[ilugd]: Trend Micro VirusWall Not installing
We have Red Hat Linux 6.2 I tried to stop sendmail but does not stop. some 3-4 processes still remains What could be the reason ? /etc/rc.d/init.d/sendmail stop This is needed to install Trend Micro VirusWall. Please help J B Vashisht - Original Message - From: Narsingh Sahu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [ilugd]: X with i845 --- vivek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: doesn't work on every board. however, xfree86 4.3 is out and has all the required support. Does it have solution for i845 sound also? -- narsingh Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, Yahoo! TV. visit http://in.tv.yahoo.com To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org
Re: [ilugd]: yipee: bootCD plays video+films+music called Movix2
Raj Mathur wrote: Actually I have Debian Woody 3.0r1 7-CD set here, thanks to Supreet and IIT who provided the bandwidth. I'll check out how one can get updates (there're tons available). Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a simple way to take (say) Woody Jan 2003 CDs, download only updates and make Woody March 2003 CDs. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/Debian-Jigdo/updatingyourimage.html On a Debian machine (or any other Linux/Win), run jigdo-lite, and feed it the CDs you have. It will download only the changed files, and create an .iso. -- Sanjeev To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org
[ilugd]: richard stallman on excise
hi all, a few days ago had posted a suggestion on why the government should tax commerical non-free software and further fund free software initiatives in india. posted it to linux-india and linux-delhi. controversial? richard stallman made some interesting observations. check it out here: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=4065323 have decided will draft an open letter + signature campaign to the govt., email it to the finance minister's email id and a few others in the relevant govt departments. would post the letter first on ilug-d and also to linux-india. those who agree may sign or give permission to have their names put to the email, and at the end of 5 days, will email it to the government. what about those who disagree? they can draft their own email, start their own signature campaign, and also post/email it similarly. please stand by for the open letter draft. make your comments and suggest changes. once the draft is finalized, we can then ask those interested to sign or contribute their names. :-) n To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org
[ilugd]: [draft] open letter to indian finance minister
[first draft: please submit your suggestions, changes. once a final draft is ready, will post it so those interested may sign or contribute their name to it. will then forward this to the indian finance minister and others in the government.] [cross-posted, and further cross-post, especially to other mailing lists, if required] *** Dear Sir, Re: Levy Excise Tax on All Commercial Software Sold in India. We, the undersigned, propose the Indian Government levy excise tax on all commercial software sold in India. Reasons: 1) Commercial software (C.S) is a big cash drain for both the Indian government and Indian corporates. 2) Almost all commercial software are non-free. This means, they do not give the end users the freedom i) to use the software for any purpose ii) to study the source code of the software iii) to make changes and improvements to the source code iv) to legally share copies of the software with their neighbours and colleagues. v) to pass on such freedom to those who further receive the software. 3) these freedoms are important for a developing, poor, country like India, where every citizen, organization, and state, dreams of harnessing the opportunities offered by IT. 4) these freedoms also significantly curtail strong anti-competitive behaviour in the software industry. 5) countries like China are moving away from non-free software to freedom-based software. India has no such significant, clearly-defined initiative in place for adopting freedom based software. 6) in the lack of such a clear initiative, commercial software vendors raise the stakes for both their competitors and for freedom based software. this further kills innovation in the industry. 7) a large and significant percentage of commercial software is usually sold as bundled, OEM software. end-users find they are *forced* to use such software, since their requests to buy machines with such software uninstalled is usually turned down. 8) indian customers usually find their *only* option is to buy the computer with the bundled software, then carefully disagree the end user license agreement (eula) of the bundled software preferably in front of witnesses, then contact the OEM software vendor independently and press for a refund. this is clearly anti-competitive. and the computer is perceived in cost as (hardware+OEM software as One). 9) Commercial software companies are usually quite rich. Not taxing them allows them to hoard their wealth even more and give them more implicit power to quash their competition in commercial software and in freedom-based software. 10) by taxing them, the indian government will immediately have more powers to i) accelerate the adoption of freedom based software. ii) fund the development of much-needed indigenous solutions in IT for india using freedom-based software (indian language technologies, education projects, free and freedom-based education software, more secure and transparant software for indian defense industries, lower IT infrastructure costs for indian government and businesses, etc.) 11) by taxing commercial software and funding several projects in india on freedom-based software, the indian government also creates a quantum leap in the number of jobs and opportunities available to the indian developer community and IT industry, thus creating and sharing more wealth. 12) the adoption of free and freedom-based software allows indian corporates to save considerable sums of money towards commercial non-free software, where the Return on Investment is loudly questioned. this money can then be used for further job-creating opportunities such as expansion of new units of industrial manufacturing, factories, etc. shareholders of indian companies will also benefit from stronger dividends due to stronger profit margins due to the adoption of free and freedom-based software. 13) the already financially-starved education sector in India will gain, since the large allocation of funds for software in education can be used more productively, even for opening more schools instead. 14) finally, as a statement of leadership and values, india must adopt freedom-based software that is being proposed to the UNICEF to be declared as a world-culture heritage. We hope the Indian government sincerely considers these suggestions. For more information on what is freedom-based software, please check out www.gnu.org. Bizarre as it sounds, when it comes to software: Give us Freedom, or Give Us Taxes. Your Sincerely, signatures... To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org
