Re: [lace] Miss Channer's Mat
I had my notes on the Mat all written up, and ... poof.gone. I'll try to recap it. Bobbins. The story I heard was 500 bobbins. I wound 270 pair (540). I used them all, since they were wound. Some more than once. I like fairly solid cloth stitch so added in lots and had to throw them out when I came to the ground sections. I wound about a yard on each one. Sometimes I used only an inch of thread. After going through the wound bobbins, I just tied two threads together and wound the knot down to a bobbin. I wouldn't have needed all the bobbins since a lot of the spent their time in a box.The most I had on the pillow at one time was about 300 on the widest center section. Probably around 400 would be adequate for the project. Gimp. I don't remember. Maybe 6-8 pair, but I had extra bobbins and lots of gimp thread on hand, and wound up more as needed. Some of them were used only a short time, but lots of gimp trails went quite a ways. I tried to use continuous gimps which often required gimp loops. If you use loops instead of lots of short gimps, wind plenty on your bobbins. Have plenty of gimp thread on hand. It uses a lot. Thread. The sample on the pattern papers was made in cotton 100. I thought it looked a bit skimpy so I used 70, which I had a lot on hand. I would suggest 80 for a nice but still dainty product. It's only a tad thicker than the 70. Pattern error. There are four large flowers around the center section. One of the side ones has a gimp line error. Note that there are petals curving up both sides of the flower middle. The gimp should follow the edge of the petals. On one flower, the gimp lines cross where the petals are closest together. You may want to redraw the lines to match the other 3 flowers. Use a large pillow. You need space at each side to hold the bobbins. I used Midlands and had knitting stitch holders that went through the spangles to herd the bobbins in order. The filled holders were stacked on each side of my pillow. I used long stick pins to keep the stacks from sliding around. (I had a wide roller pillow with a 14 inch roller that I used. I had nice wide areas at each end of the roller to stack bobbins.) Yes, David did his Mat in black. I saw his when he was visiting here in the USA a couple years ago. He used black silk but shrank the pattern a bit to fit his thread. Black is hard to work with. I don't recommend it on this project unless you want a really hard challenge. I also suggest working the pattern 'from the back'. There are some flowers or motifs with tallies on top. It is easier to work if you do the tallies first, then do the half stitch on top of them. This makes the 'front' of the pattern be facing down. If there weren't any tallies, there would be no front or back to the Mat. I forgot this suggestion and worked the tallies on top. That's much harder. Next time maybe I'll remember. Just take the pattern a half square inch at a time. It's all basic flower Bucks techniques. Have patience. It takes a while to work through the whole pattern, but very pretty when done. I did my Mat in 400 hours. It may feel like 1000 but isn't quite. Alice in Oregon -- where the sun is shining but it's not yet really warm, and I spend my days in my house and yard. Getting many little chores done, and working on craft projects. On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 11:11:08 AM PDT, Malvary Cole wrote: I had a look back in Arachne Lace Archives and there are several (many) references to this subject. One item says - 200+ pairs of bobbins. Another, and this is copied and quoted from 2004 "Drum roll! After 2 years, 9 months Over 1000 hours 500+ bobbins More pins than you can shake a stick at! On Monday, March 1st,10:30 P.M. I finished Miss Channers Mat. Does anyone else go thru post-partum depression after a big project? So before you start, make sure you have enough bobbins. Malvary in Ottawa where it isn't bad to be house-bound because it has been snowing again today. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Miss Channer's Mat
I had a look back in Arachne Lace Archives and there are several (many) references to this subject. One item says - 200+ pairs of bobbins. Another, and this is copied and quoted from 2004 "Drum roll! After 2 years, 9 months Over 1000 hours 500+ bobbins More pins than you can shake a stick at! On Monday, March 1st,10:30 P.M. I finished Miss Channers Mat. Does anyone else go thru post-partum depression after a big project? So before you start, make sure you have enough bobbins. Malvary in Ottawa where it isn't bad to be house-bound because it has been snowing again today. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Miss Channer's Mat, newest
Devon wrote: I suppose that in that if Crowood cannot find the art work for the mat, it might be necessary for someone to send them one of the original unused copies if they were to reprint it. If they were prepared to make a copy from an unused pricking, I'm sure most would be happy just to have it printed on paper and not necessarily on buff card as the original was and prick it themselves. This would make it very cheap for them to produce. Jean Nathan in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Miss Channer's mat, copyright
