Re: [LegacyUG] Two Questions?

[Jeanine Bailiff]

Hi This has nothing to do with  Legacy even though I am on it.  I live 
in Vancouver Washington but I grew up mostly in Butte Montana. The only 
Herzog I knew was JoAnn Herzog (I think was her first name.  I am 85 so 
it has been a long time since I left Butte  Actually 1949 when I went to 
college. Anyway just wondering if you were related. It is a name not 
frequently seen.


Jeanine Martinell Bailiff


On 5/1/2017 9:57 AM, Joyce Herzog wrote:
Thank you to both CE Wood & Rick Koelz. I have been offline since7 PM 
EDT hence the delay in thanking you both


Thanks, again,

Regards,
Joyce

On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 8:14 PM, Rick Koelz > wrote:


The new Find A Grave Source template is at:

*Cemetery records > Grave markers, plaques, tombstones, monumental
inscriptions > Online images > Find A Grave*

On the Add a New Master Source using SourceWriter screen


On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Joyce Herzog
> wrote:

First, someone said there is a new Find a Grave source
Template. Well I can't find it. Will someone tell be the # or
name of the template? I searched on find a grave with no results.
Second, How long are file paths allowed to be? Where can I
find instruction on file paths & Legacy>

Thank you so much for any help you can give.

Regards,
Joyce
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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Kris]

Businesses that don't make money aren't around long. I *hope* they're 
making money!  I won't mention the "other" genealogy programs that 
aren't available anymore because they weren't making enough money.  :-)


On 5/3/2017 7:02 PM, johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au wrote:

Mea culpa. My desire to help others and my frustration about lack of
Unicode caused me to briefly forget the harsh reality that Legacy’s
bottom line is about making money.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Laura Ellene]

I have been following this.  This is my first post.  We have so much strife and 
bad manners in the world today, this doesn’t seem the place to exhibit it.  
Even some of the apologies have “digs.”  I think it is wonderful for Legacy to 
host such a forum for users and I am grateful.

 

If I went out with “Bill,” I wouldn’t spend the evening talking about “Don” or 
Bill would give me the gate and deservedly so.  I think I understand the point 
Legacy is making and don’t want to kick them for it.  It is just good manners 
to not use this forum as an advertisement for a competitive product.

 

Laura

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 7:03 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

 

Mea culpa. My desire to help others and my frustration about lack of Unicode 
caused me to briefly forget the harsh reality that Legacy’s bottom line is 
about making money.

John

 

From: Sherry <mailto:hot.rod.w...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 6:07 AM

To: Legacy User Group <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>  

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

 

Dave,

You only mentioned AQ in passing, but I was commenting on your way of thinking 
that you stated in your first sentence.

I didn't create the rules.

 

Certainly other programs have been mentioned in passing, but not quite the 
promotion that the other poster gave.

And yes, Unicode has been on the "wish list" for a long time. However, the 
current programming language that the programmers are using - VB6 - doesn't 
support that. Until they can learn another programming language and port Legacy 
over to that, the program won't be able to support Unicode. Some of the most 
avid users of Legacy have found a "work-around" by using Western European fonts 
- they find the advantages to Legacy far outweigh the inability to add their 
Eastern European ancestry with the correct spelling.

Sherry

 

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:25 AM, David Picken <dpic...@web.de> wrote:

Sherry has drawn a red line and is telling me that I have crossed it by 
mentioning (not promoting, please) a non-Legacy product. I’m sorry about that 
and will try to stay behind the red line in future, although my expectations on 
a user group are certainly somewhat wider than described in the guidelines.

 

That post was written by me not to hype any other product, but purely to offer 
a possible solution for my fellow users who are not getting the performance 
they need from Legacy, based on my personal experience.

 

At the risk of being thrown off this list (on World Press Freedom Day of all 
days), just allow me please to mention that the archive of this user group has 
been discussing Unicode and Eastern European language support since at least 
2006, with intentions of porting the software to a platform that supports 
Unicode being given as answers back then and at several times in between.





So now we are 10 years on, support for Unicode did not happen with Legacy9, and 
I guess the move to support Unicode is still „imminent“.

Could it be that users with a serious requirement for Cyrillic, Asian, Middle 
Eastern etc. language support have long moved on to a different product?

 

Courteously, David

 

 

Am 20170503 um 15:06 schrieb Sherry <hot.rod.w...@gmail.com>:

 

This is a user's group for LEGACY and its add-on programs. This is stated in 
the second sentence of the Legacy User Group Guidelines at 
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp (the link is on the page where 
you signed up to join the group)

The group was not created to promote other programs or for questions about 
using other programs. It was created for those "how-to" questions when you 
can't find the answers or figure out something

The message about FTM (and your promo for AQ) should have gone off-list.

Think about it - if you were selling Coke products, would you like someone to 
be promoting Pepsi on your website or mailing list??

 

The programmers are busy programming and don't follow the lists like they used 
to. 

In the Support section of the Legacy Home tab, you can send Support questions 
for technical support and Suggestions for new features or enhancing existing 
ones. Use that form if you wish to suggest Unicode or some other new feature.

 

 

Sherry

 

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 1:30 AM, David Picken <dpic...@web.de> wrote:

I support John’s way of thinking. This is a Users’ Group, not a promotion 
platform for Legacy. 

 

What we all have in common – I assume – is our desire to do best possible 
genealogical research and conserve, present, share and publish the results in 
the best possible way. Legacy is just one tool to help us do that.

 

If the development staff follow this group (an exercise commonly known as 
marketing), they will find many clues as to how

Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[johnbernacki1]

Mea culpa. My desire to help others and my frustration about lack of Unicode 
caused me to briefly forget the harsh reality that Legacy’s bottom line is 
about making money.

