Re: Richard Gere's comments - What's the big deal? (NJC)

2001-10-25 Thread AsharaJM

Jack wrote:

 If we've reached a point where someone can't speak out in favor of 
 compassion, love and understanding, without being labeled an embarassment 
 to the American people, then the terrorists have scored a much bigger 
 victory than anyone is admitting to.
 

This is one of the most touching things I've heard said here, and so true. We 
are definitely and sadly living in a completely different world than before 
September 11th.

Hugs,
Ashara



Re: Richard Gere's comments NJC

2001-10-25 Thread Susan Guzzi

Jan wrote:
 This was the only thing that bothered me.  I HATE
Roger Clemens.
 -jan
 (national leaguer at heart)

Vince wrote:
I am an American Leaguer and I can't stand Clemens
either.

Well not to turn this into an American vs. National
thing.  But I too being an American league fan, do not
like Clemens.  After all he really should be able to
tell the difference between a bat and a baseball. 
That incident with Piazza totally overrides any
respect I had for his pitching skills.

Fred wrote:
Ain't nothin' wrong with what he said.

  Absolutely Nothing! (still talking in song Fred).  
  But really, I saw his remarks first hand. But when
everyone started chatting about them, I thought
perhaps I had missed him in another part of the show,
cause I didn't hear anything wrong with what he said. 
I can't believe this was booed at all.  And secondly,
I can't believe it's getting this kind of attention
and media coverage.  Which by the way is not good for
Gere or for police  firefighters.  Courage comes in
all shapes and sizes, Gere's remarks were courageous. 
But maybe some people prefer hypocrites and bull -
I know I don't.  

Gere's finding Buddhism has made him a better man. 
Believe me, I had an opportunity to be on a movie set
with him many years ago - he was a total jag!  Plus my
scene got cut! Good for him striving to be a better
human.

Peace
Susan
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Re: Richard Gere's comments

2001-10-25 Thread blonde in the bleachers

This was the only thing that bothered me. I HATE Roger Clemens.

-jan (national leaguer at heart)  I HATE Roger Clemens too(Red Sox fan
at heart)



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Re: Richard Gere's comments NJC

2001-10-25 Thread jan

At 07:43 AM 10/25/01 -0700, Susan Guzzi wrote:
(snip)
Well not to turn this into an American vs. National
thing.  But I too being an American league fan, do not
like Clemens.  After all he really should be able to
tell the difference between a bat and a baseball. 
That incident with Piazza totally overrides any
respect I had for his pitching skills.
(snip)
Peace
Susan

Don't get me wrong; I like the American League; the teams and players.  I
just think it's more interesting when the pitcher gets pitched.  I'd love
to have seen Clemens behind the plate in that game.
-jan



Re: Richard Gere's comments

2001-10-25 Thread jan

At 12:34 PM 10/25/01 -0400, blonde in the bleachers wrote: 

 (snip)
 I HATE Roger Clemens too
 (Red Sox fan at heart)



What's lame is that Clemens now says the Red Sox's penchance for blowing
leads/games/series cost him precious wins for his lifetime stats.  This was,
methinks, in a '60 minutes' profile.
-jan



Richard Gere's comments

2001-10-24 Thread simon

CONCERT FOR NEW YORK
Madison Square Garden
Oct. 20, 2001

Richard Gere's comments, from the VideoTape:



Hi New York.

I just hope Clemens wins tomorrow -- that's all I care about.  This is,
this is, this is something I think we're all going to remember for the
rest of our lives.  This is the moment when we needed to be healed.  And
when music showed us the way.  Music does what it does best, it helps us
to heal.  And I think in this situation right now, when, when we have 
the possibility of taking this energy -- this horrendous energy that 
we're
all feeling -- and the possibility of turning it into more violence and
revenge -- we can stop that.  We can take that energy and turn it into
something else -- we can turn it into compassion, into love, into
understanding. (crowd boos)

That's apparently unpopular right now, but that's alright.

My friends right now are the cops, the firemen, the emergency workers. 
Those are the ones who don't ask if you're a good guy or a bad guy if
they're going to save you.  They don't ask what your religion is when
they save you.  They just do it because it need to be done. (crowd cheers)

That's the heart that I'm talking about, that's compassion, that's
the real thing.  That's what we all need to aspire to.  Before introducing
our final New York film tonight, I just want to remind you to call the
number on your screen or go to the Web address to donate to the New York
Fund.  And if you haven't given anything yet, now's the time to do it. 
Just call up and make your donation.  Now if you've already given -- see
if you can dig into your pocket a little more -- cause it's really needed
now.

