RE: [lace] Making lace before diagrams

[J-D Hammett]

Hi fellow Arachnids,

Much the same for me as for Sue. We also had to draw out, prick and mark out
our prickings before we were to wind the bobbins. However, it does take longer
and I find that especially younger lacemakers have neither the time nor the
inclination to learn/work this way. I must say that I prefer making lace to
making prickings, but it does teach one to be able to make decision and work
independently.

Happy lace making,

Joepie.

From: Sue Babbs


When I learned in England (1988 onwards), you were given the pricking, the
training to interpret the pricking, and if you were lucky sight of the
finished lace.  The main advantage of this is that you are not dependent on
diagrams (and not constantly looking from lace to diagram) and you learn to
make your own decisions.


Sue

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RE: [lace] re: posting questions about what teachers say

[J-D Hammett]

The husband and wife pair is sometimes used for the pair made up of one thin
and one thicker thread as used for instance in Duchess, Honiton or Flanders
lace.



Joepie.






From: owner-l...@arachne.com  on behalf of Diane
Williams 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 10:10:33 PM
To: Lbuyred; Sharon Ghamari-Tabrizi
Cc: Arachne
Subject: Re: [lace] re: posting questions about what teachers say

It means very gently stroking the bobbins to tension them.?? Best used with
fine thread. Beginners are used to giving the "Torchon tug" because they
generally start out with heavier thread and need to pull harder to get nice
tension.?? Then they find themselves breaking threads when they move to
smaller stuff.
I think Christine Springett originated the term.

Diane Williams
Galena Illinois USA
 My blog - http://dianelaces.wordpress.com/

On Monday, May 21, 2018, 3:58:34 PM CDT, Sharon Ghamari-Tabrizi
 wrote:

 Does anybody know what "milk the fairy cow" mean?

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RE: [lace] Lace Guild Artefact of the month

[J-D Hammett]

Hi,



Yes, I have and I like the look of it. However, I am finding it more difficult
to save the picture fore later study. The pdf file only gives the ‘point’ and
I would have liked to see the close up as a high resolution pdf as well.



But well done for having given the page a new, fresh look.



Happy lace making,



Joepie in hot, sunny Sussex.




From: owner-l...@arachne.com  on behalf of Diana Smith

Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2018 10:00:19 AM
To: Arachne
Subject: [lace] Lace Guild Artefact of the month

Has anyone else received the new look Artefact of the Month page from the
English Lace Guild?
It has been given a whole new look and it certainly is an improvement. The
Artefact is a sample piece of American eagle old Bucks type lace. I’ve seen
this pattern adapted to a bookmark/fingerplate - one of those pieces I’ve been
to try!
Diana in a very hot Northamptonshire where we really need some rain.

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RE: [lace] Identification of Dutch lace needed

[J-D Hammett]

Hi fellow Arachnids,

This is likely to be “Potten kant”.  So called because it features pots of
flowers in a very densely worked lace in the Netherlands during the early
1700.

Joepie in chilly East Sussex, UK.




Subject: [lace] Identification of Dutch lace needed

There is a puzzling piece in our collection. It is a flower basket. The cloth
work is dense linen stitch. <  >The information, which I am
supposed
to be reviewing says it is Dutch/Netherlands about 1700. I would like to
check
this. Can anyone help? Here is the link.

https://tinyurl.com/y86ojhpk

Devon

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RE: [lace] Lace legends?

[J-D Hammett]

Hi Lyn,

Cataracts can even occur in babies and small children (not frequently, thank
God), not just later in life.

Happy lace making,

Joepie.

From: lynrbai...@supernet.com


Dear Elise,
What you say makes sense.  I have often wondered, and I was voting for
cataracts, but then I realized that happens quite late in life.  I am truly
impressed by the expertise that various members of Arachne bring to the
discussion.  In our own way, we are a powerhouse of passion for lace,
intellectual questers, and a variety of expertise.  Yay us!


"My email sends out an automatic  message. Arachne members,
please ignore it. I read your emails."



>I agree Devon, the theory of blindness from making lace has never made sense
>to me.  However, I disagree that syphilis was the usual culprit ...

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RE: [lace] Working with black thread [was "Thread"]

[J-D Hammett]

Hi fellow Arachnids,

I believe that some black lace was made with white thread and dyed black and
some made with black thread. If you have some old pieces of black lace you do
not mind unpicking you can see for yourselves. Lace dyed after it is made will
be very slightly lighter inside the crossings and twists where the dye has not
penetrated as deeply. Lace made with black threads will be darker inside the
crossings and twists as it will not have faded as much as the outside of the
threads.

