[lace] Luton Museum Volunteers. Wardown Park. Can you help please?
Many years ago I was in contact with a few of you. are you still around? You may remember I studied bobbins there for a week. can't remember when! I understand that Wardown Park is closed for refurbishing and I presume that the collection is in store or other disarray. I have a written (email) to the Museum a couple of times enquiring about the "Richard Dillingham - Transported bobbin", a picture of which appears in Alice-May Bullocks book (Page 95. name spelt incorrectly). Lace and Lace Making . If in fact any of you volunteers do have a personal contact that might be able by: 1. Confirming its existence, possibly from the accession register? And 2. Personally chat to someone about my request for back and front photographs (so we can see "all" the inscription) for academic publication. I have written the article on him now and only used the Bedford Museum (Higgins) photograph in it, but I think it would be great if I could include the Wardown Park picture too, especially as they have been so kind to me over the years. A voice from the past. It will be nice to hello to you again. Smile. Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Luton museum
During 1996 four of us had a lace tour with Liz Bartlett and visited all the Midlands museums. One museum had a display of a lacemaker sitting in a cottage making lace and Liz was most upset by the display as she did not consider it a true reflection of the conditions lacemakers worked under. I think this was the Luton Museum and it was the most charming museum of them all. She said the room was too grand, the lacemaker was dressed too smartly and she also was wearing a lace collar which was unlikely. She was also working on a Beds piece with a Bucks piece lying around - both difficult patterns and she said any lacemaker ever worked only one or two patterns in her life and did not go from one kind of lace to another as we do. We , ignorami from South Africa, thought it was a lovely display!!! We thought that most people would just enjoy the display but Liz said that being a museum it should be factually correct. One museum had a lovely display of pincushions. I have all this on video but the video player has decided to stop working so I cannot check to see which museum it was. But I do think that I saw the bobbins because Liz then gave a talk on the hanging bobbins. Factually correct or not, it was a most enjoyable trip. How does the saying go - Been there, done that, forgotten most of it!! Jeanette Fischer, Western Cape, South Africa. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Luton museum/Bedford
Hello Jeanette Yes that would be Luton though I'm not sure the room setting is still there. I think the only other such setting was at the former Alby Lace Museum in Norfolk. The story regarding a worker only producing one or two patterns in her life I've heard before and find rather hard to comprehend as there are lace workers sample books/collections in existence - I have a very basic one that came from a lace worker from Weedon in Northamptonshire. Just a sheet of blue paper with 7 samples stitched to it, a collection of 3 Torchon, 1 narrow Bucks and 3 Bedfordshire. Given the life span of quite a few of the old lacemakers surely they would have needed to keep up with changes in 'fashion trends' to a certain extent. A local news channel last week featured the opening of the new art gallery at Bedford in a converted building somewhere near the old gallery/museum - all part of a larger complex I believe. There was no mention of the Cecil Higgins and Bedford Museum, possibly in time these will also form part of aforesaid complex. Diana in Northamptonshire where today Spring has sprung - but will probably go back to sleep tomorrow!! - Original Message - From: jeanette jeane...@maxitec.co.za To: arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:03 PM Subject: [lace] Luton museum During 1996 four of us had a lace tour with Liz Bartlett and visited all the Midlands museums. One museum had a display of a lacemaker sitting in a cottage making lace and Liz was most upset by the display as she did not consider it a true reflection of the conditions lacemakers worked under. I think this was the Luton Museum and it was the most charming museum of them all. She said the room was too grand, the lacemaker was dressed too smartly and she also was wearing a lace collar which was unlikely. She was also working on a Beds piece with a Bucks piece lying around - both difficult patterns and she said any lacemaker ever worked only one or two patterns in her life and did not go from one kind of lace to another as we do. We , ignorami from South Africa, thought it was a lovely display!!! We thought that most people would just enjoy the display but Liz said that being a museum it should be factually correct. One museum had a lovely display of pincushions. I have all this on video but the video player has decided to stop working so I cannot check to see which museum it was. But I do think that I saw the bobbins because Liz then gave a talk on the hanging bobbins. Factually correct or not, it was a most enjoyable trip. How does the saying go - Been there, done that, forgotten most of it!! Jeanette Fischer, Western Cape, South Africa. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Luton museum/Bedford
But surely there were women with leisure enough to make lace for pleasure, as we do? And so a scene showing a nicely dressed woman who knew how to make more than one kind of lace is not unrealistic in my opinion. The awful picture of poor women and children who could only keep body and soul together by laboring under difficult conditions until their eyes gave out is thankfully not the whole story of our favorite pasttime. Regina New York - Original Message - From: jeanette jeane...@maxitec.co.za To: arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:03 PM Subject: [lace] Luton museum During 1996 four of us had a lace tour with Liz Bartlett and visited all the Midlands museums. One museum had a display of a lacemaker sitting in a cottage making lace and Liz was most upset by the display as she did not consider it a true reflection of the conditions lacemakers worked under. I think this was the Luton Museum and it was the most charming museum of them all. She said the room was too grand, the lacemaker was dressed too smartly and she also was wearing a lace collar which was unlikely. She was also working on a Beds piece with a Bucks piece lying around - both difficult patterns and she said any lacemaker ever worked only one or two patterns in her life and did not go from one kind of lace to another as we do. We , ignorami from South Africa, thought it was a lovely display!!! We thought that most people would just enjoy the display but Liz said that being a museum it should be factually correct. One museum had a lovely display of pincushions. I have all this on video but the video player has decided to stop working so I cannot check to see which museum it was. But I do think that I saw the bobbins because Liz then gave a talk on the hanging bobbins. Factually correct or not, it was a most enjoyable trip. How does the saying go - Been there, done that, forgotten most of it!! Jeanette Fischer, Western Cape, South Africa. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Luton museum