John


From: Sherry 
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 6:07 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

Dave,


You only mentioned AQ in passing, but I was commenting on your way of thinking 
that you stated in your first sentence.


I didn't create the rules.


Certainly other programs have been mentioned in passing, but not quite the 
promotion that the other poster gave.


And yes, Unicode has been on the "wish list" for a long time. However, the 
current programming language that the programmers are using - VB6 - doesn't 
support that. Until they can learn another programming language and port Legacy 
over to that, the program won't be able to support Unicode. Some of the most 
avid users of Legacy have found a "work-around" by using Western European fonts 
- they find the advantages to Legacy far outweigh the inability to add their 
Eastern European ancestry with the correct spelling.


Sherry


On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:25 AM, David Picken <dpic...@web.de> wrote:

  Sherry has drawn a red line and is telling me that I have crossed it by 
mentioning (not promoting, please) a non-Legacy product. I’m sorry about that 
and will try to stay behind the red line in future, although my expectations on 
a user group are certainly somewhat wider than described in the guidelines.

  That post was written by me not to hype any other product, but purely to 
offer a possible solution for my fellow users who are not getting the 
performance they need from Legacy, based on my personal experience.

  At the risk of being thrown off this list (on World Press Freedom Day of all 
days), just allow me please to mention that the archive of this user group has 
been discussing Unicode and Eastern European language support since at least 
2006, with intentions of porting the software to a platform that supports 
Unicode being given as answers back then and at several times in between.


  So now we are 10 years on, support for Unicode did not happen with Legacy9, 
and I guess the move to support Unicode is still „imminent“.
  Could it be that users with a serious requirement for Cyrillic, Asian, Middle 
Eastern etc. language support have long moved on to a different product?

  Courteously, David


  Am 20170503 um 15:06 schrieb Sherry <hot.rod.w...@gmail.com>:

  This is a user's group for LEGACY and its add-on programs. This is stated in 
the second sentence of the Legacy User Group Guidelines at 
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp (the link is on the page where 
you signed up to join the group)

  The group was not created to promote other programs or for questions about 
using other programs. It was created for those "how-to" questions when you 
can't find the answers or figure out something


  The message about FTM (and your promo for AQ) should have gone off-list.


  Think about it - if you were selling Coke products, would you like someone to 
be promoting Pepsi on your website or mailing list??


  The programmers are busy programming and don't follow the lists like they 
used to. 

  In the Support section of the Legacy Home tab, you can send Support questions 
for technical support and Suggestions for new features or enhancing existing 
ones. Use that form if you wish to suggest Unicode or some other new feature.



  Sherry



  On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 1:30 AM, David Picken <dpic...@web.de> wrote:

I support John’s way of thinking. This is a Users’ Group, not a promotion 
platform for Legacy. 

What we all have in common – I assume – is our desire to do best possible 
genealogical research and conserve, present, share and publish the results in 
the best possible way. Legacy is just one tool to help us do that.

If the development staff follow this group (an exercise commonly known as 
marketing), they will find many clues as to how they could optimize Legacy, and 
if anyone sends people off to look at other products without justification, 
then the Legacy folks are free to tell us why we should stay with Legacy.

As for Unicode, those who need that may want to try AncestralQuest – it 
worked for me when importing Ukrainian (Cyrillic alphabet) names and places. 
And I am not associated with AQ in any way :-)

Best, David



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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Sherry]

Dave,

You only mentioned AQ in passing, but I was commenting on your way of
thinking that you stated in your first sentence.

I didn't create the rules.

Certainly other programs have been mentioned in passing, but not quite the
promotion that the other poster gave.

And yes, Unicode has been on the "wish list" for a long time. However, the
current programming language that the programmers are using - VB6 - doesn't
support that. Until they can learn another programming language and port
Legacy over to that, the program won't be able to support Unicode. Some of
the most avid users of Legacy have found a "work-around" by using Western
European fonts - they find the advantages to Legacy far outweigh the
inability to add their Eastern European ancestry with the correct spelling.

Sherry

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:25 AM, David Picken <dpic...@web.de> wrote:

> Sherry has drawn a red line and is telling me that I have crossed it by
> mentioning (not promoting, please) a non-Legacy product. I’m sorry about
> that and will try to stay behind the red line in future, although my
> expectations on a user group are certainly somewhat wider than described in
> the guidelines.
>
> That post was written by me not to hype any other product, but purely to
> offer a possible solution for my fellow users who are not getting the
> performance they need from Legacy, based on my personal experience.
>
> At the risk of being thrown off this list (on World Press Freedom Day of
> all days), just allow me please to mention that the archive of this user
> group has been discussing Unicode and Eastern European language support
> since at least 2006, with intentions of porting the software to a platform
> that supports Unicode being given as answers back then and at several times
> in between.
>
> So now we are 10 years on, support for Unicode did not happen with
> Legacy9, and I guess the move to support Unicode is still „imminent“.
> Could it be that users with a serious requirement for Cyrillic, Asian,
> Middle Eastern etc. language support have long moved on to a different
> product?
>
> Courteously, David
>
>
> Am 20170503 um 15:06 schrieb Sherry <hot.rod.w...@gmail.com>:
>
> This is a user's group for LEGACY and its add-on programs. This is stated
> in the second sentence of the Legacy User Group Guidelines at
> http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp (the link is on the page
> where you signed up to join the group)
>
> The group was not created to promote other programs or for questions about
> using other programs. It was created for those "how-to" questions when you
> can't find the answers or figure out something
>
> The message about FTM (and your promo for AQ) should have gone off-list.
>
> Think about it - if you were selling Coke products, would you like someone
> to be promoting Pepsi on your website or mailing list??
>
> The programmers are busy programming and don't follow the lists like they
> used to.
>
> In the Support section of the Legacy Home tab, you can send Support
> questions for technical support and Suggestions for new features or
> enhancing existing ones. Use that form if you wish to suggest Unicode or
> some other new feature.
>
>
> Sherry
>
>
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 1:30 AM, David Picken <dpic...@web.de> wrote:
>
>> I support John’s way of thinking. This is a Users’ Group, not a promotion
>> platform for Legacy.
>>
>> What we all have in common – I assume – is our desire to do best possible
>> genealogical research and conserve, present, share and publish the results
>> in the best possible way. Legacy is just one tool to help us do that.
>>
>> If the development staff follow this group (an exercise commonly known as
>> marketing), they will find many clues as to how they could optimize Legacy,
>> and if anyone sends people off to look at other products without
>> justification, then the Legacy folks are free to tell us why we should stay
>> with Legacy.
>>
>> As for Unicode, those who need that may want to try AncestralQuest – it
>> worked for me when importing Ukrainian (Cyrillic alphabet) names and
>> places. And I am not associated with AQ in any way :-)
>>
>> Best, David
>>
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 9 and F-A-G