Joepie in East Sussex, where Autumn is trying to creep in.

From: Diana Smith


Like Alex I’ve always understood that on the whole black lace produced in the
English east Midlands was worked with white thread which was later dyed.
On the other hand I have old Beds lace prickings on grey card which I believe
were used for work with black thread.
Diana in Northamptonshire


> On 4 Sep 2018, at 16:37, N.A. Neff  wrote:
>
> I have found black thread hard to work with if the pricking is made of a
> card too light in color. <..>
> I have come to greatly prefer a medium-dark red card for my prickings, for
> white, ecru, and black threads all. It is much easier on my eyes than the
> brighter or lighter blue cards.
>
> Nancy

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RE: [lace] Finger looping

[J-D Hammett]

Hi fellow Arachnids,



These braids on the indulgences (which were frequently sold by -sometimes
spurious- Pardoners to raise funds for the church), could be finger woven or
card woven. Finger-weaving is a form of plaiting with loops on the fingers
with which one can get different and pretty patterns. With the card- and inkle
loom weaving the warp forms the visible pattern hence the pattern (the
boat-shaped visible bits of the thread at the surface) lays along the length
of the braid as can be seen in the photographs. With a loom woven braid the
pattern lie across the braid.



Happy lace making,



Joepie in East Sussex, UK where spring at last seems to have arrived.








From: owner-l...@arachne.com  on behalf of Gilian Dye

Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 7:33:53 PM
To: Bev Walker
Cc: Kim Davis; DevonThein; Arachne reply; Jean Leader
Subject: Re: [lace] Finger looping

H Bev,
Slentre braid sounds exactly like the 5 loop braid which was the first
finger-looped braid I learned.
 Did you know that by picking up the loop that is transferred from one hand
to the other in different ways - eg by changing whether you catch the top
or the bottom thread of the loop - you can get different shaped braids?

I'm not sure about Slentre Braid being a precursor to bobbin lace but I
would suggest it is the same family.
Agreed a fascinating topin
Gil

On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 6:26 PM, Bev Walker  wrote:

> Hello Gillian and everyone
>
> I am reminded of "Slentre Braid" which is made of 5 doubled threads,
> anchored at one end, looped at the other. Briefly, two fingers of one hand,
> three of the other hook into the loops where a weaving motion  takes place,
> one loop through another. The result is a quickly-made two-faced braid, one
> side looks woven, the other knitted. This isn't like the braid in Devon's
> photo.
> I don't know the term 'finger looping' - perhaps Slentre Braid is an
> example. Or it could be finger weaving.
>
> Could be a precursor to bobbin lace. I don't know.
> The topic is absolutely fascinating!
>
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 12:10 AM, Gilian Dye  wrote:
>
>>
>> I've been puzzled for a while by the prevalence of  finger looping - on
>> the
>> face of it is an unlikely technique to have developed. Why decide to put
>> loops on your fingers instead of manipulating individual threads? Could
>> these braids be a form of plaiting?
>>
>
>
> --
> Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
> Canada
>

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RE: [lace] Happy Anniversary

[J-D Hammett]

Happy Arachne Anniversary to every Arachnid!



Joepie.



East Sussex, UK, where it is misty and overcast.




From: owner-l...@arachne.com  on behalf of Sue Harvey

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 8:58:27 AM
To: David C Collyer
Cc: Lin Hudren; Arachne
Subject: Re: [lace] Happy Anniversary

Happy Arachne Anniversary
I Think that's a good enough excuse for us to make lots of lace today.
Sue M Harvey
Norfolk UK



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RE: [lace] My AOL message failed to get past Arachne's panix block this morning

[J-D Hammett]

Hi Fellow Arachnids,

Firstly, thank you Jeri for all you do for the Lace community and that despite
being frustrated by the system you keep on helping us. Your email has com
through to me ok. I looked at that wonderful shirt yesterday. Being a medieval
re-enactor as well as a lace maker I was doubly interested.

Secondly, my thanks to Liz for hosting the program AND PAYING for it all these
years. I have sent an donation towards the costs, but that was several years
ago. It would be nice if more people could see their way to doing that.

Lastly, my thanks to Avital for keeping us on the straight and narrow with our
emails. Yes, I am sorry to say that she has had to rap my knuckles a couple of
times. I have cut severely this time and I hope that despite minimal lace
content this missive is allowed.


Joepie, East Sussex, UK, where the weather looks lovely and sunny.