Re: [ilugd]: Re: aussies raid major ISPs
Just a thought, How many of us really want this list to be a clean and no dirty words list ? And how many of us dont really care about abusive, dbl meaning, dirty language in the list and instead would prefer ilugd to be a speak what you want kind of list. PS: Important to know that even though on the mailinglist all of us have kept the list clean. But during the linux meets, the attitude of the participants seems totally different. REPEAT: Just a thought. Raju The stuff about taking universities to court is more scary. Raju Next time you feel a warm hand [snip] Erhm, *cough*, I didn't realise I was talking to the list. Apologies if I offended anyone's sensibilities, and a *self-thwack* to be more careful in future. -- Raju To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org
Re: [ilugd]: Re: aussies raid major ISPs
Mr./Dear/Respected Sir/Amit, I personally have absolutely no problems in reading such mails on the mailing list, especially those sent by Raj wink! Makes the topic of discussion more interesting than it actually is! To add, it was Sony and not Soni that Raj was referring to! Ashok :) --- amit soni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a thought, How many of us really want this list to be a clean and no dirty words list ? And how many of us dont really care about abusive, dbl meaning, dirty language in the list and instead would prefer ilugd to be a speak what you want kind of list. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org
Re: [ilugd]: Re: aussies raid major ISPs
Mr./Dear/Respected Sir/Amit, I personally have absolutely no problems in reading such mails on the mailing list, especially those sent by Raj wink! Makes the topic of discussion more interesting than it actually is! To add, it was Sony and not Soni that Raj was referring to! Ofcoz, Why would I go that deep to prevent music piracy! ;o) BTW did you know you just added 1 vote in favour of a dirty ilugd list. To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org
Re: [ilugd]: X with i845
please tell em my linux is getting problem at 32 gb hdd tell me there is any option to boot it from the 98/ 2000 regards rajat duggal --- vivek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amitabh Trehan wrote: Hi all, thanks for the input on the list about using X on i845. I set the framebuffer in the CMOS to 8MB( the highest available) and used the i810 driver (this worked better the vesa driver suggested which crashed on changing termainals) . So, the catch is to increase the framebuffer on the MBoard and go ahead.. Amitabh doesn't work on every board. however, xfree86 4.3 is out and has all the required support. -- \|||/ (o o) ooO-(_)-Ooo- | vivek| GPG Key:| | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| http://exain.net/vike | || | Registered Linux User: #305493 | ( _ ) _| | | |_ (___| |___) To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org
Re: [ilugd]: Re: aussies raid major ISPs
Amit == amit soni [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mr./Dear/Respected Sir/Amit, I personally have absolutely no problems in reading such mails on the mailing list, especially those sent by Raj wink! Makes the topic of discussion more interesting than it actually is! To add, it was Sony and not Soni that Raj was referring to! Amit Ofcoz, Why would I go that deep to prevent music piracy! ;o) Amit BTW did you know you just added 1 vote in favour of a dirty Amit ilugd list. OK, let me rephrase: the list is archived and the archives are searchable at Google and other engines. My basic rule of posting is: If one day I'm egosurfing for `Raj Mathur' for the benefit of my mother or my son, I wouldn't want the sort of content that makes me either blush or quickly close the window thrown back at me. Works for me, you can choose your own guidelines. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ It is the mind that moves To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org
Re: [ilugd]: [draft] open letter to indian finance minister
An Opinion :- One battle at a time -- Concentrate on OEM bundled software only. Govt. of India is the most inefficient user of money doesn't make sense to give them another source to waste good money over bad money. The tax concessions on Commercial Software will hurt free software sellers as well. how?? The bureaucrats who do not understand a thing about what is FLOSS/Freedom/OSS and the like will make a mess.I trust them with that. Software Industry as a whole FLOSS or Commercial is wary of the big-bad govt. in India. FLOSS should shun government involvement. They need FLOSS we don't need them and must not look upto them for anything. What makes us think that the taxation wouldn't hurt FLOSS as much as the Software Industry after all FLOSS too needs money ( not only through donations but also selling GPL software + Bundled Support + Cost of developing customizations which may again be released as GPL'ed Software) Asking the government funds for FLOSS will kill FLOSS, why ?? i) We do not want some politician's son/daughter would be the maintainer for India specific FLOSS projects. ii) We do not want FLOSS project grants to be given away to the hopelessly inefficient govt. of India Research and Development Centers and siphoned off from there to I don't know where. iii) Govt. of India is a collection of vested Interests influenced by unscrupulous