[Jenny M Benson]

On 03-May-17 05:23 PM, Martha Graham wrote:
I have been using the new F-A-G function of Legacy 9 and now wish to be 
able to use the search function to narrow down folks to look for or in 
some cases wish to ignore those who already have a F-A-G Memorial entered.


One of the things that I did first was to include a F-A-G Mem # Col on 
the index. This works fine, and I can see at a glance who has been updated.

But, as mentioned above, I now want a list specific to three things:
Surname, Birth Location [State] and whether they have a F-A-G Memorial #.
The Search function has options such as: Equal, Contains, Not Equal, 
etc. but the F-A-G Mem #s are huge and not consistent so using any of 
the options does not work. For instance if the first three #s were 123, 
a search might work, but they are not.


Searching for an "Individual" with "Find-a-Grave ID" Contains "*" will 
give you a list of those who have an entry in the ID field.  If you 
choose Not Equal To instead of Contains, you will get a list of those 
with a blacnk FAG ID field.  In both cases you can add a second 
condition such as AND Burial Place Contains "Arkansas" for example.


When you have the Search List you can choose to print it with the Fields 
that you select.


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[LegacyUG] Resizing photos the Geoff way

[Jenny M Benson]

Some time ago in a webinar Geoff showed us how to resize photos to a 
uniform size by using Photoshop Elements and dropping one 
correctly-sized photo onto a larger one in the Project Bin.


I have performed this manoeuvre many times and successfully produced a 
nice set of matching-size pictures to use in Legacy.  I have also 
ATTEMPTED to do it several times and not succeeded.  What happens 
sometimes is that I do Ctrl-A then try to slide the pic from the main 
window to the one in the Bin and instead of this working as it should, 
the main window photo appears to slide off it's canvas, leaving a white 
space on the screen.


I cannot for the life of me work out what I am doing wrong because I 
think I am following the same process every time.  Any suggestions?

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Re: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?

[CE WOOD]

SO TRUE! Computers are precise. An Alternative Name index (like Legacy's) that 
would link all name variations to the same memorial would be ideal. It would 
take time to build, but would be so helpful.


CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of Ed 
Ladendorf 
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 8:45 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?

Thanks for the reply, Bob. I considered that possibility, but there is 
absolutely nothing different from what I have in Legacy and the FAG site. I 
just checked it again. While I was there, I searched for Heinrich Ladendorf, 
and Henry Ladendorf. The Heinrich entry matched what I had entered on FAG. The 
search for Henry came up empty, unlike some other sites' search engines. So 
that's something to be aware of.
Fwiw, others can be aware that a "no hits" doesn't necessarily mean there is no 
memorial for the person in question.


On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Bob Austen 
> wrote:
Hi Ed,
I have experienced that too, but I attributed that to the name being somewhat 
different in my Legacy file – perhaps with a second name or initial.

Bob Austen

From: LegacyUserGroup 
[mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com]
 On Behalf Of Ed Ladendorf
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 7:18 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?

I haven't seen this discussed, and I wondered if anyone else has experienced 
what I have. Probably 15 - 20 years ago, I entered a few memorials at FAG. 
While trying out the new V9, two of them were not found in the search at FAG. 
Thinking I probably had a typo or something, I double checked everything, but 
found no errors at all. Going to the FAG site, I searched for them. Sure 
enough, they showed up. But not searching from Legacy. Has anyone else seen the 
problem of searches coming up empty, when you know they exist?

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Re: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?

[CE WOOD]

Contact FAG. Their Help section has multiple email addresses to use depending 
on your problem or question.


FAG was bought by Ancestry, but has its own, specialized team.


Using the FAG number is the only reliable way to find a person. As I mentioned 
in an earlier post, their search capabilities are deficient because of name 
variations, use of "king of", "Lord", "Sir", "de", "von", etc. in the Last Name 
field. Cemeteries are worse because the original contributor often uses just 
the name of the church/churchyard, i.e., St. Mary's Church. That becomes what 
you have to search for, not Arlington, which was not included in the name when 
the contributor added it. And, there are more than 50 pages of "St. Mary's 
Church" and no way other than slog through all of them to see if the one in 
Arlington is there - and that's even though you are searching one country. Just 
hope it was not entered as St. Marys Church (without the apostrophe). Computers 
are precise.


Also, if you care about the exact geographical location, check the map. Many 
people do not check that the coordinates they entered (if they did) are the 
correct coordinates.


There is a way to correct cemetery errors. Correcting what you consider naming 
errors is impossible unless you can convince the contributor that he is wrong 
and you are correct.



CE



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Ian Macaulay 
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 8:50 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?

