[lace] Arachne Anniversary

[lacel...@frontier.com]

Back then, my DH wanted to update my computer experience so he set up a
computer just for me.  He sat me down and told me "type in something".  I
typed Bobbin Lace. Arachne was one of the first things to come up.  I checked
it out, subscribed, and am still here.  I was on the Digest to start with
because I could use the computer limited times.  It came over our business
phone line so I could use it early mornings or evenings.  After I got a phone
line of my own and the computer was changed to it, I signed up for the main
Lace List to get the emails more promptly.  Sometimes I post, and sometimes
I'm quiet.
It's been fun 'meeting' people on the list, and then sometimes meeting them in
person.  I've learned many things about lace, and hope I helped a few
beginners when they had a problem.
On another subject --I have three students who are so enthusiastic that I am
having to hustle to keep ahead of them.  The third month they all wanted
second pillows. They work ahead in the book between classes so I never know in
advance how far each has gotten.  One has requested to learn Russian for her
next lace. To top off these interesting class sessions, we meet in a home and
they feed me lunch before the lessons.  After the lessons they send me home
sometimes with eggs (they have chickens) and last time included a couple
bottles of wine.  The DH of one of them makes ice wines.  Yum. 

Alice in Oregon -- where the rain is supposed to stop in a couple days and the
weather turn warm and sunny -- in the 70's.  A nice change from all the
rain.

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RE: [lace] Arachne Anniversary

[David C Collyer]

Dear Miriam,

I think I joined Arachne in 1998, not sure any more. I have met a lot of
lace makers this way,visited them in their homes while travelling and made
many new friends.

I will always treasure the beautiful bookmark you made for me back around
2000. You even worked my name into it.\
Many thanks
David Downunder in Ballarat, AUS

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Re: [lace] Arachne Anniversary

[Karen ZM]

On Tue, 17 Apr 2018 at 9:40 PM, miriam gidron 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Miriam said: I have met a lot of
> lace makers this way,visited them in their homes while travelling and made
> many new friends.
>
>
> I was lucky enough to meet Miriam when she came to Malta several years ago.


I also met a woman, who is now one of my closest friends, through Arachne.
I think we have known each other for about 14 years. Ironically enough, at
the time she lived just a three minute drive from where I lived, but we had
to meet through an international lace forum!

Suffice to say that I can’t imagine my life without Arachne messages to
read

Karen in Malta.

>

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[lace] Arachne Anniversary

[miriam gidron]

Hi,

I think I joined Arachne in 1998, not sure any more. I have met a lot of
lace makers this way,visited them in their homes while travelling and made
many new friends.

Arachne was a life saver for me as there was hardly anybody in Israel who
made lace at the time. I could ask for help and always got several answers.

I am not posting as much as I used to but I am reading every digest,

Keep up the good work and thank you to Avital who is moderating this list.

Miriam
in Arad, Israel

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RE: [lace] Arachne Anniversary

[David C Collyer]

Dear Friends,

I joined Arachne in late 1995 and made lots of friends throughout the world.
B I even visited their homes in Canada, Denmark, New Zealand and the UK

This comment from Janice reminded me that I've often meant to tell you all
that now that I am retired, if ever anyone wants to mind my house here in
Ballarat, Victoria, Australia for a month or 6 just ask. The main
responsibility would be to feed and cuddle the cat (Rocket). The house is on
0.25 of an acre of forest with permanent Australian bush behind and is only
a 10 minute walk from the centre of town.

I'll go away at the drop of a hat.

David Downunder

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Re: [lace] Arachne Anniversary-history

[robinlace]

Hi, Devon and fellow listmembers

I just tuned into this thread.  I joined Arachne sometime during its first 
year.  I remember when someone downloaded the membership list from 'the major', 
and found we had reached a membership of 400!  Most impressive, at the time.  
For a number of years, a member made anniversary bobbins and shuttles.  
Eventually it became too much of a burden and someone arranged for a bobbin 
maker not on the list (different one each year) to do the job.