businesses and what not FLOSS does not have to win by lobbying with governments for undue advantage but by making the govt. a hands off approach to whatever has to do with Computers/Internet/Telecom whenever,wherever possible. See more comments Inline:- *** Dear Sir, Re: Levy Excise Tax on All Commercial Software Sold in India. How does the government define Commercial. FLOSS doesn't mean free as in Beer but Free as in Freedom. We, the undersigned, propose the Indian Government levy excise tax on all commercial software sold in India. Reasons: 1) Commercial software (C.S) is a big cash drain for both the Indian government and Indian corporates. So noble who are we to decide about the best interests of all Indian Corporates and Government Give them Freedom to Choose thats where our role ends. They are Free Not to be Free if they desire so. 2) Almost all commercial software are non-free. This means, they do not give the end users the freedom i) to use the software for any purpose A bureaucrat will say NOT TRUE here -- ii) to study the source code of the software iii) to make changes and improvements to the source code Again a bureaucrat may point out some big exceptions and source code available to governments for a popular commercial OS may suffice for them. iv) to legally share copies of the software with their neighbours and colleagues. With all the propaganda that has been done by the vested Interests for IPR this may not gel with a bureaucrat v) to pass on such freedom to those who further receive the software. This is implied in the above 3) these freedoms are important for a developing, poor, country like India, We are a democratic country not a free country, do not harbor any illusions (period) where every citizen, organization, and state, dreams of harnessing the opportunities offered by IT. One reason for this is because Software Industry(Free + Commercial) has to deal with minimum amount of govt.than any other industry. 4) these freedoms also significantly curtail strong anti-competitive behaviour in the software industry. They will do so without any form of overt Govt. Support as well. 5) countries like China are moving away from non-free software to freedom-based software. India has no such significant, clearly-defined initiative in place for adopting freedom based software. There is a lot of difference between the two forms of govt. We are fortunate we are not China. 6) in the lack of such a clear initiative, commercial software vendors raise the stakes for both their competitors and for freedom based software. this further kills innovation in the industry. Lack of clear Govt. Initiative helps Indian Software Industry grow. Textile Industry was an industry that GOI once focused its attention, before which it was so competitive and showed so much promise that the Japanese decided against competing with it. The rest is history. 7) a large and significant percentage of commercial software is usually sold as bundled, OEM software. end-users find they are *forced* to use such software, since their requests to buy machines with such software uninstalled is usually turned down. Yes here is the real case of infringement of whatever little freedom we have, where the end-user is unable to make the informed choice. 8) indian customers usually find their *only* option is to buy the computer with the bundled software, then carefully disagree the end user license agreement (eula) of the bundled software preferably in front of witnesses, then contact the
Re: [ilugd]: Re: aussies raid major ISPs
Amit == amit soni [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Amit Just a thought, How many of us really want this list to be Amit a clean and no dirty words list ? I do, for one. Amit And how many of us dont really care about abusive, dbl Amit meaning, dirty language in the list and instead would prefer Amit ilugd to be a speak what you want kind of list. Amit PS: Important to know that even though on the mailinglist Amit all of us have kept the list clean. But during the linux Amit meets, the attitude of the participants seems totally Amit different. At the Meet you can see whom you're talking to. Then the language you use is your choice. On the list, I don't know whether I'm talking to a 80-year-old grandmother or a 6-year-old boy from school. Hence I try to keep my language to a basic standard which would be acceptable to both of them. Maybe I don't always succeed, but it's the thought that counts, right? :) Secondly, spoken stuff at the Meets isn't archived for posterity, while the list is. Why archive profanity when you can as easily elucidate your thoughts in `parliamentary' language and let everyone see for themselves what an intellectual and high-minded set of dudes and dudettes we are? ;) (That was a JOKE, ok?) Regards, -- Raju Amit REPEAT: Just a thought. Raju [snip] -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ It is the mind that moves To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org
Re: [ilugd]: X with i845
please tell em my linux is getting problem at 32 gb hdd tell me there is any option to boot it from the 98/ 2000 what is this supposed to be? In case you wan't to start a new post, just send a mail with a proper subject to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is not that difficult, and there are people around who can help ;) Ambar PS: Don't feel afraid to ask stupid questions, Most of us are quite eager to help anyone set up and adopt linux (via the mailing list) To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org
Re: [ilugd]: [draft] open letter to indian finance minister