Something is outawhack. Last night I searched from legacy for a known FAG 
entry and nothing showed.  But then I went to FAG and used their search by name 
and nothing showed.  So I called up the Cemetery listing and it was not there, 
So then I used the FAG number in the FAG search and there it was.  It was in 
the correct Cemetery (Which was Arlington, and so should not have any errors ). 
 So All I can surmise is that the name has some hidden character hiding in it 
or the system is broke.   I also tried the cemetery search and then the 
subjects name from that.   It failed as well.
So from that I also assume that its not Legacy at fault. ( If there is anyone 
from Ancestry  watching,  I can provide details.)

Ian


On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Ed Ladendorf 
> wrote:
I haven't seen this discussed, and I wondered if anyone else has experienced 
what I have. Probably 15 - 20 years ago, I entered a few memorials at FAG. 
While trying out the new V9, two of them were not found in the search at FAG. 
Thinking I probably had a typo or something, I double checked everything, but 
found no errors at all. Going to the FAG site, I searched for them. Sure 
enough, they showed up. But not searching from Legacy. Has anyone else seen the 
problem of searches coming up empty, when you know they exist?

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Re: [LegacyUG] New Find-a-Grave feature

[Brian Kelly]

He decided to quit updating LTools so it has not been updated to work 
with the new file structure used by Legacy 9.0. When I answered the 
original post I did not mention LTools as an option because I knew you 
cannot use LTools with a Legacy 9.0 database.


Brian Kelly

On 03-May-17 12:57 PM, GORDON M TAYLOR wrote:

Yes but he is still around


*From:* LegacyUserGroup  on
behalf of geoda...@mwt.net 
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 2, 2017 10:23:54 PM
*To:* Scott Hall; legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] New Find-a-Grave feature

I just remembered that a few years back a user named Dennis (Kowalski, I
think) from Zipper Software created a program named “LTools” that
allowed slightly more advanced users to do some pretty neat stuff to
their legacy data file. However, I just checked, and his website states
that LTools has been retired.

George

*From: *geoda...@mwt.net 
*Sent: *Tuesday, May 2, 2017 11:16 PM
*To: *Scott Hall ;
legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com 
*Subject: *Re: [LegacyUG] New Find-a-Grave feature

I, too, had approximately 2,400 FAG#’s in the User ID field and just
finished cutting & pasting them all into the FAG ID field. Wasn’t very
fun. Sure would’ve been nice if I’d had some kind of script or something
to do the job for me. Oh, well.

George

*From: *Scott Hall 
*Sent: *Tuesday, May 2, 2017 4:22 PM
*To: *legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com

*Subject: *[LegacyUG] New Find-a-Grave feature

Hello ...

I am happy that v9 has a FAG data field and direct link to this well
accepted and important genealogical tool.  For years I have been
capturing FAG memorials in my Legacy file by copying the FAG memorial
number into the UserID field.  Now that there is a dedicated FAG
memorial ID field, is there an easy way to mass copy the data from one
field to the other?  I'd like to avoid retyping (or linking) every
record connected to FAG in my file as there are over 4,500 records with
this data.

Thanks,

Scott



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Re: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?

[CE WOOD]

Direct relatives within four generations can be transferred to you if you 
request.. This would be your siblings, parents, grandparents, 
great-grandparents, children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren.


"In regard to duplicates, a memorial with a correct known burial location will 
always be preferred over an unknown burial location. A member has thirty days 
to update the memorial to the correct burial location on recent deaths. If a 
case of duplicate memorials falls to the Administration, the Administration 
will have the final word on which memorial is deleted and which data will be 
retained in the remaining memorial page. There are some situations where an 
individual (usually a 'famous' individual) may have more than one memorial 
page, because their body was buried in one location but a cenotaph or second 
marker/memorial was also placed in a second location. If there are two memorial 
pages for the same individual, and one has an Other Burial designation 
(Cremation, Body Lost, burial at Sea, Donation, Non-Cemetery, or Unknown), and 
the other gives the location of a cenotaph or memorial marker, the memorial 
page with the Other Designation may be merged into the memorial page with a 
physical cenotaph stone or memorial location."


Sometimes memorials are merged; sometimes the duplicate is deleted. Some 
contributors are gracious; some are not.



CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Leonard J. McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 9:35 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group'
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?


I have had something like that happen also, when I even had the number, a 
different memorial come up. Then searched for the name, as I had it, and found 
the correct memorial, but it had the same number! So, two memorials, with the 
same number.



Sometimes memorials will be combined also. I think they choose the one with the 
most information, not the first one created. Leonard



­

_



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217 West 14th Street, Irving, Texas 75060-5903

972-254-7952

leon...@mccown.org -- http://www.mccown.org

People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward to

their ancestors. -- Edmund Burke, 1790

_





From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Ed Ladendorf
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 9:18 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?



I haven't seen this discussed, and I wondered if anyone else has experienced 
what I have. Probably 15 - 20 years ago, I entered a few memorials at FAG. 
While trying out the new V9, two of them were not found in the search at FAG. 
Thinking I probably had a typo or something, I double checked everything, but 
found no errors at all. Going to the FAG site, I searched for them. Sure 
enough, they showed up. But not searching from Legacy. Has anyone else seen the 
problem of searches coming up empty, when you know they exist?
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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[David Picken]

Sherry has drawn a red line and is telling me that I have crossed it by 
mentioning (not promoting, please) a non-Legacy product. I’m sorry about that 
and will try to stay behind the red line in future, although my expectations on 
a user group are certainly somewhat wider than described in the guidelines.

That post was written by me not to hype any other product, but purely to offer 
a possible solution for my fellow users who are not getting the performance 
they need from Legacy, based on my personal experience.

