Re: [lace] Lace in Malta
Dear Pat, There was also listed in the Australian Lace Guild magazine an little item from Marika Camilleri who is President of a Club for Maltese Lacemakers (Klabb tal-Bizzilla Maltija). She was asking about Maltese-Australian members who would like to correspond via e-mail. Marika's e-mail address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you wish to make contact with this group. I'm sure that we'd all like to hear of your adventures in Malta. What a way to spend January, Pene - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re Selling on Ebay
Hi Brenda, it is also worth getting hold of postage rates leaflets from the post office; there is one for normal post and one for Parcelforce. That way, you can weigh items at home with packaging in order to estimate postage. If in any doubt, we put items in the next price grouping up. We have found with kitchen balance scales, that we are generally spot on with postage costs - though it sometimes takes splitting contents and packaging to weigh separately to get them to stay on the scales! People do like to know what postage is in advance - and we have been put off where postage is not listed or is exorbitant for the weight of the item in question. We leave items in packaging (labelled with item), ready to seal, address and post, which saves time. My husband does combine postage for multiple purchases, which then need repackaging - but chances are with lace items you may be able to fit things into one lot of the packaging you already have ready. Hope this helps, Karen In Coventry -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23/09/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23/09/2005 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Selling on ebay
it is also worth getting hold of postage rates leaflets from the post office You can also download this from the post office website. http://www.postoffice.co.uk/portal/po/home I would suggest that you don't list all the items at once as this will just flood the market - a *trickle* is a better idea ;o). Diana in Northamptonshire - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Selling on eBay
At 02:28 26/09/2005, Tamara P Duvall wrote: 2) On Sep 25, 2005, at 17:39, Jane Viking Swanson wrote: I sell things as is and the buyer can wash or iron it. I also advise against ironing as it will set any stains. I would undersign with both hands (to use a Polish phrase) that particular piece of advice... Direct heat from an iron *sets* stains and other problems (uneven yellowing, harsher wear on creases, etc) till they can't be removed. The instructions on fabric paints always tell you to iron the reverse when the paint's dry to set the paint. I'm assuming it's for exactly the same reason. Helen Helen, Somerset, UK Forget the formulae, let's make lace -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 23/09/2005 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Study of Torchon Grounds
Hi, Does anyone know if A Study of Torchon Grounds by Juolie Hendrick is still available for sale? Thanks. Mary in Ann Arbor - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Ann Cope class
How very strange, I also took my first bobbin lace classes with Ann Cope. I lived in Berkhamsted, Hertsfordshire in 1983-1985 and took classes at the local school in an effort to find something to do with grown-ups. I learned a lot with her, and was quite lost for awhile when we came home, as I didn't know how to start or end projects very well. I soon found a great teacher in Mary McPeek, who solved that problem by having me do a chess board. By the time I finished 64 pieces I could start and end with no problem. Ann started a 20+ year love of doing lace! Kathy McMinn Holly, MI Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 20:06:52 -0400 From: CLIVE Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [lace] Art Fairs I was studying bobbin lace with Ann Cope in Chesham, Bucks 1977-1981, and had many Bucks classes with Pamela Nottingham. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Art Fairs
I don't know whether the Wall Street Journal went into this, but I am fairly certain that such shows require you to pay a booth fee which would undoubtedly be in the hundreds of dollars, if not in the thousands. It would be hard to assemble enough lace art, let alone sell enough, to pay the booth fee. Incidentally, although they are not purveyors of lace art, per se, lace is represented at the Pier Antique Show regularly, in that Molly Carroll, Peggy Zalamea, Paivi Roberts and Maria Niforos frequently do these shows. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Selling on Ebay
Brenda, I buy and sell on Ebay (I've been taking a bit of a break on selling), so I will give you some of my opinions on your questions, mostly where I differ from those who have replied already on the list. At 12:56 PM 09/25/2005 +0100, you wrote: I realise that I'll need to open a PayPal account, (or restrict it to GBP cheques and clear the cheques before parting with the goods). I've resisted PayPal in the past for my own book sales because of the high charges - it works out at 55p on a single book or 3-07 GBP on a trade order for ten books. As a buyer, I don't even bother with auctions that do not take Paypal. There is rarely anything I need badly enough that I would go through the trouble of making a non-electronic payment. I could pay with Bidpay, but that costs me extra, and Paypal is free as a buyer. Someone on the list mentioned about not accepting credit cards through Paypal and only opening a non-credit card account. Sometime in August, they changed the rules and you may not accept Paypal on Ebay without accepting credit card payments. Therefore, there is no way to avoid the Paypal charges. As a seller, I only accept Paypal. Being in Israel, accepting checks or money orders would be too much of a hassle for me. Not worth the chance of having more customers or higher bids. Besides, I love seeing the money immediately, or almost immediately, and I love being able to ship immediately. Even though my items take about a week to get there, my buyers often claim fast shipping in the feedback. 