Yes, it's in copyright until the end of 2019. I was burning too much midnight oil! Brenda On 8 Jan 2014, at 01:16, Clay Blackwell wrote: Make that 2019... Brenda in Allhallows www.brendapaternoster.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Miss Channer's mat, copyright
From Ancestry.co.uk The National Probate Calendar (index of Wills and Administrations) 1858-1966 has: CHANNER, Catherine Campbell of Flat 1, Green-lane Clapham Bedfordshire spinster died 10 March 1949 at the County Hospital Bedford. Probate [granted at] Birmingham 29 July to Herbert Nathaniel Hall retired solicitors managing clerk. Effects £137-19s-4d. Herbert Nathaniel Hall was her executor, he may, or may not, have been a beneficiary. If anyone wants to apply for her Will (or just the administration if she didn't leave a Will) download the application form from http://hmctsformfinder.justice.gov.uk/courtfinder/forms/pa001s-eng.pdf and send a UK cheque for £6 to the address on the form (which is in Leeds). The value of her estate was very modest, certainly not enough to have owned her own home. She was born in Devon in 1874, the daughter of a Church of England vicar, and was living at home with her parents in 1911 (aged 37) although she was not with them in 1901. Her mother, also named Catherine, died in in Warwick in 1934 aged 89 and her father Edgar Channer died in 1939 aged 88 in Bedford. Anything designed/published by Miss Channer will be copyrighted to her heirs until 31st December 1919 (as Jean says, 70 years from the end of the year in which she died). After that they will be in the public domain. Brenda On 7 Jan 2014, at 22:49, dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: Do we really have any idea who the rights holder is to the original pattern? Did Miss Channer do the work for hire for a school, in which case they or their successors own the copyright. Or did she leave her estate including copyrights to her children, or other family members, since she is known as Miss Channer? Brenda in Allhallows www.brendapaternoster.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Miss Channer's mat, copyright
Make that 2019... Sent from my iPad On Jan 7, 2014, at 8:07 PM, Brenda Paternoster paternos...@appleshack.com wrote: Birmingham - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Miss Channer's Mat -- copyright
Thank you very much Lynn, for your thorough and professional review of the subject. I think that our tri-, quatra-, ses-...-tenail discussion of this mat has been exhaustive, as usual, and hope it can be put to rest. As Devon has expressed, I find this piece to be less than thrilling, at any rate. There are many more stunning patterns available, so why bother to try for something of inferior design, just because the pricking is hard to find!? Clay Clay Blackwell Virginia, USA Sent from my iPad On Jan 7, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Lyn Bailey lynrbai...@desupernet.net wrote: Dear All, If I were advising someone who came to me to find out if she should risk using an illegal pricking for Miss Channer's mat, I would go through the usual explanation of the law, which, I must admit, I do not know, since my area of expertise is in criminal defense and family law. I would point out the worst possible case. I would point out what could be done. I would point out that all the penalties involved, which, the way it is in the US, at least, would be civil, that is, money, a reimbursement of profits. I would, however, also point out that she would have to be caught. If you publish the pricking with or without the idea of sale, we know there is someone out there who will sue, as has been done when a book was published. However, morals and ethics aside for a moment, if one makes the mat and puts it in a frame or a tray to use in one's home, what is the chance obeing caught? Are your friends who come to tea going to rat on you? Even if I spoke about my project o! n Arachne, what are the chances of the prosecutor in the book publishing case coming into my home or writing me to demand that I show proof that I used a 'legal' pricking? It is not, I think, really worth the effort of the prosecutor in that situation, if they ever got wind of the situation. Profits from the publication of a book are one thing. What monetary advantage do I get from using an illegal pricking. In the US at least, I am not going to jail in these circumstances. I am not, of course, advocating that people act in a way which is contrary to the law, but I believe it is a question that might be asked in this particular situation. It is not a situation where someone is being deprived of the profits of an item in print. Is this a slippery slope? The thin edge of the wedge? Is anyone being harmed? Does my client want to be involved in this? That is, more or less. up to her. Another point is that one might write to those we think might be the possessor of the copyright and ask if one may use the pricking for one's personal use to make a mat. Who knows, they might just give permission. Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where they tell us the dangerous cold is over, and now it's just very cold. Even my Newfoundland dog did not want to be outside for very long, and she likes to lie down and sleep in the snow. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Miss Channer's mat, copyright