At the risk of being thrown off this list (on World Press Freedom Day of all 
days), just allow me please to mention that the archive of this user group has 
been discussing Unicode and Eastern European language support since at least 
2006, with intentions of porting the software to a platform that supports 
Unicode being given as answers back then and at several times in between.

So now we are 10 years on, support for Unicode did not happen with Legacy9, and 
I guess the move to support Unicode is still „imminent“.
Could it be that users with a serious requirement for Cyrillic, Asian, Middle 
Eastern etc. language support have long moved on to a different product?

Courteously, David


Am 20170503 um 15:06 schrieb Sherry <hot.rod.w...@gmail.com>:

This is a user's group for LEGACY and its add-on programs. This is stated in 
the second sentence of the Legacy User Group Guidelines at 
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp 
<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp> (the link is on the page where 
you signed up to join the group)

The group was not created to promote other programs or for questions about 
using other programs. It was created for those "how-to" questions when you 
can't find the answers or figure out something

The message about FTM (and your promo for AQ) should have gone off-list.

Think about it - if you were selling Coke products, would you like someone to 
be promoting Pepsi on your website or mailing list??

The programmers are busy programming and don't follow the lists like they used 
to. 

In the Support section of the Legacy Home tab, you can send Support questions 
for technical support and Suggestions for new features or enhancing existing 
ones. Use that form if you wish to suggest Unicode or some other new feature.


Sherry


On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 1:30 AM, David Picken <dpic...@web.de 
<mailto:dpic...@web.de>> wrote:
I support John’s way of thinking. This is a Users’ Group, not a promotion 
platform for Legacy.

What we all have in common – I assume – is our desire to do best possible 
genealogical research and conserve, present, share and publish the results in 
the best possible way. Legacy is just one tool to help us do that.

If the development staff follow this group (an exercise commonly known as 
marketing), they will find many clues as to how they could optimize Legacy, and 
if anyone sends people off to look at other products without justification, 
then the Legacy folks are free to tell us why we should stay with Legacy.

As for Unicode, those who need that may want to try AncestralQuest – it worked 
for me when importing Ukrainian (Cyrillic alphabet) names and places. And I am 
not associated with AQ in any way :-)

Best, David


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Re: [LegacyUG] New Find-a-Grave feature

[GORDON M TAYLOR]

Yes but he is still around

Get Outlook for Android



From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
geoda...@mwt.net 
Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 10:23:54 PM
To: Scott Hall; legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] New Find-a-Grave feature

I just remembered that a few years back a user named Dennis (Kowalski, I think) 
from Zipper Software created a program named “LTools” that allowed slightly 
more advanced users to do some pretty neat stuff to their legacy data file. 
However, I just checked, and his website states that LTools has been retired.
George

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: geoda...@mwt.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 11:16 PM
To: Scott Hall; 
legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] New Find-a-Grave feature

I, too, had approximately 2,400 FAG#’s in the User ID field and just finished 
cutting & pasting them all into the FAG ID field. Wasn’t very fun. Sure 
would’ve been nice if I’d had some kind of script or something to do the job 
for me. Oh, well.
George

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Scott Hall
Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 4:22 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] New Find-a-Grave feature

Hello ...
I am happy that v9 has a FAG data field and direct link to this well accepted 
and important genealogical tool.  For years I have been capturing FAG memorials 
in my Legacy file by copying the FAG memorial number into the UserID field.  
Now that there is a dedicated FAG memorial ID field, is there an easy way to 
mass copy the data from one field to the other?  I'd like to avoid retyping (or 
linking) every record connected to FAG in my file as there are over 4,500 
records with this data.
Thanks,
Scott


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Re: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?

[Leonard J. McCown]

I have had something like that happen also, when I even had the number, a 
different memorial come up. Then searched for the name, as I had it, and found 
the correct memorial, but it had the same number! So, two memorials, with the 
same number.

 

Sometimes memorials will be combined also. I think they choose the one with the 
most information, not the first one created. Leonard

 

­

_

 

Leonard J. McCown, Irving, Texas -- McCown Family History

217 West 14th Street, Irving, Texas 75060-5903

972-254-7952

  leon...@mccown.org --   
http://www.mccown.org

People will not look forward to posterity who never look backward to

their ancestors. -- Edmund Burke, 1790

_

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Ed Ladendorf
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 9:18 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?

 

I haven't seen this discussed, and I wondered if anyone else has experienced 
what I have. Probably 15 - 20 years ago, I entered a few memorials at FAG. 
While trying out the new V9, two of them were not found in the search at FAG. 
Thinking I probably had a typo or something, I double checked everything, but 
found no errors at all. Going to the FAG site, I searched for them. Sure 
enough, they showed up. But not searching from Legacy. Has anyone else seen the 
problem of searches coming up empty, when you know they exist?

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Re: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?

[Ian Macaulay]

Something is outawhack. Last night I searched from legacy for a known
FAG entry and nothing showed.  But then I went to FAG and used their search
by name and nothing showed.  So I called up the Cemetery listing and it was
not there, So then I used the FAG number in the FAG search and there it
was.  It was in the correct Cemetery (Which was Arlington, and so should
not have any errors ).  So All I can surmise is that the name has some
hidden character hiding in it or the system is broke.   I also tried the
cemetery search and then the subjects name from that.   It failed as well.
So from that I also assume that its not Legacy at fault. ( If there is
anyone from Ancestry  watching,  I can provide details.)

Ian


On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Ed Ladendorf  wrote:

> I haven't seen this discussed, and I wondered if anyone else has
> experienced what I have. Probably 15 - 20 years ago, I entered a few
> memorials at FAG. While trying out the new V9, two of them were not found
> in the search at FAG. Thinking I probably had a typo or something, I double
> checked everything, but found no errors at all. Going to the FAG site, I
> searched for them. Sure enough, they showed up. But not searching from
> Legacy. Has anyone else seen the problem of searches coming up empty, when
> you know they exist?
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?

