Re: [LegacyUG] How to avoid blank page
Jane, I would suggest that you not eliminate that page, Jane, since it is standard in publishing. Of course, everyone has their own ³style,² and you may hate that page. g Janis Walker Gilmore http://JanisGilmore.com On 11/8/09 12:38 PM, Jane Sarles sarlesinsi...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone tell me how to avoid the blank page that I get on all reports after the title page? I have checked format, page layout and include, but do not find the option to do away with the blank page. Jane Sarles Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Most have switched?
Suzanne, I switched from TMG two or three years ago, and with a database of only around 4000, I had a lot of trouble with clean-up, too. However, the switch coincided with jumping on a genealogy education track (IGHR, NIGR, the NGS course, and so on), and as a result, the clean-up time was also a profitable time for me. The clean-up garnered me a lot of new perspective on old lines that I hadn't looked at for a while. So it's not all bad! Janis Walker Gilmore On 10/19/09 7:51 PM, Suzanne Scheraga sjscher...@yahoo.com wrote: I've recently switched to Legacy from TMG and have had a really hard time with clean up. I'm not all that experienced with either program so I may be having a harder time than you would. One of the interesting things I learned from this group is how Access can be used to modify the Legacy database. My advice is to work really hard at mapping your fields and learning if it is possible to use external tools like Access to correct anticipated problems. Since I have been working so hard on cleanup (and I have a very small project compared to yours), I wish I understood more about both software programs before the transfer. I'm sure I would have saved myself a lot of work. Suzanne Reddick, Florida --- On Mon, 10/19/09, * vkgm1...@gmail.com wrote: From: * vkgm1...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Most have switched? To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 2:30 PM Bob, I am struggling with leaving TMG 7.04 now, mainly because of the tired, FoxPro-based interface. In the last few days, I have looked at GRAMPS, RootsMagic, Legacy, and FTM 2010, but Legacy is in the forefront for my new application. The problem for me is that I have 8,500+ individuals, many of which have WITNESS tags, which I understand do not import well. ~ Kat On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:46 PM, SgtBob s...@cox.net wrote: I've used a number of genealogy programs over the past 10-15 years as most of us have done and I have found that Legacy is about the most versatile one I've ever used. It has a learning curve to be sure, but I suspect that you will be a spokesperson for it once you've used it for a while. I've been using it for a little over a year and am still learning all the benefits it has. Stay with it, you wont regret having learned to use it. My only desire would be that an Apple version would be developed so I could boot the Virtual Machine I have to run. I do understand that that is probably not going to happen due to the Access portion of the package - but I'm staying with Legacy anyway. :-) Bob Heather Stovold hstov...@gmail.com wrote: Well I, for one, had switched... I first used a genealogy program in 1988, and Legacy didn't exist at that point. I was very careful about changing programs for a lot of reasons (including a couple of bad experiences.) - but switched to Legacy a few years ago after being recommended by a friend (and then I read reviews etc.) I think with a careful read, that you are correct - the person was indicating that any genealogy program is overwhelming if it is their first ever genealogy program - and that even making a switch can take a while to get used to the differences. This is true in general of any computer program. On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Ward Walker wnkwal...@rogers.com wrote: Well that's sad. Is it really true? People only turn to Legacy after frustrations with other programs? I would have thought, after all these years, that most of us went looking for a genealogy program and chose Legacy, based on reviews, ads, free trials, etc. Legacy is the only program I have used. I chose it about 12 years ago and found it quite intuitive, relative to other (non-genealogy) programs I had used. (I realize Legacy was simpler then.) I have to skip over all the vague references on this list to FTM, etc., which are meaningless to me. I hope you are saying that _any_ first-time genealogy program can be overwhelming, depending on one's general computer experience, rather than saying that Legacy, in particular, is overwhelming. I suspect that following this List can often be much more overwhelming than basic use of the program itself. :-) Ward - Original Message - From: Michele Lewis cranberryf...@charter.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Lost and needing help Mary, Is this the first genealogy program you have used? I can see how it could be VERY overwhelming to someone who has never used a computer genealogy program before. Most of us have switched from other programs (and it still can be a little daunting). ... Legacy User Group guidelines:
Re: [LegacyUG] Sources
Tom, I understand the question. If you have the document, why cite it? Answer. Even if you have the document, you might sometime need to know where it came from. You may see genealogy as a hobby, and don¹t feel worried about professional standards but you might want to be aware that the work that you are doing now, while it may be quite sound, cannot be considered lasting if it is not properly sourced. Your citations protect your long hours of work. I suggest that you invest in a guide to genealogical source citations. The most widely accepted authority is Evidence Explained by Elizabeth Shown Mills. Good luck to you. Janis Walker Gilmore http://www.JanisGilmore.com Pawleys Island, SC, Seattle, WA On 10/14/09 11:25 AM, Tom Thorpe tom072...@yahoo.com wrote: Good Morning All, A Master Source question. Because I produce and attatch a digital image of every source within Legacy, why would I need to cite any other Master Source other than the Personal Collections one I have created? Example: from the NY State Archives, I obtained a copy of my ancestor's death certificare. That image is now attached to my source listing as a multimedia image, for anyone to see. Could I not just group it under a master source called Personal Collections and be done with it? Why would I also need to list a Master Source as New York State Department of Health, repository New York State Archives, etc.,when anyone wanting to verify my work can look right at the attached copy of the original? Thanks. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census information
In theory, it seems as if that would be true. But I haven't done much combining of sources, so I can't speak with any authority. g Janis On 10/5/09 4:21 PM, Bruce Jones juicebo...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me that it is easier for a Splitter to move toward being a Lumper (by combining Master Sources) than it is for a Lumper to move towards being a Splitter. Do you agree? On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote: Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census information
Kristen, I split at the county level, too, and have no problem with the number of sources. I have found any other method unsatisfactory at some point. Janis On 10/4/09 2:37 AM, Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net wrote: Jim: You're welcome. But just be forewarned: Someday you might want to know which families were all living in the same state at the same time . . . or the same county. Then you'll be on the road to splitting. I split at the county level and probably have well over 200 census sources but it bothers me not at all. (A certain Ron is cringing at this G.) Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 8:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census information Thanks, Kirsten. It looks pretty good, so in the meantime I'll do it that way. You said it's extreme, but consider that a census is a document with 50 volumes, each volume has hundreds of chapters. Even the 1790 census would have at least 13 sources plus the counties. Even narrowing it down to states would produce over 50, considering territories such a Puerto Rico and Guam. But maybe I'm being too detailed. Anyway, your suggestion will work as a work-around. Thanks again. Jim On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net wrote: Jim: That's pretty extreme lumping, but it should be easy to do. (And just today I wrote that I'm reforming from this!) Anyway, why can't you just create a Master Source called 1790 US Census and leave out the other location details. Then on the Source Detail screen on the Source Clipboard, you put the state, county, etc. in the ID of Person field. That seems to create a pretty decent looking citation. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 4:41 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Census information I record census information as part of residency then I can do a chronology showing residence to compare people I think may be related. I then use the source writer for the census information and supplement it in the notes with my comments, such as children, etc. that clarify the numbers a little better. Problem is, the source writer asks for the state and county in the master source rather than in the detail. That means that I have multiple sources for the same area because different states and counties are involved. I want a single source for 1790, 1800, etc. rather than 1790-New Hampshire-Grafton,1790-New Hampshire-etc... Then the detail would include the local information. I have made a suggestion to Legacy to make the change as using the override to redo the citations is cumbersome, but I would like to get some feedback on my idea, methods, and other possibilities. Jim Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors?
Oh, yes, completely agreed on that, Ron. I would only use corrective brackets in the notes field, which is where I place the transcription of the whole family. Janis On 10/3/09 6:32 PM, Ron Ferguson rnldfe...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Personally, I do not like anything in a name field other than a quoted name in the given name field. If sic or anything else in brackets or otherwise is added to the surname field then (a) it will not show where you wish in an index and (b) it will not be included in a surname search. In my view AKAs and Notes should be used in order to maintain the integrity of the name fields. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Janis L Gilmore wrote: Mary, I agree with those who have advised you that accepted historical/genealogical procedure is to transcribe exactly what you see. You never know how it might come into play later. As an alternate to using sic in brackets, it is also appropriate to insert (also in brackets) what you believe the name was intended to be or should have been. Brackets are the universal symbol for I'm adding something here of an editorial nature, and it was not in the original. Janis Walker Gilmore Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Transcribing census errors?
Mary, I agree with those who have advised you that accepted historical/genealogical procedure is to transcribe exactly what you see. You never know how it might come into play later. As an alternate to using sic in brackets, it is also appropriate to insert (also in brackets) what you believe the name was intended to be or should have been. Brackets are the universal symbol for I'm adding something here of an editorial nature, and it was not in the original. Janis Walker Gilmore On 10/3/09 3:34 AM, Mary Horner maryhor...@shaw.ca wrote: When the enumerator has made errors, most commonly in spelling the surname, or when you are getting the info online where the transcriber has made errors in interpreting the handwriting, do you copy into Legacy what is actually there or what should have been there - the correct spelling? My family has a unique name wherein anyone in Canada with the same spelling is related and the spelling has always been consistent within the family going back over 200 years, but the errors in census are amazing. I would never have found the family had they not lived on the same homestead for 5 generations. When I finally found a census where the name was correct, the enumerator was my great-grandfather! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] What to cite?
Eric, Are they the records of the same church? I would, personally, want all of the references in my timeline. If they are all from the same source, I¹m sure you are aware that you can create a master source, and enter details regarding page, date, event, individual on the detail screen. Janis On 10/3/09 4:58 AM, Eric sigmentenb...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone- I have a couple questions if you don't mind: 1)-What are your opinions on what information to cite? I have some individuals in my family who appear in many records; for example, one of my 6th great-grandfathers appears no less than 17 times in church records. Is it appropriate for me to create citations for all 17 times his name appeared in the records? 2)-For more recent ancestors, their names may appear dozens of times in various records. Do I cite only the most reliable (vital, church records) ones or cite other obscure ones as well that give the same information? This is something that I have been thinking about for a long time and just need some opinions on it. Thank you! Sincerely, Eric Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information
Good genealogical narrative can never be generated by your software. It requires writing and thinking and correlating. A database is for keeping track of well, data. g A narrative is something that you craft. Janis Walker Gilmore On 9/16/09 12:01 PM, Cathy-0 chorn0...@optimum.net wrote: When using any computer software, you need to ask yourself as to what is the end result that you wish to see? Once you know what that is you can then enter your data to achieve that. My end result is usually the Descendant Book or Modified Register Report. Since this is easy to read, my data entries in the Notes field are written as sentences. So, when entering census info, I start by using the basic census template. Then use the following entries: Event: Census Description: 1850 Federal Date: 29 Aug 1950 Place: Mentz, Cayuga County, New York Notes: Nathan Holmes was shown as being 41 years old and born in New York state. He was a farmer. He lived on Oxford Lane and owned his own home and farm. By placing the year in the Description field, it also shows up in the Individual view easily so that I can easily see if I listed a census out of chronological order. In the Notes section, I place everything that appears in the census for the individual and write it in sentences because my end result is usually the Descendant Book. The reason that I place everything from a census in the notes for each specific individual is that when reading the Descendant Books, the reader is going to read one person at a time. If information relating to a person is not found under his own entry, the reader can overlook that data or information entirely. My source for a census event is taken directly from the page at Ancestry.com. The main source remains the same for everyone with the same census year and only the Details contains any variable information. Main Source: United States of America, Bureau of the Census, 1850 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. (Seventh Census of the United States, 1850. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1850. M432, 1,009 rolls.), Details: Year: 1850; Census Place: Mentz, Cayuga, New York; NARA Series M432, Roll: 481; Page: 90; Image: 181. Repository:Ancestry.com, Provo, Utah, http://www.ancestry.com/. In this way, whenever I printed a Descendant Book it is easy to read and the footnotes contain only footnote information and not details about a person's life. I've looked at reports where personal data was placed into the footnotes and I have found it to be difficult to read such reports. But whatever you do, be consistent in your input and look at your end results to see if you like them. And as long as someone else can read your reports and use your sources to locate the original documentation, you know that you have succeeded. Happy Hunting! Cathy-0 -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Alan Jones Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:35 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Entering US Census Information I have seen many post about how to document/source Census information and the different styles and to be honest I have not made up my mind and won't till I have really done enough to decide. What I have seen less discussion of and really wanted to know more of is how to others document the lines/columns in a Census or do you even bother? 1. In Legacy you have an event called Census. What others enter do and find works best and why for the related event fields? -Description: -Date: -Place: -Notes: 2. How do you enter specific fields such as in the 1900 US Census like: Relation, Color or Race, Attended School, Can Read, Can Write, Can speak English, Owner or rented home, Farm or House .. or even my favorite in the 1870 Census is Whether deaf and dumb, blind, insane, or idiotic. Do you actually type Can Read: then Yes or No etc.? For each field? Where do you put that info so it looks right and shows up. 3. Do you do anything different if they are Head of House Hold vs not? 4. If you find an occupation field do then also enter that information into a new occupation event? Same thing This information sorta seems like source text, but that did not seem like the best place to put it so it would show up right in most reports. I could see how some would even put it in two places event and source text and I don't mind doing that if that were the best thing How do others handle all the fields and fun details so it shows right in reports or do you just say they were listed in the Census and provide no detailed information? More details the better. thanks for any all suggestions Alan Legacy User Group guidelines:
Re: [LegacyUG] Best fit - image of ancestor
I would add a note in the file of the primary (perhaps earliest) ancestor to whom you think he is related, re-stating the hypothesized relationship, so that you remember him from the other end, too. Janis Walker Gilmore On 8/14/09 5:08 AM, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote: Tracy Skegg wrote I've been lurking for ages, going on holidays visiting living and deceased relatives, started getting called a tomb raider by my family. Anyways - I found an image in our national archives of a man that has the same name as my ancestor, in an area the same as my ancestor. His image is startingly like that of my cousin and my brother. I haven't made the paper connections yet, but this man is almost certainly my ancestor. How do I enter this archive image and document into my file? What kind of notes can I write to show that I think he's related but haven't proven it yet? I would create an unlinked individual in my existing file and attach the image to him. As for the notes, what you have written above from I found ... to ... my ancestor seems perfectly adequate to me. I would write that in the Research Notes field. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Spurious Spaces in General Notes (Legacy 7 De Luxe) : PS