In the midst of our grief for the lives that were lost on September 11th,
many voices have emerged to help us understand the meaning of this tragic
and historic event.  Among the most poignant is that of Ric Burns whose
epic series on PBS NEW YORK: A DOCUMENTARY FILM aired its final episode
just two weeks after the tragedy.  People most needed it to restore a
vibrant vision of New York to our national consciousness. 

NEW YORK: A DOCUMENTARY FILM celebrates the richness and diversity
of America seen through the lens of its greatest city, New York City.


(End of Richard Gere's comments, film excerpt is then shown)


for now ~ take care,
---
  simon
---

they sin by their silence ... when they should have spoken out.
   
A. Lincoln



Re: Richard Gere's comments

2001-10-24 Thread FredNow

Ain't nothin' wrong with what he said.

-Fred


In a message dated 10/24/01 3:59:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hi New York.

I just hope Clemens wins tomorrow -- that's all I care about.  This is,
this is, this is something I think we're all going to remember for the
rest of our lives.  This is the moment when we needed to be healed.  And
when music showed us the way.  Music does what it does best, it helps us
to heal.  And I think in this situation right now, when, when we have 
the possibility of taking this energy -- this horrendous energy that 
we're
all feeling -- and the possibility of turning it into more violence and
revenge -- we can stop that.  We can take that energy and turn it into
something else -- we can turn it into compassion, into love, into
understanding. (crowd boos)

That's apparently unpopular right now, but that's alright.

My friends right now are the cops, the firemen, the emergency workers.

Those are the ones who don't ask if you're a good guy or a bad guy if
they're going to save you.  They don't ask what your religion is when
they save you.  They just do it because it need to be done. (crowd cheers)

That's the heart that I'm talking about, that's compassion, that's
the real thing.  That's what we all need to aspire to.  Before introducing
our final New York film tonight, I just want to remind you to call the
number on your screen or go to the Web address to donate to the New York
Fund.  And if you haven't given anything yet, now's the time to do it.

Just call up and make your donation.  Now if you've already given -- see
if you can dig into your pocket a little more -- cause it's really needed
now.

In the midst of our grief for the lives that were lost on September 11th,
many voices have emerged to help us understand the meaning of this tragic
and historic event.  Among the most poignant is that of Ric Burns whose
epic series on PBS NEW YORK: A DOCUMENTARY FILM aired its final episode
just two weeks after the tragedy.  People most needed it to restore a
vibrant vision of New York to our national consciousness. 

NEW YORK: A DOCUMENTARY FILM celebrates the richness and diversity
of America seen through the lens of its greatest city, New York City.


(End of Richard Gere's comments, film excerpt is then shown)



Re: Richard Gere's comments NJC

2001-10-24 Thread Vince Lavieri

jan wrote:

 In a message dated 10/24/01 3:59:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Hi New York.
 I just hope Clemens wins tomorrow -- that's all I care about.  This is,
 (snip)
 (End of Richard Gere's comments, film excerpt is then shown)

 This was the only thing that bothered me.  I HATE Roger Clemens.
 -jan
 (national leaguer at heart)

I am an American Leaguer and I can't stand Clemens either.

But try as I can, apart from that Clemens reference,  I can't find a thing
that Gere said that would cause offense to anyone.

(the Rev) Vince



Re: Richard Gere's comments - What's the big deal?

2001-10-24 Thread Merk54

Simon,

Thanks for reprinting Gere's comments from the other night.  I watched the telecast, 
and while I remember thinking it took alot of balls to say what he said, personally I 
was kind of glad he said it.  What better demonstration of our strength and our 
freedom, than to have him address that particular crowd and say the things he said.  

Were his comments inappropriate?  To some people, I'm sure they were.  Were they 
insensitive?  Based upon the people in the audience, I would say they probably were.  
However, I totally support his right to say what he said (and at the risk of being 
labeled anti-American myself, I agreed with him, at least in sentiment).

If we've reached a point where someone can't speak out in favor of compassion, love 
and understanding, without being labeled an embarassment to the American people, then 
the terrorists have scored a much bigger victory than anyone is admitting to.

Jack 



Re: Richard Gere's comments NJC

2001-10-24 Thread Mark or Travis

 Thank you for posting this.  All of the sound bytes pull from the
middle of his
 comments, so it's nice to see the whole thing.

 Brenda

And personally I fail to see what was so damn incendiary or
insensitive or stupid about them.

Mark E.



Re: Richard Gere's comments NJC

2001-10-24 Thread Kakki

 And personally I fail to see what was so damn incendiary or insensitive
or stupid about them.

O.K. to all of you who disagree with my opinion, I get the message.

Taken on the flat page five hdays later they sound innocuous.  Taken in the
context of the event at the moment it happened, it struck the audience and
myself as insensitive.

And I also felt uneasy about the boos given to him and Hillary Clinton.

Kakki