Re: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie
Dear Stefan, I don´t know if there is a direct connection between Jünger and Solzhenitsyn, but in his book Der Walgang he attacs totalitarian ideology, communism, but also the totalitarian aspects of our, the western system, and he tries to find out how individual liberty can be preserved under the actual circumstances, with a special focus on the situation in the eastern block, where the totalitarian tendencies were much stronger than in our system (though also our system is not really absolutely free and also in our system the individual liberty is always in danger - we shouldn´t be so naive to think that only in nazism and communism the individual liberties are in danger - also our system is not free from pressure and totalitarian tendencies - think only about how we are manipulated by the medias and the interests of the leading groups in the economic and political field of our societies - we are manipulated from many sides and it´s not easy to preserve a clear sight of what is really happening in our societies. Yours, Klaus --- Stefan Jarl stefj...@gmail.com schrieb am Do, 5.2.2009: Von: Stefan Jarl stefj...@gmail.com Betreff: Re: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie An: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Datum: Donnerstag, 5. Februar 2009, 17:20 I've followed your discussion and would like to ask you how you understand Jünger's stance on ideology, or perhaps what role, if any, a critique of this defining phenomenon of the last century has in his work. The critique of communism and nazism is course present all over his Paris diaries for example, but did he ever make this into a, more or less explicit, theme for any of his books? I've come to think of this since I've lately spent a lot of time reading Solzhenitsyn, a man who throughout his life strove to see the person behind the dangerous generalisations of ideology. Did Jünger have any relation what so ever to this very great man? In any case, I belive them to be closely related, in that they both are so very much symbols of the 20th century and that both were men with a great sense for the spiritual and moral plight of modern man. Thanks for the enlightening discussion, /Stefan 2009/2/5 klaus gauger klaus_gauger@ yahoo.com Dear Simon, I am glad that you agree with what I wrote about Jünger and his interpreters. Jünger polarized often his interpreters, a lot of interpretations a distorted, because they are written by uncritical admirers and right-wing Jüngerians (I am sure Jünger would have smiled about these self-proclaimed intelectual right-wing stormtroopers), and some left-wing intelectuals who want to transform us into political correct consumers in a market-society where you can find on a material level nearly everything, but no people with brains and some human values. Yours, Klaus --- Simon Friedrich simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de schrieb am Do, 5.2.2009: Von: Simon Friedrich simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de Betreff: AW: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Datum: Donnerstag, 5. Februar 2009, 10:54 Klaus, I can only concur with what you say 100%. (But as I said earlier, I do admit to generalizing a little in order to correct the academic and political bias in this field.) Simon Von: klaus gauger klaus_gauger@ yahoo.com An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 4. Februar 2009, 17:14:23 Uhr Betreff: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie Dear Gerald, I wrote myself a doctoral thesis about Ernst Jünger (it was published by Peter Lang, Zurich, in 1997 under the title: Krieger, Arbeiter, Waldgänger, Anarch). But this is not really important, there have been written dozens of doctoral thesis about Ernst Jünger, some of them are better, some of them are worse. I think important is only the personal relationship a reader establishes to Jünger an his work. An aphorism of Lichtenberg says: If a book and a mind collide, and it sounds hollow, is it always the books fault? So I am only interested in people where the collision between Ernst Jüngers books and their minds didn´t sound hollow. I am interested in the Jüngerians where something happened when they read Ernst Jüngers books. There are so many academic writers who despise Ernst Jünger for some reason (He was a fascist, he wasn´t a democrat, he was an elitarian solipsist, etc.) and there others who admire him for absurd things (for example, some right-wing interpreters emphasize his success as a member of an elitarian stormtroop-unit and his many condecorations in World War I like the Pour le Mérite - you could also admire nazi-bosses like Hermann Göring for that, he was a member of the flying squad of the Red Baron Manfred von Richthofen in World War I and also earned the Pour le merite, like Ernst Jünger). All this is absurd, important is only the relationship a reader establishes to Ernst Jüngers works in case that there exists a genuine