In my opinion acid free paper is the way to go. And definitely, I wouldn't use plastic, however, a carton box lined with acid free paper, and the same paper use for inside the folds of the garment would work. Isabel. Isabel Wear Realtor Sutton Group - West Coast 7547 Cambie Street Vancouver, BC V6P 3H6 Mobile: 604-377-3475 E-mail: isabel.w...@shaw.ca -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of jeanette Sent: April-03-09 9:03 AM To: arachne Subject: [lace] Luton museum During 1996 four of us had a lace tour with Liz Bartlett and visited all the Midlands museums. One museum had a display of a lacemaker sitting in a cottage making lace and Liz was most upset by the display as she did not consider it a true reflection of the conditions lacemakers worked under. I think this was the Luton Museum and it was the most charming museum of them all. She said the room was too grand, the lacemaker was dressed too smartly and she also was wearing a lace collar which was unlikely. She was also working on a Beds piece with a Bucks piece lying around - both difficult patterns and she said any lacemaker ever worked only one or two patterns in her life and did not go from one kind of lace to another as we do. We , ignorami from South Africa, thought it was a lovely display!!! We thought that most people would just enjoy the display but Liz said that being a museum it should be factually correct. One museum had a lovely display of pincushions. I have all this on video but the video player has decided to stop working so I cannot check to see which museum it was. But I do think that I saw the bobbins because Liz then gave a talk on the hanging bobbins. Factually correct or not, it was a most enjoyable trip. How does the saying go - Been there, done that, forgotten most of it!! Jeanette Fischer, Western Cape, South Africa. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Luton museum/Bedford
I believe that there were plenty of women with leisure enough to do genteel handwork, yes; but I also believe that bobbin lacemaking would not have been one of those handcrafts. Our craft would have been considered suitable only for the lower classes. The reason I believe this is the reaction of my mother when I told her I was learning to make lace. She looked as if there was a bad smell under her nose, and said Well, and how many yards have you made? That was in the early 1980s - she lived from 1913 to 2007. Although she knitted, crocheted and sewed both clothes and embroideries, she was totally dismissive of bobbin lace. Margery. margerybu...@o2.co.uk in North Hertfordshire, UK -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Regina Haring Sent: Friday 03 April 2009 18:59 To: Arachne Subject: Re: [lace] Luton museum/Bedford But surely there were women with leisure enough to make lace for pleasure, as we do? And so a scene showing a nicely dressed woman who knew how to make more than one kind of lace is not unrealistic in my opinion. The awful picture of poor women and children who could only keep body and soul together by laboring under difficult conditions until their eyes gave out is thankfully not the whole story of our favorite pasttime. Regina New York - Original Message - From: jeanette jeane...@maxitec.co.za To: arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:03 PM Subject: [lace] Luton museum During 1996 four of us had a lace tour with Liz Bartlett and visited all the Midlands museums. One museum had a display of a lacemaker sitting in a cottage making lace and Liz was most upset by the display as she did not consider it a true reflection of the conditions lacemakers worked under. I think this was the Luton Museum and it was the most charming museum of them all. She said the room was too grand, the lacemaker was dressed too smartly and she also was wearing a lace collar which was unlikely. She was also working on a Beds piece with a Bucks piece lying around - both difficult patterns and she said any lacemaker ever worked only one or two patterns in her life and did not go from one kind of lace to another as we do. We , ignorami from South Africa, thought it was a lovely display!!! We thought that most people would just enjoy the display but Liz said that being a museum it should be factually correct. One museum had a lovely display of pincushions. I have all this on video but the video player has decided to stop working so I cannot check to see which museum it was. But I do think that I saw the bobbins because Liz then gave a talk on the hanging bobbins. Factually correct or not, it was a most enjoyable trip. How does the saying go - Been there, done that, forgotten most of it!! Jeanette Fischer, Western Cape, South Africa. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Luton museum/Bedford