PS. I am just on my way to Triangle Lace Club in Eastbourne for about 4 hours.
Lovely group meeting every even numbered month on the second Saturday (10.00
to 14.00 hrs).  J.

-
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---


 .  Liz has been very generous in
providing a server to us.  Perhaps we should consider how we can update
dinosaur-era computer programming ?  Do we have a volunteer programmer and
someone with a server to share that we could transition to, and could our
existing files be kept intact ?

Jeri Ames in Maine USA

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[lace] Trimming

[J-D Hammett]

Terrible sorry Avital. In a hurry, friend is ill. Promise to do better next
time.

Kindest regards,

Joepie.

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RE: [lace] Fwd: Attention Weavers - 1,000-Year-Old Silk Shirt

[J-D Hammett]

The address for the page has gone over two lines and you need to copy the
whole (from   https:to   .html )   and paste it in the box.



Hope that helps.



Happy lace making,



Joepie.






From: owner-l...@arachne.com  on behalf of Helene
Ulrich 
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2018 8:16:35 PM
To: Nancy Neff; Arachne
Subject: Re: [lace] Fwd: Attention Weavers - 1,000-Year-Old Silk Shirt

Nancy, I tried the link provided.  Was told it could not be found, they
seem to have lost it (their statement)

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018, 1:20 PM N.A. Neff  wrote:

> Forwarded per Jeri's request.
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Jeri Ames" 
> Date: Apr 13, 2018 08:28
> Subject: Attention Weavers - 1,000-Year-Old Silk Shirt
> To: >
> Cc:
>
> Dear Arachne subscribers and my personal friends (bcc'd),  This came to me
> from a young non-lacemaker.  Hope you think this is close enough to our
> lace interests to share.  Some of us are, after all, interested in silk,
> design, color, history, conservation of textiles, and rare textiles that
> make our hearts sing.   Photos are wonderful, but when I tried to print
> this article they did not appear.  If you want to learn more, you could
> search Sotheby's London auction, and if you find something irresistible -
> please share another address.
>
> From The New York Times:
>
> This 1,000-Year-Old Shirt Has a $700,000 Story to Tell
>
> Why would a shirt be worth so much money? Find out.
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/04/12/style/
> thousand-year-old-shirt-sothebys.html
>
>
> Jeri Ames in Maine USA
> Lace and Embroidery Resource Center
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RE: [lace] Mounting lace for display

[J-D Hammett]

Hi fellow Arachnids,

For white (powder coated) metal rings I use the rings for lamp-shades. Many
paper/parchment lampshades utilise a wire ring at the top and bottom. These
are freely availablein several sizes in craftshops as well as on the internet
(Amazon to name but one) I have just checked, Amazon has epoxy coated white
rings the 40 cm ones are around £16 to 17 for 5 and 30 cm about £11 for 5 and
15 cm @ £8 for 5 rings. “Dreamcatcher rings” will also get you there.

Happy lace making.

Joepie, East Sussex where it has been a lovely spring day today.

From: Tess Parrish
Sent: 26 March 2018 18:29
To: lace@arachne.com
Subject: [lace] Mounting lace for display

Does anyone know where I can find white enameled metal rings 5-8” in diameter
in which to mount laces to make hanging window decorations?  Metal, white, but
not silver or gold. I have looked through the internet without success.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Tess (tess1...@aol.com in sunny but still cool Maine USA)

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RE: [lace] Drouot Auction on October 24th

[J-D Hammett]

Hi fellow Arachnids,

Thank you Laurie for the information and the catalogue website. I have just
spent a very pleasurable time looking at these wonderful pieces -even though
the photography is not always of the highest standard-. I am afraid dinner
will be late today! Eye-candy comes first :-) :-)

Happy lace making,

Joepie in East Sussex, UK, where the weather continues to be lovely even
though it is getting colder.


From: Laurie Waters

Subject: [lace] Drouot Auction on October 24th

I've just broken my long silence on LaceNews to publish some information on
the upcoming lace auction at Drouot in Paris on Oct 24th.
http://tinyurl.com/jg7wjwq

Laurie

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[lace] Lace, not Lace

[J-D Hammett]

Hi Fellow Arachnids,

Have just received the Lace, not Lace catalogue and it is a delight to see,
handle and read. So informative it is beginning to change my mind a lot about
modern lace. The photographs are first class. It is of course no substitute
for actually visiting, but as I live in the UK that is not possible at
present.

Thank you so much Devon for producing it -with the help of all the others no
doubt-. I love it!

Furthermore, I don’t think  this book would give as much pleasure nor be as
good a quality on a Kindle.