As the century close approached, we discussed doing a millenium lace exhibit.  
It never got going.  But Arachne '98 did.  That was a face-to-face convention 
that Pat Hallam and Margaret (I'm blanking on her last name) were willing to 
put together.  We met at the U of Nottingham, had classes (like IOLI 
convention), a few vendors (different ones each evening), a tour of lace 
activity in the city (a remember the machine-knitted lace factory very well), 
and nightly raffles.  Another thing we did was try to raise funds for Luton 
museum to refurbish their famous Lace Dealer's Pattern Book.  We held a raffle 
among ourselves.  As I remember, they didn't need our contribution by the time 
we'd put it all together and I don't remember what the money went to.  Maybe 
just a donation to the museum?  Someone else may chime in on this.

We discussed whether we should be called arachnids (I absolutely refuse to be 
thought of as a spider!!), or arachneans.  There was also a thread back 
then about how many of us were in science or math, although I don't remember 
gaming or coding coming up much.

Back then I was a constant contributor to the discussions.  But life has gotten 
too hectic lately--I admit I often delete many of the Arachne messages and I 
rarely talk on the list any more, but thought I should put my 2 cents in on 
this one.  I feel like an old fogey sitting in my rocking chair reminiscing 
about the "good old days" and chewing my gums.

Robin P.
Los Angeles, California, USA
robinl...@socal.rr.com

Parvum leve mentes capiunt
(Little things amuse little minds)


 DevonThein  wrote: 
I was at an Arachne gathering at the Salt Lake City IOLI Convention and I
realized that many of the  younger members were computer gamers and some of
the older members seem to have been part of the Dungeons and Dragons crowd. 

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RE: [lace] Arachne Anniversary

[Brian Lemin]

HI, 

I have no idea when I joined or how I joined, but I do know this that my
early effort to study bobbins were a very collegiate approach with Arachne
members.  I have always remembered your willing help and contributions.
There is no doubt as to the value I put on my membership of this
enthusiastic group.

Thank you all very much.

Brian

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[lace] Arachne Anniversary

[Janice Blair]

I joined Arachne in late 1995 and made lots of friends throughout the world.
 I even visited their homes in Canada, Denmark, New Zealand and the UK.  It
is nice to put faces to names and is something we always do at our Arachne get
togethers at the IOLI convention.  I believe the first one was in Maryland
where I met Tamara.  We organized it in a local restaurant and I think we had
12 or 13 present. Restaurants are too small for us now and too hard to find in
another part of the country. Now we have had more than 30 attendees some years
and as we have a free raffle where people bring whatever they want to share,
 we quite often have enough prizes for everyone to take a reminder home.
I have not heard from any local Arachne for the San Antonio get together. Has
anyone else got news for us about a meeting time and place?
I love the information that we can share and have taken part in the Christmas
Exchange for many years, trying to come up with a new pattern each year.
 Janice Janice Blair Murrieta, CA, jblace.com

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RE: [lace] Arachne Anniversary

[David C Collyer]

G'day Karen,
I still have your most beautiful solid silver tatting shuttle which I'll
treasure for life. I reckon I got that in 1996 and believe it was the first
one you'd sold outside the USA.
Nice to know you're still here too.
David Downunder in Ballarat, AUS

 (No ranting/ravving/crying over the loss of the 'old Arachne' in this
post!) I got involved with Arachne in the mid 90's, pretty close to it's
arrival on the internet and it has been a vital part of my life for all
these decades. 
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Re: [lace] Arachne Anniversary

[Karen Bovard]

 (No ranting/ravving/crying over the loss of the 'old Arachne' in this post!)
I got involved with Arachne in the mid 90's, pretty close to it's arrival on
the internet and it has been a vital part of my life for all these decades. 
I'm a tatter and needlelacer and I can say I learned a lot about those lace
types here.  I have made friends throughout the world too.  On one trip to
Europe (wedding related) I asked about lace things in Berlin, Germany and
Copenhagen, Denmark.  In both cities I was invited to a lacemaker's home and
had the most enjoyable evening--both vying for being the most memorable part
of my trip.  
I can only hope that at some point, something I said was appreciated a little
bit to start to pay back for the huge amount of information and friendship I
have received from this list!!!
Karen Bovard SayreThe ShuttleSmithOmaha, NE/Council Bluffs,
IAhttp://www.TheShuttleSmith.com

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Re: [lace] Arachne Anniversary

[Elena Kanagy-Loux]

I’m really enjoying reading everyone’s lace origin and Arachne stories! Thank 
you all for sharing. 