Not so much here in Malta though. The noblewomen who had maids to look after the house, cooks to feed them and nannies to look after the children would spend time working lace. Antoine de Favray has painted quite a number of these ladies dressed in their fine clothes and wearing lovely collars, cuffs and wimples adorned with lace and their upright-bolster type lace pillows on their laps. Karen in Malta -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Margery Allcock Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 10:46 PM To: Arachne Subject: RE: [lace] Luton museum/Bedford I believe that there were plenty of women with leisure enough to do genteel handwork, yes; but I also believe that bobbin lacemaking would not have been one of those handcrafts. Our craft would have been considered suitable only for the lower classes. The reason I believe this is the reaction of my mother when I told her I was learning to make lace. She looked as if there was a bad smell under her nose, and said Well, and how many yards have you made? That was in the early 1980s - she lived from 1913 to 2007. Although she knitted, crocheted and sewed both clothes and embroideries, she was totally dismissive of bobbin lace. Margery. margerybu...@o2.co.uk in North Hertfordshire, UK -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Regina Haring Sent: Friday 03 April 2009 18:59 To: Arachne Subject: Re: [lace] Luton museum/Bedford But surely there were women with leisure enough to make lace for pleasure, as we do? And so a scene showing a nicely dressed woman who knew how to make more than one kind of lace is not unrealistic in my opinion. The awful picture of poor women and children who could only keep body and soul together by laboring under difficult conditions until their eyes gave out is thankfully not the whole story of our favorite pasttime. Regina New York - Original Message - From: jeanette jeane...@maxitec.co.za To: arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:03 PM Subject: [lace] Luton museum During 1996 four of us had a lace tour with Liz Bartlett and visited all the Midlands museums. One museum had a display of a lacemaker sitting in a cottage making lace and Liz was most upset by the display as she did not consider it a true reflection of the conditions lacemakers worked under. I think this was the Luton Museum and it was the most charming museum of them all. She said the room was too grand, the lacemaker was dressed too smartly and she also was wearing a lace collar which was unlikely. She was also working on a Beds piece with a Bucks piece lying around - both difficult patterns and she said any lacemaker ever worked only one or two patterns in her life and did not go from one kind of lace to another as we do. We , ignorami from South Africa, thought it was a lovely display!!! We thought that most people would just enjoy the display but Liz said that being a museum it should be factually correct. One museum had a lovely display of pincushions. I have all this on video but the video player has decided to stop working so I cannot check to see which museum it was. But I do think that I saw the bobbins because Liz then gave a talk on the hanging bobbins. Factually correct or not, it was a most enjoyable trip. How does the saying go - Been there, done that, forgotten most of it!! Jeanette Fischer, Western Cape, South Africa. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Luton museum/Bedford
Certainly Miss Channer as the daughter of a country parson would have fitted into this category. Part of her education took place in Switzerland but she went on to learn the craft of lacemaking to the extent that she became the 'expert' most lacemakers would recognise by name. She was a member of the Midlands Lace Association but as far as I'm aware none of the other 'ladies' of the committee could actually make lace. Mrs Georgina Roberts wife of the vicar of Spratton and her daughter Margaret were both lacemakers, and of course the book Lace-making in the Midlands was written by Miss Channer and Miss Roberts. Mrs Roberts also produced a book of instructions for lacemaking with the help of the lacemakers of Spratton. Diana in Northants - Original Message - From: Regina Haring rmhar...@optimum.net To: Arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Luton museum/Bedford But surely there were women with leisure enough to make lace for pleasure, as we do? And so a scene showing a nicely dressed woman who knew how to make more than one kind of lace is not unrealistic in my opinion. The awful picture of poor women and children who could only keep body and soul together by laboring under difficult conditions until their eyes gave out is thankfully not the whole story of our favorite pasttime. Regina New York - Original Message - From: jeanette jeane...@maxitec.co.za To: arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 5:03 PM Subject: [lace] Luton museum During 1996 four of us had a lace tour with Liz Bartlett and visited all the Midlands museums. One museum had a display of a lacemaker sitting in a cottage making lace and Liz was most upset by the display as she did not consider it a true reflection of the conditions lacemakers worked under. I think this was the Luton Museum and it was the most charming museum of them all. She said the room was too grand, the lacemaker was dressed too smartly and she also was wearing a lace collar which was unlikely. She was also working on a Beds piece with a Bucks piece lying around - both difficult patterns and she said any lacemaker ever worked only one or two patterns in her life and did not go from one kind of lace to another as we do. We , ignorami from South Africa, thought it was a lovely display!!! We thought that most people would just enjoy the display but Liz said that being a museum it should be factually correct. One museum had a lovely display of pincushions. I have all this on video but the video player has decided to stop working so I cannot check to see which museum it was. But I do think that I saw the bobbins because Liz then gave a talk on the hanging bobbins. Factually correct or not, it was a most enjoyable trip. How does the saying go - Been there, done that, forgotten most of it!! Jeanette Fischer, Western Cape, South Africa. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Luton museum Volunteers
A few years ago I was corresponding with a group of lace makers that volunteered to work with the bobbin collection at the Luton museum. I have at last done something with my photos and would like to be in touch again. Can you drop me a note please? br...@exemail.com.au -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 5.8 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 103 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Luton museum
The museum at Luton is called Wardown Park and is actually in a park of the same name. Try this [EMAIL PROTECTED] Diana in a wet and stormy Northamptonshire - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Luton Museum
Has anyone been to the Luton Museum to see the lace collection since it moved to the ground floor? I saw it a couple of times in the past (pre-move), and I've seen quite a bit of the reserve collection. So I'm wondering if it will be worth my while visiting it when I'm in London in May. Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