Joepie in cool but sunny East Sussex.

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RE: [lace] Flickr account - decision made!

[J-D Hammett]

Hi Sue,

Thank you very much for taking on this task. I have sent $5 towards your costs
via Paypal. I have not been very active in Arachne lately through personal
circumstances, but I always read all emails and love spending time with all
the eye-candy in our photo albums (especially when feeling a little ‘down’).

Also, thank you Clay for your years of work and dedication to Arachne.

Happy lace making,

Joepie.

From: Sue Babbs
Sent: 18 January 2019 18:22
To: lace@arachne.com; Sue
Babbs
Subject: [lace] Flickr account - decision made!

I am tremendously grateful to Clay Blackwell for all the years she has hosted
this Flickr unlimited storage account.  She has done so as a way of giving
back to the lace world.  Thank you so much for doing this, Clay.

This morning I investigated having several free Flickr accounts.  It would
<---

>This way we can keep storing photos in the same place and keep all
the
information that has been written about them.  Our Flickr account
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/ is always listed at the bottom of
each Arachne email.  If you want to upload photos – or keep your photos
current – contact me for login details.  They are the same as they have been
since January 2017

Sue

suebabbs...@gmail.com

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RE: [lace] World Lace Congress of 2018 in Brugge, Belgium

[J-D Hammett]

Hi Jerri  and Fellow Arachnids,

Thank you so much Jeri for your great report on your sojourn in Europe (sorry
I had to crop it, that hurt me) . I would have loved to be there and meet you
all as well as learning much.

Also, I so agree with you that I refuse to spent important experiences behind
a camera. Although I do take a good ‘snapper’ camera with me to take the very
occasional picture to remember.

Happy lace making,

Joepie in East Sussex where autumn is beginning to make itself felt,




From: Jeri Ames
Sent: 16 September 2018 21:09
To: lace@arachne.com
Subject: [lace] World Lace Congress of 2018 in Brugge, Belgium

Here are a few comments about this event.  It began by flying to Belgium on
August 14th, and (for me) ended by flying to Hungary on August 26th.  Arrived
early, to adjust to time change and travel fatigue before the World Lace
Congress began. <.
> I look forward to seeing results of all the photography that
will
document this lace adventure.
There will always be more to learn about lace.
Jeri Ames in Maine USALace and Embroidery Resource Center

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RE: [lace] Re: Kopek/Whirlpool filling

[J-D Hammett]

Hi Fellow Arachnids,

Thank you for posting the photos, Clare. I can now see that both Kopek (a
small Russian coin) and whirlpool fillings are what we would call a Russian
spider.

Happy Lace Making,

Joepie, in overcast but relatively warm Sussex, UK; {About 14C where it would
normally be 4-7 C. :-)}



From: Clare Lewis
Sent: 20 February 2019 23:58
To: J R
Cc: Arachne Reply
Subject: Re: [lace] Re: Kopek/Whirlpool filling



I discovered that a kopek is a heck of a lot of different things in
different languages when I tried to Google for an answer to my question!

Anyway, thanks in no small part to a very patient Sue Babbs I have now
uploaded three photos to the Arachne Flickr page showing the top and
underside of a kopek filling  <.

Clare L

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RE: [lace] New lace website

[J-D Hammett]

Hi Jean and fellow Arachnids,

This works very well on my Windows 10 program. On quick search a very useful
website, well worth putting in your reference section.

Thank you Jean.

Joepie, East Sussex where summer seems to be just around the corner.

From: Jean Leader
Sent: 13 May 2019 16:08
To: lace list
Subject: [lace] New lace website

Some years ago I wrote a couple of dozen web pages for The Lace Guild website
(under the title “The Craft of Lace”) in which I provided a historical review
of different types of European laces. Following changes in that organization
the material has been on my own website, which is not yet adapted to adjust to
mobile devices. For that reason, and because of its size, we have now mounted
the material on its own new website, “Lace Types”, at
www.lacetypes.com. We have tested it mainly on Macs,
iPhones and iPads. Please let us know if you have any problems viewing it on
other operating systems or devices.

Thanks
 Jean in sunny Glasgow

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RE: [lace] reading v. reply

[J-D Hammett]

Hi Jeri, et al,

I agree very much with Alex;- A heart-felt plea for you to continue
contributing.

Also, thank you very much for all the work you have put in and for sharing
your knowledge with us. I certainly read your posts from beginning to end and
have learned so much from them and like Alex always share any knowledge I
glean with my students. However, I do a lot of lurking as I do not have a lot
of time to write bits, nor am I on my computer every day. Because of that I do
not always reply as I ought to.