I completely agree with the sentiment of the draft and at some levels agree with it as well but before doing that we have to look at the IT industry and it's complexities. What the IT industry in India is suffering not only from the drain caused by sale of `Commercial Software' but the fact that we do not produce our own software and have landed up being a service industry for the larger corporations. Microsoft and other companies which have primarily set up their branches over here to provide service support to their headoffices in other places won't get affected by this as they wouldn't mind paying the taxes propsoed to avail the benfitts of the cheaper and better labour force they can get over here. and secondly we have to really think who will get affected by it. The `lay person' who uses software uses the `pirated' version. not advocating whether it is good or bad it is a `huge' informal industry in itself. and the `lay person' gets his/her software from here. it is this economy, this sector which has led to the computerisation of almost everything, getting people acquainted with computer and technology. by imposing taxes this sector will be completely ruined and Microsoft and other companies which are already coming so strongly against `piracy' treating it under criminal jurisdiction will get a free hand to further persecute these people which will further help them establish their monopoly. and because we don't yet have vendors, assemblers in the markets who are working on software-hardware compatibilty on free software platform this will mean that we not only have to buy the `legal' obnoxiously expensive copy but also have to pay taxes on them. so through this draft who is going to benefitt and who is going to suffer: .the companies who have set up their service labs over here recuritting the Indian mind will not. they will pay the taxes and increase the rates of their services. the `end user' is going to suffer as their are not enough support available for Free software utilities and applications here. what we need we concentrate is on producing software from here rather. what are the people, communities who are involved in the same. who are the people who are working with software-hardware compatibility on free software platform in india. please let me know of one outside the community whom a `lay person; can contact to assemble the computer. what are people who know nothing about computers do if they have the source code and can't make what the hell it is. I am really committed to the cause of free software and see it as a potential tool to deal with technologies of tommorow and also it;s implications in other important cultural, social, legal fields but I also see the lacking in terms of what we have contributed to the society and community besides support. i really want people to think about it and then consider the same or in some other manner than this. On Friday 07 March 2003 03:52 pm, LinuxLingam wrote: [first draft: please submit your suggestions, changes. once a final draft is ready, will post it so those interested may sign or contribute their name to it. will then forward this to the indian finance minister and others in the government.] [cross-posted, and further cross-post, especially to other mailing lists, if required] *** Dear Sir, Re: Levy Excise Tax on All Commercial Software Sold in India. We, the undersigned, propose the Indian Government levy excise tax on all commercial software sold in India. Reasons: 1) Commercial software (C.S) is a big cash drain for both the Indian government and Indian corporates. 2) Almost all commercial software are non-free. This means, they do not give the end users the freedom i) to use the software for any purpose ii) to study the source code of the software iii) to make changes and improvements to the source code iv) to legally share copies of the software with their neighbours and colleagues. v) to pass on such freedom to those who further receive the software. 3) these freedoms are important for a developing, poor, country like India, where every citizen, organization, and state, dreams of harnessing the opportunities offered by IT. 4) these freedoms also significantly curtail strong anti-competitive behaviour in the software industry. 5) countries like China are moving away from non-free software to freedom-based software. India has no such significant, clearly-defined initiative in place for adopting freedom based software. 6) in the lack of such a clear initiative, commercial software vendors raise the stakes for both their competitors and for freedom based software. this further kills innovation in the industry. 7) a large and significant percentage of commercial software is usually sold as bundled, OEM software. end-users find they are *forced* to use such software, since their requests to buy machines with such software uninstalled is
Re: [ilugd]: Re: aussies raid major ISPs
OK, let me rephrase: the list is archived and the archives are searchable at Google and other engines. My basic rule of posting is: If one day I'm egosurfing for `Raj Mathur' for the benefit of my mother or my son, I wouldn't want the sort of content that makes me either blush or quickly close the window thrown back at me. Works for me, you can choose your own guidelines. hmm.. this is a good point. I have seen a lot of my posts on google's cache too. And the intresting thing is that the ilugd archives seem to get a decent page rank! Ambar To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org
Re: [ilugd]: Re: aussies raid major ISPs
If one day I'm egosurfing for `Raj Mathur' for the benefit of my mother or my son, I wouldn't want the sort of content that makes me either blush or quickly close the window thrown back at me. I am sure your mom and your son know you well enough by now my Friend... -prateek To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org
Re: [ilugd]: [draft] open letter to indian finance minister
On Friday 07 March 2003 03:52 pm, LinuxLingam wrote: 14) finally, as a statement of leadership and values, india must adopt freedom-based software that is being proposed to the UNICEF to be declared as a world-culture heritage. Cite? -- Sanjeev Gupta To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org
Re: [ilugd]: Re: aussies raid major ISPs
