Re: [libreoffice-l10n] beta2 - media wiki text doesn't show translation

2011-12-28 Thread Andras Timar
2011/12/28 Lior Kaplan kaplanl...@gmail.com:
 On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 1:56 AM, Mihkel Tõnnov mihh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Lior, *,

 2011/12/23 Lior Kaplan kaplanl...@gmail.com

  Hi,
 
  For Beta2 Hebrew had 100% for the media wiki extension, and while testing
  writer I see the media wiki dialogs in English. Could someone text for
  other languages ?
 

 The same with Estonian and also the key-ID build.


 Andras, is this issue known and will be taken care of ?

All extensions built with gbuild have localization problems. Hopefully
they can be fixed in next betas or RCs.

Best regards,
Andras

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] l10n bugs to fix for LibreOffice 3.5.0 beta3

2011-12-28 Thread Donald Rogers

On 20/12/2011, at 2:59 AM, Andras Timar wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Today I exported updated po files from Pootle and pushed
 them to git to the translations module. The next push will take place
 three weeks from, for LibreOffice 3.5.0 beta3. Meanwhile, could you all
 please fix bugs in your translations? :)
 
 Fatal errors:
 de eo eu fi nl pt pt-BR tr vi
 I corrected them in git as I could, but please correct them in Pootle, too.
 
 Non-fatal errors:
 bg cs da de en-GB eo eu fi ne nl pl pt-BR pt ru sk tr vi
 
 Log files (from all tools) and error files (from gsicheck tool):
 http://dev-www.libreoffice.org/l10n/errorlog/

Hi

Would it be possible to generate these log and err files in utf-8? At present 
they stuff up the Unicode characters. 
For instance, in http://dev-www.libreoffice.org/l10n/errorlog/eo.err: 
vidigi la alŝutitan vikipaĝon
should be vidigi la alŝutitan vikipaĝon

Donald
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] l10n bugs to fix for LibreOffice 3.5.0 beta3

2011-12-28 Thread Mihkel Tõnnov
Hi,

2011/12/28 Donald Rogers donr2...@clear.net.nz


 On 20/12/2011, at 2:59 AM, Andras Timar wrote:

  Hi,
 
  Today I exported updated po files from Pootle and pushed
  them to git to the translations module. The next push will take place
  three weeks from, for LibreOffice 3.5.0 beta3. Meanwhile, could you all
  please fix bugs in your translations? :)
 
  Fatal errors:
  de eo eu fi nl pt pt-BR tr vi
  I corrected them in git as I could, but please correct them in Pootle,
 too.
 
  Non-fatal errors:
  bg cs da de en-GB eo eu fi ne nl pl pt-BR pt ru sk tr vi
 
  Log files (from all tools) and error files (from gsicheck tool):
  http://dev-www.libreoffice.org/l10n/errorlog/

 Hi

 Would it be possible to generate these log and err files in utf-8? At
 present they stuff up the Unicode characters.
 For instance, in http://dev-www.libreoffice.org/l10n/errorlog/eo.err:
 vidigi la alÅ utitan vikipaÄ on
 should be vidigi la alŝutitan vikipaĝon


It’s shown correctly here. Your browser/text-editor probably chooses the
wrong encoding -- I got the result you described when I manually set the
encoding to ISO 8859-1 (i.e. Western European), UTF-8 displayed everything
fine.

Best regards,
Mihkel

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] l10n bugs to fix for LibreOffice 3.5.0 beta3

2011-12-28 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Donald,

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Donald Rogers donr2...@clear.net.nz wrote:
 Would it be possible to generate these log and err files in utf-8? At present 
 they stuff up the Unicode characters.

They are.

 For instance, in http://dev-www.libreoffice.org/l10n/errorlog/eo.err:
 vidigi la alÅ utitan vikipaÄ on
 should be vidigi la alŝutitan vikipaĝon

Make sure your browser uses the UTF-8 charset to display the file.

As it is a plain textfile and no html file, the browser is not told
explicitly what charset to use, so it uses whatever is configured as
the default charset in the browser.

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] l10n bugs to fix for LibreOffice 3.5.0 beta3

2011-12-28 Thread Donald Rogers

On 29/12/2011, at 9:17 AM, Mihkel Tõnnov wrote:

 Hi,
 
 2011/12/28 Donald Rogers donr2...@clear.net.nz
 
 
 On 20/12/2011, at 2:59 AM, Andras Timar wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Today I exported updated po files from Pootle and pushed
 them to git to the translations module. The next push will take place
 three weeks from, for LibreOffice 3.5.0 beta3. Meanwhile, could you all
 please fix bugs in your translations? :)
 
 Fatal errors:
 de eo eu fi nl pt pt-BR tr vi
 I corrected them in git as I could, but please correct them in Pootle,
 too.
 