Please, please, please, continue to share your knowledge, it is very much
appreciated!

Happy lace making!

Joepie, in Sussex, UK where it is DRY at present.



From: Alex Stillwell
Sent: 07 November 2019 08:54
To: Arachne reply
Cc: jeria...@aol.com
Subject: [lace] reading v. reply

Hi Jeri

Please continue giving us the benefit of your knowledge. Because we do not
reply it does not mean we do not enjoy and learn from them. If the same
question comes up again it probably comes from a new member or someone who
missed you previous post for some reason ??? we all experience glitches with
our computers from time to time.

Looking forward to your next post

Bow the dust

Alex

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RE: [lace] Important changes to Flickr Pro subscriptions

[J-D Hammett]

Hi fellow Arachnids,

As before, I am quite willing to chip in for the Arachne Flickr Account, but
like Nancy would like to send via Paypal friends and family (no cost deducted
for you) as not only is it quick and easy, but I can send dollars rather than
pounds.

Joepie in yet again overcast Sussex.

I think I am growing gills it has been so wet here this winter. Wish I could
send some of it to Australia. J.


From: owner-l...@arachne.com  on behalf of N.A. Neff

Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 10:12:46 PM
To: Sue Babbs 
Cc: lace@arachne.com 
Subject: Re: [lace] Important changes to Flickr Pro subscriptions

I'll be glad to chip in $5. May I send it via PayPal friends & family so
there are no fees?

Nancy

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 4:15 PM  wrote:

> As you all know, we now subscribe to Flickr Pro for the storage of our
> photos.  Flickr's prices are going up to $59.99 + tax for the annual
> plan or $117.99 + tax for the two year plan.  Last year we paid $49.99
> for the year, in April 2019.
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> The offer I have received today from Flickr gives us the chance to renew
> at last year's prices, and makes it clear that  they will extend the
> term of our current Pro subscription, so I have decided to go ahead and
> renew.  I have chosen to subscribe for 2 years at a total cost of
> $100.29 incl tax.  This will keep our photos stored until April 15 2022.
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> Various Arachne members offered to help share the cost when we next
> renewed and asked me to let them know when I next paid, so I am doing
> so!It would be great if we could find 20 Arachneans who would like
> to pay $5 each to cover this.  Please email me if you want to help pay
> for our photo storage
>
> Sue
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Re: [lace] Lappet or something else

[J-D Hammett]

Hi fellow Arachnids,

Although I cannot help with the lace I may be able to bring some light to the
translation. The word STAAL  has 2 meanings: 1st meaning is steel -the metal-:
2nd meaning is sample.

Joepie in sunny Sussex but in Covid 19 isolation.

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From: owner-l...@arachne.com  on behalf of Maria Greil

Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 11:06:39 AM
To: Devon Thein 
Cc: lacelijst - 
Subject: Re: [lace] Lappet or something else

Dear Devon.

Are you sure it is really Paris ground? For me it looks like application on
mechanical tul ground.
If the qualification is beggining of 20th century and right, then they
would not be lappets anymore but bows or cravattes for the throad.
I myself have some lappets in my collection and the older ones (17th and
18th century- except the ones belonging to the times of Louis XV, a
diffeerent stile-) are not application works.

Maria Greil

El dom., 19 abr. 2020 a las 0:15, Devon Thein ()
escribi??:

>  In the catalogue of the Gruutshusemuseum, Catalogus Van de
> Kantverzameling, I have encountered some photos of samples in Paris lace
> which call themselves Staal voor een Mutsenslip in Parijse Kloskant. They
> look a lot like a piece that I have been studying. What surprises me is
> that the piece I am studying seems like it is a pair of lappets sewn
> together, but these samples in the book say they are 19de-20ste eeuw, which
> I think means 19th -20th century. The pieces look like they might be early
> 19th century, when people still wore lappets. But 20th century? What
> does Staal voor een Mutsenslip mean? I have posted the photos on
> laceioli.ning in the Identification-history group. Can anyone explain this
> to me?
>  http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history
>
> Devon
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RE: [lace] Lappet or something else

[J-D Hammett]

Hi again,

Sorry I did not trim, but I answered from my phone and I am not so good with
the phone.

I hang my head.

Joepie.