1, The minimum reserve price with Ebay is 50 GBP. If I'm realistically hoping for about 25 GBP for an item then a reserve price is not an option. Should I therefore set the opening bid at what I consider the reserve price to be, say 20 GBP? If I set it very low and someone bids just a penny more am I obliged to sell? There are experienced sellers on Ebay, with high feedback scores, that start their auctions very low. They can do that successfully because they know that the bids will usually rise to what the item is really worth, due to their reputation. As a low feedback or new seller, you should start your bids at the lowest price you would be willing to sell at. 2, There are a lot of low value items - would it be better to put these into 'lots' ie five different lace mats, or try to sell each item individually? Postage on five is likely to be the same as postage on one, it's the packaging that costs! Items that are really only worth $1. or so each should definitely by listed in lots. Preparing a listing (photos, text, etc.) is time consuming and the low value items are not worth your time individually. The extra Ebay charges do add up, too. 3, Most of the items would benefit from laundering to freshen them up! A mammoth task, so would it harm the dresses if I iron them unlaundered in order to get a decent photo? I get the impression that most of the items you are selling are not worth a lot individually, so, again, I don't think it's worth your time to work too hard on it. You should state the condition of the item honestly, in the listing. Yellowing, stains, possibly where they are located, if you think it's important. And state that it is being sold as is. Good luck and please let us know your Ebay ID when you do start selling. Debbie - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Selling on Ebay
Someone on the list mentioned about not accepting credit cards through Paypal and only opening a non-credit card account. Sometime in August, they changed the rules and you may not accept Paypal on Ebay without accepting credit card payments. Therefore, there is no way to avoid the Paypal charges. This is incorrect, in my experience. My husband continues to offer stamps on eBay to collectors, and our payment terms include PayPal with a balance or bank transfer, no credit cards. Our PayPal account remains a personal account, no fees to us, and we continue to collect on ebay sales via PayPal. Barbara Joyce Snoqualmie, WA USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Selling on Ebay
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/paypal-payments.html?ssPageName=CMDV:AB There are many people still doing it, doesn't mean it's OK. Many are being turned in and having their auctions ended. If you state no credit card paypal in your auction terms, you run the risk of coming across a nasty buyer or a jealous competitor who will turn you in. At 09:21 AM 09/26/2005 -0700, Barbara Joyce wrote: Someone on the list mentioned about not accepting credit cards through Paypal and only opening a non-credit card account. Sometime in August, they changed the rules and you may not accept Paypal on Ebay without accepting credit card payments. Therefore, there is no way to avoid the Paypal charges. This is incorrect, in my experience. My husband continues to offer stamps on eBay to collectors, and our payment terms include PayPal with a balance or bank transfer, no credit cards. Our PayPal account remains a personal account, no fees to us, and we continue to collect on ebay sales via PayPal. Barbara Joyce Snoqualmie, WA USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Art Fairs
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know whether the Wall Street Journal went into this, but I am fairly certain that such shows require you to pay a booth fee which would undoubtedly be in the hundreds of dollars, if not in the thousands. This varies tremendously from fair to fair. And if you're demonstrating and not selling, you can often get the fee waived. After all, you're offering them free entertainment. Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA (formerly Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Selling on Ebay
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] As a buyer, I don't even bother with auctions that do not take Paypal. There is rarely anything I need badly enough that I would go through the trouble of making a non-electronic payment. And I only do auctions now that accept checks or credit cards without PayPal. I had so much trouble with PayPal that I'm not interested in going through that any more. I don't want them having my bank or credit card info--they've been hacked. And when I was registered (and I had a hard time getting there), I got too many scammers pretending to be PayPal and asking me for bank/credit info. Then the real PayPal said my account was running out and I had to add money to it, long before that was true. I was unable to add money successfully, anyway. All in all, I had a terrible time with them and have no interest in any further association. Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA (formerly Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Selling on Ebay
