Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list
-Original Message- From: Bruno Lowagie [mailto:br...@lowagie.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 2:43 AM To: Post all your questions about iText here Subject: Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list Op 8/10/2012 17:02, McGee, Edwin F. Sr. schreef: I would agree with those wishing to keep the mailing list open and selectively responding/posting the questions which meet mailing list criteria. I see many +1's for answers in favor of keeping the mailing list. I'm an autist, and one of my limitations is that I can't stand an unanswered question (even if it's a rhetorical one). Maybe we should think of a pre-canned answer that isn't offensive. A one-answer-fits-many-questions solution for the questions that should be posted on another forum (such as stackoverflow). Working primarily in c# (well, really primarily in vb.net), I find the list invaluable for giving me insights into iText that I wouldn't necessarily think about, by reading others' questions and solutions. My primary work does not usually involve iText, or PDF manipulation, but when I do need to use iText, I greatly value the mailing list...here's why: I've purchased the book, and while it is helpful and well-written, it follows a story to illustrate the functionality of the library that doesn't always fit my current need. I have worked through the examples in about 2/3 of the book, but it is much easier to ask questions on the list and receive a 1-sentence answer to point me in the right direction. I don't mind being flamed or told to RTFM, if I get lazy and ask for help before trying to puzzle out the answer first. The mailing list is full of people that have already solved a specific implementation issue and are happy to push me in the right direction, for which I am eternally grateful :) I keep an internal archive of the list, following along and deleting out everything but the relevant answers to questions and explanations of functionality, so I can quickly search for answers before posting a redundant question. This filtered archive saves me a great deal of time over googling, where many SERPs lead to unanswered questions (or poorly answered questions) on SO and elsewhere. I share Mr. Lowagie's frustration with endlessly repeated, inappropriate questions. I would love to see this list fully moderated, so only relevant/appropriate questions appear, but I understand that this puts more work on the developers/moderators and am content with self-moderating my archive. I could live with an auto-reply to every post containing a how-to-ask-a-question section (ideally one could turn it off after joining the list), that would explain to the truly clueless why their questions are going unanswered. I'm not sure if that functionality exists in Mailman. Someone made the point earlier that you shouldn't ask a question unless you know 2/3 of the answer (or words to that effect)...deafening silence is a strong motivator to go back and ask the question a different way, as long as you understand that it's not being answered for a reason. -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php
Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list
I'll support whatever you decide to do. I bought both books, paid for the license and have used premium support. The product is wonderful and so long as there's a medium to ask and answer questions, I'll be happy. Personally, I'd support SO as I'm in there all the time anyway...and that would allow for better usability I don't think you'd be wrong to say anything beyond SO would require paid support. I do think SO is more Q/A designed and won't work for a general discussion about a specific topic (closed as not a question). Not sure how/if you solve that issue. Jason -Original Message- From: Bruno Lowagie [mailto:br...@lowagie.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 2:43 AM To: Post all your questions about iText here Subject: Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list Op 8/10/2012 17:02, McGee, Edwin F. Sr. schreef: I would agree with those wishing to keep the mailing list open and selectively responding/posting the questions which meet mailing list criteria. I see many +1's for answers in favor of keeping the mailing list. I'm an autist, and one of my limitations is that I can't stand an unanswered question (even if it's a rhetorical one). Maybe we should think of a pre-canned answer that isn't offensive. A one-answer-fits-many-questions solution for the questions that should be posted on another forum (such as stackoverflow). -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php This is a transmission from Purdue Federal Credit Union (Purdue Federal) and is intended solely for its authorized recipient(s), and may contain information that is confidential and or legally privileged. If you are not an addressee, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering it to an addressee, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, publication or copying of the information contained in this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us by telephoning (765)497-3328 or returning the email. You are then instructed to delete the information from your computer. Thank you for your cooperation. -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php
Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list
Op 8/10/2012 19:06, linuxunil schreef: I personally am against the monetization of the library and forum. You can not change the philosophy of a project like this. I agree. Documentation should be free. That's why I decided to write the new tutorials without a publisher. I also don't like the idea of a paid mailing-list. I've been suggested to set one up in the past, but I see too many practical problems. -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php
Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list