From: J-D Hammett<mailto:jdhamm...@msn.com>
Sent: 19 April 2020 12:41
To: Devon Thein<mailto:devonth...@gmail.com>; Maria
Greil<mailto:mariagr...@gmail.com>
Cc: lacelijst -<mailto:lace@arachne.com>
Subject: Re: [lace] Lappet or something else

Hi fellow Arachnids,
Although I cannot help with the lace I may be able to bring some light to the
translation. The word STAAL  has 2 meanings: 1st meaning is steel -the metal-:
2nd meaning is sample.
Joepie in sunny Sussex but in Covid 19 isolation.
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Re: [lace] Email problem?

[J-D Hammett]

Hi Brian,
I got your email ok. There has also a thread going on a tonder lace. This had
several references to IOLI.  So you have missed some. That happens to me now
and again.
Regards,
Joepie.
   Sorry, tried to trim, but I am not able to do it on my phone. J

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From: owner-l...@arachne.com  on behalf of
brid...@bigpond.com 
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 12:21:48 AM
To: lace@arachne.com 
Subject: [lace] Email problem?

I have not had any posts from Arachne for a few days. I am beginning to
suspect it might be my email might be wrong.



Sorry about this.  I suppose this will act as a test for me.



Brian

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RE: [lace] Lace poems book.

[J-D Hammett]

Yes, please, I have had the same problem.
If you can find a way of using Paypal to order this book I would certainly 
order one.
Thank you.
Happy Lacemaking, and stay safe and well in this difficult time.

Joepie.

From: Karen Bovard
Sent: 24 September 2020 15:31
To: Lace@arachne.com; Elizabeth 
Ligeti
Subject: Re: [lace] Lace poems book.

I want one of these books, but when I used the link you provided all it did
was go to Blurb Austrailia home page.
If you find another link/way for us to order Noelene's book of poems, please
post it again.
Karen Bovard SayreThe ShuttleSmithOmaha, Nebraska
areahttp://www.TheShuttleSmith.com

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On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎September‎ ‎23‎, ‎2020‎
‎11‎:‎43‎:‎02‎ ‎PM‎ ‎CDT, Elizabeth Ligeti
 wrote:

 Many of you will know some of Noelene Lafferty’s poems about
Lacemaking –
“Tatting in your Pocket� being one of the most widely know
poems!
Well, Noelene has now just published a book of her 48 poems, on a Print on
Demand type book.
Here is the link, if anyone would like to buy a copy.

https://au.blurb.com/b/10276985-inspired-by-lace.

I hope everyone is well, - and making lots of lovely lace.  We are still in
Lock-down Stage 4, but we are hoping that some restrictions will be eased on
Sunday, - though we are supposed to have another month of it before any
easing
of restrictions.
(I just hope he lets hairdressers open their shops Very soon!! I badly need a
trim [Mop-chop!!] They have been closed since April  I think. )

Regards from Liz. L.

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RE: [lace] Happy Anniversary

[J-D Hammett]

Happy Anniversary And many more years to come, please.

Janice, I would kill anyone trying to blow their nose in a handkerchief like 
that ☹☹ , never mind who had made it. It is gorgeous.

Happy Lacemaking,

Joepie, in a rather grey Sussex.

From: Janice Blair
Sent: 15 April 2021 01:08
To: Lace
Subject: [lace] Happy Anniversary

I joined in 1996 so have been a member for 25 years if my math is correct.
 That is a beautiful lace hanky on Flickr but not much cloth area for blowing
your nose ;-). <...  .> Gets them out of my home and may be 
worn or
admired by others.Janice

Janice Blair Murrieta, CA, jblace.com

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RE: [lace] Kimonos designed for Tokyo Olympics

[J-D Hammett]

Hi Arachnids,

Thank you very much Pene for the info. It was a pleasure to see all the
kimonos and the variety of interpretations.

Kind regards and happy Lacemaking,

Joepie in dampish Sussex, UK.

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Re: [lace] Importance of Myopia for lacemaking

[J-D Hammett]

Hi Devon and other Arachnids,

Firstly apologies for not cutting Devon's message or all the Arachne info, but
I am on my phone and do not know how to do that.

   I had cataracts removed in both eyes about 2.5 years ago. I opted to get
the best lenses I could which were expensive but amazing. They cover the
distances from middle-near to distant. I have myopia like Devon and had worn
either glasses or contact lenses from the age of eight.

   One eye was done on the Thursday of the first week and the second 8 days
later. It was wonderful as for the first time since I was 8 Icould see without
glasses or contact lenses. I found I could do most laces, except for the very
finest. Therefore, I had some lenses made for an frame I already had, by the
optician just for that fine work. So far it has served me well, though I must
say that I am thinking of having some glasses made for the really far distance
(for wild life observation).