3000 members on Arachne - wow, that’s impressive! I’m wondering, Avital, if you 
might be able to give us an updated count? I’m curious too!

Best,
Elena 

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[lace] Arachne Anniversary-history

[DevonThein]

I was at an Arachne gathering at the Salt Lake City IOLI Convention and I
realized that many of the  younger members were computer gamers and some of
the older members seem to have been part of the Dungeons and Dragons crowd. I
found myself wondering if the founding of Arachne had occurred because
lacemaking appeals to women with mathematical, scientific and coding
experience, and those women who were very computer knowledgeable  started an
internet list about lacemaking as a result.
Devon


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Re: [lace] Arachne Anniversary

[Tregellas Family]

I whole heartedly agree with everything Alice has said about Arachne, 
especially Liz and Avital.  I have made many friends around the globe 
through this list as my husband makes aluminium bobbins though not on 
such a large scale as he did before.

I was introduced to Arachne (after our son, who was in University at the 
time and knew all about the internet and hence managed to tell his two 
old folk what it was all about)  by a friend who joined in the first 
year, 1995.  Lorraine contacted me and said that there was a lady in 
Finland who wanted to know how to care for our aluminium bobbins.  Well 
that was a shock to both my DH and myself as we had no idea our bobbins 
had travelled so far. Apparently the lady won them in a raffle.

So, keep up the good work of the longest list on e-mail on the internet 
with regard to lacemaking in particular.  I read most days but don't 
always comment.  I particularly enjoy Jeri's research articles which are 
full of good sense especially in the archival parts.

I wonder if Tamara is still a member?  And it was nice to see David C 
mention Stormy Lee a while ago.

May we last for a long time yet.
Happy Lacemaking,
Shirley T.  -  in Adelaide, South Australia where we've had the first 
heavy rain shower since before Christmas and the ground is just so glad 
of the drink, but we do need much more.



On 13-Apr-18 4:44 PM, lacel...@frontier.com wrote:
> I found Arachne just after it's first anniversary so I'm not quite a charter 
> member but it was soon after I started making lace.
>
> The discussions gave me lots of good information and helped my lacemaking.  
> Then the group decided they wanted a conference so Arachne 98 was born.  
> Thanks to Pat and Margaret, we had 60 people from all over the world meet in 
> Nottingham for a week of fun and classes, including attending one of 
> England's large lace fairs.  This sounded so interesting that I decided to 
> attend. It was my first trip off my continent.
>
>
> A group of us met at the Victoria and Albert museum in London before the 
> conference.  I think there were a couple dozen or more.  We attended a lace 
> talk, and surprised the presenter.  She was used to only 2 or 3 people at a 
> time.  I even met a lacemaker who lives 30 miles from me who has since become 
> a good friend.
>
>
> The Arachne conversations have covered an enormous range of topics.  The 
> archives has much information for the person who wants to search a bit -- 
> from picots to tallies to Russian fillings,etc.
>
> We have had up to 3000 members at times.  I haven't seen a count for several 
> years so I don't know how many we are right now.
>
> In the beginning, there was only one list.  To separate the lace topics from 
> the other things, the Lace-Chat list was started.  All non-lace topics were 
> to be directed there (recipes, grandkids, vacations).  Each person can sign 
> up for either or both lists.
>
> We had Secret Pals for six-month intervals.  A non-identified gift was sent 
> once a month with the sender's name revealed in the last gift. We also had 
> the occasional ornament or bookmark exchange.  Once we had a hanky 
> (lace-edged, of course) exchange. That was in '98 because I exchanged mine in 
> Nottingham instead of mailing it.
>
> We all generally got along very well, but about twice a year someone would 
> say something that upset someone else, and there would be a short fuss. Liz, 
> our list owner, does not have time to monitor all that is said, so we got 
> Avital to be the Moderator, to step in when someone got testy.  Most 
> conversations are on topic and positive. I think we may be one of the longest 
> continuously active lists on the internet.
>
> Arachne has stimulated my lace interests and given me friends all around the 
> world.  It has led me to Europe twice, with a third trip in the planning.
>
>
> Happy Anniversary to Arachne -- and may it continue a long time.  Thank you, 
> Liz Reynolds.
>
> Alice in Oregon -- where it has been raining off and on for days with no 
> letup in sight.
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[lace] Arachne Anniversary

[lacel...@frontier.com]

I found Arachne just after it's first anniversary so I'm not quite a charter 
member but it was soon after I started making lace.