Op 9/10/2012 4:22, Gershkovich, Peter schreef: Do what you feel is right. I'm pleasantly surprised by the reactions on my rant. I've read some really good suggestions. -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php
Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list
Op 8/10/2012 17:48, Alex Jones schreef: a traditional forum A traditional forum involves more administrative work than a mailing list. The mailing list: I need to look at the mails that are put on hold, and then filter those that are SPAM: see http://lowagie.com/itextml Most problematic are the mails that are sent through Nabble from people who aren't registered on the official mailing-list: http://lowagie.com/nabble A forum: I have set up several forums in the past. It just doesn't work if you don't have a battery of administrators. On my blog lowagie.com, I had to close the possibility to register: http://lowagie.com/register I would manually approve people every couple of days, and then discover that the only intention of those people was to post SPAM. A good solution, is to work with a serial number. On the book forum, accounts from people trying to register on the iText forum are automatically thrown away if they don't have the serial number. The number of mails I get about failed registration attempts is huge: http://lowagie.com/node/217 But then there's the most crucial problem: a forum doesn't work, because people have to actually visit it to see questions. A free forum for iText would only work in theory. In practice, only I would be answering questions (which is the case now with the book support forum). The only alternative is to pay people to answer questions on the forum. I already do that: we have a ticketing system, but it's only available for paying customers. -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php
Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list
Op 8/10/2012 17:02, McGee, Edwin F. Sr. schreef: I would agree with those wishing to keep the mailing list open and selectively responding/posting the questions which meet mailing list criteria. I see many +1's for answers in favor of keeping the mailing list. I'm an autist, and one of my limitations is that I can't stand an unanswered question (even if it's a rhetorical one). Maybe we should think of a pre-canned answer that isn't offensive. A one-answer-fits-many-questions solution for the questions that should be posted on another forum (such as stackoverflow). -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php
Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list
I think this is exactly what is needed. We all see these questions that frustrate you. I don't think anyone would take issue with the canned answer scenario. I would truly miss the list, I listen everyday and answer when there is a question that fits my expertise (which is rare, true, but does happen). Just my $0.02 -Bill Ensley www.bearprinting.com On 10/8/2012 11:43 PM, Bruno Lowagie wrote: Maybe we should think of a pre-canned answer that isn't offensive. A one-answer-fits-many-questions solution for the questions that should be posted on another forum (such as stackoverflow) -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php
Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list
I think it would be a shame to shut down the list. I found it to be one of the most valuable resources when I was initially tinkering with iText for my company, and now we have it embedded into our infrastructure. The book is good, but sometimes you simply were not sure what you were looking for, and the mailing list gave a way forward. Especially given we had previously used a VERY out of date version of iText and we were trying to update that as well as write new code. If it does shut-down I can only say thank you for the free technical help for when we started out (but now we are licensed from you guys :-) ), and just know that the live support from you and other developers/users was one of the reasons we chose iText as our main PDF generation product. Matthew -Original Message- From: Bruno Lowagie [mailto:br...@lowagie.com] Sent: 09 October 2012 07:43 To: Post all your questions about iText here Subject: Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list Op 8/10/2012 17:02, McGee, Edwin F. Sr. schreef: I would agree with those wishing to keep the mailing list open and selectively responding/posting the questions which meet mailing list criteria. I see many +1's for answers in favor of keeping the mailing list. I'm an autist, and one of my limitations is that I can't stand an unanswered question (even if it's a rhetorical one). Maybe we should think of a pre-canned answer that isn't offensive. A one-answer-fits-many-questions solution for the questions that should be posted on another forum (such as stackoverflow). -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php Land Registry's House Price Index is now live. www.landregistry.gov.uk If you have received this e-mail and it was not intended for you, please let us know, and then delete it. Please treat our communications in confidence, as you would expect us to treat yours. Land Registry checks all mail and attachments for known viruses, however, you are advised that you open any attachments at your own risk. The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet virus scanning service supplied by CableWireless Worldwide in partnership with MessageLabs. (CCTM Certificate Number 2009/09/0052.) On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus free. Communications via the GSi may be automatically logged, monitored and/or recorded for legal purposes. -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php
Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list