Don, I have no idea, but it was a pleasure to roll ³spurious spaces² over my tongue. g How about ³spurious and specious spaces?² Janis On 6/30/09 11:36 AM, Don Montague don.monta...@virgin.net wrote: See aditional information in PS below. Original message: Example: Part of one of my General Notes read as follows, as copied into the Notes box: For Brunlees he was resident engineer in 18635 on the Cleveland Railway in Yorkshire, and in 18668 on the Mont Cenis Railway (on the Fell system), for which he directed the construction of special locomotives in Paris in 186970. I closed this person, went someone else, and then returned, and the Notes now read: For Brunlees he was resident engineer in 1863 5 on the Cleveland Railway in Yorkshire, and in 1866 8 on the Mont Cenis Railway (on the Fell system), for which he directed the construction of special locomotives in Paris in 1869 70. Each time I re-open the Notes the number of spaces has increased by two, and this seems to go on indefinitely. It is unbelievingly maddening. Note that the hyphens are 'long hyphens' ANSI character 0151 - no such problem occurs when I use other ANSI characters for accents in foreign words. How do I report this bug, please? Don Montague PS This problem also occurs if the hyphen is special character 4,33 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census Source Citation Question
Cathy, I cite the head of household: Joel F. DeBoard household. The exception is when it is someone of a different surname, boarding in the household, or a nephew in the household, etc. In which case, I cite it as Joel F. DeBoard household, for Michael Smith, boarder. Janis Walker Gilmore On 6/25/09 1:59 AM, Cathy Vallevieni cathyv...@cox.net wrote: If I understand it correctly when citing a Census, the citation includes the name of the person (ID of Person in Legacy) and that means each family member's name would be listed separately for the source assigned to them. Since each different citation shows up as a separate source in the endnotes, if there's a family of 10, then there would be 10 separate citations in the endnotes for that single Census. This would add up for 3 or 4 or more Census' per family. Is it appropriate to just enter in the ID of Person field just the head of household's name (i.e. John Smith Family) for all citations of that Census rather than each individual's name when assigning that Census to each family member listed on the Census? In other words for the 1850 Census for John Smith's family, instead of listing Sally Smith on the Detail Source for her, Jim Smith on his, John Smith on his, etc, would it be appropriate to list John Smith Family as the ID of Person on the Detail Source for all family members resulting in one citation in the endnotes? Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] citing US genweb
Linda, Page 295 of _Evidence Explained_ has an example of just such a website. Janis On 6/5/09 2:20 PM, Linda Bischoff lkbisch...@mchsi.com wrote: I am braving the wrath of certain individuals on this list, hoping that I have my ducks in a row and won't offend anyone with my question. I have used plain text and have searched the archives for a suitable answer but not sure I have entered the right search terms. I would like to know if I can use Sourcewriter for citing the US genweb (or world genweb). It is so useful for research, but I don't know how to cite it. Do I use internet? and if so, where do I go from there? In my old sources, I have used Genweb, United States, with (for instance) Kansas, Ford County, Newspaper articles (accessed 30 Jun 2003) in the detail and then citing the article I read. But I don't like the way it looks, especially with the professional looking Sourcewriter citations. Does anyone else use information from GenWeb as a source when using Sourcewriter. Thanks. Linda B. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sources
Michael, I have tried various things, but have found that my chosen method is to break the census down by year, state and county. So my source list looks like this (or could if I didn't have more sources for each state and county): Missouri, Howell - census 1910 (Ancestry) Missouri, Howell - census 1920 (Ancestry) Missouri, Howell - census 1930 (Ancestry) Nebraska, Platte - census 1900 (Ancestry) And so on. The details tab contains the p., township, dwelling and family numbers, etc. I transcribe the census data itself into a census event, because I like to see them in the Chronology. I make notes about other families in proximity on the Comments tab, but set them not to print. This works well for me. There are many different ways, however. You'll find the right one or your work style. Janis Walker Gilmore On 5/22/09 11:39 AM, Michael L. Thomas lega...@bennascents.com wrote: I would like to do things right. My question deals with the census. Do I create a for each census and then just edit the source details for each person, and how do you cite all the people on the same page like the families? Thanks Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] File View Transport - Mobile App
Rochelle, As it happens, I looked at the genealogy apps for iPhone just yesterday. There is a nice companion to Reunion (which I do not use, preferring Legacy), and a couple of programs that accept a gedcom. I haven't tried any of them. Janis On 5/10/09 10:31 AM, Rochelle Coslow-Robinson mety...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning, I know this is a long shot, but are there any Iphone users out there that have used the mobile apps to review their data on the move? I would love it if Legacy would create one or do you recommend one? I know there are mobile apps on the Legacy site, but they don't interface with Iphone. Thanks! Rochelle Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Re: Unable to copy scanned documents into Legacy events or Notes
Bill, You should consider the possibility that the exercise of transcribing, and then abstracting, the document(s) would be beneficial in a number of ways. I always find that I learn so much in the process of transcribing. I see things that I didn¹t notice before, and somehow I just absorb the document in a more meaningful way. I do have OCR software, and I do not use it (for genealogy) at all. Do a Google search for genealogical transcription and abstraction guidelines, for method. The NGS and BCG sites offer help on this subject. In brief: 1. Preserve original spelling. You can insert your corrections in parenthesis, if required for clarification. 2. There are divided opinions about line breaks, but I prefer to break each line where it breaks in the original document, unless it is so lengthy that the line breaks become absurdly cumbersome. 3. The transcription should carry your name, contact address (at least email), and the date. 4. The transcription should carry a source citation. 5. If it is a deed, it should carry the date that the deed was drawn, the date that it was proven or acknowledged (or the dower examined), and the date of filing or recording. 6. Consistency is the key, but some people use italics for anything not in the body of the document, and regular type face for the transcription material. 7. If it is a printed form, which has been filled in by pen, you may choose to distinguish the printed portions from the penned portions by underlining the latter, or using two different fonts. Sometimes there is no quick fix and sometimes, the quick fix isn¹t really a fix. Just take a deep breath, and begin to read and understand your documents. Sorry if this seems pedantic it is genuinely not my intent. Just trying to pass along what it has taken me many years to learn (and am still learning). It¹s late, I¹m tired, and I have probably left out some very important stuff. That¹s where the Google search comes in. g Good luck with the project. Lovely to have too many documents! Janis Walker Gilmore On 5/8/09 3:42 PM, Bill Rhodes wlrho...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all who responded to my request for help and advice. I have spent the last day or so checking them all out. To Ward Carl - no, OCR is not included in my Scanner which is an Epson Perfection 4490. To JLB, the docs I want to copy are way to long to do a split screen and type. That is what I am trying to avoid. And to Dennis, I have scanned as jpg. and saved to file but cannot do a cp - not possible, and I do not want to insert an image into Legacy.To John R., I checked out IrisPro v.10 and it looks very good, but as you say it is spendy - way too much for my budget. To Grover O. Gene Y. - I downloaded the Free OCR and it is easy to use and it works. The only drawback is that (at least with old copies of old docs) it comes up with some strange words symbols which require a lot of correcting and cleaning up, but I may be able to live with it. To Dennis K. the Abbyyusa frexpress at $50 for the download version looks good. My question is, will it or any of the other for sale OCR's do a better job than the FreeOCR, or do they all work the same and produce innaccurate copies that have to be cleaned up? If Abbyy frexpress produces fairly clean accurate copies it might be worth the $50. I would be interested in hearing your comments or suggestions. Thanks again for eveyone's help - really great!! Bill Rhodes On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Bill Rhodes wlrho...@gmail.com wrote: I have somehow lost my original email and the replies to it, but I was told by someone that to get scanned docs into Legacy I need Optical Reader software (which makes sense) and that I could find free ones for download. After a lot of searching on Google I was never able to find completely free software - free usually becomes free trial period or donation required, etc. I finally ordered SIMPLE OCR - the free version with an obligatory $25 donation. After downloading installing - it does not work! I called them and they do not support the free version. After some discussion they agreed to refund the $25. So I am back to square one. I really do not want to re-type all these records if there is a better way. I would welcome and all any further ideas or suggestions. How do the rest of you folks do it? Bill Rhodes Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy on a Mac
The latest versions of Fusion do allow drag and drop, back and forth. An alternate idea is to install DropBox, drop the file into it, and open it up on the Mac side. But if she has web-based mail, I don¹t know why she couldn¹t just open IE on the PC side, and go to her webmail account. She may be making a conscious choice, for security reasons, not to access the internet from the pc side, but it surely wouldn¹t hurt just this once. Janis On 4/30/09 11:59 AM, Bob Withers b...@pobox.com wrote: The following is from the VMWare web site: Data Sharing Share data back and forth between your Windows and Mac with ease. Drag and drop files from your Mac to Windows, and back. Copy and paste styled text from Mac apps into Windows apps, and vice versa. Access all your Mac files, straight from any Windows application. VMware Fusion¹s Mirrored Folders easily maps special folders on your MacDesktop, Documents, Pictures, and Musicto their counterparts in your virtual machine. Use your Windows applications to run and modify Mac files and save files from your Windows applications straight to the Mac. On Apr 30, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Sherry/Support wrote: Great idea! I'll suggest that to her. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Gary Templeman Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:35 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy on a Mac Since a Mac can read Windows files, why can't she just save the PDF to a flash drive (or probably even the hard drive), then read it directly when back in Mac mode? She doesn't need to try and get to Windows from the Mac side to generate the report. Gary Templeman - Original Message - From: Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:10 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy on a Mac Ok, so here's a support person asking for support from the users rbg I'm working with a user who has a Mac and is running Legacy under Fusions with Windows XP. She created a report in Legacy and saved it to PDF to email to a distant cousin. The problem is she can't connect to the internet on the Windows side and she can't pull the report off the Windows side to send through her webmail account on the Mac side. She spent over an hour at the Mac store with their people trying to figure out how to do what she needs to do and I don't know a darn thing about the Mac so I can't help her at all. So how would someone send a report created in Legacy on the Windows side via webmail that she can only access on the Mac side I'll bet there's an easy way g Has anyone else had problems with this? Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] order of names
Randolph, please give an example, because I am not sure that I understand what you are saying. A woman¹s maiden name is Susan Jane Jones. She marries a man whose last name is Smith. So she should, in my view, be referred to as Susan Jane Jones most of the time, but sometimes by her married name of Susan Jane (Jones) Smith. Janis On 4/20/09 5:33 PM, Randolph Clark ceddaco...@gmail.com wrote: In what I viewed as trying to be helpful I fired off a quick note to an Ancestry.com poster to let her know that she had reversed portions of my cousins name. Below is part of her response: The order of the names has to do with the Ancestry suggestion that runs throughout my extensive trees and is common in the US. The important for genealogy reasons maiden name is placed at the end and any married last names placed after the first name. Has anyone ever heard of this? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy for Linux?
Bob, I am using VMWare Fusion, with XP Pro installed on it, and running Legacy very nicely on both my MacBook Air and my iMac. If you haven't tried it with the latest generation of Macs, you will be surprised at how beautifully it works. Just like having a little pc inside my Mac. Legacy is the only thing that I keep on that side. I don't even do my genealogy Internet work on the pc side. Janis On 4/15/09 6:11 AM, s...@cox.net s...@cox.net wrote: Or for a MAC? I love Legacy, but hate Windows because of the constant hassle of tweaking and the other issues with this OS. I have not been able to find a suitable Genealogy program for my MAC that approaches the things I like about Legacy - developers, please tell me you are working on a MAC version? If a Legacy program for Linux is ever adopted, I will devote my PC solely to Linux and Legacy. and use my MAC for the rest of my needs. Bob -- /Users/robertrunion/Desktop/eMail Icons/signature.pdf ci...@treadles.ca wrote: I'd dearly love to say good-bye to Microsoft OS and switch to Linux but the only thing holding me back is changing to a new (and much less developed, from what I've read) genealogy program. Does Legacy have any plans to develop a Linux-compatable genealogy program? Helen Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Private Flaming
Oh, Connie, please don't leave. You are one of a handful of people on this list that I feel I can count on to approach genealogy as the discipline that it is. Either I have missed the flames directed at you (I do sometimes move quickly through the mail), or they have been off-list. If off-list, they quickly merit the delete button. I have had several of those recently, too. There is a great group here (Ron, Wendy, JL, others) who offer good counsel, and seldom any editorial content. They are great technical advisers. Then there is a group, bigger than I would like to think, who are simply argumentative, demanding, and difficult. This has been my primary problem in sticking with Legacy. And I concur that, of all of the lists to which I have belonged, this ranks among the most contentious. I must say the list coordinators are prone to listen to the squeaky wheels rather than the more reasonable folk who populate the list. This contributes to maintaining a lower tone. I like so many things about Legacy. I can't afford the time right now to change software (applying for the CG this year). I do hope that you will hang in there. Best, Janis Walker Gilmore On 3/27/09 4:27 PM, Connie Sheets clshee...@yahoo.com wrote: Because of the intensity and frequency of private flaming that I have been receiving from this list over the last few weeks, I will be reverting to as close to lurker mode as I can muster, and am contemplating leaving the list. I have always done my best to be helpful and keep to topic. Quite frankly, I've been on some contentious lists and message boards and have developed a rather thick skin, but this one takes the prize for passive-aggressiveness. To those who seem to have nothing better to do than write aggressive messages to posters who innocently violate your concept of what is appropriate: the Legacy staff, or the polite people on the board, will inform us if we mess up. You don't have to do it for them. If you aren't interested in the subject line, the content of the first post the thread, or the name of the poster, use the delete key thereafter. I deeply appreciate those of you who have helped me learn to make better use of Legacy, and I hope in the process I have at least occasionally helped others. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Flaming - new guidelines?
Perhaps we should institute a new guideline. If anyone on the list receives private flames, they should be forwarded to the list administrator forthwith. I wonder if the administrators have any idea how much it goes on. I doubt it. We could decide, as a group, to forward these messages privately to the list administrator. It would not have to be on the list guidelines, since the messages would not be sent to the list. Janis Walker Gilmore Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Flaming - new guidelines?
Tom, I¹m not suggesting anything, except that the list administrators be made aware of behaviors that aren¹t apparent on the list, but which affect the list, and affect the reputation of the software. They are the concern of the administrator because one or two irrational persons can influence others away from Legacy. I like Legacy. I wish to continue to use Legacy. I want Legacy to prosper. I want hobbyists and professional genealogists alike to use Legacy. I always just hit delete in these controversies. I can¹t imagine what made me participate. (Having said that. My husband will get a good grin out of you comparing me to [the three people you compared me to]. ) Janis On 3/27/09 6:26 PM, Thomas Herson ther...@twcny.rr.com wrote: If the offending messages are not sent to the list, of what concern is it to the list administrator? On the other hand, I think it's dangerous to institute a new guideline and then state that the new guideline wouldn't be on the list guidelines. Maybe Obama, Pelosi and Reid would like to take the list over. Janis' proposal sounds like something they would come up with Tom Herson Ithaca, NY - Original Message - From: Janis L Gilmore mailto:rajan...@earthlink.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:17 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Flaming - new guidelines? Perhaps we should institute a new guideline. If anyone on the list receives private flames, they should be forwarded to the list administrator forthwith. I wonder if the administrators have any idea how much it goes on. I doubt it. We could decide, as a group, to forward these messages privately to the list administrator. It would not have to be on the list guidelines, since the messages would not be sent to the list. Janis Walker Gilmore Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Flaming - new guidelines?
Would you prefer blind postings no possibility for personal emails? My last posting, not to the forum, but to this subject. Janis On 3/27/09 7:30 PM, roy_delos_re...@comcast.net roy_delos_re...@comcast.net wrote: And just what could the List Admin do about private E-mail sent to another person? A wise Admin simply wouldn't want to get involved at all. There are delete keys, let them fight it out offline. - Original Message - From: Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 7:17:15 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [LegacyUG] Flaming - new guidelines? Perhaps we should institute a new guideline. If anyone on the list receives private flames, they should be forwarded to the list administrator forthwith. I wonder if the administrators have any idea how much it goes on. I doubt it. We could decide, as a group, to forward these messages privately to the list administrator. It would not have to be on the list guidelines, since the messages would not be sent to the list. Janis Walker Gilmore Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Flaming - new guidelines?