The discussions gave me lots of good information and helped my lacemaking.  
Then the group decided they wanted a conference so Arachne 98 was born.  Thanks 
to Pat and Margaret, we had 60 people from all over the world meet in 
Nottingham for a week of fun and classes, including attending one of England's 
large lace fairs.  This sounded so interesting that I decided to attend. It was 
my first trip off my continent.  


A group of us met at the Victoria and Albert museum in London before the 
conference.  I think there were a couple dozen or more.  We attended a lace 
talk, and surprised the presenter.  She was used to only 2 or 3 people at a 
time.  I even met a lacemaker who lives 30 miles from me who has since become a 
good friend.


The Arachne conversations have covered an enormous range of topics.  The 
archives has much information for the person who wants to search a bit -- from 
picots to tallies to Russian fillings,etc.

We have had up to 3000 members at times.  I haven't seen a count for several 
years so I don't know how many we are right now.

In the beginning, there was only one list.  To separate the lace topics from 
the other things, the Lace-Chat list was started.  All non-lace topics were to 
be directed there (recipes, grandkids, vacations).  Each person can sign up for 
either or both lists.

We had Secret Pals for six-month intervals.  A non-identified gift was sent 
once a month with the sender's name revealed in the last gift. We also had the 
occasional ornament or bookmark exchange.  Once we had a hanky (lace-edged, of 
course) exchange. That was in '98 because I exchanged mine in Nottingham 
instead of mailing it.

We all generally got along very well, but about twice a year someone would say 
something that upset someone else, and there would be a short fuss. Liz, our 
list owner, does not have time to monitor all that is said, so we got Avital to 
be the Moderator, to step in when someone got testy.  Most conversations are on 
topic and positive. I think we may be one of the longest continuously active 
lists on the internet.

Arachne has stimulated my lace interests and given me friends all around the 
world.  It has led me to Europe twice, with a third trip in the planning.  


Happy Anniversary to Arachne -- and may it continue a long time.  Thank you, 
Liz Reynolds.

Alice in Oregon -- where it has been raining off and on for days with no letup 
in sight.

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[lace] Arachne Anniversary

[Helene Ulrich]

On this special anniversary I would like to thank everyone for the
help and guidance they have given so many over the years.

If it was not for Arachne I would probably not have started my lace
making journey in the mid1990's -- long before Facebook. It is
through internet searches about lace making that I stumbled across
Arachne and though this group I was able to locate a teacher within a
reasonable distance to where I lived.   Have made some wonderful
friends through this group -- some I have met in person and others
have only connected with through emails and/or Facebook.

Thank you to whoever conceived the idea, and a special "Thank You' to
Avital for moderating for us to make sure we don't get overheated
during disagreements.

Helene Ulrich
Loris, SC, USA

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[lace] Arachne anniversary - was Holding spangles

[Jane Partridge]

In message 
af9d7c2e0904132148m5a70173fhabc9f585b0e24...@mail.gmail.com, Avital 
spind...@gmail.com writes

The list is 14 years old? Then I must be mistaken about when I joined.
I guess those diapers were older than I thought! OK, I have to join
the group that hasn't a clue, but I think it was probably at most
12-13 years that I've been on Arachne.


You were definitely on the list by Passover of the year your son was 
two, because I remember the episode you told us of using cinnamon to 
deter the column of ants he was busy crawling after! Your husband was 
away doing national service at the time, if I remember correctly, and 
you were struggling to move the cooker to clean everywhere in 
preparation. (I think it was the mental image of him and the ants that 
made it stick in my mind this long).


It seems unbelievable that he is now almost sixteen - thought it was 
only last year he had his bar mitzvah!