 Non-fatal errors:
 bg cs da de en-GB eo eu fi ne nl pl pt-BR pt ru sk tr vi
 
 Log files (from all tools) and error files (from gsicheck tool):
 http://dev-www.libreoffice.org/l10n/errorlog/
 
 Hi
 
 Would it be possible to generate these log and err files in utf-8? At
 present they stuff up the Unicode characters.
 For instance, in http://dev-www.libreoffice.org/l10n/errorlog/eo.err:
 vidigi la alÅ utitan vikipaÄ on
 should be vidigi la alŝutitan vikipaĝon
 
 
 It’s shown correctly here. Your browser/text-editor probably chooses the
 wrong encoding -- I got the result you described when I manually set the
 encoding to ISO 8859-1 (i.e. Western European), UTF-8 displayed everything
 fine.

Thanks, Mihkel and Christian. I should have thought of that.

Donald
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] compound strings

2011-12-28 Thread Mihkel Tõnnov
Hi Milos, Martin, *,

2011/12/29 Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net:

 2011/12/28 Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net

 2011/12/28 Milos Sramek sramek.mi...@gmail.com

 Hi,

 I have in the new Header/Footer feature of 3.5 for the first time
 noticed compound strings consisting of two separately translated
 strings. For example, Format Header is composed of strings Format
 (KeyId _XDs) and Header (b4n3).

 Slovak (and other languages) have cases - the Header word must be in the
 accusative case here. Are we sure that the b4n3 Header string is used
 only in such context and not in other, where for example, the nominative
 case should be used?

 I would prefer to not to compound strings of other strings. What do you
 think about that? Can we send this message to the developers?


 Hi, I haven't noticed that, this should be marked, explained in notes, if
 sdf had those...
 Will check, but why is this not a single string?
 Does that mean that also Format Footer is formed from two strings?
 This is unacceptable and anglo-saxon-centric, really does not work well
 for other languages.


 OMG, now I saw it, this is horrible - each context menu command must be a
 separate string, you cannot format context menu commands in the same manner
 for 100+ languages!
 Thanks, Milos, for noticing this.


See also this thread:
http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/msg03406.html

I agree that composing strings in such a manner is not okay, and
should it become a habit with the devs, it's a disaster waiting to
strike.
Another such case:
7yKt + btRK = Insert +  Rows
7yKt + xGzB = Insert +  Columns
(make a table in Writer, right-click in it, choose Row - Insert or
Column - Insert, and behold the dialog title.)

I'm not sure if there are more.

Greetings,
Mihkel
The Estonian team

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] compound strings

2011-12-28 Thread Donald Rogers

On 29/12/2011, at 2:52 PM, Mihkel Tõnnov wrote:

 Hi Milos, Martin, *,
 
 2011/12/29 Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net:
 
 2011/12/28 Martin Srebotnjak mi...@filmsi.net
 
 2011/12/28 Milos Sramek sramek.mi...@gmail.com
 
 Hi,
 
 I have in the new Header/Footer feature of 3.5 for the first time
 noticed compound strings consisting of two separately translated
 strings. For example, Format Header is composed of strings Format
 (KeyId _XDs) and Header (b4n3).
 
 Slovak (and other languages) have cases - the Header word must be in the
 accusative case here. Are we sure that the b4n3 Header string is used
 only in such context and not in other, where for example, the nominative
 case should be used?
 
 I would prefer to not to compound strings of other strings. What do you
 think about that? Can we send this message to the developers?
 
 
 Hi, I haven't noticed that, this should be marked, explained in notes, if
 sdf had those...
 Will check, but why is this not a single string?
 Does that mean that also Format Footer is formed from two strings?
 This is unacceptable and anglo-saxon-centric, really does not work well
 for other languages.
 
 
 OMG, now I saw it, this is horrible - each context menu command must be a
 separate string, you cannot format context menu commands in the same manner
 for 100+ languages!
 Thanks, Milos, for noticing this.
 
 
 See also this thread:
 http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/msg03406.html
 
 I agree that composing strings in such a manner is not okay, and
 should it become a habit with the devs, it's a disaster waiting to
 strike.
 Another such case:
 7yKt + btRK = Insert +  Rows
 7yKt + xGzB = Insert +  Columns
 (make a table in Writer, right-click in it, choose Row - Insert or
 Column - Insert, and behold the dialog title.)
 
 I'm not sure if there are more.

Yes, the same happens in the Esperanto version. It does not even put a space 
between the two words, and the case of the second is wrong (naturally).

On the other hand, is this a mechanism for developers to save us lots of work, 
retranslating the same strings over and over, e.g. OK, Cancel?

Donald
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