   I would say go for the best and most up to date multi-focal lenses you can
afford, especially ones that correct the astygmatism as well as I did. If you
wish to retain the advantage of myopia (which would certainly help with lace
making) opt for the mid- to far distance lenses.

Hope that your operations go as well as mine did! I have not looked back since
then.

Happy lace making,

Joepie, in East Sussex, UK where we had snow and hail today.




Gentle Spiders,

I have been told that I should have cataract surgery. There are many options
in cataract surgery and I don’t know that I understand them all. According
to the doctor, I can have the inexpensive and largely insurance subsidized
surgery in which I will have “basic” lenses implanted in my eye. (These
are eerily called IOLs) The basic should return my eye to where it was
pre-cataract. The alternative costs more, but would involve implanting a
highly specialized lens in my eye that would address my astigmatism and it
might even be possible to go glasses free afterward as I have not done since
age 7.  <,...>

 I now think the problem was the cataracts. If my vision were returned to what
it was before (basic lenses) I would be happy to have my same close vision
that I am used to. My lifestyle wouldn’t change. I would still wear startling
red glasses as part of my style identity.

I mentioned this to the doctor and he said that in the more expensive,
multi-focus lenses he could put the focus anywhere I wanted, and I could have
it rather close up and I would still wear glasses for long distance vision.

Admittedly, I am somewhat intrigued by the idea of not feeling around for my
glasses everyday. They don’t fit too well over a K95 mask. So, a lens that
does well at all distances has a certain appeal. I don’t even know if I want
him to put the focus in close quarters. After all, it is supposed to be good
close-up.

The more expensive surgery also is more likely to have issues since you have
to seat the lens in exactly the correct position. However, the claim is that
it doesn’t happen that often.

In both cases the surgery takes 20 minutes.

Has anyone had cataract surgery? How has it affected your lacemaking? What
choices did you make and are you happy with them? It would really be
devastating to impair my lacemaking at this stage of my life. It is a little
too late to find a hobby that requires good distance vision.

Blindly,
Devon.

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RE: [lace] Re: Flickr photos for Arachne

[J-D Hammett]

Hi Sue,

Thank you so much for putting all the effort in to keep this going.

Happy lacemaking,

Joepie,
East Sussex, UK


From: Sue Babbs
Sent: 19 January 2022 19:52
To: Arachne
Subject: [lace] Re: Flickr photos for Arachne

I thought you'd all like to know that we have had 10 people volunteer so
far to help pay this year's subscription, one of who is willing to
underwrite any balance not met by other people.  So clearly people still
want to keep our Arachne flickr account open.  Many thanks to those 10
ladies!<


..>
I will continue to collect names of people willing to help fund our
Flickr account for another year by donating a small sum eg $3 or $6 to
pay the bill in April.

Sue
suebabbs...@gmail.com

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Re: [lace] Flickr photos for Arachne

[J-D Hammett]

Hi,
I would like to keep the photo site for Arachne. It is inspiring to see so many 
beautiful pieces. I would contribute to the Flickr account.
Happy lace making,
Joepie, East Sussex, UK

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From: owner-l...@arachne.com  on behalf of Ruth Lyon 

Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2022 9:57:22 PM
To: J Reardon 
Cc: Sue Babbs ; Arachne 
Subject: Re: [lace] Flickr photos for Arachne

I am also willing to donate toward the Flickr account.

Ruth Lyon

Dubuque, Iowa



On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 3:41 PM J Reardon  wrote:

> I’m willing to chip once it’s decided and we know how many donors there
> are.
>
> Jean Reardon, western Pennsylvania
>
>
>
> Jean
> > On Jan 16, 2022, at 12:36 PM, Sue Babbs  wrote:
> > Hi All
> >
> > One of our members reminded me this weekend, that it is time to consider
> > our Flickr Subscription. In 2020, a group of Arachneans helped pay for a
> > 2 year subscription, which expires mid-April 2022. The two year plan is
> > no longer available. The cost to us in April will be $72 for one year.
> >
> > Arachne barely has any conversations these days, so I am no longer sure
> > whether we still wish to host photos on the internet.
> >
> > I thought I'd raise this topic now so that we have time to discuss
> > keeping our Flickr Pro account.  If we decide not to keep it we will
> > still have enough time for people to download any photos they want
> > mid-April.
> >
> > So over to all of you:
> > firstly do we still want to keep this Flickr Pro account and
> > secondly, if we do, are there 12 people each willing to pay $6 to share
> > the costs of the account?  Or 24 people to pay $3 each?
> >
> > Please do not send me any money until we have corporately decided on
> > whether we want to keep the account
> >
> > Sue
> > suebabbs...@gmail.com
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RE: [lace] Re: Honiton frog patterns

[J-D Hammett]

Hi,

As a Dutch woman, a lace-maker and lace-teacher living in England, who
occasionally designs a few bits for my students I am rather upset about the
tone of the original message. To call someone a “damned Dutch woman” is NOT
something I would have expected on Arachne. Not only that, it lobs all Dutch
women onto one heap. I have never in my life claimed anyone else’s patterns as
my own and always try to give the name of the original designer, where at all
possible, for any pattern I use.