This is where it gets tricky. The original mat design would be copyrighted until 70 after death however, because the Ruth Bean in has been published the copyright on the original is mute because the two are extremely similar anyone making a copy from Miss Channer's original design without her pricking or the Ruth bean published on would now infringe the Ruth Bean published one. You have to be careful that you don't go down a rabbit hole focusing only on the original one. This is a complicated argument now because two version exist and copyright infringement exists across BOTH. Kind Regards Liz Baker On 8 Jan 2014, at 01:07, Brenda Paternoster paternos...@appleshack.com wrote: Anything designed/published by Miss Channer will be copyrighted to her heirs until 31st December 1919 (as Jean says, 70 years from the end of the year in which she died). After that they will be in the public domain. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Miss Channer's Mat -- copyright
I have been following this dicussion about the infamous mat and have come to the conclusion that Miss Channer's mat is like Everest - it is there so it has to be made,come what may!! Jeanette Fischer, Western Cape, South Africa. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Miss Channer's mat pricking and Pope's cope
I think that Jean has just told us where to go for information on copyright of the pricking. If it has been adapted by Pat Bury then the copyright will have started for that pricking, with her. She may have sold it to Ruth Bean, or licensed it to her but this should be, as others have said, our starting point Kind Regards Liz Baker On 5 Jan 2014, at 08:25, Jean Nathan jean...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: I've just noticed that on the bottom of my pricking of Miss Channer's mat is printed Pricking adapted by Patricia Bury from an earlier copy in her collection - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Miss Channer's mat pricking and Pope's cope
Liz wrote: I think that Jean has just told us where to go for information on copyright of the pricking. If it has been adapted by Pat Bury then the copyright will have started for that pricking, with her. She may have sold it to Ruth Bean, or licensed it to her but this should be, as others have said, our starting point Or Ruth Bean might have commissioned and paid Patricia Bury to produce the pricking for her and that is why Ruth Bean holds the copyright on it. I doubt that Patricia Bury would be willing to make a another different adaption from the one she has in her collection. It must have taken a long time to draft and test the one she did. The one in her collection presumably is the copyright of someone else, possibly Catherine Channer - how complicated these things can be. The one I have has obviously been professional, probably mechanically, pricked. It probably cost a lot to have the machinery set up to do that, and that could be part of the reason why Ruth Bean was unwilling to produce more. But I suspect that most people would be willing to prick it themselves if they could just get their hands on a legal print of the pricking. Jean Nathan in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Miss Channer's Mat, by David, on Julian's site
Jeri, In reading all the Channer correspondence, I wondered why no one remembered we were able to see David's mat while it was in progress. David? Do you know where the pictures at various stages of making are - at the present time? Well they're certainly still here on my computer, but I would have no idea where they are online. I also recall seeing another Channer in progress in white by Michelle Long of Australia. This was shortly before mine and inspired me to get cracking on it. David in Ballarat, AUS - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Miss Channer's mat
Liz Baker wrote: I was sad to hear that Ruth Bean had died, it does explain the fact that her book list was disappearing from print. There were a number of books that she published on lace that I used to learn and without which I would either not have master a technique or taken much longer to do so. When I posted on here so me time ago that some Ruth Bean Bedfordshire books were out of print, I immediately got an email from her husband asking where I got that information because they were still in print. I told him that no suppliers were carrying the books and there was no Ruth Bean web site, so if they were in print how was anyone supposed to find them. Apparently there was a Facebook page, but many of us have no desire to have anything to do with Facebook. As far as I and many others were concerned Ruth Bean had stopped publishing anything. If he has sold the business, again who knows the business has been sold and whether or not any books are in print? There doesn't appear to be any information on the web - I suppose it's on Facebook. Don't these people realise they're missing out on a lot of people if they don't also have a web page? Jean Nathan, Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Miss Channer's mat