Ok so Raj, it is still not a mature list as a little humour of ur type is Ok and acceptable. Even though the voices which rise are completly acceptable, but when i was23 - 26 i would also think and voice in such a manner. humourSo anybody below 21 Do Not Read Such Mails; and such statments make lil one's below 21, to grow , 'grasp' the joke and laugh with the rest./humour Lets be a little more 'Free' in accepting others as we accept ourself. Nitin Chandra open to fire / flame??? PS Note:- Logic is given by ILLogic. Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Amit" == amit soni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>writes:Amit Just a thought, How many of us "really" want this list to beAmit a clean and no dirty words list ?I do, for one.Amit And how many of us dont really care about abusive, dblAmit meaning, dirty language in the list and instead would preferAmit ilugd to be a "speak what you want" kind of list.Amit PS: Important to know that even though on the mailinglistAmit all of us have kept the list clean. But during the linuxAmit meets, the attitude of the participants seems totallyAmit different.At the Meet you can see whom you're talking to. Then the language youuse is your choice. On the list, I don't know whether I'm talking toa 80-year-old grandmother or a 6-year-old boy from school. Hence Itry to keep my language ! to a basic standard which would be acceptableto both of them. Maybe I don't always succeed, but it's the thoughtthat counts, right? :)Secondly, spoken stuff at the Meets isn't archived for posterity,while the list is. Why archive profanity when you can as easilyelucidate your thoughts in `parliamentary' language and let everyonesee for themselves what an intellectual and high-minded set of dudesand dudettes we are? ;) (That was a JOKE, ok?)Regards,-- RajuDo you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more
[ilugd]: Help needed : Some basic queries
Hi, Problem 1) I am writing a script that will create user aliases for a mail accnt through a web-end interface using php for qmail . To create aliases in qmail I have to create a file in a qmail configuration directory . The problem is The write permission for that directory lies with the qmail user and a different user runs the webserver . I donot want to put them(qmail and webserver users ) in same grp either . So is there anyway in which I can do this job i.e su to diff user while running that portion of script etc . One solution is to write the files with web server user and then use cron job(root owned ) to cp these files to appropt directory . But the solution is messy I will be helpful if any cleaner solutionos stated Problem 2) I have to use NFS system where there will be two servers . One will be the master while other will just replicate the master . The problem I face is how can I control so that slave or master will always update each other even if there is a period in which operations are disconnected(btw master and slave) writing in anticipation Bye Tushar Shah __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org
[ilugd]: Bcc in Postfix
Hi guruz I have just configured Postfix in my RHL box and my requirement was to track outgoing mails from all the users in my company so i used always_bcc option in that and diverted all the mails to my another ID which i have configured in M$ outlook in Windows 2000. Now i am able to track all the mails, but now the problem is that users generally campaign and sends a single mail to 1000 of ppl by putting IDs in Bcc.Now as i can not view those names when the mail comes to me in M$ Outlook. So one option is that i can view those names by roaming around in Logs but thats bit hard.So if anyone of you can suggest me any alternative to view those IDs in Bcc that would be appreciating. Regards, Dhruv Network Engineer FCS Software Solution Ltd Noida-201301 Ph. +91-120-2583703 Xtn.123/276(IN) +1-866-388-3432 Xtn.334/345(US) -Original Message- From: shah tushar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ilugd]: Help needed : Some basic queries Hi, Problem 1) I am writing a script that will create user aliases for a mail accnt through a web-end interface using php for qmail . To create aliases in qmail I have to create a file in a qmail configuration directory . The problem is The write permission for that directory lies with the qmail user and a different user runs the webserver . I donot want to put them(qmail and webserver users ) in same grp either . So is there anyway in which I can do this job i.e su to diff user while running that portion of script etc . One solution is to write the files with web server user and then use cron job(root owned ) to cp these files to appropt directory . But the solution is messy I will be helpful if any cleaner solutionos stated Problem 2) I have to use NFS system where there will be two servers . One will be the master while other will just replicate the master . The problem I face is how can I control so that slave or master will always update each other even if there is a period in which operations are disconnected(btw master and slave) writing in anticipation Bye Tushar Shah __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org
[ilugd]: Unable to boot linux
in my pc i had win 98 and Red hat 7.0 installed with GRUB as a loader.Recently i installed win Xp which have deleted the GRUB loader.Now i am not able to boot in Linux . i donot have linux cd's nor the linux bootable disk.Is there any solution to it so i can boot linux.Can i create a bootdisk from other pc running linux .Please help thanks in advance Get Your Private, Free E-mail from Indiatimes at http://email.indiatimes.comBuy the best in Movies at http://www.videos.indiatimes.comBid for Air Tickets @ Re.1 on Air Sahara Flights. Just log on to http://airsahara.indiatimes.com and Bid Now !
[ilugd]: Oregon mulls open-source mandate
Oregon mulls open-source mandate March 6 ? Oregon could become the first state to require that open-source software be considered by its agencies as an alternative to any proprietary solution, if a bill introduced this week passes muster. THE OPEN SOURCE Software for Oregon Act would mandate that any state government agency consider open-source software for all new software acquisitions and make purchasing decisions based on a value-for-money basis. Moreover, under the act, state workers would have to avoid buying products that dont comply with open standards. Long term, my hope is we will get computer systems away from proprietary operating systems and towards open standards, said Phil Barnhart, the state representative who introduced the bill. The benefits are about maintaining privacy ... and access to open information on the Internet. Full story at: http://www.msnbc.com/news/881911.asp?0dm=T17IT#BODY -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ It is the mind that moves To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org
[ilugd]: Computerising 60,000 schools in India : Probably funding Microsoft.