Mea Culpa, and thank you so much for bringing this to my attention! It's news to me, but we will certainly have to re-think what kind of payments we'll accept. Those credit card fees add up, and yet, as several people noted, PayPal is a very convenient method of payment for both buyers and sellers. Bummer! Barbara Joyce Snoqualmie, WA USA http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/paypal-payments.html?ssPageName=CMDV:AB There are many people still doing it, doesn't mean it's OK. Many are being turned in and having their auctions ended. If you state no credit card paypal in your auction terms, you run the risk of coming across a nasty buyer or a jealous competitor who will turn you in. At 09:21 AM 09/26/2005 -0700, Barbara Joyce wrote: Someone on the list mentioned about not accepting credit cards through Paypal and only opening a non-credit card account. Sometime in August, they changed the rules and you may not accept Paypal on Ebay without accepting credit card payments. Therefore, there is no way to avoid the Paypal charges. This is incorrect, in my experience. My husband continues to offer stamps on eBay to collectors, and our payment terms include PayPal with a balance or bank transfer, no credit cards. Our PayPal account remains a personal account, no fees to us, and we continue to collect on ebay sales via PayPal. Barbara Joyce Snoqualmie, WA USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re:Art Fairs and Designing in PG
Aurelia and all, I can give a few comments on doing the Art Fairs. I have done several in our NW areas. -First, you must know that it is HARD WORK. The set up and take down is not easy PHYSICAL LABOR. -The hours are long, you would need 2-3 in a booth to just 'man it'. -To be at all 'impressive to the public' you need a very professional appearing booth. This can be expensive! -You need a sizeable inventory of works. -There is usually a rather high entry fee. At least for the better show. I don't mean to say it can't be done it can, but I want people to be aware of the time, $, and effort involved. And this is time and effort that takes away from your lace making time. If anyone still wants to try it, my hat is off to you, go ahead and try. First visit the Fairs you are interested in 'doing' and check out the rules for entry, fees, availability of lighting, size of booth, etc. Many of the better Fairs are 'Juried' which means that you must present your 'wares and booth design' to a committee for acceptance. This usually keeps the quality of the Art higher, depending upon the criteria of the committee. Did you take that workshop on Designing for Bucks Pt'? I have been wanting to try some and wondered if there are any 'rules or points' to look out for. Does anyone know of books that give pointers on designing in the point ground laces? Lorri Apparently these fairs are run much like the state fairs that we all know and don't love -- one-stop shopping takes you past lots and lots of art dealers; much easier than going to art auctions. Seems that there will be a bunch of them in New York this fall: International Art + Design Fair, Oct. 7-11; AAF Contemporary Art Fair (all work priced between $100 and $10,000) at Pier 92, Oct. 27-30; and Modernism (focuses on 20th-century decorative arts and design), Nov. 10-13. Seems to me that a group of lacemakers could put in an appearance, maybe even make something of a splash -- a gentle splash, don't want to scare anybody -- but just to get the public accustomed, at first, to seeing lace occupying the same universe as photography, vases, tapestry, installation-art... Is anybody going to be in New York on any of those dates? By the way, some spiders have been referring to art vs. craft. Somebody even remarked with pride about lowly craftsmanship. I don't think there's any versus about it. Arts and crafts belong to each other; the more skillful our eye and hand (the craftsman in us), the more reach to our designs (the artist in us). Why else do accomplished and experienced lacemakers take workshops and buy books and devote themselves to minutiae of study? I remember with awe and affection that the very last workshop that Pam Nottingham (a stickler for technical perfection if ever there was one!) gave us in this country was called (approximately) Designing for Bucks Point Lace. See you at the Fair! -- Aurelia - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Study of Torchon Grounds
Julie can be reached at: http://members.aol.com/Catchpin/home.htmlhttp://members.aol.com/Catchpin/hom e.html I think she was intending to republish STG or her Study of Torchon Spiders. Perhaps if there is enough interest she will soon. I also know she is being kept very busy with aging parents, so let's all be patient. Lorri Hi, Does anyone know if A Study of Torchon Grounds by Juolie Hendrick is still available for sale? Thanks. Mary in Ann Arbor - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Art Fairs
I don't know these names, nor what their connection to lace may be; but if they do show lace, ought we not to descend on them forthwith? We have an idea about lace and art; it will need a lot of pushing in order to make it on to the stage although they are not purveyors of lace art, per se, lace is represented at the Pier Antique Show regularly, in that Molly Carroll, Peggy Zalamea, Paivi Roberts and Maria Niforos frequently do these shows. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re:Art Fairs and Designing in PG