Famhobby, you assume that you know what I referred to as flaming. It wasn¹t your rather mild note, which was off-line. Ron, Wendy, JL, and others tirelessly reply to technically queries. They are wizards, and make this list worthwhile. They also wisely refrain from engaging in topics such as this. I usually place myself in that category (not the wizard help one the wisely refraining from engaging one). g Janis On 3/27/09 8:10 PM, Famhobby famho...@comcast.net wrote: Perhaps we should all just abide by the existing list rules and there wouldn¹t be a problem. Janis, I notice that you seem to be in the position of ³instituting new guidelines².Are you associated with Millennia?If not, where do you get the power to ignore the existing rules and propose new ones? I thought we were all just subscribers who agreed to abide by the posted list rules. In the past, when anyone addressed the off topic chit chat on the list they were quickly shouted down and told to address it offline with the person involved. Now when that¹s done it¹s called flaming and you¹re going to report that as a crime. Is any offline email that you don¹t like considered flaming? It seems that there¹s a privileged few around here who make the rules as they go for their own purpose. Also maybe we shouldn¹t take the lack of an active moderator as an indication we can do whatever we want to here. It¹s pretty clear there is very little moderation here and a few of the active people think they are running the list. From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Janis L Gilmore Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 8:17 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Flaming - new guidelines? Perhaps we should institute a new guideline. If anyone on the list receives private flames, they should be forwarded to the list administrator forthwith. I wonder if the administrators have any idea how much it goes on. I doubt it. We could decide, as a group, to forward these messages privately to the list administrator. It would not have to be on the list guidelines, since the messages would not be sent to the list. Janis Walker Gilmore Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Publishing papers and Using Legacy
Connie, This is precisely my experience - although I do not limit it to Legacy. I felt the same way when I was using TMG. I create all narratives by hand, occasionally kicking out an easy report for the use of a family member with casual interest. I do, from time to time, create an index report as a form of paper backup for my work (although I do back up to Mozy, an LaCie external hard drive, and Dropbox). Janis On 3/25/09 9:13 AM, Connie Sheets clshee...@yahoo.com wrote: Janis, I will answer your questions privately, but I wanted to post a partial response to Question #1 publicly, as I think it is germane to the use of Legacy. There may be someone out there struggling silently with what I have struggled with for years who can benefit from what I've learned. I love Legacy, and it is great for storing data and printing standard reports, but I am no longer making any effort to download that data into a word processor to produce a real family history, case study, etc. [I write research reports, biographies, etc. from scratch]. And I'm giving up any hope of ever storing most of my data in Legacy beyond basic info (i.e. names, birth, marriage and death dates, etc.). My reason for these decisions is that it is just too time consuming to clean up the info in the word processor, or to enter all that backlog of census records, deeds, etc. If I do all that, I will have no time to write the histories and articles in a way that I feel good about publishing. I might make a different decision about what data I store in Legacy if I was starting my research now, instead of 25+ years ago. But I've already wasted too much time trying to get Legacy to do what it either isn't capable of doing, or I don't have the time and patience to do. The hardest part of this decision was getting over the idea that I should put everything in Legacy, or that I should be able to download into a word processor and clean it up. Connie Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Publishing papers and Using Legacy
I think that is the point that Connie is making, precisely. We should not plan or expect our body of work to come straight out of the genealogical software. The software is there to keep it all organized and easily accessible. The rest is up to us. I should clarify that I really like Legacy. I like it even better than TMG, and I happily used TMG for many years. The fact that neither of them can write for me is okay with me. g Janis Walker Gilmore On 3/25/09 8:04 PM, Kris gen.mailing.li...@gmail.com wrote: Connie Sheets wrote: To see the type of report writing we're talking about, see the BCG website at: http://www.bcgcertification.org/skillbuilders/worksamples.html By clicking on the various links under Case Studies and Proof Arguments, Genealogies, and Research Reports, you can view several examples which meet the standards to which Janis asked if any Legacy UG members were aspiring. I don't know to what extent these requirements apply in Great Britain, Australia, etc., but I suspect there are similar high standards in existence, or emerging, amongst professionals in countries other than the USA. This issue recently came up (in another context) on another list I read. I thought at the time, and I still do, that *in this situation* it isn't Legacy's job to produce such reports. Someone who seeks to be certified should demonstrate the ability to create these reports themselves, not the ability to stick the facts into a computer program and have the reports created for them. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Book template bug
I am using Legacy 7.0.0.86 I just used the SourceWriter book template; book, authored; author known; basic format. The resulting source citation is blank, except for the bibliography entry. Can anyone confirm this bug? Thanks, Janis Walker Gilmore Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Publishing papers
I am curious as to: 1. How many on the Legacy list have been published in genealogical quarterlies, or aspire to do so? 2. How many have attended IGHR at Samford. 3. How many are alumni of NIGR. 4. How many have taken the NGS Home Study course on American Genealogy. 5. How many have participated in other, comparable, programs. Just a personal survey. Thank you to any who participate. Janis Walker Gilmore Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Background of Legacy users
Hi, all, I shot my previous email off without thinking. I generally aim not to alienate. g While I do think that the answers speak directly to the future of the software, within the framework of the discipline, I recognize that it does not relate directly to the usage of the software itself. I withdraw the question. If anyone is interested, they might email me offlist. Best wishes for happy hunting to all, Janis Walker Gilmore Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Writing papers, IGHR, etc
To honor the objections of other(s) on the list, please do not reply on-list to my questions about genealogical experience. I think it would be interesting to know, to compile some stats,etc. However, I have no desire to alienate my fellow list members. And in any case, perhaps they are right. Perhaps it is somewhat off-topic. I would welcome off-list replies, but won¹t necessarily expect them. Happy hunting to all. My apologies to those whom I have offended. Janis Walker Gilmore Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyTest] Re: [LegacyUG] Report problem
Hi, Eileen, I am not clear, from your note, as to what problem you are encountering? Is the problem its location on the map? Janis Walker Gilmore On 3/23/09 3:33 PM, Eileen reilee...@yahoo.com wrote: Sherry, I'm working on the Master Location list trying to get everything as close as possible as Legacy likes, but I'm seeing a problem that the program makes, to many of the same city, like Louisville, Jefferson, Kentucky, USA, I have 17 of the very same name. It's not just this one,but many others, some with few and some with lots, but I don't know if this is a current problem or a old one that I'm just seeing since I'm working each day on this. I'm on the last update .90. Thought I would mention it and see if I'm the only one with this. Thanks Eileen -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Sherry/Support Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1:58 PM To: legacyt...@legacyfamilytree.com; LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyTest] Re: [LegacyUG] Report problem This was reported last week to us and it's been passed on to the programmers. I made a small test file and the Calendar Creator picked up the surname for one married woman and used it for all of them. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Evert van Dijken Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 10:31 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Cc: LegacyTest Subject: [LegacyTest] Re: [LegacyUG] Report problem Confirmed. Tested this in the Sample File: if you look at Sarah M. Brown RIN 30 you'll see that she gets the surname Randall. Evert CC to LegacyTest 2009/3/23 Randolph Clark ceddaco...@gmail.com: Just generated a Calendar Report. My granddaughter's birthday appears on the correct date however she's been given a differen surname! Randy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyTest] Re: [LegacyUG] Report problem
Ah, got it. Eileen, are you sure that there are not minor differences in them? When they are all precisely the same, they should merge themselves, without any other action on your part. Janis On 3/23/09 4:22 PM, Gene Young n2...@cfl.rr.com wrote: Janis L Gilmore wrote: Hi, Eileen, I am not clear, from your note, as to what problem you are encountering? Is the problem its location on the map? Janis Walker Gilmore On 3/23/09 3:33 PM, Eileen reilee...@yahoo.com wrote: Sherry, I'm working on the Master Location list trying to get everything as close as possible as Legacy likes, but I'm seeing a problem that the program makes, to many of the same city, like Louisville, Jefferson, Kentucky, USA, I have 17 of the very same name. It's not just this one,but many others, some with few and some with lots, but I don't know if this is a current problem or a old one that I'm just seeing since I'm working each day on this. I'm on the last update .90. Thought I would mention it and see if I'm the only one with this. Thanks Eileen Janis, I believe she is seeing 17 locations all named Louisville, Jefferson, Kentucky, USA. Eileen, I am unsure what may have caused this, possibly merging comes to mind, but they can all be merged into one location. In the master location screen there is a button labeled Combine. This will allow you to combine them into a single location. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyTest] Re: [LegacyUG] Report problem
I believe even a space can cause the difference. And, of course, the short names must conform as well as the long ones. Janis On 3/23/09 7:39 PM, Diane Murach dmur...@starstream.net wrote: When this happened to me I discovered I had a double letter or a period instead of a comma. There was a difference in each one caused by a typo or punctuation problem. Diane - Original Message - From: Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyTest] Re: [LegacyUG] Report problem Ah, got it. Eileen, are you sure that there are not minor differences in them? When they are all precisely the same, they should merge themselves, without any other action on your part. Janis On 3/23/09 4:22 PM, Gene Young n2...@cfl.rr.com wrote: Janis L Gilmore wrote: Hi, Eileen, I am not clear, from your note, as to what problem you are encountering? Is the problem its location on the map? Janis Walker Gilmore On 3/23/09 3:33 PM, Eileen reilee...@yahoo.com wrote: Sherry, I'm working on the Master Location list trying to get everything as close as possible as Legacy likes, but I'm seeing a problem that the program makes, to many of the same city, like Louisville, Jefferson, Kentucky, USA, I have 17 of the very same name. It's not just this one,but many others, some with few and some with lots, but I don't know if this is a current problem or a old one that I'm just seeing since I'm working each day on this. I'm on the last update .90. Thought I would mention it and see if I'm the only one with this. Thanks Eileen Janis, I believe she is seeing 17 locations all named Louisville, Jefferson, Kentucky, USA. Eileen, I am unsure what may have caused this, possibly merging comes to mind, but they can all be merged into one location. In the master location screen there is a button labeled Combine. This will allow you to combine them into a single location. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.24/2018 - Release Date: 03/23/09 06:52:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a Family Tree found on Ancestry.com Error 91
The trick is to evaluate all sources on these three bases: 1. Original or derivative source? (Digital or microfilm image can be treated as original. 2. Primary or secondary information. Was the record created close to the time of the event? Was the informant involved in the event personally? 3. Direct or indirect evidence. Does it say that John Does was born on this specific date? Or does it say that his sister was born in X year, and her brother, John Doe, was born three years later? A primary source might be of less value than a secondary source, depending on the circumstances. It is up to you to evaluate them on the continuum of all three standards. Janis On 3/12/09 10:58 AM, Ann Parsons aparsons2...@msn.com wrote: Carolyn, I can think of a primary source that has erroneous data. When an ancestor of mine applied for a Social Security Account Number in 1937 he stated he was born Burley ID. I have an affidavit that he was born Malheur County, OR. I have a census where he is born in Italy. I figure if someone checks my sources they can decide for their selves what to believe. I go with Italy until I learn something new. I use alt birth for the other two. Another subject. I am still getting Error 91. I try backing up, get Error 91. I go back in and flog the check/repair until I run out of patience and exit the program. When I go back in most of the time I can do a backup. I just tried doing check/repair 2 times, exit, go back in and I could back up. When Error 91 first started at 116 it slowed down. Each time I do check/repair 116 got slower until it stopped at 116. Now it stops a long time at 116. I have been documenting what I have entered in Legacy and the steps I go thru to get it to back up. Have a nice little pile of this. I hope you are no longer getting Error 91. Ann New Mexico, USA - Original Message - From: CE WOOD wood...@msn.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a Family Tree found on Ancestry.com Unless the family tree has RELIABLE sources, it is just clues. Isn't the Garden of Eden a in YOUR database? Ha-ha. Primary sources are birth/death/marriage certificates and such. Compilations, histories, and such are secondary sources - reliable if they have used primary sources. There are too, too many now infamous genealogies that have been discovered to not only to have confused and comingled families, but also to have fabricated info. This is not recent; it was often a matter of survival in medieaval England to prove connection to a powerful family. Historians and scholarly genealogists are still finding errors in many English county Visitations which depend on the accuracy of the individuals questioned. Property also descended by birth, and there are countless documented cases where it is known that people...LIED...in order to get the property, land being the only source of wealth back then. So, if the family tree is well sourced with RELIABLE sources, it would be a tertiary source. But, in the final analysis, this is YOUR genealogy, and you can call whatever you want a source. Carolyn - Original Message - From: Diane Murachmailto:dmur...@starstream.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.commailto:legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.c om Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a Family Tree found on Ancestry.com - Original Message - From: Duane Bakermailto:dbake...@yahoo.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.commailto:legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.c om Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a Family Tree found on Ancestry.com Then I suppose things such as family letters, newspaper clippings, etc. are just clues and not sources? --- On Mon, 3/9/09, Diane Murach dmur...@starstream.netmailto:dmur...@starstream.net wrote: From: Diane Murach dmur...@starstream.netmailto:dmur...@starstream.net Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a Family Tree found on Ancestry.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.commailto:legacyusergr...@legacyfamilytree.c om Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 6:17 PM I agree. A family tree is a set of clues, not a source. Diane - Original Message - From: Eliz Hanebury elizhg...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I source a Family Tree found on Ancestry.com I Don't source ancestry, I put an online family tree under notes with the URL and then I set out to prove or disprove it. Eliz On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:14 AM, v pedersen amigo...@yahoo.com wrote: I found what Ancestry.com calls a Family Tree on their website. It isn't really a family tree but a
Re: [LegacyUG] Run Time Error 5
Wow, Connie. I am still on the previous build, but will be most interested to see what response you get. janis On 3/11/09 6:06 PM, Connie Sheets clshee...@yahoo.com wrote: I am curious if anyone who (1) had been using Sourcewriter prior to the latest update, and (2) has installed 7.0.0.89 is able to use SourceWriter at all, for any template. If so, which templates work? I seem to have no recourse except to revert to the Basic Source system, which I have, up to this point, avoided doing. Connie Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Impatience with Legacy
Connie and Ward, The Subsequent Citation issue is a troubling one. For the most part, I do narratives and reconstruct citations by hand, rather than relying on reports. Even so, there are occasions when I would like to kick out a little booklet for an interested family member. I would like to hear what Legacy has to say about it, as well. As I hope to complete my CG application this year, I am probably not up for the additional work involved in a software change at the moment. But when that is done, I will be forced to re-evaluate. Janis On 3/8/09 11:45 AM, Ward Walker wnkwal...@rogers.com wrote: Connie, Have you ever seen any feedback from Millennia that they acknowledge any of the 'subsequent citation' bugs that we reported a few months ago (and thoroughly discussed on this list)? I haven't. No direct reponse to logging the bugs, and no e-mails from Support on this list about any of our discussions, as we sometimes see about other issues. I wonder how far down the queue these bugs are, compared to other issues. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Ubiquitous error 91
Thanks, Rich, but I don't think so. I write from-scratch narratives, and never gedcom in or out. I enter by hand. I have deleted a duplicate individual here and there. Janis On 3/2/09 11:19 PM, RICHARD SCHULTHIES fourpa...@verizon.net wrote: What my guess is, is that when you Gedcom some people from your DB, and then back in and merge them to the program, may? find parentless people and/or unmarried parents and 'create' the 'missing' person to 'help' you fill the 'holes'. I base this on how they seem to show up after the above things happen. Rich in LA CA --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ubiquitous error 91 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 6:45 PM It¹s not a matter of those persons that you have entered as ³Unknown.² It¹s some mechanism in the program that accidentally creates parents without your consent. I only had five or so of them. Janis I do hope whomever does! How did you search for the unknown parents? I must have many hundreds because so many ancient wives and mistresses are unknown. But it would be worth creating a mistress or wife of if that would solve the problem. I have had the problem for the past few Legacy releases and versions, but not in the earlier releases, beginning with Legacy 1. Incredible that I can't back up at all after doing all Support told me would work.. Carolyn - Original Message - From: Janis L Gilmore mailto:rajan...@earthlink.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 4:04 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Ubiquitous error 91 Someone on this list (my abject apologies for not remembering who) contacted me offlist about error 91 and suggested that I (among other things) check to see if I had unknown parents that I had not created - and something else similar. I know I sound as if I don't know what I'm talking about, and with good reason. I don't. I followed her instructions, however, and I can now backup in the traditional way. I asked the individual in question if she had contacted support about her findings, and she said that she had. Would whoever that is please contact me again? Thank you so much. Janis Walker Gilmore Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Ubiquitous error 91
Someone on this list (my abject apologies for not remembering who) contacted me offlist about error 91 and suggested that I (among other things) check to see if I had unknown parents that I had not created and something else similar. I know I sound as if I don¹t know what I¹m talking about, and with good reason. I don¹t. I followed her instructions, however, and I can now backup in the traditional way. I asked the individual in question if she had contacted support about her findings, and she said that she had. Would whoever that is please contact me again? Thank you so much. Janis Walker Gilmore Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Ubiquitous error 91
It¹s not a matter of those persons that you have entered as ³Unknown.² It¹s some mechanism in the program that accidentally creates parents without your consent. I only had five or so of them. Janis I do hope whomever does! How did you search for the unknown parents? I must have many hundreds because so many ancient wives and mistresses are unknown. But it would be worth creating a mistress or wife of if that would solve the problem. I have had the problem for the past few Legacy releases and versions, but not in the earlier releases, beginning with Legacy 1. Incredible that I can't back up at all after doing all Support told me would work.. Carolyn - Original Message - From: Janis L Gilmore mailto:rajan...@earthlink.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 4:04 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Ubiquitous error 91 Someone on this list (my abject apologies for not remembering who) contacted me offlist about error 91 and suggested that I (among other things) check to see if I had unknown parents that I had not created - and something else similar. I know I sound as if I don't know what I'm talking about, and with good reason. I don't. I followed her instructions, however, and I can now backup in the traditional way. I asked the individual in question if she had contacted support about her findings, and she said that she had. Would whoever that is please contact me again? Thank you so much. Janis Walker Gilmore Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Digital Images of Census Pages
Mine is similar to Michele's, except I organize them geographically: Missouri, Howell - census 1900 (Ancestry) Missouri, Howell - census 1910 (Ancestry) Missouri, Howell - census 1920 (Ancestry) And so on. One could have several sources for the same census, in which case it would look like this: Missouri, Howell - census 1880 (Ancestry) Missouri, Howell - census 1880 (HeritageQuest) Missouri, Howell - census 1880 (NARA microfilm) Because the source name is only for my use, I do not add the detail about Federal census in the name. I only add that distinction if it is NOT a federal census: Kansas, Rawlins - census 1875, state (Ancestry) It is very much a matter of personal preference and ease. I like to see all of my sources for one county grouped together, rather than all of my census grouped together. Janis Walker Gilmore On 2/16/09 10:09 AM, Michele Lewis cranberryf...@charter.net wrote: I used to be a die hard lumper. I only had one source for the 1900 census (for example). However, with the new Sourcewriter I have been forced to become a splitter :) :) :) Here is what my source list looks like... Census - Federal - GA - Columbia Co - 1880 Census - Federal - GA - Columbia Co - 1900 Census - Federal - GA - Columbia Co - 1910 Census - Federal - GA - Lincoln Co - 1850 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Need a blank line
I¹m not sure what you are seeing Jane, but Geoff points out in the instruction DVD¹s that the reports look better, and space better if you leave a blank line at the top of each Event Notes box start writing on the second line, instead of the first. Janis On 2/16/09 2:08 PM, Jane Sarles sarlesinsi...@gmail.com wrote: I am doing a Descendant Narrative Book report. I have two events in one person's life and they want to come together on the report preview. I would like to start a new paragraphy between, but can't seem to make it happen. They are separate events. What am I doing wrong here? Jane Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Taking DropBox discussion off list
