[Jmol-users] Platform-specific switch Java/HTML5
Hi all, I thought that there would be still an automatic switch from Java to HTML5 on platforms that don't offer Java at all like 'iPad' (Info setting = 'use: JAVA HTML5'). Q: Is this no longer true for Jmol 14.0.1? After the upgrade of the 'Jena3D Viewer' (http://jena3d.fli-leibniz.de) yesterday to Jmol 14.0.1 I asked someone with an 'iPad mini, 1st generation' to test it and he got the following message (excerpt): Either you do not have Java applets enabled in your web browser or your browser is blocking this applet. Regards, Rolf -- Rolf Huehne Postdoc Leibniz Institute for Age Research - Fritz Lipmann Institute (FLI) Beutenbergstrasse 11 07745 Jena, Germany Phone: +49 3641 65 6205 Fax: +49 3641 65 6210 E-Mail: rhue...@fli-leibniz.de Website: http://www.fli-leibniz.de Scientific Director: Prof. Dr. K. Lenhard Rudolph Head of Administration: Dr. Daniele Barthel Chairman of Board of Trustees: Dennys Klein VAT No: DE 153 925 464 Register of Associations: No. 230296, Amtsgericht Jena Tax Number: 162/141/08228 -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Jmol-users mailing list Jmol-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users
Re: [Jmol-users] Platform-specific switch Java/HTML5
It's still there. Should work. RCSB uses this. Proteopedia, I think. I can check that. It all depends upon the result of Jmol.featureDetection.supportsJava() which depends upon navigator.javaEnabled() Apparently that device reports TRUE for this message. You have just spaces between JAVA and HTML5 -- no tabs or commas or semicolons? On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Rolf Huehne rhue...@fli-leibniz.de wrote: Hi all, I thought that there would be still an automatic switch from Java to HTML5 on platforms that don't offer Java at all like 'iPad' (Info setting = 'use: JAVA HTML5'). Q: Is this no longer true for Jmol 14.0.1? After the upgrade of the 'Jena3D Viewer' (http://jena3d.fli-leibniz.de) yesterday to Jmol 14.0.1 I asked someone with an 'iPad mini, 1st generation' to test it and he got the following message (excerpt): Either you do not have Java applets enabled in your web browser or your browser is blocking this applet. Regards, Rolf -- Rolf Huehne Postdoc Leibniz Institute for Age Research - Fritz Lipmann Institute (FLI) Beutenbergstrasse 11 07745 Jena, Germany Phone: +49 3641 65 6205 Fax: +49 3641 65 6210 E-Mail: rhue...@fli-leibniz.de Website: http://www.fli-leibniz.de Scientific Director: Prof. Dr. K. Lenhard Rudolph Head of Administration: Dr. Daniele Barthel Chairman of Board of Trustees: Dennys Klein VAT No: DE 153 925 464 Register of Associations: No. 230296, Amtsgericht Jena Tax Number: 162/141/08228 -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Jmol-users mailing list Jmol-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users -- Robert M. Hanson Larson-Anderson Professor of Chemistry St. Olaf College Northfield, MN http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr If nature does not answer first what we want, it is better to take what answer we get. -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900 -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Jmol-users mailing list Jmol-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users
Re: [Jmol-users] Platform-specific switch Java/HTML5
On Dec 12, 2013, at 6:19 PM, Robert Hanson hans...@stolaf.edu wrote: It's still there. Should work. RCSB uses this. Proteopedia, I think. On Proteopedia we use MobileDetect.php ( http://mobiledetect.net ) to send back to the user a proper configuration based on the platform. It seems that checking for Java can't go undetected and it generates the java disabled yellow applet report. Jaim -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Jmol-users mailing list Jmol-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users
Re: [Jmol-users] Platform-specific switch Java/HTML5
On 12/12/2013 05:19 PM, Robert Hanson wrote: It's still there. Should work. RCSB uses this. Proteopedia, I think. I can check that. It all depends upon the result of Jmol.featureDetection.supportsJava() which depends upon navigator.javaEnabled() Apparently that device reports TRUE for this message. You have just spaces between JAVA and HTML5 -- no tabs or commas or semicolons? Just a space. But when I knew it should still work I looked deeper into this and found that the default JAVA HTML5 setting was overwritten later by JAVA in the tested case. This leads to related questions. In the 'Jena3D Viewer' you can request specifically Jmol or JSmol. And this decision is also inherited by subsequent viewer openings from the current viewer or from a QuickSearch result from within the viewer. Q: How should this be handled regarding the fallback setting? (It would be quite tricky to discriminate between the different cases.) Q: Is there a situation where HTML5 JAVA would lead to using Java instead of HTML5 automatically? Regards, Rolf -- Rolf Huehne Postdoc Leibniz Institute for Age Research - Fritz Lipmann Institute (FLI) Beutenbergstrasse 11 07745 Jena, Germany Phone: +49 3641 65 6205 Fax: +49 3641 65 6210 E-Mail: rhue...@fli-leibniz.de Website: http://www.fli-leibniz.de Scientific Director: Prof. Dr. K. Lenhard Rudolph Head of Administration: Dr. Daniele Barthel Chairman of Board of Trustees: Dennys Klein VAT No: DE 153 925 464 Register of Associations: No. 230296, Amtsgericht Jena Tax Number: 162/141/08228 -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Jmol-users mailing list Jmol-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users
Re: [Jmol-users] Platform-specific switch Java/HTML5
Just for info, I've found JAVA detection can not be relied upon as even if the browser reports that JAVA is present, it may not actually be enabled (browser blocks it). I used to work around this by trying to run a simple jmolscript on a timeout after I'd initialized the jmol applet and 'catching' the error. This was fairly reliable, though depending on timing I could needlessly switch to HTML5 even though JAVA was present... Currently I use mobile detection client-side (detectmobilebrowser.js) to choose a default (HTML5 or JAVA), and if all goes wrong, I've modified the 'yellow box' with a link to a function that re-initializes Jmol with HTML5... None of this is perfect so I'd be interested to hear any other ideas on how to handle this sort of thing... Cheers Simon Quoting Jaime Prilusky jaime.prilu...@weizmann.ac.il: On Dec 12, 2013, at 6:19 PM, Robert Hanson hans...@stolaf.edu wrote: It's still there. Should work. RCSB uses this. Proteopedia, I think. On Proteopedia we use MobileDetect.php ( http://mobiledetect.net ) to send back to the user a proper configuration based on the platform. It seems that checking for Java can't go undetected and it generates the java disabled yellow applet report. Jaim -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Jmol-users mailing list Jmol-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349831iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Jmol-users mailing list Jmol-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jmol-users