I would also like to keep the list running, but I understand all the frustrations. But these types of questions will not go away entirely. Stackoverflow has a way of dealing with them, but I have always found the list useful as I am more likely to read a post form the list and if it is answered with something I think I'll use grabbing it and keeping the answer. If you wanted, I'd be willing to volunteer to help out sort through all those messages. And as for the question of what to say for those who post a question and it goes unanswered how about something like: Tell us what you have done and tell us where you have researched to find the answer already. Cheers, Brian Brian Moore Application Developer 1245 Bridgestone Blvd LaVergne, TN 37086 (615) 259-5840 - Direct From: John Renfrew r...@btclick.com To: 'Post all your questions about iText here' itext-questions@lists.sourceforge.net, Date: 10/08/2012 04:25 AM Subject:Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list Personally. I would prefer the mailing list, but I FULLY understand your frustration with 'stupid' questions, but your stance of 'why are you asking ME to do your work for you for free' is completely valid. snip john renfrew Right Way Up Office +44 1675 475341 snip ___ image/jpeg-- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php
Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list
Well, I read the list on a regular basis. I work for a company that has a support contract with iText but since my use case isn't covered by that, I am on my own. I've used iText to create a few PDF Utilities that help me in my day to day job. I learnt how to use the library by searching, reading and experimenting. I've made a few mistakes and some of my code snippets never worked but I kept at it. Since I knew a fair bit about PDF that has helped. I work by the saying Contribute nothing - Expect nothing in return, I feel sorry for all those people who write into the list with a Do my homework for me - for free. One day I will buy that book. I would like the list to remain but can fully understand the idea of moving it to SO. ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php
Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list
Personally. I would prefer the mailing list, but I FULLY understand your frustration with 'stupid' questions, but your stance of 'why are you asking ME to do your work for you for free' is completely valid. But then what about those of us who use iText and keep our work open? Some of us are not in a position to be developing (and paying) in the same way as big companies but still both need a little support every now and then and also a place to make suggestions. The licence costs are not transparent so some of us have no idea if it would be better to pay you and get an even higher level of support. As someone who has seen two (minor) additions to the library because of suggestions and some changes to the website and documentation - there is something much more immediate about the mailing list which I love. S.O. might have archives etc but I still need to go to it search, and then keep searching each time I go to see if questions that interest me or help me learn have more threads. I develop under Groovy so am always looking to adapt and simplify the code from 'pure' Java. So, what about a closed (with nominal payment) list to those who prove they can ask sensible questions? The answer I got from Leonard last week was short, simple, helped me enormously - but had it been asked on S.O. would he have a: found it? b: been able or inclined to answer so easily and so quickly? I do think that a big FAT read this first page explaining that ye olde versions before xxx are not supported, and with a list of iText will NOT do this, and you WILL need to read this and that documentation first is still lacking. Maybe instead of even engaging with anyone who still is trying to use examples from 2.1.7 is fruitless and you answer to them should just be a link to this page? john renfrew Right Way Up Office +44 1675 475341 -Original Message- From: Bruno Lowagie [mailto:br...@lowagie.com] Sent: 06 October 2012 10:02 To: Post all your questions about iText here Subject: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list Hello all, I have written a blog about one of my major frustrations: the free iText mailing-list. See http://lowagie.com/stackoverflow We have almost 2,500 subscribers on iText-questions. I'd like to hear your opinion. In public. On this list (as long as it's open). best regards, Bruno Lowagie -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php
Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list
I would agree with those wishing to keep the mailing list open and selectively responding/posting the questions which meet mailing list criteria. As mentioned by another member of the mailing list, simply because I submit a question doesn't mean the question will be posted. Furthermore, I understand that it may not even be answered. When I did receive responses to my questions they were generally very helpful directing me toward a solution. I have observed less than helpful responses to questions that should never have made it to the list. I can also understand the frustration associated with members requesting immediate answers to their solutions with little or no effort on their part (e.g. reading the book(s) and/or searching the archives and examples). Of all the lists I belong to, this is the one I read daily and contribute when I can. I've been known to ask a few questions too and very much appreciate the assistance I have received. I would be disappointed if this mailing list was no more. winmail.dat-- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php
Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list