Here is an initiative to computerise the schools by providing IT infrastructure and delivering good quality content. Shiksha India was recently provided 40 Cr by M$ and from this project alone M$ can gain about 1500 Cr if everything goes M$. Nice business strategy. The site www.shiksha.ernet.in is a pure M$ sell out. Any one willing to investigate? Regards Atul ===8==Original message text=== Dear Atul, I cannot recall interacting with you earlier. Can you please let me know what you are doing. The presentation is old one, things have changed since then Brief Note on Shiksha is as follows : India is a country where poverty often comes from lack of opportunities, which in turn is frequently caused by lack of good education, especially in rural areas. Shiksha India ,a non- profit organization supported by Confederation of Indian Industry(CII), has been formed with the prime intent to spread computer literacy and better quality of education across India. Shiksha India has been formally associated with the The Ministry of Communications and Information Technology (MCIT) to design and develop the National Educational Portal(www.shiksha.ernet.in http://www.shiksha.ernet.in/ ) for the project Vidya Vahini through which the Ministry aims to setup IT infrastructure and connect 60,000 schools across the country in 5 years. The pilot phase would cover 7 districts(150 Schools) across India in the first year. The portal would enable students and teachers across the nation to access good quality educational content in the public domain. Further it would help in disseminating important information on health, environment, nature etc. to students and the community. Shiksha aims to develop interactive educational lessons that can reach millions of children aged 14-18, at very low cost per capita. These lessons, with the help of the computer infrastructure that the Indian Government is installing, will help teachers, especially in poor areas, to inspire children and teach them basics of essential topics, such as those related to Mathematics and Sciences. 150 lessons, lasting half hour each, are planned to be distributed to at least 2500 schools from day one, and reach around 30 million students in 5 years across the country. Thanks and Regards Anurag Mehra Project Offcier Shiksha India India Habitat Cente,CII Core 4A,4th Floor, Lodi Road New Delhi-110003 Tel : 24682230-35 -Original Message- From: Atul Asthana @ Home [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 3/7/2003 8:03 AM To: shikshaindia Cc: anurag vibhuti Subject: Re[2]: what is your web site Dear Anurag, I had seen a presentation of ShikshaIndia on plan to computerise 6 schools of India. What happened? Regards, Atul mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Friday, March 07, 2003 A lost battle is a battle one thinks one has lost.- Ferdinand Foch Thursday, March 6, 2003, 3:15:53 PM, you wrote: s Hi, s The poratal address is www.shiksha.ernet.in s Shiksha is now involved in develping CD based curriculum content and put in the public domain. s Thanks and Regards s Anurag Mehra s Project Offcier s Shiksha India s India Habitat Cente,CII s Core 4A,4th Floor, Lodi Road s New Delhi-110003 s Tel : 24682230-35 s -Original Message- s From: Atul Asthana @ Home [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] s Sent: Fri 2/21/2003 10:33 PM s To: shikshaindia s Cc: s Subject: what is your web site s Dear Sir/Madam, s whats happening to the plan to computerise schools?? s Regards, s Atul s mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] s Friday, February 21, 2003 s Adversity attracts the man of character. s He seeks out the better joy, responsibility. Charles de Gaulle ===8===End of original message text=== To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org
[ilugd]: Here is what Microsoft says about Shiksha India. if we dont start combating this now, the next generation will not know about Linux or FLOSS.
Dear Friends, http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2002/Nov02/11-12IndiaPR.asp Project Shiksha, aims to accelerate computer literacy by providing an end to end solution which includes software solutions, comprehensive training for teachers and students, IT curriculum development, and scholarships for teachers and students across India. Over 80,000 school teachers and 3.5 million students across government schools will have an opportunity to strengthen their IT proficiency via the initiative over the next five years. Microsoft plans to set up 10 Microsoft IT Academy Centres in partnership with state education departments in addition to collaborating with over 2000 partner-driven school labs. Microsoft will also be sponsoring teacher and student scholarships to recognize teachers committed to delivering effective IT education, and students for driving innovation through technology. As a part of its commitment to this initiative, Microsoft will set up a dedicated team to focus on this effort. Best regards, Arjun [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org
[ilugd]: where can I get a Linux logo T-shirt (in India please)?