DimJim, Looks like we need to take this discussion off list. Feel free to continue to email me on the topic - same goes for anyone else who wishes to discuss its implementation for the purposes of getting around Error 91. (And I'll probably refer you to Kathy Cardoza, who is much more savvy about it!) Janis Walker Gilmore On 2/13/09 6:55 PM, DimJim dimji...@gmail.com wrote: Kathy, Janis and all, Thanks for all the thoughts, suggestions and concerns. Since my original note, I have deleted all the files in DropBox, then copied all the files from C/Legacy7/Data to DropBox - no joy - still erratic. Sometimes it will open and then again it takes several tries before Legacy will start. THEN I deleted all of those files from DropBox, opened Legacy (always works with no prob when DropBox is empty) and opened my main dbf file, then from Legacy I saved-as with a new file name directly to the Legacy folder within DropBox. Still the same erratic behavior ~ sometimes I get the Runtime Error 91 and it shuts down and then again it will open correctly. Same behavior, both machines. I'm going to uninstall DropBox and then restart both machines before I install LB again. Then I will save-as from Legacy with my main fdb file, to LB with a new file name. If that doesn't work. off to the saloon ;-) or ~ maybe I'll login to the users forum at DropBox On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Kathy Cardoza kmacard...@mac.com wrote: Janis DimJim I'm sure you are absolutely right, Janis! Very astute of you. I totally zoned out on that and didn't take notice of it. Yes, DimJim, I think that might be the problem as Legacy needs all its files in order to work properly. When I first started using Dropbox, I selected all files within Legacy/Data and copied them into a new folder at DropBox/Legacy Data and it has worked flawlessly for me. I chose to name that new folder differently, instead of just copying over the Data folder from within Legacy, so that I could EASILY tell if the location chosen for backups and data saves was indeed my new folder in Dropbox and not the default Data folder in Legacyjust to make it easier and more obvious to me so I could tell at a glance. So, DimJim, if you're not totally soured on Dropbox, you could try again. First, though, make sure your file is in good shape, healthy, and opening from its default location in Legacy. Then try doing either as I did or just copying over your Data folder to your Dropbox. Hopefully, you will get better results. Kathy On Feb 13, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Janis L Gilmore wrote: DimJim Kathy, Kathy, is this because he didn't put the whole Legacy data folder in DropBox? Janis On 2/13/09 10:39 AM, DimJim dimji...@gmail.com wrote: Well mercy sakes Dropbox just hasn't worked 100% for me. The Dropbox program is installed on each computer (1 XP 1 VISTA 64bit), both using the same build of Legacy7 Dlx. From the XP 'puter, I copied my .fdb file to Dropbox. It was immediately copied to Dropbox server and appeared on my VISTA machine. Now, each time I open Legacy I get the dreaded Error 91 - Error opening data base Run-time error '91': Object variable or With block variable not set It then closes the Legacy program. This happens approximately ever other time I open Legacy. Then it will open almost normally. This behavior happens no whether I open Legacy by double clicking the file in the DropBox folder or if I try to start Legacy from the start program. This happens on both the XP and the VISTA machine and it doesn't make any difference whether the Legacy file was closed and then immediately opened on the same machine or the other machine. One other strange thing ~ if I set the Options Customize Starting File to Always Prompt for Starting Family File and then save that setting... the next time I start Legacy, the .fdb file in the LockBox folder is the one used and the setting under Options Customize will have been reset to Open Last Used Family File Automatically. Never had the dreaded Run-Time error 91 or any other problem before using LockBox and will probably need to return to toting my flash driver forth and back between the two machines. Thought I'd post this problem in the hope that it might shed additional light on what is going on with the Run-Time error 91 issue. On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 6:59 AM, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote: Kathy, and others who were involved in the DropBox discussion, as it pertains to the Legacy data file. Brilliant! I love knowing that each time I close my Legacy file on my laptop, it updates my file on my desktop and the reverse. No copying to a thumb drive. No backing up (no pesky error 91). Not even the trouble of moving a file, via the home network, from one machine to the other. Just seamless, effortless synchronization. Ditto for media files. Janis Legacy User
Re: [LegacyUG] Numbering Clipboard events
Barbara, I may wildly misunderstanding the question but there is a section of the video where Geoff explains how he enters census data in the notes of a census event. He numbers the household members. That is not automatic numbering you just number them yourself. (Okay, that is probably stating the obvious, but just in case...) Janis On 2/14/09 1:44 PM, Barbara bschwart...@twcny.rr.com wrote: Hello, I have the latest version of Legacy and as a new learner am struggling with source clipboard entry. I also, have listened to the video many many times and am missing something. Geoff says in the video that the names listed in an individual's events from a census will automatically be numbered. Mine are not. What am I not doing? Thanks Barb Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] DropBox, after using for a few days
Kathy and Erin, I somehow missed Erin's email (one occasionally hits the Junk Mail folder - I try to watch for that). Erin, Kathy has answered your question much more thoroughly than I could have. She is way ahead of me on the curve on that. Kathy, you must have an enormous database or a lot of photos stored in DropBox. I have two databases in itk one of around 4,000 individuals, and one with perhaps 1,000. I also have a small photo folder (still called Photos for TMG - an artifact from my years on TMG), which links to my Legacy files. They are fairly small photos, however, and not my primary photo file, which resides on the desktop and LaCie drive. In addition to those, I have a couple of my most current working Word documents in DropBox, so that they are handy to either computer. And a few other minor zipped backups. I am still on the free version of DropBox, and with those items, have used only 9% of my storage space. (FYI for Erin.) Janis On 2/13/09 9:57 AM, Kathy Cardoza kmacard...@mac.com wrote: Hi Erin I know you addressed your question to Janis, but I thought I'd jump in anyway, with a possible answer for you... Dropbox, the free part of it, only allows you to have 2GB of space so you will want to keep that in mind when you decide on what files to put in your Dropbox. To sync my genealogy files, I needed more space than that, so I bit the bullet and paid for the extra space. Anyway, I now keep my entire Surnames folder in my Dropbox. That way, I can link to any file like a census, from within Legacy, and that link will be preserved on the other computer I am using, as well. Any additions I make to the files in my Surname folder (like a newly found and downloaded census from Ancestry, for example) will be accessible to me for addition into Legacy from EITHER compute I choose to use. I keep my photos separately on my computer. Using a Mac, they all go into a program called iPhoto, which, unfortunately, stores its database in one large file and likes to look for that in a certain place on the computer. So, moving that to Dropbox won't work as iPhoto does not see it there. So, what I did was to export only those photo images that I wanted to see and use in Legacy. I put them in Legacy's Pictures folder which now resides in my Dropbox. Again, these images are viewable from within Legacy from either computer I use. I am not sure if you can have Dropbox on an external drive and have it work for you. I guess you can try it with a small amount of files as a test. If it doesn't work as you want, then move Dropbox to the hard drive of your computer (likely to be C Drive)and that definitely WILL work. It all just depends on the size of your Dropbox (2 GB or more?) and the size of hard drive (available capacity) of both of your computers that will help determine what will work best for you. I hope this answered your question? Oh, BTW, the upload may take a long time, if you transfer a large amount of data into your Dropbox like I did. Mine was about 8GB and that took 24 hours!!! I don't know if that slow speed is the fault of Dropbox or my internet speed on my end, which does fluctuate, especially upload speed. I could still use the computer during that time and it eventually did get it all synced up between both computers. It just took a while for that initial sync. But, it is s worth it! Now, when I make a change, it's instantaneous like you would expect. I think this is a TOTALLY AWESOME way to sync whatever files you want to be able to use on both computers and keep synced. I use it for other similar files, as well. Kathy On Feb 12, 2009, at 6:00 PM, Erin Bradshaw wrote: DropBox, after using for a few daysJanis, Just a small question. You said Ditto for media files. Does that mean that on your Desktop and Laptop your media files are in the same location? I have all my media on an external drive for my desktop, that wouldn't be the case for my laptop. Or if I got an external drive for my laptop, it wouldn't be drive L: as it is on my desktop. Or do you up load all your media to Dropbox also? I am fairly new to Legacy and definitely new to Dropbox. By the way, I can't thank Kathy enough for the introduction! Erin Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] DropBox, after using for a few days
DimJim Kathy, Kathy, is this because he didn't put the whole Legacy data folder in DropBox? Janis On 2/13/09 10:39 AM, DimJim dimji...@gmail.com wrote: Well mercy sakes Dropbox just hasn't worked 100% for me. The Dropbox program is installed on each computer (1 XP 1 VISTA 64bit), both using the same build of Legacy7 Dlx. From the XP 'puter, I copied my .fdb file to Dropbox. It was immediately copied to Dropbox server and appeared on my VISTA machine. Now, each time I open Legacy I get the dreaded Error 91 - Error opening data base Run-time error '91': Object variable or With block variable not set It then closes the Legacy program. This happens approximately ever other time I open Legacy. Then it will open almost normally. This behavior happens no whether I open Legacy by double clicking the file in the DropBox folder or if I try to start Legacy from the start program. This happens on both the XP and the VISTA machine and it doesn't make any difference whether the Legacy file was closed and then immediately opened on the same machine or the other machine. One other strange thing ~ if I set the Options Customize Starting File to Always Prompt for Starting Family File and then save that setting... the next time I start Legacy, the .fdb file in the LockBox folder is the one used and the setting under Options Customize will have been reset to Open Last Used Family File Automatically. Never had the dreaded Run-Time error 91 or any other problem before using LockBox and will probably need to return to toting my flash driver forth and back between the two machines. Thought I'd post this problem in the hope that it might shed additional light on what is going on with the Run-Time error 91 issue. On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 6:59 AM, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote: Kathy, and others who were involved in the DropBox discussion, as it pertains to the Legacy data file. Brilliant! I love knowing that each time I close my Legacy file on my laptop, it updates my file on my desktop and the reverse. No copying to a thumb drive. No backing up (no pesky error 91). Not even the trouble of moving a file, via the home network, from one machine to the other. Just seamless, effortless synchronization. Ditto for media files. Janis Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Including source scanned images in web page creation
I can¹t answer your question, David. But wow, that¹s impressive. Very nice-looking. I haven¹t been on TMG for a while (used it for several years). I very much like the look and feel of legacy, and it has worked well for me. I will look forward to hearing the answer to your question, from those who know. Janis Walker Gilmore Pawleys Island, SC, and Seattle, WA On 2/13/09 3:17 PM, David G. Crouch dgcro...@rogers.com wrote: I have been accumulating my family history for several years and I have now decided that I want to enter this information into a genealogical software program. After exploring the various options, I have narrow my choice between Legacy and The Master Genealogist and have purchased copies of both programs. I have spent some time playing with each program, entering in sample family histories, generating reports, etc. In general, I like the look and feel of Legacy better and I very much like the new SourceWriter and Geo Location Database. However, I want the ability for automatic web page creation that includes a link or icon in a source footnote that will take the user to the actual scanned image of the document. I believe that it is good practice to provide a researcher that may be reviewing my work with the evidence on which I based my conclusions. This objective is simple to obtain using The Master Genealogist and you can see an example I generated at the following link: http://www.david-crouch.com/p1.htm At the bottom of the page in the Citation section, if you click on the camera icon you are taken to a scanned image of the sourced document. I have not been able to replicate this functionality using Legacy. Can anyone in this User Group provide any suggestions to automatically generate this type of web page output? Thanks! David -- David G. Crouch 638 Burning Bush Road Waterloo, Ontario Canada N2V 2C4 Tel: +1 (519) 747-4682 Cell: +1 (519) 498-8082 -- Legacy User Group guidelines: =0Ahttp://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp 3Dhttp://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp; =0A Archived messages: =0Ahttp://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ 3Dhttp://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/; =0A Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp 3Dhttp://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp; =0A To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp 3Dhttp://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp; Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] DropBox, after using for a few days
Kathy, and others who were involved in the DropBox discussion, as it pertains to the Legacy data file. Brilliant! I love knowing that each time I close my Legacy file on my laptop, it updates my file on my desktop and the reverse. No copying to a thumb drive. No backing up (no pesky error 91). Not even the trouble of moving a file, via the home network, from one machine to the other. Just seamless, effortless synchronization. Ditto for media files. Janis Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] DropBox, after using for a few days
Which makes me think of another point. If you share a DropBox with someone else off-premises (I¹m thinking of my daughter) - she would continually have a fresh backup for me. She is not into genealogy, so no danger of her opening the file while I am entering data, and closing it after I enter data (which would erase the work that I had done). Or, I suppose one could frequently simply export the file to the shared dropbox as a manner of storing the file in a safe place. It is accessible online from any computer. Janis On 2/12/09 8:59 AM, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote: Kathy, and others who were involved in the DropBox discussion, as it pertains to the Legacy data file. Brilliant! I love knowing that each time I close my Legacy file on my laptop, it updates my file on my desktop and the reverse. No copying to a thumb drive. No backing up (no pesky error 91). Not even the trouble of moving a file, via the home network, from one machine to the other. Just seamless, effortless synchronization. Ditto for media files. Janis Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Sourcing information from individuals
The best thing, of course, is to find other documentation of the same items, so that you don't have to maintain such bits and pieces as real sources. For instance, if someone sent you a birthdate and place for someone - go get the certificate of birth or death to support her statement. Sometimes, of course, that is not possible. I often source that sort of thing as email or letter and transcribe the full text into the source notes. Then I tick the little box which prevents it from printing as a source. Janis On 2/12/09 2:32 PM, Arnold Sprague aspra...@chicagobooth.edu wrote: In the early years of my gathering genealogical information, it would come by mail with hand written notes, FGSs, census information, and on. Today, the same type info comes in, but mostly by e-mail. Either way, I have no real idea as to the validity of the information; all I have is the person's name, address, phone number, and, today, an e-mail address. I have not been able to find something in SourceWriter to cover unsourced information provided by a stranger. Nor in Mills' EE. The closest I can come up with is Personal Knowledge in SourceWriter and the same on pages 49, 155 in Mills' EE. Mills, however, requires that Personal Knowledge be first-hand knowledge. SourceWriter has its own caveat by stating that this person is a Researcher. The instances I am referring to are certainly *not* first-hand knowledge and the person providing the information is generally *not* a Researcher by any stretch. The word Gatherer is a far better descriptor. Is there something in Legacy's SourceWriter I am missing that is appropriate? If not, are there others on LUG who would like to see a source added for people who send us information? Thanks, Arnold P.S. Please do not flame me yet again for *wanting to use* and for *being dependent* on Legacy's SourceWriter. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Deeds in Source Writer
It's under Land and Property Records rather than deed, Michele. Janis Walker Gilmore On 2/11/09 8:19 AM, Michele Lewis cranberryf...@charter.net wrote: I haven't yet entered a deed using the sourcewriter. I went to add one this morning and I see that there is no option for a deed. Am I missing it somewhere? How are you supposed to add a deed? (This is a deed in one party is deeded a slave over to another party) michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] DropBox for Legacy data
Kathy, You can have the same family file open on two different computers (laptop and desktop). If using the data file from DropBox, you would want to avoid, of course, entering data into both files while they are open whichever one is closed first will lose its new data when the second computer closes the file, right? Even if you don¹t enter data in one of them if you inadvertently have the file open, and close it after closing the working file, wouldn¹t that wipe out the work that you just did? Honestly, I¹m not finding it working that well. While ago, I closed a file on the desktop, waiting for it to update in the laptop, opened the laptop and found the new material not in it. I looked in DropBox and found a file by the same name, but in parenthesis it said ³(conflicted copy).² What am I not understanding here? Janis Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] DropBox for Legacy data
Kathy, Thanks. That clarifies all perfectly. If only I can train my haphazard self to close the laptop file before opening the desktop file. Now I guess I¹ll have to figure out the most up to date (no tragedy, just a couple of land transactions entered), and toss out the others to start clean. And keeping the media file in DropBox is icing on the wonderful cake. Thanks. (Gee I¹m glad you joined this list). Janis On 2/8/09 12:02 PM, Kathy Cardoza kmacard...@mac.com wrote: Hi Janis I'm sorry you are having trouble with this, but I see right away what the problem is .You cannot have the same file open on both computers at the same time. That is why you are getting that (conflicted copy) bit. I tried that at first, too, as an experiment to see what would happen...and that's what happened. Legacy saves the file when you close it. So, if you think about it, you can see why you get that message and why it saves the file with a different name as conflicted because you already have the same file open on your other computer. Really, it does work EXTREMELY well. You simply have to close one file before you open the other one. Open and work in computer #1. When you are finished with it, close the file. It's not necessary to quit the program, just close that file. In literally, a couple of seconds (in my case, at least) the file is saved to DropBox and gets synced to the Dropbox on the other computer where I can open it up on computer #2. The key to all this, Janis, and I specified it in my first posting about Dropbox, is to CLOSE THE FILE when you are finished with it so that it can sync properly. If you try it again keeping that in mind, I'm sure you'll have more luck with it and be better pleased. Let me know if I can help or answer any more questions. You were so kind to help me when I first started with Legacy. :) Kathy On Feb 8, 2009, at 7:42 AM, Janis L Gilmore wrote: Kathy, You can have the same family file open on two different computers (laptop and desktop). If using the data file from DropBox, you would want to avoid, of course, entering data into both files while they are open whichever one is closed first will lose its new data when the second computer closes the file, right? Even if you don¹t enter data in one of them if you inadvertently have the file open, and close it after closing the working file, wouldn¹t that wipe out the work that you just did? Honestly, I¹m not finding it working that well. While ago, I closed a file on the desktop, waiting for it to update in the laptop, opened the laptop and found the new material not in it. I looked in DropBox and found a file by the same name, but in parenthesis it said ³(conflicted copy).² What am I not understanding here? Janis Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Using Dropbox to sync Legacy
I hadn't thought about putting my media into DropBox, as well. Awesome idea, Jim. Janis On 2/7/09 8:37 AM, Jim Winfrey jimwinf...@gmail.com wrote: Kathy, Drop Box comes with Mac OSx for Intel. All I had to do was to share Drop Box and I have access to it from all my computers. I don't sync anything. I have just one database and it is stored in the Drop Box as are my media files. Mac automatically backs up the Drop Box changes hourly and I have a daily backup to the ether via Mozy. Works very well. Can you imagine the response if we had had this conversation 10 years ago? Jim On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Kathy Cardoza kmacard...@mac.com wrote: Hi Everyone I apologize in advance for the length of this post but I wanted to share with everyone how I am keeping my Legacy files synced and current between my two computers as I think this is a concern to many of us that use more than one computer. I routinely work on both my computers in Legacy, adding and changing the data. I try to keep it all sorted in my little brain as to which one was the most up-to-date copy, but it isn't always easy to do that and sometimes I'm just not 100% sure which one I used last. I fear I was overwriting newly created data on occasion. Enter Dropbox. I have been using this for a while now to keep various files in sync between my two computers and it works beautifully. I had even been backing up my Legacy files to Dropbox so that each computer had access to backups in the same (synced) location, but now I'm actually storing my Legacy Data files in Dropbox and it works great! To explain . First, to learn more about Dropbox, go to http://www.getdropbox.com/. Basically, it is a FREE little program that you download and install on each of your computers that you'd like to keep in sync. On each computer, it creates a Dropbox folder. Whatever you put into that folder, gets synced to your Dropbox account on the Internet and then to your other computer(s) with the same setup. It happens very quickly, usually within seconds, depending on the size of the file. The beauty of this, is that it only depends on the Internet to do the syncing, so your data sits in the Dropbox folder on your computer, always available to you. You don't have to access it on the Internet. AND, that same data now sits on the Dropbox server as an off-site backup to you AND available to you from any computer, anywhere through the web interface! It can't get any better than this! This was recently written about by Dick Eastman in a recent Plus version of his newsletter and he sings its praises highly. I had used it before but his newsletter gave me the idea to use it to store and sync my Legacy data files. I'm so glad I did. Dropbox only syncs changes when you close a file. So, in Legacy, when I am through working in my file, I close it (you don't have to quit the program) and it immediately syncs to my Dropbox folder, then to the Internet, then to the Dropbox folder on my other computer. No more wondering if I am using the most current version of my data! This is free and works on both Macs and Windows. You are allowed 2GB of storage space and you can pay for more if you need it. Oh, and by the way, it works beautifully if you are a Mac user like I am, using Legacy from within Parallels or one of the other virtualization programs. Legacy knows to look for my data in the Dropbox folder and all my images and documents I link to from my Mac folders. I hope this may provide a solution to some of you. If you've been thinking or wondering about Dropbox, give it a try. You won't be sorry! Kathy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] How to identify the commonly used first name?