+1 On 10/8/2012 8:02 AM, McGee, Edwin F. Sr. wrote: I would agree with those wishing to keep the mailing list open and selectively responding/posting the questions which meet mailing list criteria. As mentioned by another member of the mailing list, simply because I submit a question doesn't mean the question will be posted. Furthermore, I understand that it may not even be answered. When I did receive responses to my questions they were generally very helpful directing me toward a solution. I have observed less than helpful responses to questions that should never have made it to the list. I can also understand the frustration associated with members requesting immediate answers to their solutions with little or no effort on their part (e.g. reading the book(s) and/or searching the archives and examples). Of all the lists I belong to, this is the one I read daily and contribute when I can. I've been known to ask a few questions too and very much appreciate the assistance I have received. I would be disappointed if this mailing list was no more. -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php
Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list
I've recently joined the mailing list and I found it to be invaluable, the only reason I found it so useful is that there aren't any decent official forums. You need to purchase the book and then each of the forum sections are chapters in the book, I appreciate the need to monetize the library and the need for a code so that the spam bots don't hassle the forum, I like the idea of using stackoverflow as a halfway house, but personally I would prefer a traditional forum format for iText. On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:15 AM, John Renfrew r...@btclick.com wrote: Personally. I would prefer the mailing list, but I FULLY understand your frustration with 'stupid' questions, but your stance of 'why are you asking ME to do your work for you for free' is completely valid. But then what about those of us who use iText and keep our work open? Some of us are not in a position to be developing (and paying) in the same way as big companies but still both need a little support every now and then and also a place to make suggestions. The licence costs are not transparent so some of us have no idea if it would be better to pay you and get an even higher level of support. As someone who has seen two (minor) additions to the library because of suggestions and some changes to the website and documentation - there is something much more immediate about the mailing list which I love. S.O. might have archives etc but I still need to go to it search, and then keep searching each time I go to see if questions that interest me or help me learn have more threads. I develop under Groovy so am always looking to adapt and simplify the code from 'pure' Java. So, what about a closed (with nominal payment) list to those who prove they can ask sensible questions? The answer I got from Leonard last week was short, simple, helped me enormously - but had it been asked on S.O. would he have a: found it? b: been able or inclined to answer so easily and so quickly? I do think that a big FAT read this first page explaining that ye olde versions before xxx are not supported, and with a list of iText will NOT do this, and you WILL need to read this and that documentation first is still lacking. Maybe instead of even engaging with anyone who still is trying to use examples from 2.1.7 is fruitless and you answer to them should just be a link to this page? john renfrew Right Way Up Office +44 1675 475341 -Original Message- From: Bruno Lowagie [mailto:br...@lowagie.com] Sent: 06 October 2012 10:02 To: Post all your questions about iText here Subject: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list Hello all, I have written a blog about one of my major frustrations: the free iText mailing-list. See http://lowagie.com/stackoverflow We have almost 2,500 subscribers on iText-questions. I'd like to hear your opinion. In public. On this list (as long as it's open). best regards, Bruno Lowagie -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today
Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list
Bruno, Do what you feel is right. In my opinion, with your book an other resources available there is very little one need to ask in order to get going. Robert Sheckley wrote in one of his short stories that in order to ask a question you need to know most of the answer. There should be a disclaimer of that nature perhaps.. Please know that iText is great and worked for us for the last 8 years. Hope you will keep it going. Thanks, Peter On Oct 6, 2012, at 4:01 AM, Bruno Lowagie wrote: Hello all, I have written a blog about one of my major frustrations: the free iText mailing-list. See http://lowagie.com/stackoverflow We have almost 2,500 subscribers on iText-questions. I'd like to hear your opinion. In public. On this list (as long as it's open). best regards, Bruno Lowagie -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php
Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list
On 6/10/2012 23:00, Alekz ! wrote: My only advise is: Don't let a bunch of lazy/ignorants ruin your day. That's easier said than done ;-) Maybe letting a colleague answer them is a better choice. We started doing this. As the company grows, I'm hiring more people. -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php
Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list