Our underlying purpose, remember? is to make lace known to the art world. All I'm suggesting at the moment is that perhaps we can dip a toe in the water; go to a couple of these fairs and see what they're like; talk to people; make our existence known. People think of lace as collars and cuffs. This is what we're trying to change, remember? -- Aurelia I don't mean to say it can't be done it can, but I want people to be aware of the time, $, and effort involved. And this is time and effort that takes away from your lace making time. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Art Fairs
Molly Carroll, Paivi Roberts, Maria Niforos and Peggy Zalamea are dealers in vintage and antique textiles who sell lace at the IOLI and at the Pier Shows that show antiques. But that is entirely different than purveying lace as art. I suspect the tag on the booths for the shows you mention is significantly higher than what they are paying to be in the antique sales in the same venues. These are the websites of the three shows you mentioned. _http://www.haughton.com/design/dealers.htm_ (http://www.haughton.com/design/dealers.htm) _http://www.aafnyc.com/art_fair_participant_requirements.asp_ (http://www.aafnyc.com/art_fair_participant_requirements.asp) _http://www.sanfordsmith.com/modex.htm_ (http://www.sanfordsmith.com/modex.htm) These appear to be extremely high class affairs. The exhibitors are galleries, not individual artists at these shows. But, I think the biggest critical problem is that there really are not many pieces of lace art that people are prepared to sell. I can't imagine that you, Aurelia, are willing to put a price on several fans and place them out on a table for people to buy. The purpose of these shows is to sell art, not just to show it. Excluding Lenka, who seems to have worked out the selling aspect to her satisfaction, could we assemble even 15 pieces of actual lace art to put in a booth and be prepared to sell? Interestingly, the following business is one that sells textiles at the first mentioned show. _http://www.textilearts.com/_ (http://www.textilearts.com/) but they seem more taken with exotic textiles. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Study of Torchon Grounds
Mary Ann - and other Spiders - In case anyone is having difficulty finding a particular book, it's worth knowing that Lacy Susan offers a service to help pair up seekers of used books and people who have books they no longer need. Her email address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Clay Clay Blackwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Original Message] From: Lorri Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 9/26/2005 3:16:53 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Study of Torchon Grounds Julie can be reached at: http://members.aol.com/Catchpin/home.htmlhttp://members.aol.com/Catchpin/ho m e.html I think she was intending to republish STG or her Study of Torchon Spiders. Perhaps if there is enough interest she will soon. I also know she is being kept very busy with aging parents, so let's all be patient. Lorri Hi, Does anyone know if A Study of Torchon Grounds by Juolie Hendrick is still available for sale? Thanks. Mary in Ann Arbor - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Life Membership
Many of you may know Pat Milne, or know of her through her patterns. - the Orange Blossom Lace book which has just been published is of her designs. She has been sharing her designs for many years in Australian Lace (the quarterly magazine.) teaching, and gives the most interesting talks, etc. Well, I have just heard that the the recent AGM of the Australian Lace Guild, she was made a Life Member. Very well deserved, too. Regards from Liz in Melbourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Designing in PG
On Sep 26, 2005, at 13:39, Lorri Ferguson wrote: Did you take that workshop on Designing for Bucks Pt'? She did; I did too, and was probably the only one in class who didn't profit much, though I did enjoy the class itself. But it proved to me, once and for all, that I can't design on demand; ideas either come or they don't, and there's no forcing them. I have been wanting to try some and wondered if there are any 'rules or points' to look out for. I've not done a whole lot in PG - it's faster to test out than Flanders, but slower than the tape/braid laces, and speed has become an important factor recently - and my best pattern hadn't even been published, except as a photo on my website (Fragrance, in the non-series, '00-'03), but, for what it's worth... Unless you're trying to stay within the parameters of a particular version of PG (Tonder, Beveren, Bucks, etc), there are no rules; you make your own :) Does anyone know of books that give pointers on designing in the point ground laces? Pamela Nottingham's The Technique of Bucks Point Lace does, probably, the most comprehensive job of of it, but it is limited to the techniques used by Bucks, which, in practice, means the exclusion of things like the gimp loop. Karen Trend Nissen's Toenderknipling 3 explains a lot about drafting patterns also, but she's not only limiting the explanations to the techniques used by Toender version; she's also talking mostly about reproducing patterns from exisiting old laces (Nottingham has a section on that too, BTW). Though reproducing old patterns is as exacting a craft (for me, more exacting than designing from scratch; can't do it to save my life g) as designing... I find it easiest - when an idea comes, that is g - to grab a piece of graph paper and doodle the shape I want on it. I like the Tonder proportions best (60), since they give me the most perfect honeycomb hole (all sides even) as well as the most even net, but other grid angles may be useful for some fillings. Steph Peters has different grids on her website that