Cathy, Although it may feel awkward, I think the better way is to write it as: Robert Blair Blair Surname I you enclose the first instance of Blair in quotes, it implies that Blair is truly a nickname, rather than a legitimate name. Doing it this way allows you to show that his full name was Robert Blair Surname, but that he went by his middle name. Janis Walker Gilmore On 2/7/09 4:39 PM, Cathy Vallevieni cathyv...@cox.net wrote: When a person's middle name is the name they used and were known by, do you put quotes around that middle name to make it clear that was the name used? I know if someone had a name Elizabeth and went by Betty that you would enter Elizabeth Betty in the first name field. Not sure that someone named Robert Blair who went by Blair should be entered at Robert Blair but how else to show this is the name he used? Thanks for any ideas. Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Using Dropbox to sync Legacy
Kathy, Well, unless there is some problem down the road, this is brilliant. I am always afraid I'll forget which is the most recent - my laptop or desktop. Have you run into any problems at all? Janis On 2/4/09 11:29 PM, Kathy Cardoza kmacard...@mac.com wrote: Janis To answer your questions below: On Feb 4, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Janis L Gilmore wrote: So you have NO data file left in your Legacy file. It is only in your DropBox file? Yes, that's right. Actually, my laptop is my primary workplace (lots of travel) and my desktop is the one that I have to keep up to date. Plus I am on Macs, working through Fusion - so I have DropBox installed on the Mac side and the PC side of the laptop, and on the Mac side and PC side of the desktop. I believe you are on a Mac as well. Is that what you are doing? Yes, I am on a Mac but I use Parallels. I don't know how Fusion works, but Parallels allows you to share your folders whether on your Mac or Windows side. That's how I use my Mac-saved documents and photos in Legacy. Legacy just links to them. So, I only installed Dropbox on my Mac side. The Dropbox folder syncs my Legacy files (Windows) and several things from my Mac side. They all co-exist quite happily in that Dropbox folder. :) Kathy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Error 91 revisited
Thank you, Gary. My exported file is now backing up just fine, so crisis averted (I may have panicked a bit, there). When you File_Save As, how does that work when you want to move it to another computer? Moving the backup and using the restore function is so easy. (Just in case my Error 91 returns.) Janis On 2/4/09 10:25 AM, Gary Templeman gtemplem...@comcast.net wrote: There is absolutely no reason why you need to be concerned about losing data, as there is no reason you *must* use the backup function to make a copy of your data. If error 91 is a major issue on your particular computer, use the File_Save As option instead, give the file a different name that identifies it as a copy and save it to whatever location you normally put the backup files. The backup function has a few advantages over other ways of making a copy, it compresses the data, it is more user friendly, and it can include the multimedia files. But *everything* you need to save can be done manually with just a few extra clicks. Gary Templeman - Original Message - From: Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Error 91 revisited It¹s not a Dell issue with me, since I am running Windows on a Mac. In the past, I have always been able to finally get a backup by running Check/Repair a couple of times, and randomly ticking and unticking the Multimedia box. Today, however, I have been unable to back up my database in spite of numerous, numerous attempts. Nor have any sort of updates, etc. done the trick. I am a staunch advodate of Legacy, but this is a serious problem for me. I used TMG for years, and this could send me running back. There is nothing as basic as security about the integrity of a backup. Janis Walker Gilmore Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Using Dropbox to sync Legacy
Kathy, exactly how did you do it? I am using DropBox. Do you back up to it, always using the same file name? Janis On 2/4/09 4:02 PM, Kathy Cardoza kmacard...@mac.com wrote: JL You say you uploaded? Did you just copy the file you wanted to sync to your computers Dropbox folder? Because that is all you have to do. Sorry you have had troubles but it has worked flawlessly for me . Both with Legacy and other files. Kathy * Sent to you from my iPhone * On Feb 4, 2009, at 12:12 PM, JLB j...@telus.net wrote: Of course, I and hundreds of others, immediately went over to check it out. I signed up, downloaded, installed and all that. For my first experiment I uploaded a 662 file/33 folder family wiki. Dropbox only found about 500 of the files. I am now going through 33 folders uploading the ones they missed. Is it worth it? Maybe this once. - JL JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog Kathy Cardoza wrote: Hi Everyone I apologize in advance for the length of this post but I wanted to share with everyone how I am keeping my Legacy files synced and current between my two computers as I think this is a concern to many of us that use more than one computer. I routinely work on both my computers in Legacy, adding and changing the data. I try to keep it all sorted in my little brain as to which one was the most up-to-date copy, but it isn't always easy to do that and sometimes I'm just not 100% sure which one I used last. I fear I was overwriting newly created data on occasion. Enter Dropbox. I have been using this for a while now to keep various files in sync between my two computers and it works beautifully. I had even been backing up my Legacy files to Dropbox so that each computer had access to backups in the same (synced) location, but now I'm actually storing my Legacy Data files in Dropbox and it works great! To explain . First, to learn more about Dropbox, go to http:// www.getdropbox.com/. Basically, it is a FREE little program that you download and install on each of your computers that you'd like to keep in sync. On each computer, it creates a Dropbox folder. Whatever you put into that folder, gets synced to your Dropbox account on the Internet and then to your other computer(s) with the same setup. It happens very quickly, usually within seconds, depending on the size of the file. The beauty of this, is that it only depends on the Internet to do the syncing, so your data sits in the Dropbox folder on your computer, always available to you. You don't have to access it on the Internet. AND, that same data now sits on the Dropbox server as an off-site backup to you AND available to you from any computer, anywhere through the web interface! It can't get any better than this! This was recently written about by Dick Eastman in a recent Plus version of his newsletter and he sings its praises highly. I had used it before but his newsletter gave me the idea to use it to store and sync my Legacy data files. I'm so glad I did. Dropbox only syncs changes when you close a file. So, in Legacy, when I am through working in my file, I close it (you don't have to quit the program) and it immediately syncs to my Dropbox folder, then to the Internet, then to the Dropbox folder on my other computer. No more wondering if I am using the most current version of my data! This is free and works on both Macs and Windows. You are allowed 2GB of storage space and you can pay for more if you need it. Oh, and by the way, it works beautifully if you are a Mac user like I am, using Legacy from within Parallels or one of the other virtualization programs. Legacy knows to look for my data in the Dropbox folder and all my images and documents I link to from my Mac folders. I hope this may provide a solution to some of you. If you've been thinking or wondering about Dropbox, give it a try. You won't be sorry! Kathy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe:
Re: [LegacyUG] Using Dropbox to sync Legacy
Lovely, Kathy. So you have NO data file left in your Legacy file. It is only in your DropBox file? Actually, my laptop is my primary workplace (lots of travel) and my desktop is the one that I have to keep up to date. Plus I am on Macs, working through Fusion - so I have DropBox installed on the Mac side and the PC side of the laptop, and on the Mac side and PC side of the desktop. I believe you are on a Mac as well. Is that what you are doing? Janis On 2/4/09 8:44 PM, Kathy Cardoza kmacard...@mac.com wrote: Hi Janis I do backup to Dropbox, as well. I don't need to do that, but that way, everything on my computer including Dropbox and its files, gets backed up to my Time Capsule. So you can store your backups there. I delete the older ones as I go along. But, the real beauty of Dropbox, in my opinion, is in keeping your data files from Legacy synced with all your computers so they are all current and working off the same file. You can even access the file from a computer at work, providing, of course, you have Legacy on it, too. By data file, I mean your working family file. Anyway, this is how I did it: If the Desktop computer is the up-to-date one, I would put the Legacy Data folder (you can call it anything you wish) into your Dropbox folder on that computer. Be sure to change your default location in Legacy to reflect that. You do that by going to the Options menu in Legacy, Customize, Locations tab. Then, choose the folder you are using that is in the Dropbox folder. From then on, Legacy will use that location to save your data to. That folder will sync to the Dropbox folder on your laptop. So, on the laptop, I would wait until you see your data appear in the Dropbox folder there. Launch Legacy but do NOT have a file open. Close it if you do. When your file is safely in the Dropbox folder on your laptop, simply open that file by going to File/Open Family File. Do NOT choose the file listed there. It will be the old, out of date one. Instead, browse to your Dropbox folder and find the file there that just got synced from your desktop computer. Now, you are set! Synced and up to date on both computers! Check on Legacy on your laptop and change the default location as above, if you need to. Mine automatically changed it when I made that new selection from Dropbox. It works beautifully! As long as you close the file you are working in when done, then Dropbox will sync it automatically and the other computer gets synced as well. Then, you are always up to date. :) It is not necessary to quit Legacy. Just close the file and it will sync. You do not have to tell Dropbox anything. The nature of the Dropbox folder/program is such that anything that you put into it, gets automatically synced. You don't have to do anything but the initial set up. Hope this helps! Kathy On Feb 4, 2009, at 5:30 PM, Janis L Gilmore wrote: Kathy, exactly how did you do it? I am using DropBox. Do you back up to it, always using the same file name? Janis Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Error 91 revisited
I didn¹t follow all of the error 91 postings, but in looking at the archives just now, it appears to me that the discussion was dropped, although no resolution was achieved. Is that correct, or did I miss something? Error 91 is driving me mad. I can¹t even see that Legacy has assured us that the data in the backups created under error 91 are good (although they appear to be okay). I installed SP3. Have not reinstalled Legacy, because from what I can tell, that has not solved anyone¹s problem. Any updates on this annoying little feature? Janis Walker Gilmore Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Error 91 revisited
Thanks, Ron. I am running Windows XP on a Mac (OS 10.5.5), via Fusion. Legacy is running beautifully - except for this back up problem. Legacy, do you have something in the works for this? Thanks, Janis On 2/3/09 11:08 AM, ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com wrote: Janis, Nothing was clearly resolved but it did seem to be more common with Dell PCs, but that could just be because there are more of them around. Similarly those using vista seemed to have more difficulty in getting rid of the problem than those using XP. As you mention SP3, I take it that you are using XP. I have not installed SP3 and won't - indeed I used the request form not to install it for 12 months - as it was too buggy when released. whether it would cause an Error 91 I don't know. I believe that removing SP3 and sorting one's files out afterwards is something of a pain, perhaps someone who has done it can advise. Sorry, but this ball is definitely in Legacy's court! Ron Ferguson _ *New* Improved Interface for OpenOffice.org Contacts Database http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:44:48 -0500 Subject: [LegacyUG] Error 91 revisited From: rajan...@earthlink.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com I didn¹t follow all of the error 91 postings, but in looking at the archives just now, it appears to me that the discussion was dropped, although no resolution was achieved. Is that correct, or did I miss something? Error 91 is driving me mad. I can¹t even see that Legacy has assured us that the data in the backups created under error 91 are good (although they appear to be okay). I installed SP3. Have not reinstalled Legacy, because from what I can tell, that has not solved anyone¹s problem. Any updates on this annoying little feature? Janis Walker Gilmore _ Windows Live Messenger just got better .Video display pics, contact updates more. http://www.download.live.com/messenger Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Error 91 revisited
I had already done most of these suggested steps. I did not download the MDAC (step 7) because the link went to a page unknown but did offer a download from something called the India Community Initiative, which seemed a bit bizarre. And I have not deleted the .usr and .dbm files, and reinstalled Legacy I have, of course, 1) run Check/Repair repeatedly (which I do regularly anyway), and 2) I did try exporting my database to a new file. 3) I updated to the latest Legacy build (I was only one behind), and 4) I updated Windows XP to the latest service pack. None of these has demonstrated the slightest effect. Janis On 2/3/09 10:32 AM, Evert van Dijken evandij...@gmail.com wrote: Try the steps on this page (and of course skip the steps you don't need): http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/help12Steps.asp If this doesn't fix your problem contact support: supp...@legacyfamilytree.com Evert 2009/2/3 Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net: I didn't follow all of the error 91 postings, but in looking at the archives just now, it appears to me that the discussion was dropped, although no resolution was achieved. Is that correct, or did I miss something? Error 91 is driving me mad. I can't even see that Legacy has assured us that the data in the backups created under error 91 are good (although they appear to be okay). I installed SP3. Have not reinstalled Legacy, because from what I can tell, that has not solved anyone's problem. Any updates on this annoying little feature? Janis Walker Gilmore Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Error 91 revisited
It¹s not a Dell issue with me, since I am running Windows on a Mac. In the past, I have always been able to finally get a backup by running Check/Repair a couple of times, and randomly ticking and unticking the Multimedia box. Today, however, I have been unable to back up my database in spite of numerous, numerous attempts. Nor have any sort of updates, etc. done the trick. I am a staunch advodate of Legacy, but this is a serious problem for me. I used TMG for years, and this could send me running back. There is nothing as basic as security about the integrity of a backup. Janis Walker Gilmore On 2/3/09 1:29 PM, Jack Earnshaw j...@jearnshaw.me.uk wrote: Janis As you¹ve heard already, there isn¹t a cure or even a reason why it happens. Although a number of those with problems had a Dell m/c, others didn¹t. Also people with other machines have had the problem. It isn¹t limited to Vista either I started to get it with an ³Advent² machine running XP and now have it with a Dell on Vista. I find it sporadic. Usually if I try a backup after doing some changes in Legacy. But yesterday I was using it for several hours and the backup was fine. Other times, but rarely, it has broken if I try the backup immediately on starting Legacy. I¹ve never tried to ³trust² the failed backup. I will always go back into Legacy and do it again, so no idea if the backup when you get error 91 is OK. I presume there is an incompatibility somewhere with another package, with a Windows setting, memory leakage etc. But nobody at Legacy has managed to recreate it so far. So the thread just petered out in the end as there was little we could do to find a common cause. Jack From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Janis L Gilmore Sent: 03 February 2009 14:45 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Error 91 revisited I didn¹t follow all of the error 91 postings, but in looking at the archives just now, it appears to me that the discussion was dropped, although no resolution was achieved. Is that correct, or did I miss something? Error 91 is driving me mad. I can¹t even see that Legacy has assured us that the data in the backups created under error 91 are good (although they appear to be okay). I installed SP3. Have not reinstalled Legacy, because from what I can tell, that has not solved anyone¹s problem. Any updates on this annoying little feature? Janis Walker Gilmore Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.17/1932 - Release Date: 02/03/09 07:57:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Error 91 revisited
