Re: An Israelite Odyssey - Review of Koby Israelite's Dance of
*** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 05/05/2003 at 09:53 r l reidr l reid wrote: Eliezer Kaplan wrote: Roger Reid yclept: Why is genre classification silly? Because it forces listeners to 'pgeonhole' music based on their expectations. Forces? Hardly. Gives a hint as to whether it's your kind of thing, maybe. It's cool if Koby Israelite doesn;t fit any genre. But genre classification is hardly silly. Means I don't have to dig through hip hop to find modern Hungarian classical. Does it? How so, if there were _no_ such genres? You'd then go by artist name, or composer, or some similar scheme. I'm a listener - and nobody has ever forced me to pidgeonhole music. I've got all the free will I need for it. The evidence is more and more coming in that free will is indeed nothing but an illusion... ;-) However, let's not get side tracked into starting a scientific and philosophical discussion. Richard Renaissance Man -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
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*** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 04/05/2003 at 20:47 Ari Davidow wrote: At 05:44 PM 5/4/2003 -0500, you wrote: Of course there are, but one needs to recognize that what goes into each one depends on someone's arbitrary opinion. But just for fun, let's play a little game. Genre-classify the following five artists: Salim Halali The Klezmatics Don Van Vliet (Captain Beefheart) Miles Davis (make sure you include the years1969-1975) Leonard Bernstein See what I mean? Some things =are= hard to categorize (which I think is where RAS started, in this particular case). But people do think in categories. I don't think it hurts to try to provide a context in which the reader can hear your review. Sometimes that means eschewing categories because they don't help. Sometimes, the grounding can help. Sometimes it also depends on your audience. Perhaps we need to say that mindless categorization, like other foolish consistencies, is the hobgoblin of small minds. No doubt there... ;-) But we would also need to agree that not all categorization is foolish ;-). Absolutely, it's got its uses. It's only when one tries to squeeze the music itself, or the artist, into a narrow pigeon coop when clearly it is far too great and far too big-minded to be confined thus, that categorisation becomes, err... silly. Richard Renaissance Man -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
Re: An Israelite Odyssey - Review of Koby Israelite's Dance of
Eliezer Kaplan wrote: Roger Reid yclept: Why is genre classification silly? Because it forces listeners to 'pgeonhole' music based on their expectations. Forces? Hardly. Gives a hint as to whether it's your kind of thing, maybe. It's cool if Koby Israelite doesn;t fit any genre. But genre classification is hardly silly. Means I don't have to dig through hip hop to find modern Hungarian classical. I'm a listener - and nobody has ever forced me to pidgeonhole music. I've got all the free will I need for it. Not a victim, roger -- r l reid[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
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*** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 04/05/2003 at 18:25 Seth Rogovoy wrote: Why is genre classification silly? Because it forces listeners to 'pgeonhole' music based on their expectations. Are there no such things as musical genres? There are indeed, and they do have their uses, to be sure, and can be convenient. But they are, by their nature, rather narrow definitions and from an artistic POV rarely make too much sense. Much great music just cannot be confined by such small compartmentalisation. Great minds won't be confined, period. Pidgeonholing may be convenient in some contexts, but often great music just won't conveniently fit, and then it's the pidgeonhole concept that ends up looking rather silly. Richard Renaissance Man -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
Re: An Israelite Odyssey - Review of Koby Israelite's Dance of
At 05:44 PM 5/4/2003 -0500, you wrote: Of course there are, but one needs to recognize that what goes into each one depends on someone's arbitrary opinion. But just for fun, let's play a little game. Genre-classify the following five artists: Salim Halali The Klezmatics Don Van Vliet (Captain Beefheart) Miles Davis (make sure you include the years1969-1975) Leonard Bernstein See what I mean? Some things =are= hard to categorize (which I think is where RAS started, in this particular case). But people do think in categories. I don't think it hurts to try to provide a context in which the reader can hear your review. Sometimes that means eschewing categories because they don't help. Sometimes, the grounding can help. Sometimes it also depends on your audience. Perhaps we need to say that mindless categorization, like other foolish consistencies, is the hobgoblin of small minds. But we would also need to agree that not all categorization is foolish ;-). ari Ari Davidow [EMAIL PROTECTED] list owner, [EMAIL PROTECTED] the klezmer shack: http://www.klezmershack.com/ -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
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I'm a listener - and nobody has ever forced me to pidgeonhole music. That's because you're intelligent and educated. You are not 'Joe Listener'. (BTW there's no 'd' in pigeonhole althouth there IS an 'i' ;-) - Original Message - From: r l reid [EMAIL PROTECTED]; r l reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: World music from a Jewish slant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:53 AM Subject: Re: An Israelite Odyssey - Review of Koby Israelite's Dance of Eliezer Kaplan wrote: Roger Reid yclept: Why is genre classification silly? Because it forces listeners to 'pgeonhole' music based on their expectations. Forces? Hardly. Gives a hint as to whether it's your kind of thing, maybe. It's cool if Koby Israelite doesn;t fit any genre. But genre classification is hardly silly. Means I don't have to dig through hip hop to find modern Hungarian classical. I'm a listener - and nobody has ever forced me to pidgeonhole music. I've got all the free will I need for it. Not a victim, roger -- r l reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
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R.A.S. wrote: defeats any silly genre classification Why is genre classification silly? Not a ctique of the work you're critiquing; just a critique of the critique itself. roger -- r l reid[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
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Why is genre classification silly? Because it forces listeners to 'pgeonhole' music based on their expectations. Are there no such things as musical genres? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
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Why is genre classification silly? Because it forces listeners to 'pgeonhole' music based on their expectations. - Original Message - From: r l reid [EMAIL PROTECTED]; r l reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: World music from a Jewish slant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:28 PM Subject: Re: An Israelite Odyssey - Review of Koby Israelite's Dance of R.A.S. wrote: defeats any silly genre classification Why is genre classification silly? Not a ctique of the work you're critiquing; just a critique of the critique itself. roger -- r l reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
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Of course there are, but one needs to recognize that what goes into each one depends on someone's arbitrary opinion. But just for fun, let's play a little game. Genre-classify the following five artists: Salim Halali The Klezmatics Don Van Vliet (Captain Beefheart) Miles Davis (make sure you include the years1969-1975) Leonard Bernstein See what I mean? - Original Message - From: Seth Rogovoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: World music from a Jewish slant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 5:25 PM Subject: RE: An Israelite Odyssey - Review of Koby Israelite's Dance of Why is genre classification silly? Because it forces listeners to 'pgeonhole' music based on their expectations. Are there no such things as musical genres? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
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Uh-oh. Seems to me we've been down this road already a few dozen times. George (Put pigeons in coops, not holes!) Robinson To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. --Theodore Roosevelt - Original Message - From: r l reid [EMAIL PROTECTED]; r l reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: World music from a Jewish slant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 5:28 PM Subject: Re: An Israelite Odyssey - Review of Koby Israelite's Dance of R.A.S. wrote: defeats any silly genre classification Why is genre classification silly? Not a ctique of the work you're critiquing; just a critique of the critique itself. roger -- r l reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+ Hosted by Shamash: The Jewish Network http://shamash.org A service of Hebrew College, which offers online courses and an online MA in Jewish Studies, http://hebrewcollege.edu/online/ * * FREE JEWISH LEARNING * * Shamash invites you to join MyJewishLearning.com, a comprehensive, objective, authoritative and interactive learning resource in all areas of Judaism. Free membership via http://www.myjewishlearning.com/shamash -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=