one can download and print, if one's using Windows. Sorry, don't have it bookmarked, since I'm a Mac user, but I'm sure others do. I then enlarge the whole thing to the point where I can draw lines between the pin-dots, to diagram it. That gives me an overall idea of what's likely to work on the pillow. Then I test it out on the pillow (my spacial imagination has always ben a problem, so I can't always imagine what the finished project will look like simply on the basis of a diagram), annotating the diagram where the diagram didn't quite work, and a pinhole has to be shifted a bit or the path of the pairs changed to give a more pleasing visual effect. Then test the pattern out again, on adjusted pricking. Lots of people can do a lot of that work on the 'puter. I took one course in 'puter design and decided that, trying to learn how to would take more time than doing it by hand, especially since it's not something I do often enough to remember from one project to the next; I have trouble enough remembering how to upload pictures to the website (and never mind removing them g), thank goodness my son can do some of the website management long distance from CA g Other pointers... Have as many PG-related books - with good diagrams in them - on hand as you can. Doesn't matter (much) which technique the book's about; you never know where you'll be able to find that perfect solution to your technical problem, if you're designing generic PG :) And practice, practice, practice... The more lace you've made, the more you're likely to know ahead of time what's likely to work best (fewest false starts). I find the Bucks books the hardest to transpose, because I have serious problems with the left-right orientation, and Bucks has the headside/footside reversed from my point of view. These have always have to be tested out on the pillow first, and the diagrams re-made to suit. Good luck, and have fun; playing around with grids and fitting your ideas into them may, sometimes, feel like you're confining the ideas by straight jackets, but it is also very helpful in organising your thoughts. There, Allison A - a whole message without a single * g -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Designing in PG
From: Tamara P Duvall [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have been wanting to try some and wondered if there are any 'rules or points' to look out for. Unless you're trying to stay within the parameters of a particular version of PG (Tonder, Beveren, Bucks, etc), there are no rules; you make your own :) I agree with T that you can pick and choose PG parameters if you're designing your own PG (as opposed to designing BUcks or designing Tonder, etc.). Elwynn Kenn (I think that's the spelling) put out three books on Australian Point Ground that are her PG patterns. She was consistent in her rules, but didn't necessarily stick doggedly to the rules of any one existing PG tradition. If you call your pattern Bucks, you should stick to the Bucks rules, but if you call it Point Ground, you can make your own. That said, I think you might benefit from the OIDFA-published Study of Point Grounds. There was a committee that looked at all the PG traditions and compared them. The book is a table--each column is a PG style. Each row is a feature. I don't have it with me, but it would be something like: twists before the gimp: Bucks=2, Tonder=1, Rauma=2, XXX=3, YYY=varies. In other words, Bucks has 2 twists before the gimp, Tonder has 1, Finnish has 2, etc. ***N.B. I made up the numbers to illustrate the point!*** This book will give you the rules for each variable in each tradition- -you can pick and choose as necessary or you can follow any one tradition slavishly. It also gives you a list of what variables you have to work with. Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA (formerly Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :) Fwd: Senior moments
Either something's wrong with my delivery of chat messages, or else there haven't been any today... In any case, here's a giggle; if I'd seen it before, I forgot... :) From: R.P. This is a story of two elderly people living in a mobile home park in FLA. He was a widower and she was a widow. They had known one another for a number of years. One evening there was a community supper in the Club House, and the widower and widow made a foursome with two other singles. They had a wonderful evening and spirits were high. The widower sent a few admiring glances across the table, and the widow smiled coyly back at him. Finally he plucked up his courage to ask her, Will you marry me? After about six seconds of careful consideration, she answered, Yes.Yes, I will. The meal ended with a few more pleasant exchanges and they went to their respective homes. The next morning, the widower was troubled. Did she say 'Yes' or did she say 'No?' He couldn't remember. Try as he would, he just could not recall. He went over the conversation of the previous evening, but his mind was blank. He remembered asking the question, but for the life of him he could not recall her response. With fear and trepidation, he picked up the phone and called her. First, he explained that he didn't remember as well as he used to. Then he reviewed the lovely evening past. As he gained a little more courage he then inquired of her, When I asked if you would marry me, did you say 'Yes' or did you say 'No?' Why, you silly man, I said 'Yes. Yes I will.' And I meant it with all my heart. The widower was delighted. He felt his heart skip a beat. Then she continued, And I am so glad you called because I couldn't remember who asked me. -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