[Ed Ladendorf]

Thanks for the reply, Bob. I considered that possibility, but there is
absolutely nothing different from what I have in Legacy and the FAG site. I
just checked it again. While I was there, I searched for Heinrich
Ladendorf, and Henry Ladendorf. The Heinrich entry matched what I had
entered on FAG. The search for Henry came up empty, unlike some other
sites' search engines. So that's something to be aware of.
Fwiw, others can be aware that a "no hits" doesn't necessarily mean there
is no memorial for the person in question.


On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Bob Austen  wrote:

> Hi Ed,
>
> I have experienced that too, but I attributed that to the name being
> somewhat different in my Legacy file – perhaps with a second name or
> initial.
>
>
>
> Bob Austen
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Ed Ladendorf
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 3, 2017 7:18 AM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
> *Subject:* [LegacyUG] FAG problem?
>
>
>
> I haven't seen this discussed, and I wondered if anyone else has
> experienced what I have. Probably 15 - 20 years ago, I entered a few
> memorials at FAG. While trying out the new V9, two of them were not found
> in the search at FAG. Thinking I probably had a typo or something, I double
> checked everything, but found no errors at all. Going to the FAG site, I
> searched for them. Sure enough, they showed up. But not searching from
> Legacy. Has anyone else seen the problem of searches coming up empty, when
> you know they exist?
>
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[Gary Schenck]

does anyone know how to get an legacy I cloud password??

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Re: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?

[Bob Austen]

Hi Ed,

I have experienced that too, but I attributed that to the name being somewhat 
different in my Legacy file – perhaps with a second name or initial.

 

Bob Austen

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Ed Ladendorf
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 7:18 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] FAG problem?

 

I haven't seen this discussed, and I wondered if anyone else has experienced 
what I have. Probably 15 - 20 years ago, I entered a few memorials at FAG. 
While trying out the new V9, two of them were not found in the search at FAG. 
Thinking I probably had a typo or something, I double checked everything, but 
found no errors at all. Going to the FAG site, I searched for them. Sure 
enough, they showed up. But not searching from Legacy. Has anyone else seen the 
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[LegacyUG] FAG problem?

[Ed Ladendorf]

I haven't seen this discussed, and I wondered if anyone else has
experienced what I have. Probably 15 - 20 years ago, I entered a few
memorials at FAG. While trying out the new V9, two of them were not found
in the search at FAG. Thinking I probably had a typo or something, I double
checked everything, but found no errors at all. Going to the FAG site, I
searched for them. Sure enough, they showed up. But not searching from
Legacy. Has anyone else seen the problem of searches coming up empty, when
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[LegacyUG] (no subject)

[Camille Santoro Ciesla]

! am having a problem
I have no info in my tree
I have a tree
They say I have no browser
What can I do?
Camille
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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[Sherry]

This is a user's group for LEGACY and its add-on programs. This is stated
in the second sentence of the Legacy User Group Guidelines at
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp (the link is on the page
where you signed up to join the group)

The group was not created to promote other programs or for questions about
using other programs. It was created for those "how-to" questions when you
can't find the answers or figure out something

The message about FTM (and your promo for AQ) should have gone off-list.

Think about it - if you were selling Coke products, would you like someone
to be promoting Pepsi on your website or mailing list??

The programmers are busy programming and don't follow the lists like they
used to.

In the Support section of the Legacy Home tab, you can send Support
questions for technical support and Suggestions for new features or
enhancing existing ones. Use that form if you wish to suggest Unicode or
some other new feature.


Sherry


On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 1:30 AM, David Picken  wrote:

> I support John’s way of thinking. This is a Users’ Group, not a promotion
> platform for Legacy.
>
> What we all have in common – I assume – is our desire to do best possible
> genealogical research and conserve, present, share and publish the results
> in the best possible way. Legacy is just one tool to help us do that.
>
> If the development staff follow this group (an exercise commonly known as
> marketing), they will find many clues as to how they could optimize Legacy,
> and if anyone sends people off to look at other products without
> justification, then the Legacy folks are free to tell us why we should stay
> with Legacy.
>
> As for Unicode, those who need that may want to try AncestralQuest – it
> worked for me when importing Ukrainian (Cyrillic alphabet) names and
> places. And I am not associated with AQ in any way :-)
>
> Best, David
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Find a Grave Options

[RogerC42--- via LegacyUserGroup]

The original message to the list is in the attachment.

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Thank you very much. Your help was greatly appreciated. 



-Original Message-
From: Cathy Pinner 
To: Legacy User Group 
Sent: Wed, May 3, 2017 1:04 am
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Find a Grave Options

Stop right clicking on it.

On the Quick Access Toolbar you click slightly to the side of the icon 
to get the full range of options.
On the Internet Ribbon Tab or My Toolbar you click on the bottom part of 
it to get the full range of options. Otherwise it goes straight to 
search for the current person.

Cathy

RogerC42--- via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
> When I first went to the find a grave icon on Legacy I was offered 
> three options: 1 - Search for the Current Person, 2- Make a list of 
> those who have a find a grave ID number and 3 - make a list of those 
> without a find a grave ID number. Now when I right click on the find a 
> grave icon I get two options: 1 - Show quick access toolbar below the 
> ribbon and 2 - Minimize the ribbon. How do I correct this?


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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[David Picken]

I support John’s way of thinking. This is a Users’ Group, not a promotion 
platform for Legacy.

What we all have in common – I assume – is our desire to do best possible 
genealogical research and conserve, present, share and publish the results in 
the best possible way. Legacy is just one tool to help us do that.

