[lace] Weaving Lace

[Gabriele Patzner]

Hello all,

when I stumbled across this website I remembered a fairly recent discussion 
about using bobbins to create woven structures. Here John Marshall creates lace 
on a loom and some of the diagrams have a very familiar look:

http://www.johnmarshall.to/H-TradTech-Karami.htm


Greetings from an excessively sunny Germany, 

Gabriele

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Re: [lace] Thomas Lester by Anne Buck

[Gabriele Patzner]

Hello,

I guess if I had had a teacher insisting on me learning straight Torchon if I 
all I wanted to do is some nice, flowery Beds, I’d not be as positive towards 
it, either.

I am sorry about the way things went with your friend, but I do wonder why she 
let that teacher frustrate her so much. It’s not like we were children who have 
to do what teacher says. We don’t even have to stay in class and often there 
isn’t a class anywhere near where we could learn what we want to. Look at 
yourself, learning about those different Point Ground Laces from books. 

So maybe she just needs a good Beds beginners' book and a bit of your 
encouragement and attitude?

Gabriele

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Re: [lace] Thomas Lester by Anne Buck

[Gabriele Patzner]

Susan wrote:

> Had to chuckle at another quote:  “Torchon, an unsophisticated lace of 
> repetitive geometric patterns based on diagonals with a heavy, five hole 
> mesh...”  Most of you know that Torchon is not my favorite & AB managed to 
> capture my sentiments in a nutshell. 

Are you prepared to discuss this with Jane Atkinson, Ulrike Voelcker, or maybe 
Mika Toyoda? Just to mention three who created very different, but remarkable 
Torchon designs. ;-)

Gabriele 

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Re: [lace] Flickr account for photos

[Gabriele Patzner]

Hello all,

like Susan (and I suppose many more) I wasn’t aware that cost for hosting the 
pics was carried by a single member. 

Thank you, Clay. 

I guess you had first offers of reimbursement and I would add mine to that. I 
just need to know who is able and willing to collect. If I give five dollars 
only 19 others need to do so and we financed a whole year on flickr for 
instance. 

Sending money to the other end of the world is really no problem with services 
like paypal existing. BTW: For making single payments paypal can be used 
without opening an account.

I suggest this because while for some the pruning of the archive is a valid 
idea - and maybe some photos really are put up only to illustrate a current 
discussion - others cherish the idea of having an archive.

And I suggest this because there are people working for flickr and those need 
to make a living and someone needs to pay for that. Server hosting does 
generate costs for machines, housing, and electricity, too. Let’s be aware of 
that and use it conciously. We are many, surely we can pay for a service that 
serves us well?

But as I understood this, this is not the only problem. There is the collecting 
and billing needing to be handled, and also the work on the account to be done. 
If there are no volunteers for that, then the only option is for everyone to 
get their very own flickr accounts (or whatever) and host their own photos - 
for free - and put up a link to it in their signatures.

Greetings, Gabriele

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Re: [lace] Expanding cloth stitch with weaving techniques

[Gabriele Patzner]

Hi,

Joseph Young  wrote:
> 
> Just wondering if any of you have contemplated using weaving techniques
> inside our bobbin lace! Obviously it would add complications, but I am
> sure it can be done.

I thought about that since I saw a scarf made by a member of the dutch design 
group “Kanteon” recently.
She had woven the main part in a style resembling bobbin lace and made bobbin 
lace with the warp ends.

It looked lovely, but she said the very open weave she chose to resemble bobbin 
lace making is too open, the threads shift within the fabric, especially since 
she chose a fine, very slick thread. On my remark about making the whole scarf 
with bobbins so you can add twists in alle dimensions, she rightly replied it 
would take too long and would be rather boring. I stored this in the back of my 
brain as a sort of challenge to be faced once I thought some more about it. ;-)

Anyway: Woven fabric usually is much more dense, especially the more intricate 
patterns. If you wanted to transfer that look to bobbin lace you would have to 
change the grid, which, in turn, would affect patterning in the more open lace 
part. There might be really interesting effects. 

I’d be pleased to be updated on your experiments, 

Gabriele

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Re: [lace] Demise of Fine Linen Lace, was Faery Lace

[Gabriele Patzner]

> Jane  wrote:
> 
>  I can only imagine what 240/2 must have been like.