I have just checked fb and there is nothing there now. What a pity Kind Regards Liz Baker On 3 Jan 2014, at 07:57, Jean Nathan jean...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: When I posted on here so me time ago that some Ruth Bean Bedfordshire books were out of print, I immediately got an email from her husband asking where I got that information because they were still in print. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Miss Channer's mat
Some Ruth Bean books are available from The Crowood Press: http://www.crowood.com/category.asp?cat=36class=Ruth-Bean-Publishers Apparently they also have Torchon Lacemaking by Elizabeth Wade, and Torchon Lacemaking by Jan Tregedgo. Perhaps if they were to receive many email enquiries for Miss Channer's Mat, they may be induced to reprint it! I've emailed them asking if there is any likelihood of it being reprinted. Noelene in Cooma nlaffe...@ozemail.com.au - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Miss Channer's mat
Crowood are the people who bought the Ruth Bean company. I couldn't think of the name before, but recognised it as soon as I saw the link. Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Noelene Lafferty Sent: Friday, 3 January 2014 8:27 PM To: 'Lace' Subject: RE: [lace] Miss Channer's mat Some Ruth Bean books are available from The Crowood Press: http://www.crowood.com/category.asp?cat=36class=Ruth-Bean-Publishers - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Miss Channer's Mat
Oh my, I have Miss Channers Mat never used yet. I guess I had better treasure it since it is so hard to come by now. Joan in frigid Ontario. On Friday, January 3, 2014, Lynn Scott wrote: I've gone to the website that now sells the Ruth Bean books and sent them a note at their contact address asking them on behalf of the many lacemakers out there if they will be republishing Miss Channer's Mat. I'll put this forward should I receive a reply. In the meantime, if they were to receive many requests for it, perhaps they would put it out. enquir...@crowood.com javascript:; -- Lynn S in Grafton, Australia bunnyrosena...@gmail.com javascript:; - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com javascript:;containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com javascript:;. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Miss Channer's mat
Marianne, However, I can still do Bucks, and my goal is to eventually tackle Miss Channer's mat. However, I can't seem to find a source for the pattern. Can anyone tell me where I could obtain it? There is only a pricking, no working diagram, and I have a feeling that it's out of print right now. Someone will know. I must say how much I enjoyed making it when I did. I reduced the pricking to about 75% and used a fine black silk. It's framed and hanging on my wall. David in Ballarat, AUS - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Miss Channer's Mat
Or sell it!  At one point they were fetching really silly money on ebay. There are other large Bucks Point mats out there, Miss Channers is not the only one. Jacquie in Lincolnshire  this time I have remembered to trim my post.  Sorry for the previous ommission. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Miss Channer's Mat
I also have Miss Channers mat pricking ,hidden away until I obtained enough skills to work it, now I feel able to I find that in my estimation it will take 200 plus pairs which means I will have o finish every project I have on the go so I have enough bobbins, ah well maybe later in the year. Sue M Harvey Norfolk U.K. Sent from my iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Miss Channer's mat
Don't think that just sending them emails will necessarily get them to publish something, specially not if it is only a single pattern. A few years ago we had a petition in to Burda with lots of signatures for them to republish the Herbert Niebling lace knitting patterns that they were sitting on, only to be told it was not worth it since there were not enough lace knitters that would be purchasing them. At least Buchverlag fuer die Frau did republish a lot of theirs, but Burda refused. Considering that the current company publishing the Ruth Bean books doesn't really have much in craft books (only 72, and only 6 on lace, 2 of which are historical), it doesn't seem likely they will publish only 1 pattern. Guess I'll just have to keep dreaming, and hope that maybe I'll find it in a garage sale or on ebay. Marianne Marianne Gallant Vernon, BC www.yarnshop.ca m...@shaw.ca Perhaps if they were to receive many email enquiries for Miss Channer's Mat, they may be induced to reprint it! I've emailed them asking if there is any likelihood of it being reprinted. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Miss Channer's mat
The hubby had a suggestion that would work within the spirit of the copyright laws. If some one owns a copy of the pattern, they could 'give' it to their local lace Groups's library on semi permanent loan but have it reside at their house for 'insurance' purposes. If he doesn't understand the ins and outs of this one I don't think anyone does. L Kind Regards Liz Baker On 3 Jan 2014, at 15:48, Marianne Gallant m...@shaw.ca wrote: Guess I'll just have to keep dreaming, and hope that maybe I'll find it in a garage sale or on ebay. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Miss Channer's mat