If the development staff follow this group (an exercise commonly known as 
marketing), they will find many clues as to how they could optimize Legacy, and 
if anyone sends people off to look at other products without justification, 
then the Legacy folks are free to tell us why we should stay with Legacy.

As for Unicode, those who need that may want to try AncestralQuest – it worked 
for me when importing Ukrainian (Cyrillic alphabet) names and places. And I am 
not associated with AQ in any way :-)

Best, David




Am 20170503 um 09:09 schrieb <johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au> 
<johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au>:

Bob,

I think many in the LUG, like me, use Legacy as their main program for building 
their family but also use other programs for the rare things Legacy cannot do. 
As you said, they all have limitations. At the end of the day, all programs are 
merely tools to be used how we want for our own purposes. A mechanic does not 
limit his toolbox to  only one spanner or one screw driver. For my needs, 
Legacy would be as close as possible to perfect, if it had Unicode. 
Unfortunately, just before publishing anything, I need to export my family file 
to RootsMagic. It is not as versatile as Legacy and its interface / screens are 
hard for me to use due to my dyslexia.

If Legacy does everything you want, you are very lucky but please do stop other 
users from helping each other to keep using Legacy by suggesting ways around 
its limitations. Legacy itself advertises supplementary tools such as charting 
and mapping software.

John

 
From: bobstree2 <mailto:bobstr...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 4:29 PM
To: Legacy User Group <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events
 
I'm just a user but find it very rude for people to use Legacy's free forum to 
recommend or suggest using other programs.  I think you should find another 
platform to do that.   Even a dog does not drop his dirt where he eats. 
 
We are here because we want to learn and teach one another how to use Legacy 
more effectively.  We are committed to the program despite it's minor things 
that don't match our ideal.  But all programs have those issues. You will never 
find the perfect product.  So, if you think another program is for you,  then 
please leave the forum and broadcast your favorite program on another forum.   
Stop disrespecting Legacy and it's family of users.
 
 
 
 
 
 Original message 
From: johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
Date: 5/3/17 2:01 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: Legacy User Group <legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events
 
Izhak,

Family Tree Maker 2017 may have what you want. It is overdue for release 
(release was delayed due to bugs). I have never used it so I do not know if it 
would suit you. Perhaps others in the Legacy User Group can tell you. My 
impression is that it is very versatile. Like you, I really like Legacy but it 
does not have a feature which is very important to me- Unicode. Unfortunately 
for me FTM does not have Unicode either. Maybe you will have better luck.

My understanding is FTM is now fully owned by mackiev.com and independent from 
ancestry.com. These links give some information about it.

https://support.mackiev.com/ <>
https://www.ancestry.com/academy/course/family-tree-maker <>
John

 
From: Itzhak Epstein <mailto:ie...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:40 PM
To: Legacy User Group <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events
 
Cathy,

Yes.  I am not so proficient in Legacy nomenclature.  I fully understood why 
baptism and burial for which there may be documentation are reasonable 
surrogates for birth and death respectively.

As for my aside about "cause of death", I was surprised by the fifth default 
item in the family view screen.  Why is it so important?  BTW:  RootsMagic 
includes this item (also burial but not christening) in its default 
customizable data entry screen.

It would have been nice if upon the establishment of a new Legacy family file, 
we could be given suggested defaults and an immediate opportunity to substitute 
events.  Yes.  I already know about the issue of reports' templates.  

I mentioned my concerns to Legacy but they did not deem it a priority.

I am looking for a genealogy database program to recommend to collaborating 
relatives. The Master Genealogist, my own primary program, is not suitable.  
Legacy is my primary candidate but  I am still reluctant to recommend it.

Itzhak



At 01:14 AM 5/2/2017, you wrote:
> 

Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[johnbernacki1]

Bob,

I think many in the LUG, like me, use Legacy as their main program for building 
their family but also use other programs for the rare things Legacy cannot do. 
As you said, they all have limitations. At the end of the day, all programs are 
merely tools to be used how we want for our own purposes. A mechanic does not 
limit his toolbox to only one spanner or one screw driver. For my needs, Legacy 
would be as close as possible to perfect, if it had Unicode. Unfortunately, 
just before publishing anything, I need to export my family file to RootsMagic. 
It is not as versatile as Legacy and its interface / screens are hard for me to 
use due to my dyslexia.

If Legacy does everything you want, you are very lucky but please do stop other 
users from helping each other to keep using Legacy by suggesting ways around 
its limitations. Legacy itself advertises supplementary tools such as charting 
and mapping software.

John


From: bobstree2 
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 4:29 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

I'm just a user but find it very rude for people to use Legacy's free forum to 
recommend or suggest using other programs.  I think you should find another 
platform to do that.   Even a dog does not drop his dirt where he eats.  

We are here because we want to learn and teach one another how to use Legacy 
more effectively.  We are committed to the program despite it's minor things 
that don't match our ideal.  But all programs have those issues. You will never 
find the perfect product.  So, if you think another program is for you,  then 
please leave the forum and broadcast your favorite program on another forum.   
Stop disrespecting Legacy and it's family of users. 





 Original message 
From: johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au 
Date: 5/3/17 2:01 AM (GMT-05:00) 
To: Legacy User Group  
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events 

Izhak,

Family Tree Maker 2017 may have what you want. It is overdue for release 
(release was delayed due to bugs). I have never used it so I do not know if it 
would suit you. Perhaps others in the Legacy User Group can tell you. My 
impression is that it is very versatile. Like you, I really like Legacy but it 
does not have a feature which is very important to me- Unicode. Unfortunately 
for me FTM does not have Unicode either. Maybe you will have better luck.