Thanks, Sherry for your reply. I do not get error 91 when backing up the Sample file. I understand that if you can't replicate the error, you can't fix it. But if I can't fix it, I have to find an alternative. I have done everything except reinstall. I have queried (hoping Ron replies) for tips in that process, and will try it. If it doesn't work, then my alternatives are fairly limited. Again, thanks for the prompt reply. No less than I have learned to expect from Legacy. Janis On 2/3/09 4:23 PM, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: Janis, Note my previous response to this problem. It's not something that we can duplicate on any of our computers and we have no idea what's causing the problem. It seems to be for a select few and quite variable as to what type of computer and version of Windows that's being used. It's really hard to try to troubleshoot and fix an error that we can't duplicate. Do you get the error when you try to backup the Sample file? Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Janis L Gilmore Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 12:09 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Error 91 revisited Thanks, Ron. I am running Windows XP on a Mac (OS 10.5.5), via Fusion. Legacy is running beautifully - except for this back up problem. Legacy, do you have something in the works for this? Thanks, Janis Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Error 91 revisited
Ron! Yay! My exported file just backed up. It should be good, exported directly from my old one, right? Janis On 2/3/09 9:08 PM, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote: Thanks, Sherry for your reply. I do not get error 91 when backing up the Sample file. I understand that if you can't replicate the error, you can't fix it. But if I can't fix it, I have to find an alternative. I have done everything except reinstall. I have queried (hoping Ron replies) for tips in that process, and will try it. If it doesn't work, then my alternatives are fairly limited. Again, thanks for the prompt reply. No less than I have learned to expect from Legacy. Janis On 2/3/09 4:23 PM, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: Janis, Note my previous response to this problem. It's not something that we can duplicate on any of our computers and we have no idea what's causing the problem. It seems to be for a select few and quite variable as to what type of computer and version of Windows that's being used. It's really hard to try to troubleshoot and fix an error that we can't duplicate. Do you get the error when you try to backup the Sample file? Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Janis L Gilmore Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 12:09 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Error 91 revisited Thanks, Ron. I am running Windows XP on a Mac (OS 10.5.5), via Fusion. Legacy is running beautifully - except for this back up problem. Legacy, do you have something in the works for this? Thanks, Janis Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Re: Access dates
Elizabeth, I support you completely in writing sources however you like. You are clearly an articulate person, and I'm sure your study of the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson is in excellent order. I would never presume to change what you are doing. I only reply on this topic when I feel someone new to the list or new to genealogy is getting the wrong impression of the list. We are open to discussion of methods of entry here, and we don't all believe that sourcing to the standard of _Evidence Explained_ is a wildly profligate waste of time. g Janis On 1/30/09 2:47 PM, Connie Sheets clshee...@yahoo.com wrote: Elizabeth Richardson wrote: Janis, let me be clear that I do not at all denigrate those of you who choose to use the Mills style of sourcing. How you choose to construct your sources is up to you. But, please, don't impose it on me. My objection has always been thatW the attitude of many who do subscribe to that method is somehow those who do not are not real genealogists, or that their work is somehow of lesser quality. It is my contention, and will remain so, that to go to the lengths of EE is only even desirable should you wish to publish with an organization who (I think) has an overblown impression of their own importance. Sources should be clear and readable and consistent - that should be sufficient. And, source citations should be detailed enough for YOU (not just me) to evaluate the quality/accuracy of your conclusions, and help ME (should I ever need to review your conclusions) find the exact same source that you used. If your citations meet those tests, then I doubt anyone is going to think your work is somehow of lesser quality. But if your citations do not give sufficient detail for you (or someone else) to find the same source again... I doubt I will succeed in convincing you, since you have made it clear you have no intention of changing your mind, but if you read at least the explanatory pages of the Evidence books, and learn the key components that the author recommends, I don't think you will find yourself thinking that EE recommends we add useless or unnecessarily lengthy information in our citations. (You may find the discussion on punctuation more than you can handle; when my eyes glaze over about such things, I remind myself EE is intended to be a style guide. The grammar and punctuation police aren't likely to fine me too heavily if I don't dot every I and cross every T exactly the same way ESM would). I, for one, am grateful to Legacy for attempting to incorporate the EE formats so that I have less work to do to ensure my citations are clear and readable and consistent. Connie Sheets Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Reason to Print An Individual Report
I don't put any events in the marriage - just marriage, divorce. My reason has nothing to do with reports, though - I just like to see everything when I am looking at the individual screen, rather than having bits of info scattered about. I would actually prefer to have the marriage itself more incorporated into the individual screen. The individual screen of TMG is the only thing I still miss a bit, although I much prefer Legacy. The TMG individual screen is a little like our chronology page, except that it is directly editable (not just editable through the pop-up of the individual screen). Janis Walker Gilmore On 1/31/09 2:05 AM, Kris gen.mailing.li...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Cathy -- So far, the only time I've printed an Individual Report is for someone who never got married or had children. I have always entered common events for both the husband and wife (not as marriage events) and never gave it a second thought until some of the discussions came up here. I guess it might be redundant, but I've already had several instances where they were living separately. And sometimes I don't know if both people are living together -- or if the spouse is even still alive -- when I'm working on it. I can see how it would be more efficient to enter the common events under the marriage, but for me it would be just one more thing to check, or change, and I'm already programmed to look for that kind of thing for each person. I'm looking forward to seeing how others make use of the Individual Report. Kris Cathy Vallevieni wrote: I am struggling (as many others have) with putting residences and other common events in both the husband and wife's Events rather than one time in the Marriage Events. I know the commonly cited reason is Marriage Events don't print on Individual Reports. In thinking about this, I can't think of a time I would print an Individual Report. I believe I would always print a Family Group Report or Descendant Report if a person had been married. Can anyone that has printed an Individual Report tell me what the purpose was for printing that report vs. one of the other reports? Thank you. Cathy Vallevieni Orange County, CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Dictionaries
Mike, you have such a nice way of putting things. g Janis Walker Gilmore On 1/31/09 10:54 AM, Mike Fry mike...@iafrica.com wrote: Judy wrote: Is there anyone else having trouble with the dictionaries? I wanted to edit some of the spellings and went to C: Legacy Dictionaries. All of the links to open the files lead to an American Greeting Card site. I deleted all of the files and downloaded the dictionaries from the Legacy website. Same thing - all link to American Greetings. Suggestions? Why on earth would you want to do that? There are no editable files in there! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Re: Access dates
Debra, I appreciated your succinct run-down of the very good reasons that we use an accessed date. Thanks for posting it for others to think about, as well. Discussion of this nature, in the context of the usage of Legacy software, is welcome at any time on this forum. There is only one person on the list (of whom I am aware) who takes a denigrating tone toward the Mills-style sourcing, and toward those who embrace it, or who post to the list about trying to implement it through the usage of the SourceWriter. (There are a couple of others who disagree with it, but are quite happy to live and let live.) Welcome to the list. Janis Walker Gilmore Pawleys Island, SC, Seattle, WA On 1/29/09 7:49 PM, Debra Andrew dandr...@comcast.net wrote: Dear List: I'm sorry if anyone has taken offense at my reply as it was not directed to anyone personally. The question was raised as to why would someone include access dates and the reasoning behind it. If you look at my message carefully, you will see it is written in the third person and is very general, nor does it direct any accusations toward anyone about their level and ability in researching, whom they were researching, how many records they own personally or how many times they have looked at those particular records. The message was in response to why would someone would want to record these dates. When someone looks to see when a record has been accessed, it is not to enhance or deflate their ego, but is just another research tool to be looked at objectively in furthering research in any given area. If someone never puts their info on line, publishes it or shares it with anyone, they have no need to document their research. As I have read on the National Genealogy site, a genealogy without doucmentation is a fairy tale, not a genealogy. Everyone is at different levels and interest in their genealogy research. It is just as easy to record the date as not to add it. If someone wants a reference source for citing evidence, both Legacy and Ancestry recommends Evidence Explained Citing History Sources from Artifacts to Cyberspace by Elizabeth Shown Mills. Referencing an access date does not mean everytime somone looks at it in their personal files it needs to be annotated, but when it is referred to in public file that is obtained in another place, like a library, a website, or a government office. The response I received is just below a level of a flame. I'm removing myself from this list as not to give offense to anyone else and cause them undue pain in their emotions. D. Andrew - Original Message - From: Elizabeth Richardson erich...@worldnet.att.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Re: Access dates Reply changed to plain text as the list rules requires it. Of course, if it's important to you to have the date, then record it. Does EE require it? (Not that I'd probably care if it does, but the standard sourcing I've seen in other scholarly journals does not include this information.) I'm not out to prove that I'm a better researcher than the next guy, so I'm not comparing my work to anyone. My work is as good as I can make it. If someone wants to compare their work to mine, his ego will either be enhanced or not and I have no control over that. I have no desire to go over old work to see if a document has been rescanned, OCR'd, etc. I have many hundreds of census records downloaded to my computer and yes, I have looked at them again, primarily because my sources from early work isn't in the format I now prefer. My work is not being done for any legal representation of my ancestors, and if you'll look at my tagline, I'm not even researching my ancestors. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] new people
You could use the hyphenation method that some of us use for cemetery names, so that they will show on the main page, instead of behind the add-on button. For example: Mountain View-First Baptist, Howell County, Missouri, USA² This allows your churches to sort geographically into the right group. The hyphen keeps the mapping on track. Janis Walker Gilmore On 1/25/09 11:04 AM, ke...@aol.com ke...@aol.com wrote: Why doesn't legacy have a place where we can show where the people were married - other then the city and state - I would like to enter the church name - other then in the note field In a message dated 1/25/2009 10:39:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ronfe...@msn.com writes: Thank you. Run FileFile MaintenanceCheck/Repair twice and see if that resolves the problem. If you have the Delux Version then under the Home Tab Click On-line troubleshooting help and then Soulution by Error Number. Otherwise: http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/helpJetServPk.asp Ron Ferguson _ Now completely revised http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: ke...@aol.com Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:26:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] new people To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com error - 3021 - when I go to the add icon - and click add wife, parent of child this happens - so I wind up quitting the program. In a message dated 1/24/2009 12:55:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sc...@relatively-speaking.org writes: Please tell us the error number, if any, and specifically what the message states. Tell us which version of Legacy you are using. Also describe how you are adding people (i.e.: adding an existing person as a parent, adding an unlinked individual, etc.). That will aid us in providing a more accurate response. Dawn ke...@aol.com wrote: I'm getting an error message when I try to add new people WHY? *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! _ Check out the new and improved services from Windows Live. Learn more! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/132630768/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http ://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=Decem ailfooterNO62 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] SourceWriter / Book COMPILED BY
I disagree with Elizabeth about the SourceWriter. I find it to be the speediest way to get a source that's up to my standards, particularly in the case of census and a couple of others that we all used frequently. I would encourage those of you who are new to Legacy (or new to genealogy) to use the SourceWriter, primarily because it will help you to form the excellent habit of keeping your sources consistent. Even if the usage of SourceWriter were as tedious as Elizabeth believes, it couldn't slow anyone down - since its usage is entirely optional. Elizabeth, if I'm not mistaken, we have had to agree to disagree before! g (And her suggestion for getting compiled into your source is an excellent one.) Janis Walker Gilmore On 1/25/09 6:21 PM, Elizabeth Richardson erich...@worldnet.att.net wrote: Sorry, I don't use the Source Writer - it seems a lot of waste of time. (Have you noticed the preponderance of questions about it now that it has shown up? We were able to far better write our sources before then and in a lot less time.) Anyway, what does it say if you choose author instead of editor? Sources don't say author, so just use that field. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Web site creation?
Dermot, I had totally overlooked that. Thanks for pointing it out to Kathy (and me)! Handy little thing, that. Janis Walker Gilmore On 1/23/09 9:27 AM, Dermot McGlone dmg.familyt...@gmail.com wrote: Kathy, I believe (not having my copy of Legacy to hand at present) that any Event can be marked as private with a little check box in the bottom right corner. Then, on the What tab of web page creation, make sure the box labelled Include events marked Private in the bottom right is not ticked. Not having created web pages (yet), I can't guarantee this will do what you want, but it sounds like it should. Regards, Dermot. -- Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] familysearch
Yes, Tim. I just did. Janis On 1/17/09 9:06 AM, Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com wrote: Can anyone sign on to familysearch.org. Currently 9:05am Tim Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Survey: Error 91
Yvonne, I know Ron disagrees with this approach (and Ron knows more about the inner workings of Legacy than I ever will), but when I run into the backup error, I can always back up by running a check/repair a time or two, and agreeing to save multimedia to the same place. I don't have any multimedia in Legacy, so it makes no never-mind to me (as they say in the Ozarks). I don't know which of the above does the trick, but I have never been completely stymied about backing up. Janis On 1/15/09 7:22 AM, Yvonne Morehouse y.moreho...@worldnet.att.net wrote: I just downloaded CCleaner, ran it and then tried to make a Legacy file backup (twice). No luck. Yvonne Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Latest Legacy build?
I am still running .76 any reason to rush to .86? Is, for instance, the Ibid feature fixed? Thanks, Janis Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Latest Legacy build?