--
Jane Partridge

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Re: [lace] Arachne anniversary - was Holding spangles

[Clay Blackwell]

My GOODNESS!  Tamara knows the *day* she joined Arachne!  I must say 
that I remember very well the circumstances around my joining, and so 
can pin it down to the month and year, but I'm sure I'd never remember 
the day!!


Clay, a member since May 1998.


Tamara P Duvall wrote:

On Apr 12, 2009, at 19:32, Jane Partridge wrote:


Yours, since June 14 of '95,


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[lace] Arachne anniversary - when joined

[Alice Howell]

I joined May 24, 1996.  I remember because it was known on the list as Black 
Friday.  Majordomo crashed.When I got signed on, it was back up but all the 
messages for 3 days were What happened?  It was several days before 
conversation got back to lace topics so I could see what the List was really 
about.

My husband had just set up a computer for me and got it hooked up to the 
internet.  He made me sit down and said to Type something...anything  in 
Search.  I typed 'Bobbin lace'.. and the rest is history. 

Alice in Oregon -- where the weather is supposed to gradually get better and 
have a lovely weekend coming up.




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My GOODNESS!  Tamara knows the *day* she joined Arachne!  I must say that I 
remember very well the circumstances around my joining, and so can pin it down 
to the month and year, but I'm sure I'd never remember the day!!
Clay, a member since May 1998.

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Re: [lace] Arachne anniversary

[Lindy Taylour]

Hi Jacqui

Yes, I remember Pat's gavel!  That was a very special Convention in 
Nottingham.


It must have been about the same time as you that I joined Arachne.  I also 
read about it in 'Lace'.  I have remained a member all these years and it 
was wonderful to meet some Arachnids in Groningen at the OIDFA congress last 
year.


I don't always write much but I really enjoy all the advice offered on the 
list and the chat on Lace-chat.


Thank you all for 13 years of friendship and indeed, long may it continue!!

Lindy in Ireland

I also know the day I joined - Jan 28th 1996 - it was my DH's birthday and 
I had read about arachne in the Jan issue of 'Lace' - I ran Kate Cantor in 
the Shetland Islands to find out about it and I'm still here. I don't 
write too much because I am a lot busier these days, but I still read 
every day, and I have made many friends through arachne over the years, 
and the arachne convention in 1998 was a really memorable experience 
(anyone remember Pat's gavel) Long may we continue :-)))

Jacqui Southworth
www.larkholmelace.co.uk



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Re: [lace] Arachne anniversary

[Lynn Scott]

I can't remember the decade I joined, never mind the day, month or year.
Hubbie and I even have to check with our vet to see if our beloved dog is 12
or 13 today - never mind Arachne.  Although mostly a lurker, I have learned
so much from this list and made some very lovely friends.

Lynn S (expat Canadian in Wollongong, Australia)
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Re: [lace] Arachne anniversary

[Brenda Paternoster]

I can't remember when I joined, but I was on the Lace Guild Exec at the 
time; Sally Chapman told me about it.  I did two stints, 1992-1995 as 
an ordinary exec member and 1996-1999 as Hon Sec.


I don't remember the arachne convention in 1998 - probably had Exec 
business that evening.


On 13 Apr 2009, at 20:24, Jacqui Southworth wrote:

I also know the day I joined - Jan 28th 1996 - it was my DH's birthday 
and I had read about arachne in the Jan issue of 'Lace' - I ran Kate 
Cantor in the Shetland Islands to find out about it and I'm still 
here. I don't write too much because I am a lot busier these days, but 
I still read every day, and I have made many friends through arachne 
over the years, and the arachne convention in 1998 was a really 
memorable experience (anyone remember Pat's gavel) Long may we 
continue :-)))




Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html

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Re: [lace] Arachne anniversary - was Holding spangles

[Avital]

The list is 14 years old? Then I must be mistaken about when I joined.
I guess those diapers were older than I thought! OK, I have to join
the group that hasn't a clue, but I think it was probably at most
12-13 years that I've been on Arachne. Even with my housekeeping
standards I can't imagine hanging on to old disposable diapers for
more a year or so! (And why? Babies don't grow backwards, so it wasn't
like they were going to fit him again)

Avital,
tired from bad allergies


On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:32 AM, Jane Partridge
jpartri...@pebble.demon.co.uk wrote:
 Bev wrote:
Hi all
 Has it really been 12 years since Liz started this list...