There still was some 200/2 to be had at the end of last century. I bought a bit 
of it from Anna Kjems at Lorenzens Gaard. Martina Wolter-Kampmann, who measures 
and catalogues thread somewhat similar to Brenda Paternoster, must have gotten 
some, too, because in her book “Faden und Brief” it is listed with the same 
thickness as egyptian cotton 170/2. 

I never used it because I never felt I had the proper project to use it on. 
Also: I have no clue how much it is lengthwise and I’m afraid it’s not enough 
for an extensive piece of lace. I’d send it to one of you talented ladies 
researching and reconstructing lace, if you would have it. 

Gabriele

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Re: [lace] Aurifil 80

[Gabriele Patzner]

> This is the first I have heard that Aurifil comes in 80. The finest I know 
> about is Aurifil 50

It is fairly new, comes in 88 colours and here: 
https://www.kloeppel-werkstatt.de/produkt/aurifil-minispule-80wt/

they claim it is about the same thickness as egyptian cotton 80/2 

Gabriele

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Re: [lace] Yarn help, please.

[Gabriele Patzner]

> Am 04.01.2018 um 04:49 schrieb Sue Babbs :
> 
> Ravelry says that Schoeller Souvenir is now discontinued but was fingering 
> weight, with Gauge 29.0 to 38.0 sts = 4 inches (10cm) and Needle size US 1½ - 
> 2½ or 2.5 - 3mm.  It doesn't give wraps per inch

It does give length/weight, 195 m/50 g and it’s a cablé, which, apart from a 
different look, is spun a bit firmer. If you wrap it, it would most likely need 
slightly less wraps than most sock yarns on the market. 

In germany there still are cablès of similar quality around and ebay.de shows 
there are small batches of souvenir on sale. 

HTH, Gabriele

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Re: [lace] dates for bucks point

[Gabriele Patzner]

> Am 12.12.2017 um 10:49 schrieb Alex Stillwell :
>
> Thank you all for looking up possible dates for Bucks point. Your replies
are
> fascinating. All seem to indicate that the point ground laces developed the
> very end of the 18th and the beginning of the 19th century, i.e. when lace
> came back into fashion post French Revolution.

I found the remark, that “point de raccroc”, which to my knowledge is the
stitch to join point ground strips, was invented around 1780 by a worker of
Vaux sur Aure. (“Dentelle de Normandie / Normandy Lace” by Florence
Quinette).

The booklet “Tønder Kniplinger” by Meta Tønder gives 1800 - 1850 as
production date for danish point ground lace.

“A History of Hand-Made Lace” by M.F. Jackson claims that lace using fond
simple, was already made in Lille as early as 1582. I was a bit baffled, but
read for yourself:

https://books.google.de/books?id=ErINAwAAQBAJ=PA176=PA176=arras+lac
e=bl=LZFPLIL-wb=_s3pCNwNJkL4hjjOG8XtCoLXe2k=de=X=0ah
UKEwi4lp2_oITYAhUIL1AKHS1hA5MQ6AEIYDAM#v=onepage=arras%20lace=false


or: https://tinyurl.com/ybj6ezgj 

Gabriele

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Re: [lace] Spulfix bobbin winder for counter-clockwise winding

[Gabriele Patzner]

>  J Reardon  wrote:
> 
> If you don’t mind my asking, why is it important to wind the bobbins in a 
> particular direction for Idrija? (I know I probably spelled that wrong.)

Yes please, I would like to know that, too.
I was under the impression that bobbins were wound according to the twist auf 
the thread, S or Z - and that even that would not matter if you wind it on 
(turn the bobbin) rather than wrap it around (twist the thread around the 
bobbin).

Gabriele

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[lace] Size of block pillows

[Gabriele Patzner]

Hi All,

a question I can answer. :-)

In germany 19 cm x 19 cm and 9.5 cm by 19 cm blocks in a frame of roughly 58 cm 
x 58 cm have come to be a sort of standard. It is very convenient, as you can 
always buy or borrow extra blocks to use with your pillow in order to work on 
different things. Like making stars for christmas while class work rests safely 
pinned down on another block in a case on the shelf. :-)

Happy lacemaking, Gabriele

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Re: [lace] Ripon lace

[Gabriele Patzner]

> Am 23.08.2017 um 15:09 schrieb Sue Duckles :
> 
> We had them at a lace day a couple of years ago, and there was no email 
> address available then. 

He does now and he answered my query. He is willing to sell copies for Mary 
Moseley. He’s even got paypal, so I guess even overseas postage can be sorted 
out. It might just take a while, he’s not online very often.

Here it is: 

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