Re: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie
I'm happy to know that my so simple question about Alex has began the interesting discussion about biographies, academics, eunuchs, and all that really complex issues. It means, at least, that, our friend EJ continues shaking minds and provoking. I think he was and is a great provoker. Whatever, its a pity you articulated europeans ,always show us you don't know anything about our history, people, revolutions, changes. General Perón was someone very important and interesting in Argentina and in America Latina. Yours marta --- El jue 5-feb-09, klaus gauger klaus_gau...@yahoo.com escribió: De: klaus gauger klaus_gau...@yahoo.com Asunto: Re: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie Para: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Fecha: jueves, 5 de febrero de 2009, 3:49 pm Dear Stefan, I don´t know if there is a direct connection between Jünger and Solzhenitsyn, but in his book Der Walgang he attacs totalitarian ideology, communism, but also the totalitarian aspects of our, the western system, and he tries to find out how individual liberty can be preserved under the actual circumstances, with a special focus on the situation in the eastern block, where the totalitarian tendencies were much stronger than in our system (though also our system is not really absolutely free and also in our system the individual liberty is always in danger - we shouldn´t be so naive to think that only in nazism and communism the individual liberties are in danger - also our system is not free from pressure and totalitarian tendencies - think only about how we are manipulated by the medias and the interests of the leading groups in the economic and political field of our societies - we are manipulated from many sides and it´s not easy to preserve a clear sight of what is really happening in our societies. Yours, Klaus --- Stefan Jarl stefj...@gmail. com schrieb am Do, 5.2.2009: Von: Stefan Jarl stefj...@gmail. com Betreff: Re: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Datum: Donnerstag, 5. Februar 2009, 17:20 I've followed your discussion and would like to ask you how you understand Jünger's stance on ideology, or perhaps what role, if any, a critique of this defining phenomenon of the last century has in his work. The critique of communism and nazism is course present all over his Paris diaries for example, but did he ever make this into a, more or less explicit, theme for any of his books? I've come to think of this since I've lately spent a lot of time reading Solzhenitsyn, a man who throughout his life strove to see the person behind the dangerous generalisations of ideology. Did Jünger have any relation what so ever to this very great man? In any case, I belive them to be closely related, in that they both are so very much symbols of the 20th century and that both were men with a great sense for the spiritual and moral plight of modern man. Thanks for the enlightening discussion, /Stefan 2009/2/5 klaus gauger klaus_gauger@ yahoo.com Dear Simon, I am glad that you agree with what I wrote about Jünger and his interpreters. Jünger polarized often his interpreters, a lot of interpretations a distorted, because they are written by uncritical admirers and right-wing Jüngerians (I am sure Jünger would have smiled about these self-proclaimed intelectual right-wing stormtroopers ), and some left-wing intelectuals who want to transform us into political correct consumers in a market-society where you can find on a material level nearly everything, but no people with brains and some human values. Yours, Klaus --- Simon Friedrich simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de schrieb am Do, 5.2.2009: Von: Simon Friedrich simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de Betreff: AW: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Datum: Donnerstag, 5. Februar 2009, 10:54 Klaus, I can only concur with what you say 100%. (But as I said earlier, I do admit to generalizing a little in order to correct the academic and political bias in this field.) Simon Von: klaus gauger klaus_gauger@ yahoo.com An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Gesendet: Mittwoch, den 4. Februar 2009, 17:14:23 Uhr Betreff: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie Dear Gerald, I wrote myself a doctoral thesis about Ernst Jünger (it was published by Peter Lang, Zurich, in 1997 under the title: Krieger, Arbeiter, Waldgänger, Anarch). But this is not really important, there have been written dozens of doctoral thesis about Ernst Jünger, some of them are better, some of them are worse. I think important is only the personal relationship a reader establishes to Jünger an his work. An aphorism of Lichtenberg says: If a book and a mind collide, and it sounds hollow, is it always the books fault? So I am only interested in people where the collision between Ernst Jüngers books and their minds didn´t sound hollow. I am interested in the Jüngerians where