On 7/10/2012 1:58, Kevin Day wrote: Maybe when people find bugs or enhancement requests we start to really encourage them to create tickets? I don't really like the ticketing system on SourceForge. I don't like the SourceForge upgrade in general. For paying customers, we use JIRA as ticketing system. That works very well. However: every time it comes to a vote whether or not to open our JIRA ticketing system for free-riders, a majority of the voters says no for many different reasons. One reason: paying customers are asked to register 3 to 5 e-mails in our ticketing system. Only those people can post a question. However: many companies forget to register the people eligible for support (even when we ask them multiple times). All the requests from people that aren't know to our ticketing system are put on hold, and need to be verified manually. It would be hell if we opened up the ticketing system for the world because it would be even harder to find who paid for support and who didn't. More than once I've answered a question on this free mailing-list in words similar to are you really stupid or are you just kidding me (you guys know my style). A while later I received an angry mail from the sales people saying: that was a paying customer! Now we have to explain why he got an inappropriate response. In my defense I always say: if it was a paying customer, why didn't he use the ticketing system? That defense is countered by: you should always be nice to people. I KNOW that I should be nicer to people, but... it should go both ways. For instance: people should threaten to sue me if I can't remove their own mail from the archives (see one of the previous answers). -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php
Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list
So, you are gonna move the support of iText from the mailing list to StackOverflow? That's a better place for sharing and searching questions-and-answers. Previously I've contributed the 2GB+ Support fix to iText, by posting messages in both this mail-list and the bug system in SF.net. Will the gate to contribution remain open when the support is switched to StackOverflow? From: Bruno Lowagie br...@lowagie.com To: Post all your questions about iText here itext-questions@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:01 PM Subject: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list Hello all, I have written a blog about one of my major frustrations: the free iText mailing-list. See http://lowagie.com/stackoverflow We have almost 2,500 subscribers on iText-questions. I'd like to hear your opinion. In public. On this list (as long as it's open). best regards, Bruno Lowagie -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php
Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list
On 7/10/2012 10:46, WMJ wrote: Will the gate to contribution remain open when the support is switched to StackOverflow? Contributions by customers are done through JIRA. Contributions by users are always discussed publicly first, it doesn't really matter where they are discussed. Code is always sent to somebody at iText, and code is only accepted if there's a signed CLA. -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php
Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list
I support your feels. I participate little in maling list, because in most cases I got the solutions reading others or searching. Of course in the book iText in Action. The 80% of questions are already asked and responded or are explained very well in the book. Most of the questions demonstrates that people didn't search or didn't read. The are People that didn't make an effort. And yes, the reaction when you or other claims to read the book or to search best was insulting. So I think if this public list disappear, and the people will be redirect to stackoverflow, when the users of StackOverflow will correct and will punish bad questions and bad human behavior, this would be great to the itex community, and best for you and the developers because you invest time only in who really need it, not in this kind of people that demonstrated haven't interest in learning and resolving the problems. In most cases, this people only wants the others make his work given they code. 2012/10/6 Bruno Lowagie br...@lowagie.com Hello all, I have written a blog about one of my major frustrations: the free iText mailing-list. See http://lowagie.com/stackoverflow We have almost 2,500 subscribers on iText-questions. I'd like to hear your opinion. In public. On this list (as long as it's open). best regards, Bruno Lowagie -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php -- http://stackoverflow.com/users/690958/alberto-leon -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php
Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list
+1 for Stackoverflow, I found the answer I was looking for here in the mail list, and a bug was fixed then, but Stackoverflow sounds good enough to help with colaboration. Finally, a mailing list has always been the lab for growing ideas and working on them, so I suggest to keep the mail list not to answer how to solve this task questions but to develop new ideas and improve old ones. Regards, Jose 2012/10/6 Alberto León leontis...@gmail.com I support your feels. I participate little in maling list, because in most cases I got the solutions reading others or searching. Of course in the book iText in Action. The 80% of questions are already asked and responded or are explained very well in the book. Most of the questions demonstrates that people didn't search or didn't read. The are People that didn't make an effort. And yes, the reaction when you or other claims to read the book or to search best was insulting. So I think if this public list disappear, and the people will be redirect to stackoverflow, when the users of StackOverflow will correct and will punish bad questions and bad human behavior, this would be great to the itex community, and best for you and the developers because you invest time only in who really need it, not in this kind of people that demonstrated haven't interest in learning and resolving the problems. In most cases, this people only wants the others make his work given they code. 2012/10/6 Bruno Lowagie br...@lowagie.com Hello all, I have written a blog about one of my major frustrations: the free iText mailing-list. See http://lowagie.com/stackoverflow We have almost 2,500 subscribers on iText-questions. I'd like to hear your opinion. In public. On this list (as long as it's open). best regards, Bruno Lowagie -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php -- http://stackoverflow.com/users/690958/alberto-leon -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php -- Saludos cordiales, José Bonilla (+593) 95031497 -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php
Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list
Bruno, I agree with Leon's point of view. But I think maybe you should participate more from the user side instead of the developer side. What I mean with this? When a stupid question is posted, you'd be like any other user. I bet lots of us just let those questions pass unnoticed, like nothing happened. I sometimes delete them upon reading the first sentence . On the other hand, when a challenging/good question is posted, answer it as the tool's developer you are (no pression here =]). For me it's quite clear that a mailing list is not an obligation-to-respond from you, but a plus to the iText tool. I learnt a lot from just reading yours and others answers, but never expected that anyone's questions SHOULD be answered. I think of this list as a community, not as a free support forum, and hope that many of us think like me. I would like the mailing list to remain opened, since it's focused on iText. I don't surf stackoverflow for pdf questions, that would be a burden for me. My only advise is: Don't let a bunch of lazy/ignorants ruin your day. World is full of people like that, that need an answer for yesterday, that pay no support, that don't contribute in any way and even worse, that don't have a polite way of asking. Maybe letting a colleague answer them is a better choice. Regards,Alex Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 12:14:29 +0200 From: leontis...@gmail.com To: itext-questions@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list I support your feels. I participate little in maling list, because in most cases I got the solutions reading others or searching. Of course in the book iText in Action. The 80% of questions are already asked and responded or are explained very well in the book. Most of the questions demonstrates that people didn't search or didn't read. The are People that didn't make an effort. And yes, the reaction when you or other claims to read the book or to search best was insulting. So I think if this public list disappear, and the people will be redirect to stackoverflow, when the users of StackOverflow will correct and will punish bad questions and bad human behavior, this would be great to the itex community, and best for you and the developers because you invest time only in who really need it, not in this kind of people that demonstrated haven't interest in learning and resolving the problems. In most cases, this people only wants the others make his work given they code. 2012/10/6 Bruno Lowagie br...@lowagie.com Hello all, I have written a blog about one of my major frustrations: the free iText mailing-list. See http://lowagie.com/stackoverflow We have almost 2,500 subscribers on iText-questions. I'd like to hear your opinion. In public. On this list (as long as it's open). best regards, Bruno Lowagie -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php -- http://stackoverflow.com/users/690958/alberto-leon -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd
Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list
+1 on moving to stackoverflow The data is structured, tagged, more easily searched and read, and more people will participate and be exposed to iText. Also remember it is acceptable on SO to ask then answer your own questions. So you could make a sort of FAQ there if you wanted. On Saturday, October 6, 2012, Bruno Lowagie wrote: Hello all, I have written a blog about one of my major frustrations: the free iText mailing-list. See http://lowagie.com/stackoverflow We have almost 2,500 subscribers on iText-questions. I'd like to hear your opinion. In public. On this list (as long as it's open). best regards, Bruno Lowagie -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net javascript:; https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php
Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list
How about setting up a real forum using something like SMF (simple machines.org). You can Institute a kamra system and see how many posts each person has made plus you would have complete control of the site. I used to contribute a ton of time coding over there and would be willing to help set it up if needed. On Oct 6, 2012 4:58 PM, Kevin Day ke...@trumpetinc.com wrote: +1 for stackoverflow. My only reservation is that I don't spend a huge amount of time on SO I check it once every couple of weeks. So someone with a question about the parser isn't likely to get a quick response from me. I'm not sure how to handle that, though I have to admit the time spent filtering through the mailing list email notifications wasn't at all productive for me. Maybe when people find bugs or enhancement requests we start to really encourage them to create tickets? There are some other time where active discussion between 3 or 4 people can result in the API evolving in a much better way than just one developer making decisions in a vacuum. I'm not sure how best to address that need - those sorts of discussions would be inappropriate for SO. -- View this message in context: http://itext-general.2136553.n4.nabble.com/My-plan-to-shut-down-the-mailing-list-tp4656532p4656538.html Sent from the iText - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php
Re: [iText-questions] My plan to shut down the mailing-list
i'm sure whatever you decide will be for the best. though frankly, i'll miss the occasional same way i convert chickens to chocolate zingers ;-) -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ iText-questions mailing list iText-questions@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/itext-questions iText(R) is a registered trademark of 1T3XT BVBA. Many questions posted to this list can (and will) be answered with a reference to the iText book: http://www.itextpdf.com/book/ Please check the keywords list before you ask for examples: http://itextpdf.com/themes/keywords.php