HAPPY lacemaking,
Joepie Hammett in sunny Sussex.



From: i...@thecraftcorner.co.uk
Sent: 22 June 2022 09:46
To: 'Daphne Martin'; 'ROBERT
MORRIS'; 'Jane
Partridge'; 'Clare
Lewis'
Cc: lace@arachne.com
Subject: RE: [lace] Re: Honiton frog patterns

I feel your pain. Louise West had the audacity to purchase 3 of my angels
and then come out with one of her own. I wish I had the cost to sue but
sadly I didn't so she got away with it.

Please try and carry on designing, it is going to be hard to trust anyone
again for a while but there really are lovely lacemakers out there who
appreciate what you do.

Lou

-Original Message-
From: owner-l...@arachne.com  On Behalf Of Daphne
Martin
Sent: 21 June 2022 20:35
To: ROBERT MORRIS ; Jane Partridge
; Clare Lewis 
Cc: lace@arachne.com
Subject: Re: [lace] Re: Honiton frog patterns

Nobody has the damn right to just take other peoples patterns and pretend
they are their designs. It is totally disgusting and really unfair.
Where is the care for our designers rights.
??
I had a damned Dutch woman take all my patterns and  marked them as her own.
It didb

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Re: [lace] bobbin identification

[J-D Hammett]

Dear Jo,
Could you put some clear photos up on the Arachne site on Flickr,  please?
Without seeing the bobbins it is impossible to identify them. Even from photos
it is not always easy.
Happy lacemaking!
Joepie in Sussex, UK

PS. Sorry I don't know how to trim emails on my phone. Any instructions
gratefully received. Thanking you in advance. J.

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From: owner-l...@arachne.com  on behalf of Jo Pol

Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 3:34:35 PM
To: lace@arachne.com 
Subject: [lace] bobbin identification

Hello Brian and other arachnids

The bobbins were once bought by a commercial pilot for his wife, now acquired
by a museum owner. Enough to dress up a pillow with some bucks point. But is
it a bucks point model? Some are rose wood and inlay of silver. Anyone any
idea about the potential maker or region of origin?

Jo

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RE: [lace] bobbin identification

[J-D Hammett]

Hi Fellow Arachnids,

These bobbins are not Bucks point bobbins. I think they were probably made by
a Dutchman living in the UK near Tonbridge or Tunbridge Wells and who used to
dabble in continental style lace bobbins. He never made two the same, although
they were quite beautifully executed. All the silver inlay was sourced from
silver scrap, such as broken silver propelling pencils, broken jewellery etc.

It is a long time since I have seen him and I am afraid I will have to look
through a lot of paperwork to come across his name which I haven’t got time
for at present. But I would have thought that he has passed away as he was old
even then (more than 25 years ago) and not a well man.

Hope that helps a little.

Happy lacemaking,
Joepie in warm and mainly sunny Sussex, UK.



From: Jo Pol
Sent: 28 July 2022 16:50
To: lace@arachne.com
Subject: Re: [lace] bobbin identification

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> Op 28-07-2022 17:49 schreef Jo Pol :

> So sorry, I forgot to add thelink

> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 3:34:35 PM
> > To: lace@arachne.com 

> > Hello Brian and other arachnids
> >
> > The bobbins were once bought by a commercial pilot for his wife, now
acquired by a museum owner. Enough to dress up a pillow with some bucks point.
But is it a bucks point model? Some are rose wood and inlay of silver. Anyone
any idea about the potential maker or region of origin?
> > Jo

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[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Lace Police

[J-D Hammett]

These are fun and would make lovely greeting cards for lacemakers.






From: The Lace Bee







I've made some wordles - word art from the phrases we used yesterday and they 
are available on my website to download.
http://thelacebee.weebly.com/arachne.html

go to the acrachne page and scroll down to the bottom,  click on the image you 
like to get the full size and then right hand click the mouse button and save 
the one you like.

Feel free to use them on anything you like 


Kind Regards
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