Re: [lace] indoor UV
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the key word is fluorescent-lighted. Fluorescent lights give off a lot of UV. Incandescent (normal light bulbs) light has *much, much* less--that's why the light is so yellow-looking. We had UV filters on our fluorescent bulbs but not on incandescent ones. If you live in a house without fluorescents, sunscreen isn't much use. Halogen bulbs, hi-intensity bulbs, and true color bulbs all give off UV. Any idea how much UV, compared to sunlight? I live in a house that is almost entirely lit by those curly-Q fluorescents that fit where an incandescent bulb would go. So that raises another question: how much, if any, of the UV from a household fluorescent bulb would be filtered out by a glass ceiling shade? Lynn Carpenter in SW Michigan, USA alwen at i2k dot com http://lost-arts.blogspot.com/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: 8 Times its Weight in Gold
Tamara P Duvall wrote: On Jun 5, 2006, at 20:28, Aurelia Loveman wrote: I remember the teacher [...] telling us that we should reckon on making an inch per hour (a square inch? a running inch?). That is, indeed, an intriguing question, since there's _quite_ a difference between the two... There's also quite a difference between an inch (either square or running) of lace made with 60/2 linen and 140/2 cotton. And between an inch (again, either running or square) of grounded lace versus a tape lace. Those terms (an inch an hour, 8 times weight in gold) are eye-catching and memorable, but hardly _precise_ :) In addition to Santina Levy's book (quoted by Beth Schoenberg earlier) two other (and less expensive g) books offer some insight into the value of lace: Lace in Fashion by Pat Earnshaw and History of Lace by Mrs Bury Palliser. Palliser is more likely than Earnshaw to make some of those sweeping but rather imprecise (and often unsubstantiated) statements (I seem to remember something along the lines of: a pair of cuffs cost a village, though can't find the exact quote at the moment) but even she has lots of quotes from direct sources. The problem is that all the evaluations are all over the place -- different laces, different times, different countries/regions. It's difficult, if not impossible, to translate those into our current terms. And, as several people have pointed out (Aurelia and Rochelle), the price at which lace sold was not the price the lacemakers got for making it. I expect that no lacemaker ever starved, unlike some of her less-skilled sisters, but they were not paid princely wages either, even if their product was sold to princes (either of the realm or the church). IOW, Joyce, the go-between, the broker, might have sold your half-ounce piece of Chantilly for an arm and a leg, but _you_ would still have only got an equivalent of a small toe for all your effort :) Quite naturally, most of the books mention the sale prices, ie the upper end of the lacemaking. First, those are the numbers which are easier to find in various records -- marriage contracts, estate evaluations etc. Secondly, those numbers (and the association with the richest) are the ones which sound more impressive (Devon once said that an exhibit of Royal Laces would have a much better chance of happening than a plain vanilla Lace Through the Ages). So I found it very interesting to stumble upon the following quote in Mrs Palliser's book (I was trying to find the cuff and the village one g): 'When, in 1756, Mrs Calderwood visited the Béguinage at Brussels, she wrote to a friend describing the lace-making. A part of their work is grounding lace; the manufacture is very curious. One person works the flowers. They are all sold separate, and you will see a very pretty sprig, for which the worker only gets twelve sous [...]' (quote is from: Mrs Calderwood's Journey through Holland and Belgium, 1756. Printed by the Maitland Club) OK. I have no idea what one could buy for 12 sous in 1756 Brussels but, judging by the word only used in Mrs Calderwood's quote, it couldn't have ben much. OTOH, a sprig of Brussels lace flowers was likely to take more than a day to make, given the extraordinary fineness (Mrs Palliser) of the thread. And it required more skill than that involved in grounding. I'd hate to guess what the grounders got for their effort... are lacemakers so unskilled as to merit only a “minimum wage”? I think the concept of minimum wage (imposed on employers by the government) is relatively new -- probably less than 100yrs old. Before then, it was the unbridled market force (imposed on the employees by the employers) which dictated how much the lacemaker got for her efforts. Same as it is now -- in this particular instance -- which is why so few lacemakers can afford to make lace for sale and why most of us are amateurs. The minimum wage is an idea of 'New Labour'. So is very young. It now stands at just above £5 for 18 + years less for children. Even so employers do not all obey the law and find ways of getting round paying the full wage. Sheila in lovely sunshine in Sawbo'. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Hand on Demo
I am enjoying the talk about hands on for children. It just so happens that this week-end my 6 year old granddaughter took her first steps into bobbin lace. I am thrilled and look forward to suggestions on ways to keep her interested, and easy projects. Penny in Indiana - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re:OIDFA-congress
Dear lacefriends, Back in cold Hamburg and still not again used to it I try to write you a report. Some of you still knew that the travel agency stole me one day. So when I arrived on friday afternoon I had to hurry to get my tickets before OIDFA-dinner started. With buses they drove us to the waterline in Athens beautiful Yacht-club. There big round tables on the big lawn outside were set for us and lacefriends found each other sitting side by side chatting and waiting for the dinner. This tasted wonderful but the portions were huge and in the slowly coming darkness you couldn't see clearly and at the end I had eaten too much. Next morning after my breakfast I had with the Acropolis before my eyes I stated the big tour of exhibitions. Next to me was the Museum Of The History Of Greek Costumes. On the ground floor they presented several old pieces with different laces. One of them catched my eyes first the bobbin lace in FH-style reminded me on one I have seen in Scandinavia and one from Italy before. On the other wall were laceworks from Gabriele Grohmann decorated. But there are still other interestin things to seen. In one room there is acurtain from ceiling to bottom which adorned and isolated the bed from the rest of the house which is named sperveria. This curtain is decorated with wonderful embroideries. The motives of these embroideries you find on the ceramics