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Re: [ilugd]: [draft] open letter to indian finance minister
On Friday 07 March 2003 07:21 pm, you wrote: An Opinion :- first of all, an excellent response from tarun dua on the draft. looking forward to more intense discussions on this topic by others in linux-delhi. eager to see to what this churning leads. short and quick responses to tarun's insights: [snip] The tax concessions on Commercial Software will hurt free software sellers as well. how?? The bureaucrats who do not understand a thing about what is FLOSS/Freedom/OSS and the like will make a mess.I trust them with that. IMHO FLOSS is beyond any mess that any bureaucrat, government, or corporate can make. the only mess that happens in the FLOSS world, happens from *within* the FLOSS community. it is quite immune and insular to the *outside* world. which is why it is so successful despite governments, despite ruthless corporates, and despite no understanding or awareness of it in the outside world, which is quite paradoxical. why? becuase the FLOSS model is of the cathedral and the bazaar. [snip] Asking the government funds for FLOSS will kill FLOSS, why ?? i) We do not want some politician's son/daughter would be the maintainer for India specific FLOSS projects. the greatness of the cathedral and bazaar model, is that despite even such a horrendous scenario, the madness of the model will ensure its success. people will fork, people will work, FLOSS *ensures* meritocracy, and the bureaucracy despite any thing cannot change that fundamental truth. let them try. i'd love to see them fall. ii) We do not want FLOSS project grants to be given away to the hopelessly inefficient govt. of India Research and Development Centers and siphoned off from there to I don't know where. i propose the government creates FLOSS projects hosted on savannah, sarovar, attracting intelligent minds. incidentally, the real reason to tax, is to discourage OEM bundling, and to level the playing ground for those who are thus barred from competing, especially FLOSS. taxing also will have a similar impact on off-the-shelf commercial non-free software. plus, given the taxation, people may want to actively explore FLOSS. And FLOSS is not, and can not be owned by the INdian government. No government, no organisation, can own freedom-based software. everybody owns freedom-based software. if you understand this, you will realize the indian government can only support its creation and no matter how inept it may be, the process will create something of high-quality towards world culture heritage. iii) Govt. of India is a collection of vested Interests influenced by unscrupulous businesses and what not aren't some of those businesses probably some of these commercial, non-free software companies? won't asking the government to tax them dilute this vested interest? all the more reason, i think. what do others at linux-delhi think? [snip] How does the government define Commercial. FLOSS doesn't mean free as in Beer but Free as in Freedom. i know this is controversial, but even taxing FLOSS sold for a price will work. again, it emphasizes to people they can get free-of-price FLOSS if they wish. and if they are willing to pay a price, then the government taxes to further use that money for accelerated development and adoption. by the way, FLOSS when sold for a price is usually inexpensive. do note that when some FLOSS-driven sale is huge in price, it means lurking within the soup must be some non-free software besides, providing services such as training, consulting, etc., even on Free and freedom-based software, is gonna attract a service tax, according to the new budget proposal. [snip] So noble who are we to decide about the best interests of all Indian Corporates and Government Give them Freedom to Choose thats where our role ends. They are Free Not to be Free if they desire so. Wrong. They cannot be free even when they want to be, thanks to the tight grip of non-free software. taxing discourages that grip, accelerates adoption and development of freedom-based software, and gives people a level-playing ground to *really* choose between being free and not being free, if they desire. 2) Almost all commercial software are non-free. This means, they do not [snip] i make a strong distinction between mere open-source' software, and freedom-based software. when a software guarantees *all* the freedoms mentioned earlier, it is freedom-based. We are a democratic country not a free country, do not harbor any illusions (period) agreed. i wish to ensure we remain a democratic country which is not under the tyranny of strong, powerful, non-free software business interests. we are gradually losing the right to vote for freedom-based software even in schools, for instance. democracy is of the people, by the people, for the people. simiarly, freedom-based software is of the people, by the people, for the people. i see no
RE: [ilugd]: where can I get a Linux logo T-shirt (in India please)?
I would also like to know that. Regards, Dhruv [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Arjun [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 12:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ilugd]: where can I get a Linux logo T-shirt (in India please)? Dear , Best regards, Arjun [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org
Re: [ilugd]: yipee: bootCD plays video+films+music called Movix2
Ghane == Sanjeev Gupta Sanjeev writes: Ghane Raj Mathur wrote: Actually I have Debian Woody 3.0r1 7-CD set here, thanks to Supreet and IIT who provided the bandwidth. I'll check out how one can get updates (there're tons available). Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a simple way to take (say) Woody Jan 2003 CDs, download only updates and make Woody March 2003 CDs. Ghane http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/Debian-Jigdo/updatingyourimage.html Ghane On a Debian machine (or any other Linux/Win), run Ghane jigdo-lite, and feed it the CDs you have. It will download Ghane only the changed files, and create an .iso. Ah, yes I tried that but it just gets patched packages for the older distribution, not upgraded packages for the latest distribution. Maybe I was doing something wrong, let me try again... Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ It is the mind that moves To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org
[ilugd]: [Fwd: New project - Robotics Simulation using CrystalSpace 3D]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Title: Robotics Simulation using CrystalSpace 3D Description: Hi People.. This project is but the first step of a VERY ambitious project which is going to incorporate GNU/GPL/LGPL implementations of some of the 'most' bleeding edge technologies available today. These include Realtime 3D Graphics, Natural Language Processing, and Speech Natural interactions. Due to the complexity of the project, I have decided to break it down into manageable modules. To get started, check out : http://crystal.sourceforge.net and after a week, http://viksit.tripod.com for further details. You can also contact me by email. Thanks. Viksit Gaur -- This email is brought to you by http://www.linux-delhi.org/ To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org
Re: [ilugd]: where can I get a Linux logo T-shirt (in India please)?