 Noelene  Lafferty and writes

 And Happy Birthday to us all, 12 years is pretty good going.

 I always thought 2009 - 1995 was 14, not 12 :-)

 (Or am I not quite so long in the tooth as I thought I was - it was July 95
 when I joined).

 --
 Jane Partridge

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[lace] Arachne anniversary, housekeeping

[bev walker]

Hi all
Has it really been 12 years since Liz started this list... I'm really glad
she left it open, that lacemakers could benefit exchanging discussion on
many topics of interest in a cooperative atmosphere. When it became
necessary she designated one of us as board administrator, thank you Avital
(who *volunteered*, as I recall, double thanks) ;)
There is some behind-the-scenes work to this, yes.
A note about the board software: it is 'Majordomo' a mailing list manager,
based on e-mail, and a process that is old by today's web environment. Even
so many user groups still rely on it.

The beauty of it, it still works.

I noticed a lot of messages lately are replies-to some several times over,
and the appended personal and list signatures are oft repeated. My free
advice for today: It is a good idea when replying directly, to check that
you aren't quoting heaps of unnecessary text ;)

It can be easy to miss the real message in all the quotation. For those on
lace-digest they receive 22K of accumulated messages,  a nice read, but not
much fun when it is just one or two messages with quoted quotes and list
headers!

Happy Anniversary Arachne, Lace On

-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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[lace] Arachne anniversary - was Holding spangles

[Jane Partridge]

Bev wrote:
Hi all
Has it really been 12 years since Liz started this list...

Noelene  Lafferty and writes

And Happy Birthday to us all, 12 years is pretty good going.


I always thought 2009 - 1995 was 14, not 12 :-)

(Or am I not quite so long in the tooth as I thought I was - it was July 
95 when I joined).


--
Jane Partridge

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Re: [lace] Arachne anniversary - was Holding spangles

[bev walker]

I knew that wasn't quite right, just wondered if anyone was reading
carefully vbg  Probably Noelene thought the same v v bg

It was last year there was a brief discussion of a commem. bobbin for the
13th anniversary. A few came forward to say they would buy one if there was
one, one or two came forward to say they would sell one if there was
interest...another camp put forth the idea that we could each figure out our
own commemorative...and there it went. So I'm not mentioning the topic again
this year.

:D


On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Jane Partridge 
jpartri...@pebble.demon.co.uk wrote:

 Bev wrote:
 Hi all
 Has it really been 12 years since Liz started this list...

 Noelene  Lafferty and writes

 And Happy Birthday to us all, 12 years is pretty good going.


 I always thought 2009 - 1995 was 14, not 12 :-)


-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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RE: [lace] Arachne anniversary - was Holding spangles

[Noelene Lafferty]

Thanks Jane and Robin, 14 years it is, and I've been a member for 13 of
them.

It's a shame we don't have commemoratives any more, but it really is hard
work trying to organise it, so for the last couple of years I've made my
own, by writing on a plain bobbin with a micro tip pen, putting on a sticker
(I can't paint) and covering it all with clear nail polish.

Noelene in Cooma
nlaffe...@ozemail.com.au
 
 I always thought 2009 - 1995 was 14, not 12 :-)
 (Or am I not quite so long in the tooth as I thought I was - it was July
 95 when I joined).
 Jane Partridge

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Re: [lace] Arachne anniversary - was Holding spangles

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Apr 12, 2009, at 19:32, Jane Partridge wrote:


Bev wrote:
Hi all
Has it really been 12 years since Liz started this list...

Noelene  Lafferty and writes

And Happy Birthday to us all, 12 years is pretty good going.


I always thought 2009 - 1995 was 14, not 12 :-)


That's what I thought too but, since maths has never been my best 
friend -- not even in the arithmetics subcategory -- I just assumed 
there was a trick to it that I never mastered. Or maybe something to do 
with differences in international ways of calculating totals ...


Yours, since June 14 of '95,
--
Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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