Thanks, Ron. I'll do it this evening. Janis (preparing to hear a lecture on Missing and Scarce Records) On 1/15/09 8:24 AM, ronald ferguson ronfe...@msn.com wrote: I still cannot get the ibid, but because of all the other improvements to reporting, in my opinion, it is well worth downloading. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Survey: Error 91
Interesting thought. I am running Legacy on Mac via Fusion and Windows XP. I checked, and the Windows-side firewall was on. I have turned it off. (Am in a genealogy class in SLC right now, but will report later as to whether I still have the backup error.) Janis On 1/15/09 8:27 AM, Gene Young n2...@cfl.rr.com wrote: Yvonne Morehouse wrote: I just downloaded CCleaner, ran it and then tried to make a Legacy file backup (twice). No luck. Yvonne Just out of curiosity, how many people having the Error 91 problem are running the built in windows firewall? I have also seen reference to Windows Defender causing these errors. Food for thought, Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] missing and scarse records
There is a copyrighted syllabus, which (I believe) is not to be shared. The key things, however, are utilizing those records which were likely to have been sent from the county to the state such as voter records, tax records (both usually found at State Archives these days). And not to overlook the local museums and historical societies, which can often be repositories for such odds and ends as storekeepers records, diaries, etc. Then meticulously record them in your Legacy software, sourcing them with the SourceWriter! (Lest this be seen as off-topic) Janis Walker Gilmore On 1/15/09 2:20 AM, Phil Husband phusba...@verizon.net wrote: Janice, that sounds like an intersting subject. Did they/he/she have a sylabus that could be shared? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] missing and scarce records
And allow me to correct the subject line, which was not mine originally g Janis On 1/15/09 1:06 PM, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote: There is a copyrighted syllabus, which (I believe) is not to be shared. The key things, however, are utilizing those records which were likely to have been sent from the county to the state such as voter records, tax records (both usually found at State Archives these days). And not to overlook the local museums and historical societies, which can often be repositories for such odds and ends as storekeepers records, diaries, etc. Then meticulously record them in your Legacy software, sourcing them with the SourceWriter! (Lest this be seen as off-topic) Janis Walker Gilmore On 1/15/09 2:20 AM, Phil Husband phusba...@verizon.net wrote: Janice, that sounds like an intersting subject. Did they/he/she have a sylabus that could be shared? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] missing and scarse records
Sherry, Thanks for the reminder - but I wouldn't have thought of it! Janis On 1/15/09 1:13 PM, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: Janice, I'm not sure what Phil is referring to but please do *NOT* send it to the list! Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Phil Husband Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:21 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] missing and scarse records Janice, that sounds like an intersting subject. Did they/he/she have a sylabus that could be shared? Phil Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] missing and scarse records
Might I once more reiterate that I did not create that subject line? (Not that I have never been guilty of a type) Janis Walker Gilmore On 1/15/09 1:40 PM, howlanddavi...@aol.com howlanddavi...@aol.com wrote: Sherry: In a message dated 1/15/2009 3:33:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, she...@legacyfamilytree.com writes: I'm not sure what Phil is referring to but please do *NOT* send it to the list! Boy, you saw that one coming and correctly headed it off. Howland Davis PS. I am behaving myself and not asking what scarse records are? A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http: //www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=Decemai lfooterNO62 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] missing and scarce records
In view of the fact that I seem to be incapable of sending an email that does not sport a typo, I surrender to the necessity to get some sleep. Janis On 1/15/09 10:25 PM, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote: Might I once more reiterate that I did not create that subject line? (Not that I have never been guilty of a type) Janis Walker Gilmore On 1/15/09 1:40 PM, howlanddavi...@aol.com howlanddavi...@aol.com wrote: Sherry: In a message dated 1/15/2009 3:33:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, she...@legacyfamilytree.com writes: I'm not sure what Phil is referring to but please do *NOT* send it to the list! Boy, you saw that one coming and correctly headed it off. Howland Davis PS. I am behaving myself and not asking what scarse records are? A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http : //www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=Decema i lfooterNO62 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Rudeness to the list
The recent reply to subject ³Apple,² by a member of this list surpassed common snippiness or rudeness, I think. I hope that the powers-that-be will address it in some manner. It is not conducive to an open discussion. I image there are lurkers that are afraid to post at all. Janis Walker Gilmore Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Rudeness to the list
In my opinion, a private email of that sort would have been even more intimidating, Wynther. I suggest that if you have a problem with a post or a poster, you email the list coordinator rather than the individual in question. I don't like to think that such intimidation could occur to list members, discouraging participation, without the knowledge of the list owner. Janis Walker Gilmore On 1/14/09 9:20 AM, Wynthner wynth...@yahoo.com wrote: My appologies to the list. I meant to send that private. btw- the appology is for sending it public- not for what was said. --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net Subject: [LegacyUG] Rudeness to the list To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:11 PM The recent reply to subject ³Apple,² by a member of this list surpassed common snippiness or rudeness, I think. I hope that the powers-that-be will address it in some manner. It is not conducive to an open discussion. I image there are lurkers that are afraid to post at all. Janis Walker Gilmore Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Error 91
I get the error fairly often. I am on a MacBook Air, running Fusion, with Windows XP. I do nothing on the PC side of my computer, except enter data in Legacy. Cookies, etc, are not a problem for the PC operating system I don¹t browse on it. I can always back up after a try or two I think it is expedited when I tell it to save the multimedia to the same place, although I have no multimedia in this computer. Janis Walker Gilmore Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Flash drive (humor)
Some repositories (the FHL, for instance) are equipped to allow saving directly to a flash drive, rather than copying a document. Having a scan directly from the image, rather than a scan from a copy of the image, can be most helpful when trying to interpret a spotty old deed! I found that the microfilm reader/scanner at the FHL did not recognize the small external hard drive with which I travel. Fortunately, the FHL sells 1 GB flash drives, 1 for $9 or 2 for $14. (Elizabeth, I'm not trying to talk you into one - you strike me as someone who knows what she wants, or doesn't want! Just FYI to others) Janis Walker Gilmore Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Without a doubt
Funny. I¹ve worked with most of the gen softwares Legacy and TMG are my favorites, with Legacy edging TMG out somewhat, due to superior graphics. Janis Walker Gilmore On 1/7/09 11:05 AM, jaemtp jae...@verizon.net wrote: This is the worst software that I have ever worked with in 15 years. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Newbie questions
Chap, I replied to Kathy offlist, in much the vein that you did! However, as a current user of Legacy on a Mac, through Fusion and Windows XP, I have not had any platform problems. I only use Legacy and Quicken on the windows side, but they run like a charm, and it is easy to flip back and forth. I do data entry in Legacy on the XP side, and command-tab to the Mac side for all internet research. I will say, however, that I first tried the Legacy-on-a-Mac scenario, and was most unhappy with it had lots of problems. The new Macs are handling it beautifully. Full speed, etc. Janis Walker Gilmore On 1/4/09 1:31 PM, Leon Chapman chap...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kathy! You have a lot of good questions. I'll try to answer some of them. 1. Witnesses -- Legacy does not support, so you will need to do something else. Census. I place Census as events for each person on the Census record, so I would not place this in the marriage event area. Normally the Census will contain a whole family (father, mother children), so you really need to have a Census event for each person in my opinion. 2. Place names - I think you will want to keep the 4 fields for locations, assuming you are working mostly in the USA. The way I handle the Cemetery and other is as follows: Mansfield - Midtown Cemetery, Richland County, Ohio, USA This assume that Midtown Cemetery is in Mansfield. This keeps the 4 fields for sorting and you have the correct sort for the city. I would suggest you always use the 4 field notation even if you have to use commas. If you only know the State, then you would use: , , , Ohio, USA If you know the county and state, then , Richland County, Ohio, USA This keeps the 4 fields in tack and you can have Legacy remove the extra commas when you print your reports - it is an option. 3. Windows 2000 -- there you have it - trying to use an 8 year old piece of software is a problem. I would suggest upgrading to at least Windows XP, Vista is better. Microsoft is about to stop shipping Windows XP. They stopped shipping Windows 2000 several years ago. is just too oold. Windows 2000 would be about like running you Mac using version 8 or 9 of Apples software - I doubt it would support very much of the latest software on the market - you certainly wouldn't be running Paralles. I find it interesting that a number of Mac users want to be able to perform such complex tasks of running multiple operating systems that requires one to purchase multiple copies of Operating System Software. This is almost always fraught with compatibility issues on both the software and hardware side. Good luck on your Mac. Chap On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Kathy Cardoza kmacard...@mac.com wrote: I am just getting started with Legacy, moving to it from my Mac where I was using TMG. I downloaded the standard version of Legacy 7, liked it very much, and purchased the deluxe version. I transferred my database via gedcom. Most of it arrived intact and in the proper places in Legacy, although I am going through it all and correcting things that I want to be displayed or organized differently. My questions so far are: 1) Witnesses moved from TMG don't display properly in L7. I knew this going in. Census entries for a married couple, for instance, show up in their marriage information window. Is it a good idea to keep census events there or move each entry to that person's individual information screen? Pros and cons of each? 2) Place names: Coming from TMG, I very often show a place with an additional DETAIL.such as: Midtown Cemetery, Mansfield, Richland County, Ohio. Will that mess up the location sorting because of the extra field? If so, how best to fix it? 3) I am using Win2000 Pro so cannot seem to get IE7 as required to use the Mapping Feature in L7 (something I REALLY wanted to be able to use.) Is there any workaround for this? Other than getting XP or Vista, of course, which is not an option for me. I am a Mac person, using L7 through Parallels so Windows is NOT my main operating system. Thank you for any help. I'm sure I will have other questions as I get deeper into Legacy, a very fine program. Happy to be here! :) Kathy * Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/azoresindex.html http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/azoresindex.html * Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages:
Re: [LegacyUG] Newbie questions
Okay leaving a few words out of this email rendered it meaningless. g Make that ³I first tried the Legacy-on-a-Mac scenario A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, and was most unhappy with it. The new Macs are handling it beautifully. Full speed, etc.² To that, I will add that if you are addicted to the Mac platform and addicted to genealogy, your choices of software are pretty limited. For those of us trying to perform serious research, installing Windows on the Mac via Fusion or Parallels is pretty much all we can do! Janis On 1/4/09 3:34 PM, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote: Chap, I replied to Kathy offlist, in much the vein that you did! However, as a current user of Legacy on a Mac, through Fusion and Windows XP, I have not had any platform problems. I only use Legacy and Quicken on the windows side, but they run like a charm, and it is easy to flip back and forth. I do data entry in Legacy on the XP side, and command-tab to the Mac side for all internet research. I will say, however, that I first tried the Legacy-on-a-Mac scenario, and was most unhappy with it had lots of problems. The new Macs are handling it beautifully. Full speed, etc. Janis Walker Gilmore On 1/4/09 1:31 PM, Leon Chapman chap...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kathy! You have a lot of good questions. I'll try to answer some of them. 1. Witnesses -- Legacy does not support, so you will need to do something else. Census. I place Census as events for each person on the Census record, so I would not place this in the marriage event area. Normally the Census will contain a whole family (father, mother children), so you really need to have a Census event for each person in my opinion. 2. Place names - I think you will want to keep the 4 fields for locations, assuming you are working mostly in the USA. The way I handle the Cemetery and other is as follows: Mansfield - Midtown Cemetery, Richland County, Ohio, USA This assume that Midtown Cemetery is in Mansfield. This keeps the 4 fields for sorting and you have the correct sort for the city. I would suggest you always use the 4 field notation even if you have to use commas. If you only know the State, then you would use: , , , Ohio, USA If you know the county and state, then , Richland County, Ohio, USA This keeps the 4 fields in tack and you can have Legacy remove the extra commas when you print your reports - it is an option. 3. Windows 2000 -- there you have it - trying to use an 8 year old piece of software is a problem. I would suggest upgrading to at least Windows XP, Vista is better. Microsoft is about to stop shipping Windows XP. They stopped shipping Windows 2000 several years ago. is just too oold. Windows 2000 would be about like running you Mac using version 8 or 9 of Apples software - I doubt it would support very much of the latest software on the market - you certainly wouldn't be running Paralles. I find it interesting that a number of Mac users want to be able to perform such complex tasks of running multiple operating systems that requires one to purchase multiple copies of Operating System Software. This is almost always fraught with compatibility issues on both the software and hardware side. Good luck on your Mac. Chap On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Kathy Cardoza kmacard...@mac.com wrote: I am just getting started with Legacy, moving to it from my Mac where I was using TMG. I downloaded the standard version of Legacy 7, liked it very much, and purchased the deluxe version. I transferred my database via gedcom. Most of it arrived intact and in the proper places in Legacy, although I am going through it all and correcting things that I want to be displayed or organized differently. My questions so far are: 1) Witnesses moved from TMG don't display properly in L7. I knew this going in. Census entries for a married couple, for instance, show up in their marriage information window. Is it a good idea to keep census events there or move each entry to that person's individual information screen? Pros and cons of each? 2) Place names: Coming from TMG, I very often show a place with an additional DETAIL.such as: Midtown Cemetery, Mansfield, Richland County, Ohio. Will that mess up the location sorting because of the extra field? If so, how best to fix it? 3) I am using Win2000 Pro so cannot seem to get IE7 as required to use the Mapping Feature in L7 (something I REALLY wanted to be able to use.) Is there any workaround for this? Other than getting XP or Vista, of course, which is not an option for me. I am a Mac person, using L7 through Parallels so Windows is NOT my main operating system. Thank you for any help. I'm sure I will have other questions as I get deeper into Legacy, a very fine program. Happy to be here! :) Kathy * Visit the Azores GenWeb Project
Re: [LegacyUG] Newbie questions
Allen, That's the first I have heard about the Coherence function of Parallels. I may have to consider a move from Fusion, because that sounds great. Thanks for that info. Janis On 1/4/09 5:37 PM, Allen Watson allen.wat...@q.com wrote: On 1/4/09 10:31 AM, Leon Chapman chap...@gmail.com wrote: I find it interesting that a number of Mac users want to be able to perform such complex tasks of running multiple operating systems that requires one to purchase multiple copies of Operating System Software. This is almost always fraught with compatibility issues on both the software and hardware side. I'm another Mac user running Windows XP under Parallels, and Legacy 7 with Internet Explorer 7 in XP. As others have said, the performance is nearly flawless. Coherence mode in Parallels actually lets the Windows tasks appear in the Mac's Dock, just like Mac applications, and with shared folders/directories, I can access my genealogy files (PDFs, images, etc) from either side; I can copy something on the Mac side and paste it on the Windows side, and vice versa. I love it! And I'm using a first generation Macbook, one of the first with Intel processors (required for Parallels). I find pperformance quite acceptable, although with a max of 2 GB RAM, I have to limit the number of memory-hungry applications I have open, or things can slow down. Newer Macs can have two or more times as much RAM, and thus no issues in this regard. Like Kathy, I use Windows almost exclusively for genealogy. As a web designer, I also test out web pages in Windows browsers, but that's the only other thing I do with Windows. For me, a Mac with Windows installed on Parallels is the best of both worlds. I've even known someone who worked primarily in Windows who bought a Mac on which to run it, because he also has access to all the Mac software as well. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Newbie questions
Thanks, Jim. I don't hae 2.x, but it sounds like it may be time for an upgrade! Janis On 1/4/09 5:59 PM, Jim Winfrey jimwinf...@gmail.com wrote: Janis, If you have Fusion 2.x, you already have Coherence. Jim -- From: Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 6:03 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Newbie questions Allen, That's the first I have heard about the Coherence function of Parallels. I may have to consider a move from Fusion, because that sounds great. Thanks for that info. Janis On 1/4/09 5:37 PM, Allen Watson allen.wat...@q.com wrote: On 1/4/09 10:31 AM, Leon Chapman chap...@gmail.com wrote: I find it interesting that a number of Mac users want to be able to perform such complex tasks of running multiple operating systems that requires one to purchase multiple copies of Operating System Software. This is almost always fraught with compatibility issues on both the software and hardware side. I'm another Mac user running Windows XP under Parallels, and Legacy 7 with Internet Explorer 7 in XP. As others have said, the performance is nearly flawless. Coherence mode in Parallels actually lets the Windows tasks appear in the Mac's Dock, just like Mac applications, and with shared folders/directories, I can access my genealogy files (PDFs, images, etc) from either side; I can copy something on the Mac side and paste it on the Windows side, and vice versa. I love it! And I'm using a first generation Macbook, one of the first with Intel processors (required for Parallels). I find pperformance quite acceptable, although with a max of 2 GB RAM, I have to limit the number of memory-hungry applications I have open, or things can slow down. Newer Macs can have two or more times as much RAM, and thus no issues in this regard. Like Kathy, I use Windows almost exclusively for genealogy. As a web designer, I also test out web pages in Windows browsers, but that's the only other thing I do with Windows. For me, a Mac with Windows installed on Parallels is the best of both worlds. I've even known someone who worked primarily in Windows who bought a Mac on which to run it, because he also has access to all the Mac software as well. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Reference list of contacts
You could have an event for each individual for whom you have contacts with whom you wish to be in touch regularly. Name the event Contacts and in the notes window add each person, and their email address. When you are working on that individual you just open that event and run down the list. Janis On 1/3/09 8:18 AM, MKO sc...@hotmail.com wrote: I used to use a gene program called reunion (windows version) which would let you keep a list of people that you used for reference / research. I was hoping legacy had something similar but can not find it. Simply someone that I can record the people and their contact details etc so that I can remember every now and then to get in touch with them to see if they have any new info. I don¹t want to use sourcing or the to do list for this, as I simply want to lookup a list to see which people I currently contact. I hope this makes sense to someone. Does legacy have anything similar? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] help using new source writer
Anne and Phil, I agree with Phil about obtaining the original, but I would still enter it and source it as you have it presently, until the original is in your possession. If the resulting source requires additional clarification, you can add a phrase in the Source DetailText/CommentsComments box. If you tick add these comments to the Source Citation on reports, it will be neatly appended. I have been using this function frequently as I work my way through a 160-page Civil War pension file. It makes it easy to source the pension file consistently, and add an explanatory comment about the specific reference within the enormous file. Such as notarized statement, George W. Gilmore, 21 May 1883, Rawlins County, Kansas. Janis Walker Gilmore On 1/3/09 2:43 AM, Phil Husband phusba...@verizon.net wrote: Anne, I checked this site and found it well done, interesting and helpful. If you found information on a family that is helpful that is good. However, I don't think you should use an index as a source. There are several reasons an index shouldn't be used. First of all: is what you are seeing exactly as it was in the original church record, or any other record that was used to create the index? Secondly: IMO an index would be best if used as a clue to help you locate the actual record. My suggestion would be to follow up on the information that you found and send for a copy of the actual record, or you might find that LDS has a microfilm of the record in question that you could search at your local LDS library. Having said all of that, in the new Master Source Writer, I would use Church records or Marriage records as the type of source. As you progress through the choices, you'll notice that at no point does it mention the word index but you might find something in each tab that works for you. An alternative might be to use the Basic Style Source Template. I have found the Master Source Writer a little easier to use as I continue to work with it. For example, if I'm working on a census record then I enter a lot of census records so that I develop a pattern and get the feel for how or what I'm supposed to be doing.. As to naming the source I'd suggest: Great Britian, MidKent marriage records or another part of the Website Link. This information from the index might be best kept under the tab *Research* until you have the actual data closest to when the original was entered in a church register. Feel free to contact me off line at phusba...@verizon.net if you wish. Good luck, Phil - Original Message - From: Anne Brooks anbro...@nbnet.nb.ca To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:50 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] help using new source writer I would like someone to share with me how they would create a master source (using the new source writer), for a marriage found in the index at this website below. I am finding it very difficult to use this tool. I think if you put Mid Kent Marriages Index in Google it will come up. http://woodchurchancestry.org.uk/midkentmarriages/about.html I cannot even decide which of the many options for step 1 would be the most appropriate. Am I alone in finding this difficult? Many thanks, Anne Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009 1:10 PM Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Printer errors
Ron, As a workaround (and possibly this has been suggested, but I haven't followed all of the thread), can you just print to pdf, then print from that, instead of from Legacy? Janis Walker Gilmore On 12/29/08 2:42 PM, Ron Bernier ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net wrote: Since the last two Legacy updates I have encountered the same issue. Legacy insists that I do not have a printer attached. Legacy is the only program that does not recognize my network printer. Ron Bernier Sent from my Blackberry - Original Message - From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com k...@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Mon Dec 29 14:23:43 2008 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Printer errors Yes, it is a home networked printer (printing directly to printer not a shared printer on another pc in home network). I have NO issues printing to this printer from other programs... Legacy is installed in the default location. Carl -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Sherry/Support Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 2:18 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Printer errors Carl, Are you on a home network? The error could be related to the printer not available. Otherwise, reinstall the printer drivers for that printer. Make sure all other programs are closed when you do that, especially any security software. Also, make sure Legacy is installed to the default c:\Legacy folder and you have UAC enabled. Thanks for using Legacy. Sherry Customer Support Millennia Corporation supp...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Carl Hilton Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 6:28 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Printer errors Every time launch legacy (7.0.0.83). I get errors about there not being a printer defined. I have verified a printer that is READY in the Control Panel (Vista). When I go into Legacy and PRINTER SETUP I get. Print Setup Error Error 32757: The common dialog function was unable to lock the memory associated with a handle. Would you like to TRY IT AGAIN? Any Ideas? Carl *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Merging basic sources into sourcewriter
Lew does have a point, however, about finding out from Legacy whether there were problems with the merges, which those who utilized them should be aware of, and correct. Janis On 12/29/08 5:07 PM, Elizabeth Richardson erich...@worldnet.att.net wrote: I think you should explain what was wrong with your old sources and why you need to convert them. Seems to me if they need to be reformatted, you could just reformat them with the basic system. The Source Writer has nothing special going for it in my opinion. (Taking all virtual bricks here.) Looks like I could get my own protest campaign going here, but this sort of protest (yours or mine), isn't really useful. Let's just find out how to use the features we do have. If there is something you'd like to suggest, communicating directly with the company seems a much better way to do it. Elizabeth researching the descendants of William and Sarah (Patterson) Thompson - Original Message - From: Chick Lewis cglewi...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 1:00 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Merging basic sources into sourcewriter I would like to hear from Legacy as to why this feature was removed (build 76, I think) It seems to work very well and I have had no problems converting sources from FTM16 into sourcewriter using this method. Apparently there are others also that liked this feature. I think Legacy should explain why it was removed and we should be advised if it has caused problems that need to be corrected. Lew *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] A Census Detail Question...