me too !! - Original Message - From: Dhruv Soi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Arjun' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 2:32 AM Subject: RE: [ilugd]: where can I get a Linux logo T-shirt (in India please)? : I would also like to know that. : : Regards, : Dhruv : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : -Original Message- : From: Arjun [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 12:17 AM : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: [ilugd]: where can I get a Linux logo T-shirt (in India : please)? : : : Dear , : : : : Best regards, : Arjun : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : : To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in : subject header. Check archives at : http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org : : : : To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org : To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org
Re: [ilugd]: [draft] open letter to indian finance minister
Great effort. Needs to be lauded and supported. Comments/additions inline. However, lets keep two issues of taxation and FLOSS separate. It may confuse the issue and may be too much for the babus to comprehend. I did get a reply for my mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] on issuing various smartcard based identity cards and their inter-operability. Got a very no-brainer reply from one of the babus handling this mail id. So its important to ensure that the message reaches the right person. I've sent mails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] on: (a) the security risks in using M$ software and use of open source software by govt. (b) adopting open source software development methodology to develop software for govt use (specially e-government). Related but not relevant to this letter : I've been trying to find if there is a law preventing forcing buyers to buy bundled items (as Window$ with a PC). I guess, there is one thats why all the whitegoods/FMCG bundled offers state that the item is also available without the bundled stuff. If we can find the regulation/law, the case is won (partially). Is any one on this list from a whitegoods/FMCG company and can ask his/her legal dept to locate the relevant law/regulation? Best regards, Atul [EMAIL PROTECTED] °° Friday, March 7, 2003, 3:52:28 PM, you wrote: L [first draft: please submit your suggestions, changes. once a final draft is L ready, will post it so those interested may sign or contribute their name to L it. will then forward this to the indian finance minister and others in the L government.] L [cross-posted, L and further cross-post, especially to other mailing lists, if required] L *** L Dear Sir, L Re: Levy Excise Tax on All Commercial Software Sold in India. L We, the undersigned, propose the Indian Government levy excise tax on all L commercial software sold in India. Reasons: L 1) Commercial software (C.S) is a big cash drain for both the Indian L government and Indian corporates. And the money goes out of India. Also the cost of development in most cases has been long recovered and the present physical cost of the product is very low (only CD and copying, manuals if any, covers and shipping), thus the commercial software vendors now earn a huge profit. With a commercial software, we are tied down to using only this proprietary software or its later releases (at considerable expense). This makes it a money spinning business. The vendor's risk is minimal(EULA). In some cases (M$) the warranty is limited to replacement of media. There is no support, no guaranties, no assurances of intended purpose, no uptime guarantees. So the vendor does not spend anything after selling the software making it the highest profit business. L 2) Almost all commercial software are non-free. This means, they do L not give the end users the freedom L i) to use the software for any purpose Not understood/context may please be added. L ii) to study the source code of the software L iii) to make changes and improvements to the source code L iv) to legally share copies of the software with their neighbours and colleagues. L v) to pass on such freedom to those who further receive the software. L 3) these freedoms are important for a developing, poor, country like India, L where every citizen, organization, and state, dreams of harnessing the L opportunities offered by IT. L 4) these freedoms also significantly curtail strong anti-competitive L behaviour in the software industry. L 5) countries like China are moving away from non-free software to L freedom-based software. India has no such significant, clearly-defined L initiative in place for adopting freedom based software. And Peru, Japan, South Africa included (and MP, Kerala too) L 6) in the lack of such a clear initiative, commercial software vendors raise L the stakes for both their competitors and for freedom based software. this L further kills innovation in the industry. L 7) a large and significant percentage of commercial software is usually sold L as bundled, OEM software. end-users find they are *forced* to use such L software, since their requests to buy machines with such software uninstalled L is usually turned down. L 8) indian customers usually find their *only* option is to buy the computer L with the bundled software, then carefully disagree the end user license L agreement (eula) of the bundled software preferably in front of witnesses, L then contact the OEM software vendor independently and press for a refund. L this is clearly anti-competitive. and the computer is perceived in cost as L (hardware+OEM software as One). L 9) Commercial software companies are usually quite rich. Not taxing them L allows them to hoard their wealth even more and give them more implicit power L to quash their competition in commercial software and in
[ilugd]: Queries reg GNU/Linux
Hi folks, What is meant by the terminology in subject ? pl. guide Malkiat
RE: [ilugd]: where can I get a Linux logo T-shirt (in India please)?
try www.gtcdrom.com thats the 'linux' superstore in india. i think they have an outlet at bangalore.. apart from T-Shirts , they've got some very cool TUX dolls and badges! :) -- vIkSiT = viksit gaur http://viksit.tripod.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux. The choice of a GNU generation. I tried sniffing coke once, but the ice cubes seemed to get in the way... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe in subject header. Check archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd%40wpaa.org