Re: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie
Hi Marta, I know who Perón was, I even know who his wife Evita was. But I don´t know if you are a Peronist (there are still a lot of them in Argentina) or not. And I don´t want to hurt your feelings by making some negative remarks about Perón or his wife Evita, in case you are a Peronist. That´s why I didn´t mix in this issue. Anyway, there were a lot of much worse dictators in Latinamerika than Perón. But I don´t like any kind of dictators, not even Perón, I even don´´t like most of the democratically elected politicians, 99% of the politicians suck and are only interested in power and money, and not in the people who elected them. I do know something about latinamerican history and I even speak fluently Spanish. Yours, Klaus --- marta giana mamog...@yahoo.com.ar schrieb am Do, 5.2.2009: Von: marta giana mamog...@yahoo.com.ar Betreff: Re: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie An: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Datum: Donnerstag, 5. Februar 2009, 21:07 I'm happy to know that my so simple question about Alex has began the interesting discussion about biographies, academics, eunuchs, and all that really complex issues. It means, at least, that, our friend EJ continues shaking minds and provoking. I think he was and is a great provoker. Whatever, its a pity you articulated europeans ,always show us you don't know anything about our history, people, revolutions, changes. General Perón was someone very important and interesting in Argentina and in America Latina. Yours marta --- El jue 5-feb-09, klaus gauger klaus_gauger@ yahoo.com escribió: De: klaus gauger klaus_gauger@ yahoo.com Asunto: Re: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie Para: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Fecha: jueves, 5 de febrero de 2009, 3:49 pm Dear Stefan, I don´t know if there is a direct connection between Jünger and Solzhenitsyn, but in his book Der Walgang he attacs totalitarian ideology, communism, but also the totalitarian aspects of our, the western system, and he tries to find out how individual liberty can be preserved under the actual circumstances, with a special focus on the situation in the eastern block, where the totalitarian tendencies were much stronger than in our system (though also our system is not really absolutely free and also in our system the individual liberty is always in danger - we shouldn´t be so naive to think that only in nazism and communism the individual liberties are in danger - also our system is not free from pressure and totalitarian tendencies - think only about how we are manipulated by the medias and the interests of the leading groups in the economic and political field of our societies - we are manipulated from many sides and it´s not easy to preserve a clear sight of what is really happening in our societies. Yours, Klaus --- Stefan Jarl stefj...@gmail. com schrieb am Do, 5.2.2009: Von: Stefan Jarl stefj...@gmail. com Betreff: Re: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Datum: Donnerstag, 5. Februar 2009, 17:20 I've followed your discussion and would like to ask you how you understand Jünger's stance on ideology, or perhaps what role, if any, a critique of this defining phenomenon of the last century has in his work. The critique of communism and nazism is course present all over his Paris diaries for example, but did he ever make this into a, more or less explicit, theme for any of his books? I've come to think of this since I've lately spent a lot of time reading Solzhenitsyn, a man who throughout his life strove to see the person behind the dangerous generalisations of ideology. Did Jünger have any relation what so ever to this very great man? In any case, I belive them to be closely related, in that they both are so very much symbols of the 20th century and that both were men with a great sense for the spiritual and moral plight of modern man. Thanks for the enlightening discussion, /Stefan 2009/2/5 klaus gauger klaus_gauger@ yahoo.com Dear Simon, I am glad that you agree with what I wrote about Jünger and his interpreters. Jünger polarized often his interpreters, a lot of interpretations a distorted, because they are written by uncritical admirers and right-wing Jüngerians (I am sure Jünger would have smiled about these self-proclaimed intelectual right-wing stormtroopers ), and some left-wing intelectuals who want to transform us into political correct consumers in a market-society where you can find on a material level nearly everything, but no people with brains and some human values. Yours, Klaus --- Simon Friedrich simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de schrieb am Do, 5.2.2009: Von: Simon Friedrich simonfriedrich@ yahoo.de Betreff: AW: AW: [juenger_org] Jnger Biografie An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Datum: Donnerstag, 5. Februar 2009, 10:54 Klaus, I can only concur with what you say 100%. (But as I said earlier, I do admit