I think Elizabeth's way is a good one. I got started on another system, however, and have simply stuck with it. In the source detail (and citation), I cite the head of household only, unless the household member has special circumstances. For instance, might add a clarification: ... John Adams household, for Clara Gooden, inmate, poor farm; etc. Janis Walker Gilmore (enjoying a post-Christmas quiet) On 12/28/08 2:24 PM, Eliz Hanebury elizhg...@gmail.com wrote: I use for the person I am working on and then for everyone in the household Eliz On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Roxanne maighe...@yahoo.com wrote: This is another one of those What do others tend to do? questions. I like to get my census event details pretty exact. When I am filling in the detail info, and come to the ID of Person field, I'm not entirely sure whose name to fill in. I know that in the US censuses from 1840 on back, I can only use the head of household name. Am I correct in continuing to use that for 1850 forward? Or should I be using the name of the person for whom I am recording the event? I'm thinking mainly of the cases where an ancestor works in the household of someone to whom they are not related. What is the SOP? Thanks in advance, Roxanne Baird *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Need a Gedcom from Ver 7
I daresay most of those who refuse to follow the guidelines have simply slipped. When a list is heavily populated, that is bound to happen occasionally. I'm sure this is what happened with Ruth. Janis Walker Gilmore On 12/27/08 8:46 AM, Elizabeth Cunningham drybo...@netreach.net wrote: MOST? A few maybe, but not most. Elizabeth C Ron Bernier wrote: I have given up expecting the list subscribers to follow the guidelines. Most just refuse to do so. I do blame Millennia for refusing to use servers /software that can strip html and block attachments. Ron Bernier Sent from my Blackberry - Original Message - From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com k...@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Sat Dec 27 00:49:51 2008 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Need a Gedcom from Ver 7 They *really* need to do something about their maillist software and/or their servers to prevent just this sort of thing- even if it means raising the price to pay for it! *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Off Topic: Internet Explorer Security Risk
Art, My 78-year-old dad (former CEO of two high profile high tech companies) is like you. Still learning the new operating systems and moving on into the future. General population stats, however, make it clear that you and Daddy are a minority - a wonderful, wonderful minority. Hence the stereotype. g Janis Walker Gilmore On 12/18/08 11:27 PM, Art Seddon ased...@artseddon.com wrote: Yeh Ron, I'm only 81, but I just started on computers with a Tandy in the 1970's, so I seldom have to have my Grandson help me out. Of course the web-site that I have built, http://www.calodges.org/no406/HOME.HTM (not family history) is written in html. Much smaller pages, easier for dial-up to download. But stereotypes prevail. Art Seddon - Original Message - From: ronald ferguson To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 2:27 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Off Topic: Internet Explorer Security Risk Red, Well, I guess the age distribution of the Legacy population is probably weighted towards the higher end, but I would advise against stereotyping, as you will find many who have been able to write about, talk about and actually program from the early days of DOS, and still do so today. Like many, I may be long in the tooth, (or should it really be short in the gums?), but I, like the others I mentioned, am fortunate to possess faculties which are still rather less tham impaired. You see, it is quite possible to infer from your post that you are promoting the common misapprehension(?) held by those whose skills have been honed in the (more?) challenging world of industry regarding difficulty experienced by those isolated in their ivory towers from the pressures of having to expand their horizons. Not, of course that I would ever suggest such a thing :-) Ron Ferguson _ *New Tutorial* Publish your Web Pages - Blogs http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: redsande...@hotmail.com To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Off Topic: Internet Explorer Security Risk Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:06:12 -0600 Not having taken the time to read the latest reviews of the strength of the various firewalls available, I am unable to accurately answer your question. I would guess that the Wireless Router's firewall is sufficiently protecting you. Actually, the point of my post was directed at folks that use their computer for online genealogical work. I'm assuming that many are middle age and older. And I am assuming that, therefore, many have limited computer skills and/or knowledge - given that they learned how to use computers late in life. My stereotype developed from a long experience at my primary job with my school district (now retired) which was to teach teachers (many middle aged and older) and community members how to use computers. So, I hesitated to even mention a firewall. Just getting most folks to have Windows updated on a reliable basis is an accomplishment. The astounding number of zombie computers worldwide continues is testimony that many do not implement these security measures. If I were to get into detailing the scheduling of deep system scans, scans for rootkits, spyware, etc. - I feared that I'd get the same reaction that I have in the past when too much stuff was thrown at my stereotyped group. [http://gfx2.hotmail.com/mail/w3/ltr/i_safe.gif] I hope that I'm not offending anyone with this take on things. I'm a new member to the Legacy User Group, and a new user of Legacy, so I'm not sure how many use this user group. All of this has probably been said here before, but since the security of I.E. arose, I thought it would be a good time interject. Please excuse if I've overstepped! Red Sanders Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:22:46 + From: hopebagot.b...@virgin.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Off Topic: Internet Explorer Security Risk Red Sanders wrote: Finally, your Windows Firewall must be on. I keep hearing this, but my Wireless Router has it's own built-in firewall and if I use the Windows one as well, they seem to argue with each other, from time to time. Do you still say the Windows Firewall should be on? _ Get a bird¹s eye view of the world with Multimap http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454059/direct/01/ *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines:
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source Subsequent Citation Issue
Ms. Mills' succinct and practical statement about the practicality of stringent standards for sourcing is most welcome. I continue to pull for Legacy to become the academic software of choice for genealogists; it has much to recommend it. I drifted to Legacy (as I have often said) more or less by accident, from TMG. There are things I still miss about TMG, but the superior graphic interface of Legacy was enough to keep me here. Improved sourcing capabilities with 7.0 pretty further confirmed my choice. I do understand that not everyone feels as I do. I am more than happy to live and let live. Legacy still offers the old style sourcing. But my personal testimony (can you tell that I was raised a Baptist?) is that my research, and my output of that research, has been immeasurably improved and informed by a striving to apply academic standards in the past two years. The work that went before I tend to view as work to be done over. (Note the word striving. As my husband is fond of saying, I know what I am: not there yet!) Janis On 12/7/08 6:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We could see this coming, and it is why I would imagine most are like me, and extremely selective as to which Source Writer templates are used. Mrs Mills has a lot to answer for!! Beyond a doubt, I do, Mr. Ferguson. g However, I doubt that this will be one of those issues for which I will one day make atonement. Standard practices for citing subsequent sources existed long before _Evidence Explained._ I take no credit for inventing them--only for the labor of cataloging them in a genealogical context. Indeed, those standards existed long before the emergence of the great divide between lumpers and splitters. The crux of the problem is this: Every software program has its peculiarly distinctive architecture. Until common standards are followed by all of them, we wrestle with a common problem: What works for one program doesn't necessarily work for another. Beyond that, until that glorious day comes when peace, harmony, and total synchronization exists, we have a few other realities to live with: 1. Standards for writing and documentation *do* exist for logical reasons, although it would be illogical to assume that everyone will automatically perceive all those reasons. Most of us learn their value the hard way--whether that be through time-consuming study or costly mistakes. 2. Computers and software are tools to help us perform our tasks--whatever those tasks may be--according to the standards that exist for each task. 3. If we believe that standards should change to fit every piece of software, then we're arguing for a morass in which there are no standards at all. Some studies have shown that most genealogists today have been doing genealogy for less than a dozen years. Even so, there are many who well remember the state of affairs in the early-to-mid 80s, when genealogical software allowed us no way to cite sources at all--no way, no place, no how. When we begged the designers for some way to do this, they, too, had trouble understanding those standards for writing and documentation we spoke of. Many a time, at one conference or another, they smiled at me so tolerantly before they tsked: Now, Elizabeth. Nobody cares about documentation--nobody but a few 'professionals' like you. (They even had this cute little way of saying professionals that made it sound like a 13-letter dirty word--apparently oblivious to the fact that even genealogists who help others with their research have private lives in which they research their own families.) Today, we are blessed that brilliant developers such as Geoff, and his counterparts at several other major genealogical software firms, not only realize why standards for research and documentation exist, but also are putting immense effort into figuring out how to make their programs produce those standards. Like all of us, their efforts are still a work in progress. Candid discussions in forums such as this, in which users share their experiences in using those tools, helps them greatly. Debating the intricacies of citation, the differences between sources, the ways both effect our analysis of evidence and the reliability of our data--these, too, help us toward our common goal: To find our forebears, separate them from other same name individuals, reconstruct their lives, and assemble them into families whose collective experiences ultimately make ourselves and our world more understandable. Elizabeth - Elizabeth Shown Mills (Whose ancestors have led her on a merry chase through every state east of the Mississippi, half of those to the west, and virtually every country west of Russia) *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines:
Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source Subsequent Citation Issue
I wish I had thought to add to my previous post that Ron is clearly a Legacy guru. Regardless of our differences of opinion regarding sourcing, he is the go-to guy for anything about Legacy. Janis On 12/7/08 6:46 PM, Janis L Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ms. Mills' succinct and practical statement about the practicality of stringent standards for sourcing is most welcome. I continue to pull for Legacy to become the academic software of choice for genealogists; it has much to recommend it. I drifted to Legacy (as I have often said) more or less by accident, from TMG. There are things I still miss about TMG, but the superior graphic interface of Legacy was enough to keep me here. Improved sourcing capabilities with 7.0 pretty further confirmed my choice. I do understand that not everyone feels as I do. I am more than happy to live and let live. Legacy still offers the old style sourcing. But my personal testimony (can you tell that I was raised a Baptist?) is that my research, and my output of that research, has been immeasurably improved and informed by a striving to apply academic standards in the past two years. The work that went before I tend to view as work to be done over. (Note the word striving. As my husband is fond of saying, I know what I am: not there yet!) Janis On 12/7/08 6:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We could see this coming, and it is why I would imagine most are like me, and extremely selective as to which Source Writer templates are used. Mrs Mills has a lot to answer for!! Beyond a doubt, I do, Mr. Ferguson. g However, I doubt that this will be one of those issues for which I will one day make atonement. Standard practices for citing subsequent sources existed long before _Evidence Explained._ I take no credit for inventing them--only for the labor of cataloging them in a genealogical context. Indeed, those standards existed long before the emergence of the great divide between lumpers and splitters. The crux of the problem is this: Every software program has its peculiarly distinctive architecture. Until common standards are followed by all of them, we wrestle with a common problem: What works for one program doesn't necessarily work for another. Beyond that, until that glorious day comes when peace, harmony, and total synchronization exists, we have a few other realities to live with: 1. Standards for writing and documentation *do* exist for logical reasons, although it would be illogical to assume that everyone will automatically perceive all those reasons. Most of us learn their value the hard way--whether that be through time-consuming study or costly mistakes. 2. Computers and software are tools to help us perform our tasks--whatever those tasks may be--according to the standards that exist for each task. 3. If we believe that standards should change to fit every piece of software, then we're arguing for a morass in which there are no standards at all. Some studies have shown that most genealogists today have been doing genealogy for less than a dozen years. Even so, there are many who well remember the state of affairs in the early-to-mid 80s, when genealogical software allowed us no way to cite sources at all--no way, no place, no how. When we begged the designers for some way to do this, they, too, had trouble understanding those standards for writing and documentation we spoke of. Many a time, at one conference or another, they smiled at me so tolerantly before they tsked: Now, Elizabeth. Nobody cares about documentation--nobody but a few 'professionals' like you. (They even had this cute little way of saying professionals that made it sound like a 13-letter dirty word--apparently oblivious to the fact that even genealogists who help others with their research have private lives in which they research their own families.) Today, we are blessed that brilliant developers such as Geoff, and his counterparts at several other major genealogical software firms, not only realize why standards for research and documentation exist, but also are putting immense effort into figuring out how to make their programs produce those standards. Like all of us, their efforts are still a work in progress. Candid discussions in forums such as this, in which users share their experiences in using those tools, helps them greatly. Debating the intricacies of citation, the differences between sources, the ways both effect our analysis of evidence and the reliability of our data--these, too, help us toward our common goal: To find our forebears, separate them from other same name individuals, reconstruct their lives, and assemble them into families whose collective experiences ultimately make ourselves and our world more understandable. Elizabeth - Elizabeth Shown Mills (Whose ancestors have led her on a merry chase through every
Re: [LegacyUG] Notes VS Events
I agree with Paul on this. It also offers the added benefit of being able to move the information up or down in the events - to appear first or last, or chronologically. Janis On 12/4/08 6:19 AM, Paul Croteau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob: For what it's worth, I like to enter any confirmations the person existed under events, which would include a biography. I enjoy the feature of having a date, or a span of time, to reflect the information and source details. I use the general and research notes more to remind me of what I have done or a Possible source for that person. I do use the Medical notes to describe the persons death, or disease they died from. Hope this helps... Paul www.pdcroteau.com - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Legacy LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 6:04:37 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Notes VS Events I'm having some personal conflict in whether to add data as a note or an event and would like some views on where folks place specific data . For example - I have a biography from relative A - should I enter it under the notes or make it an event? another - If entering 1860 census data showing Uncle Joe's family and those living in his household - note or event? Some observations when preparing a 'book' report - Descendant Narrative : (1) If I enter data as a note, the information is located immediately under the persons name as a flowing narrative, which can get rather lengthy plus would require adding my sourcing information to the narrative if I wanted to show where I got the information; OR (2) if entered as an event, the data becomes a short cryptic entry after the name with a footnote. I do note that the entire data can appear in the footnote, together with the sourcing material, providing that feature is elected when setting up the source detail (i.e., selecting 'Add this text to the source citation on reports' ). It may be that personal preference dictates this, but I would appreciate some insight from others on how they use the notes and events feature. Bob *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp *** Holiday discounts on Legacy 7.0, add-ons, books, and more. Visit http://tinyurl.com/65rpbt. *** Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