On 03/01/2014 05:41, Marianne Gallant wrote: Hi, I am just about to put Miss Channer's mat plus a tray with an oval cut-out for displaying it onto ebay, unless a spider snaffles it first Edith North Notts, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Miss Channer's mat
A picture of the original mat appeared in Miss Channers book 'Practical Lacemaking' published in 1928. Worked by a student at the Bedford Technical Institute. Design by C.C. Channer. In the folder published by Ruth it says Original design by Catherine C. Channer, worked by Mrs Dixon, of Clapham, Bedford, c1926. Now in the collection of the Cecil Higgins Art Gallery, Bedford. For those dreaming of making the mat Pat Bury estimated that about 250 pairs of bobbins would be needed, she used 100/3 Brok and No 16 Coton a Broder for the gimps. When I made the mat I adapted the pricking as I felt the half stitch areas with the overlaid leaves were not (IMO) true Bucks Point, so I replaced them with honeycomb and cloth with tallies. Yes, I can feel Miss Channer turning in her grave (which I have visited in Clapham churchyard). Diana - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Miss Channer's mat
Good luck!!! I got lucky and won a lottery that had that as a prize (think it was on this list many years ago) I wouldn't part with my pattern for all the tea in China and that goes for most people who have the pattern. I know it has been out of print since forever. But then, I did get lucky and maybe you will too. If your lucky someone who has it will offer to sell it to you or maybe even give it away. Cearbhael -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Marianne Gallant Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 11:42 PM To: 'Lace' Subject: [lace] Miss Channer's mat Hi, I really enjoy doing Buckspoint lace, and my goal is to eventually tackle Miss Channer's mat. However, I can't seem to find a source for the pattern. Can anyone tell me where I could obtain it? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Miss Channer's mat
Marianne, Miss Channer's mat has been out of print for some years.The publisher (Ruth Bean) who commissioned the last version of the pattern died and her husband has sold the business. Whether or not another publisher will go through all the legal business of obtaining the necessary permission to commission another version of the pattern in order to publish it is something we'll just have to wait and see. We've had the discussion on Arachne in previous years about the legality of copying the current pattern - and, in spite of the fact that the publisher has died, copying the pattern is illegal and could lead to prosecution. Nigel Bean still has his ear to the ground as far as publishing is concerned and I know has recently taken legal action against someone who illegally published one of their books. Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Marianne Gallant Sent: Friday, 3 January 2014 4:42 PM To: 'Lace' Subject: [lace] Miss Channer's mat Hi, I really enjoy doing Buckspoint lace, and my goal for this year is to learn a lot more about it. I used to do a fair amount back in the 80's and early 90's, but was sort of out of lace making for more than 10 years while I owned and ran a yarnshop. Used to do Honiton and Duchesse as well, but I don't know if I can still see to do that, sewing with fine threads takes good eye sight, and it is starting to go downhill. However, I can still do Bucks, and my goal is to eventually tackle Miss Channer's mat. However, I can't seem to find a source for the pattern. Can anyone tell me where I could obtain it? It will take me a while to collect the bobbins for it, I have lots of Continental types that I inherited from my mother, and also collected early in my lacemaking days, but I have found that I don't like them for Bucks, the tendency for them to roll has given me fits with threads untwisting and breaking, in one piece so badly I finally cut it off. I have started collecting Midlands bobbins and spangling them, and am having much better success with the piece I am doing at the moment. I only have about 100 pairs right now, so it will take me a while to collect the rest. But in the meantime I'd like to get the pattern, to spur me on in learning more, and getting the bobbins. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Marianne Marianne Gallant Vernon, BC www.yarnshop.ca m...@shaw.ca - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Miss Channer's mat
