the README or maybe INSTALL file of the app) that one of these 
apps is on gkrellm also, but what's gkrellm?

 Oh BTW, if you don't use gkrellm on your desktop you aren't having fun
 yet!

 -- Raju

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Re: [ilugd] Re: Suggestion required on CBQ !!!!!!

2004-04-01 Thread Abhi


 I have done as you suggested. In iptraf under LAN station monitor, It
is showing ethernet
 address not the IP address. Also I want to see the real time bandwidth
usages (In Cumulative) by the
 different interfaces. So that I can show/convince the same to management.

 Any other tool by which I can see the bandwidth usages in graphical mode?

Zorbiptraffic is quite good in this regard.

http://www.atout.be/zorbiptrafficlive/zorbiptraffic.php

Not only can you monitor realtime bandwidth utilizaion but it also uses a
mysql backend to keep a record of daily bandwidth usage by each of the
clients.

A new version (v0.10) has just been released.

There are ofcourse other tools for this purpose. I'd recommend giving
etherape a try too.

Regards,
Abhi



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