Re : [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Text in UI, we do not understand
Hello http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modifier_Tone_Letters A picture for Elements Dock http://openoffice.sblo.jp/article/68846438.html Best regards Alan Hello While translating the UI files to Dutch in Pootle, we came across 2 sentences we do not understand: Modifier Tone Letters Elements Dock Can somebody explain the meaning? When we manage to find a suitable translation, we will reach 100% ;-)) Many thanks Best regards -- Leo Moons LibreOffice/nl Nous sommes condamnés à être libres -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Text in UI, we do not understand
2013/7/13 Leo Moons leo.mo...@telenet.be: Elements Dock Hey This command show new sidebar in Math (find it in menu View) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.1#Math Elements dock mean Show/embed window with math's elements By the way. Anyone know what mean Purple pipe from File: svx/source/dialog.po Context: sdstring.src RID_SVXSTR_GRDT67 string.text Where can I find it? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Text in UI, we do not understand
Purple pipe is a gradient name. You can find in Draw under Format - Page - Background. On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Mateusz Zasuwik mzasu...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/7/13 Leo Moons leo.mo...@telenet.be: Elements Dock Hey This command show new sidebar in Math (find it in menu View) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.1#Math Elements dock mean Show/embed window with math's elements By the way. Anyone know what mean Purple pipe from File: svx/source/dialog.po Context: sdstring.src RID_SVXSTR_GRDT67 string.text Where can I find it? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Re : [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Text in UI, we do not understand
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 7:10 AM, alan.monf...@free.fr wrote: While translating the UI files to Dutch in Pootle, we came across 2 sentences we do not understand: Modifier Tone Letters Elements Dock Can somebody explain the meaning? “Modifier Tone Letters” is a Unicode block. See this for more info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_letter Regards -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Re : [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Text in UI, we do not understand
Hi :) The wikipedia page about Modifier Tone Letters says Modifier Tone Letters is a Unicode block containing tone markings for Chinese, Chinantec, Africanist, and other phonetic transcriptions. It does not contain the standard IPA tone marks, which are found in Spacing Modifier Letters. but i still don't understand what it means. More to the point i don't see how to cut it down to just a couple of words that do make sense. I like Alan Monfort's link for Elements Dock, seeing it makes it easier to understand. http://openoffice.sblo.jp/article/68846438.html I liked Mateusz Zasuwik's explanation of Elements dock as meaning Show/embed window with Math's elements and having a link helped too https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.1#Math Khagaroth's explanation about Purple pipe helped a bit but i didn't understand what a gradient name was until seeing the context by following his path You can find in Draw under Format - Page - Background. But it still doesn't really explain what a pipe is. My guess is that purple would be on one side of the page and some other colour on the other side and they would somehow merge or fade into each other in the middle? Regards from Tom :) From: Adolfo Jayme Barrientos f...@libreoffice.org To: alan.monf...@free.fr Cc: Leo Moons leo.mo...@telenet.be; L10n l10n@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 13 July 2013, 9:28 Subject: Re: Re : [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Text in UI, we do not understand On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 7:10 AM, alan.monf...@free.fr wrote: While translating the UI files to Dutch in Pootle, we came across 2 sentences we do not understand: Modifier Tone Letters Elements Dock Can somebody explain the meaning? “Modifier Tone Letters” is a Unicode block. See this for more info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_letter Regards -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Re : [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Text in UI, we do not understand
They are diacritic marks that mark tone in tonal languages, so there's squiggles that go above or beside another letter to indicate if it's a high rising tone, a low rising tone, a mid level tone, and so on. There's a better pdf here which actually displays them http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/UA700.pdf So saying it in long it would be Linguistic symbols for marking tone in tone languages that modify another letter (usually a vowel) Michael 13/07/2013 12:21, sgrìobh Tom Davies: The wikipedia page about Modifier Tone Letters says Modifier Tone Letters is a Unicode block containing tone markings for Chinese, Chinantec, Africanist, and other phonetic transcriptions. It does not contain the standard IPA tone marks, which are found in Spacing Modifier Letters. but i still don't understand what it means. More to the point i don't see how to cut it down to just a couple of words that do make sense. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Re : [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Text in UI, we do not understand
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Khagaroth's explanation about Purple pipe helped a bit but i didn't understand what a gradient name was until seeing the context by following his path You can find in Draw under Format - Page - Background. But it still doesn't really explain what a pipe is. My guess is that purple would be on one side of the page and some other colour on the other side and they would somehow merge or fade into each other in the middle? Thanks for bringing this up, Tom. For now, I’ve translated “Purple pipe” literally (‘Tubería púrpura’ in Spanish), with the hope that people will understand what the “pipe” is by seeing the gradient preview first. Regards! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Re : [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Text in UI, we do not understand
Hi :) Thanks :) So it's something that doesn't happen in English so there isn't really a good name for it? So in other languages it might be easier to shorten it to something that makes more sense to people? Your original explanation makes a lot of sense; diacritic marks that mark tone in tonal languages, so there's squiggles that go above or beside another letter to indicate if it's a high rising tone, a low rising tone, a mid level tone, and so on. I know exactly what you mean by that because i have seen such marks in many other languages. The technically correct and more official line Linguistic symbols for marking tone in tone languages that modify another letter (usually a vowel) still leaves the meaning unclear. In the 1st line, even though i don't know what diacritic means you explain that well by using the word squiggles which is much friendlier. So, i feel i learned something even though the 1st description is still quite short even if it's not short enough. Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: Michael Bauer f...@akerbeltz.org To: l10n@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 13 July 2013, 12:44 Subject: Re: Re : [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Text in UI, we do not understand They are diacritic marks that mark tone in tonal languages, so there's squiggles that go above or beside another letter to indicate if it's a high rising tone, a low rising tone, a mid level tone, and so on. There's a better pdf here which actually displays them http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/UA700.pdf So saying it in long it would be Linguistic symbols for marking tone in tone languages that modify another letter (usually a vowel) Michael 13/07/2013 12:21, sgrìobh Tom Davies: The wikipedia page about Modifier Tone Letters says Modifier Tone Letters is a Unicode block containing tone markings for Chinese, Chinantec, Africanist, and other phonetic transcriptions. It does not contain the standard IPA tone marks, which are found in Spacing Modifier Letters. but i still don't understand what it means. More to the point i don't see how to cut it down to just a couple of words that do make sense. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Re : [libreoffice-l10n] Fwd: Text in UI, we do not understand
13/07/2013 15:32, sgrìobh Tom Davies: Hi :) Thanks :) So it's something that doesn't happen in English so there isn't really a good name for it? Not unless English develops a complex tone system. It's possible of course but not in the next 100 years I'd say. So in other languages it might be easier to shorten it to something that makes more sense to people? I guess so. It's the old question of how freely to translate. It's technically the name of a code range in Unicode (like Latin 1 or IPA Extensions) but I think translating this so it makes sense in to the user is more important than sticking to the exact Unicode range name. Your original explanation makes a lot of sense; diacritic marks that mark tone in tonal languages, so there's squiggles that go above or beside another letter to indicate if it's a high rising tone, a low rising tone, a mid level tone, and so on. I know exactly what you mean by that because i have seen such marks in many other languages. The technically correct and more official line Linguistic symbols for marking tone in tone languages that modify another letter (usually a vowel) still leaves the meaning unclear. In the 1st line, even though i don't know what diacritic means you explain that well by using the word squiggles which is much friendlier. So, i feel i learned something even though the 1st description is still quite short even if it's not short enough. Thanks and regards from Tom :) You're welcome :) Michael -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