Whilst I know its out of print, I have on occasions seen it for sale as a second hand pattern by dealers either at lace fairs or on their websites. If I really wanted to make a particular piece I would be tempted to put a call out to other Lacemakers through different sites asking if anyone would be willing to sell or trade their copy second hand as the laws on second hand books are very different. I was sad to hear that Ruth Bean had died, it does explain the fact that her book list was disappearing from print. There were a number of books that she published on lace that I used to learn and without which I would either not have master a technique or taken much longer to do so. I know that self publishing is wonderful and really anyone can produce a pdf of their work and sell it now but I find it a loss that the main publishing houses no longer publish high quality craft books in the quantities that they did in the 80s Kind Regards Liz Baker On 3 Jan 2014, at 06:48, Ruth Budge thelacema...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Marianne, Miss Channer's mat has been out of print for some years.The publisher (Ruth Bean) who commissioned the last version of the pattern died and her husband has sold the business. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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David Are you aiming to set a new world record for the fastest Miss Channer's mat ever? It is looking wonderful - of course! Sue http://www.margorsson.com/Miss_Channers_Mat_goes_Chantilly.html - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
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In a message dated 12/11/2004 8:53:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would love to see Janis Savage's version of Miss Channer's Mat.Does anyone know where you can get this pattern? Don't ask. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have a copy of the original book - published by Methuen Co, 36 Essex Street, W.C., London in 1900. However, the mat does not appear in that book. A photo of it appears in In the Cause of English Lace, which was published by Ruth Bean in 1991. The mat was designed by Miss Channer, but the sample was worked by Mrs. Dixon of Clapham, Bedford, at one of the classes of the Bedford Technical Institute, c. 1926, and is held by the Cecil Higgins Art Gallery, Bedford. Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) --- Marcie Greer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember the discussion too, but I can't remember what was said. What we need to know is when the pricking was first made and if it is early enough, that is sufficient. Otherwise we need to know when Miss Channer died. Before a certain date (around about 1900, I think), the point at which the original was created is used, after that date the death of the author is used as the starting point for counting the years till it is in the public domain. Miss Channer's relatives probably hold the copyright to her pricking and any attending materials she herself made and Ruth Bean may only have a copyright on their printed form of the material (it would be interesting to find out if they were even the original printers of the book.) Does someone on the list have the information from the front of the book? If you wouldn't mind re-posting, some of us can keep an archived copy of the info this time around. This question comes up about once a year. Also, aren't there are two methods for working the mat... one Beds and one Bucks? I have a vague memory of this being discussed as well. Marcie Original message: Hi, Vivienne and others, - I have a very vague recollection (and I may be wrong) that the copyright on the original Miss Channer's mat ran out, but that Ruth Bean got a copyright because there was no pattern and she got someone to draw the pattern out and make a pricking and pattern, which makes that particular pattern her copyright material. But someone else could do the same thing - get the original and make it into a pricking and a pattern, I mean. All you would have to do is draw it out and make the pricking and keep records of the process so that you could prove you didn't just copy Ruth Bean's version. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://search.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Search - Looking for more? Try the new Yahoo! Search - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I've just had another look and, 1) Gosh it looks hard 2) I know exactly what Tamara means 3) -most important Has anyone made a pattern I can beg, or borrow but not steal of the dolphin-over-bobbin motif? Viv - Original Message - From: Patricia Dowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:34 AM Subject: [lace] Miss Channer's Mat URL Dear Johanna and all interested parties. The Poole Bobbin Lace Society has a picture of the mat worked by a member. (With close-ups). http://www.cyberlink.co.uk/pblc/mat.htm Patty Dowden - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello Everybody, What's written here: But someone else could do the same thing - get the original and make it into a pricking and a pattern, I mean. All you would have to do is draw it out and make the pricking and keep records of the process so that you could prove you didn't just copy Ruth Bean's version. is only possible for personal use not for selling. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dear Adele, But someone else could do the same thing - get the original and make it into a pricking and a pattern, I mean. All you would have to do is draw it out and make the pricking and keep records of the process so that you could prove you didn't just copy Ruth Bean's version. I'm throwing out this suggestion just in case somebody hasn't thought of it and wants to try ... I've already done it, but at this stage daren't do anything with it except use it myself. David in Ballarat Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:08:46 -0400, Marcie wrote: I remember the discussion too, but I can't remember what was said. What we need to know is when the pricking was first made and if it is early enough, that is sufficient. Otherwise we need to know when Miss Channer died. Before a certain date (around about 1900, I think), the point at which the original was created is used, after that date the death of the author is used as the starting point for counting the years till it is in the public domain. Miss Channer's relatives probably hold the copyright to her pricking and any attending materials she herself made and Ruth Bean may only have a copyright on their printed form of the material (it would be interesting to find out if they were even the original printers of the book.) Miss Channer was British, she did the design in Britain and Ruth Bean is also in Britain, so the relevant copyright law is British law. To be out of copyright in Britain the author has to have been dead for over 70 years i.e. to have died by 1933. I have a vague recollection that Miss Channer has been discussed here before, and that she was alive a lot later than that. So the copyright would still be current. From whom and how the copyright ended up with Ruth Bean makes no difference to whether the copyright still exists. In Britain, so far as I know the rules about date of creation of the original are only relevant for something published by a company, or something published without an author's name attached to it. Neither of those would apply in this case. -- Love is the most subtle form of self-interest. - Holbrook Jackson Steph Peters, Manchester, England [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Lately we've heard from several who are about to make Miss Channer's Mat. From where is the pattern available? I've been given to understand that it is no longer in print. My lace goal is to one day be able to make the above-mentioned mat, although at the rate I'm going, it would take several lifetimes to get good enough! But you gotta have a dream! Yes, ditto here. Does anyone know, who owns/holds the copyright to the pattern? Or is it still under copyright? If still under copyright, I wonder if the holder might be persuaded to make copies as needed. With today's technology, it is possible to make few or even one copy at a time, on good quality paper for little money. Just a thought... Greetings from Beautiful British Columbia Esther Perry - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, the pattern and copy right is held by a publishing company. Ruth Bean. they are not willing at the moment to publish it due, I understand, to the high costs. It is a very intricate pattern to print and has to be done properly. They do know that suppliers like me are willing to stock them but they say they would cost too much. KEEP LACING, VIVIENNE, BIGGINS - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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speaking of Miss Channer's Mat - did the lucky ebay bidder in the USA - sorry I can't remember who it was - ever recieve the mat and if she did is she happy with her purchase? jenny barron Scotland - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Vivienne Do you have an email address for the publisher, Ruth Bean? If you forwarded it to Arachne, then everyone who wanted a copy of Miss Channer's Mat, could write to that address telling them that they would like to purchase a copy and please would they reprint it. That would at least give them a clear idea of the demand Sue [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In a communication 8/15/03 from Nigel at Ruth Bean, he wrote We are considering whether to reprint Miss Channer's Lace Mat... Perhaps a show of interest would help them decide in our favor. Here's an email addy for them: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Michele in hot and sunny Utah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of FRM Haddad Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 8:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [lace] Miss Channer's Mat Lately we've heard from several who are about to make Miss Channer's Mat. From where is the pattern available? I've been given to understand that it is no longer in print. My lace goal is to one day be able to make the above-mentioned mat, although at the rate I'm going, it would take several lifetimes to get good enough! But you gotta have a dream! Rose-Marie Abbotsford, BC, Canada where we might actually get some rain! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 10:07 AM 8/26/2003 -0500, you wrote: Vivienne Do you have an email address for the publisher, Ruth Bean? If you forwarded it to Arachne, then everyone who wanted a copy of Miss Channer's Mat, could write to that address telling them that they would like to purchase a copy and please would they reprint it. That would at least give them a clear idea of the demand Sue Sue, we did that a few months ago. That's when we got the reply that Vivienne just reported. We can only hope that sometime in the future, she will change her mind. Alice in Oregon - Recovering from a 5-day lace design workshop. Oregon Country Lacemakers Arachne Secret Pal Administrator Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