as well. All the things women in former time used for spinning and weaving, printing textiles you can study there and all of them are over and over decorated with carvings or paintings. On another floor you see the puppets used for shadow-theater from the 16th century such ones are still in use today for critizising politics. In one big glass part they show cloths and things people used during the 12 days between Christmas eve and Epiphany and those resembled totaly to such things people use in the Alps still today. It's so astonishingly to find often the same customs in another place. But you can study there also lots of folkloristique cloths from different periods and defferent social parts of the population. And if you take your time you find on them lots of pieces made in Bibila-technique or needle lace done with the punto greco or bobbin lace as well as all sorts of embroideries. The jewelleries are remarkable as well and lots of other things. If you are sometimes in Athens went there it's worth to do so. The next point was the Benaki-Museum those in Koumbari Street 2. It was founded by Antonis Benakis (1873 - 1954) in 1930. Benakis started his collecting in Agypt were he lived before. And when he moved to Greece in 1926 he donated it to the Greek State. There we could see some of the origin pieces which Despina C. Koutsikas and Lila de Chaves described int the wonderful book The Greek Laces in the Victoria And Albert Museum in London . It was fascinating to see not only the perfect pictures but this time the origin pieces itself with only glass between the lace and the eye. Here too several Folk costumes for women an men are to see. All of them decorated with needle work, lace, white work, everything you knew. One of this lady's wore a small bolero which are very fashonable at the time here in Germany. Every time I am visiting such a museum I found some things the fashion-creator has taken for their big shows. How do we say in German - alles schon einmal da gewesen - everything was there before. And here and there a piece of lace in Reticella-technique or Bibila or wonderful embroideries. What fascinated me a lot was a painting of Crist white on white, all done in embroidery. But with every sort you can imagine or still some more. There are lots of other things too which haven't a relation to textile. Now I have to do the boring ironing, sorry. But the next part will come soon. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace]Value of lace.
I have just returned from OIDFA in Athens. In a shop selling household linens was the most beautiful table cloth in the window and we went inside to look. It was a 1 metre square white cloth with a 10 cm deep tape lace edging - hand made and the centre of the cloth was embroidered. The price was about 150 Euro's - I cannot remember exactly. What I do remember was that I thought that I certainly would not sell my handwork for that price!!! The saleslady said that the piece came from Crete as they made the finest bobbin lace in Greece. She said that there were also bigger cloths. I did buy a hand embroidered runner from Crete. So there are still people making lace and selling it! Jeanette Fischer, Western Cape, South Africa. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace]Value of lace.
I saw some lace for sale in Crete a few years ago. My photos are on Webshots http://www.webshots.com/ If you type Lace+Crete into the search box, they will come up. If this does not work I can invite anyone interested to view them if I have their email address. Certainly I thought it very underpriced for the work that went into it. Lindy in Ireland where the weather the past 6 days has been lovely and sunny. (As hot as 26 degrees some days!! and no rain!) - Original Message - From: Jeanette Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [lace]Value of lace. I have just returned from OIDFA in Athens. In a shop selling household linens was the most beautiful table cloth in the window and we went inside to look. It was a 1 metre square white cloth with a 10 cm deep tape lace edging - hand made and the centre of the cloth was embroidered. The price was about 150 Euro's - I cannot remember exactly. What I do remember was that I thought that I certainly would not sell my handwork for that price!!! The saleslady said that the piece came from Crete as they made the finest bobbin lace in Greece. She said that there were also bigger cloths. I did buy a hand embroidered runner from Crete. So there are still people making lace and selling it! Jeanette Fischer, Western Cape, South Africa. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re:OIDFA-congress
In a message dated 06/06/2006 16:54:49 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This tasted wonderful but the portions were huge and in the slowly coming darkness you couldn't see clearly and at the end I had eaten too much. That is absolutely the best excuse I have ever heard for eating too much. I'm glad you had a wonderful time; I would have liked to have been there but thought Moscow and Montreal were enough for one year. See you in Holland in 2008? Jacquie in Lincolnshire. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Cretan LAce at OIDFA COngress
Hi Jeanette and other Spiders I was inspired to make some Cretan lace myself and downloaded the book from the Digital Archives of Lace books and articles. http://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/topic_lace.html Koustouraki-Koukoulari, Kristina. Cretan Bobbin Lace [Kritiko Kopanelli], 1985, 43 pages. Note: Translation from the Greek. Provided by Tess Parrish. Needless to say it remains an unfinished project! Lindy in Ireland - Original Message - From: Jeanette Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [lace]Value of lace. I have just returned from OIDFA in Athens. In a shop selling household linens was the most beautiful table cloth in the window and we went inside to look. It was a 1 metre square white cloth with a 10 cm deep tape lace edging - hand made and the centre of the cloth was embroidered. The price was about 150 Euro's - I cannot remember exactly. What I do remember was that I thought that I certainly would not sell my handwork for that price!!! The saleslady said that the piece came from Crete as they made the finest bobbin lace in Greece. She said that there were also bigger cloths. I did buy a hand embroidered runner from Crete. So there are still people making lace and selling it! Jeanette Fischer, Western Cape, South Africa. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Tablet of Memory
Wow! Jenny B. I never thought of looking it up on the web Well done for finding it. The E-bay one for sale (so far at £49.99) is the 1809 edition, and has added material to 1803, I see. Beyond my pocket, I am afraid. Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