My understanding is FTM is now fully owned by mackiev.com and independent from 
ancestry.com. These links give some information about it.

https://support.mackiev.com/

https://www.ancestry.com/academy/course/family-tree-maker 

John


From: Itzhak Epstein 
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:40 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

Cathy,

Yes.  I am not so proficient in Legacy nomenclature.  I fully understood why 
baptism and burial for which there may be documentation are reasonable 
surrogates for birth and death respectively.

As for my aside about "cause of death", I was surprised by the fifth default 
item in the family view screen.  Why is it so important?  BTW:  RootsMagic 
includes this item (also burial but not christening) in its default 
customizable data entry screen.

It would have been nice if upon the establishment of a new Legacy family file, 
we could be given suggested defaults and an immediate opportunity to substitute 
events.  Yes.  I already know about the issue of reports' templates.  

I mentioned my concerns to Legacy but they did not deem it a priority.

I am looking for a genealogy database program to recommend to collaborating 
relatives. The Master Genealogist, my own primary program, is not suitable.  
Legacy is my primary candidate but  I am still reluctant to recommend it.

Itzhak



At 01:14 AM 5/2/2017, you wrote:

  Itzhak,

  You are confusing the Family View screen which you can customise as you have, 
with the Individual Information screen.

  The Family View screen is just a display of your data.

  The Individual Information screen is where you enter the data.
  Note to enter Cause of Death you have to open the Notes icon and choose the 
Medical tab. It doesn't have a data entry field on the Individual Information 
screen.

  Yes it takes more clicks or keyboard shortcuts to enter Occupation, Residence 
and Immigration. 
  There can be multiple events for all of those taking them out of Events/Facts 
wouldn't be particularly helpful to most people.
  Where they are, you have a lot of control how they are used.
  People do not have that control over the "vital events" of birth, 
baptism/christening, death and buried.

  For my research the christening and buried fields are as important as the 
birth and death fields for earlier generations as they are the dates that were 
recorded. I will never know the birth or death dates of many people because 
they weren't recorded anywhere. I know that shows a Western/Christian bias. 

  So I 

Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[bobstree2]

I'm just a user but find it very rude for people to use Legacy's free forum to 
recommend or suggest using other programs.  I think you should find another 
platform to do that.   Even a dog does not drop his dirt where he eats.  
We are here because we want to learn and teach one another how to use Legacy 
more effectively.  We are committed to the program despite it's minor things 
that don't match our ideal.  But all programs have those issues. You will never 
find the perfect product.  So, if you think another program is for you,  then 
please leave the forum and broadcast your favorite program on another forum.   
Stop disrespecting Legacy and it's family of users. 




 Original message From: johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au Date: 
5/3/17  2:01 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: Legacy User Group 
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default 
Events 



Izhak,
Family Tree Maker 2017 
may have what you want. It is overdue for release (release was delayed due to 
bugs). I have never used it so I do not know if it would suit you. Perhaps 
others in the Legacy User Group can tell you. My impression is that it is very 
versatile. Like you, I really like Legacy but it does not have a feature which 
is very important to me- Unicode. Unfortunately for me FTM does not have 
Unicode 
either. Maybe you will have better luck.
My understanding is FTM 
is now fully owned by mackiev.com and independent from ancestry.com. These 
links 
give some information about it.
https://support.mackiev.com/
https://www.ancestry.com/academy/course/family-tree-maker 
John


 

From: Itzhak Epstein 
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:40 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events
 
Cathy,

Yes.  
I am not so proficient in Legacy nomenclature.  I fully understood why 
baptism and burial for which there may be documentation are reasonable 
surrogates for birth and death respectively.

As for my aside about "cause 
of death", I was surprised by the fifth default item in the family view 
screen.  Why is it so important?  BTW:  RootsMagic includes this 
item (also burial but not christening) in its default customizable data entry 
screen.

It would have been nice if upon the establishment of a new Legacy 
family file, we could be given suggested defaults and an immediate opportunity 
to substitute events.  Yes.  I already know about the issue of 
reports' templates.  

I mentioned my concerns to Legacy but they did 
not deem it a priority.

I am looking for a genealogy database program to 
recommend to collaborating relatives. The Master Genealogist, my own primary 
program, is not suitable.  Legacy is my primary candidate but  I am 
still reluctant to recommend it.

Itzhak



At 01:14 AM 
5/2/2017, you wrote:

Itzhak,

You are confusing 
  the Family View screen which you can customise as you have, with the 
  Individual Information screen.

The Family View screen is just a display 
  of your data.

The Individual Information screen is where you enter the 
  data.
Note to enter Cause of Death you have to open the Notes icon and 
  choose the Medical tab. It doesn't have a data entry field on the Individual 
  Information screen.

Yes it takes more clicks or keyboard shortcuts to 
  enter Occupation, Residence and Immigration. 
There can be multiple events 
  for all of those taking them out of Events/Facts wouldn't be particularly 
  helpful to most people.
Where they are, you have a lot of control how they 
  are used.
People do not have that control over the "vital events" of birth, 
  baptism/christening, death and buried.

For my research the christening 
  and buried fields are as important as the birth and death fields for earlier 
  generations as they are the dates that were recorded. I will never know the 
  birth or death dates of many people because they weren't recorded anywhere. I 
  know that shows a Western/Christian bias. 

So I support the option to 
  be able to define which birth alternative/equivalent field is used so that 
  people from other cultures some use it.

Cathy

Itzhak Epstein 
  wrote:

  
My individual information 
screen is already configured to show born, 
died, residence, occupation, 
immigration.

Then, when I try to add a relative, I can easily baptize 
and bury 
her/him. If I want to indicate immigration, occupation or 
residence 
the event's entry screen can be found with a click and few 
additional 
key strokes.

People are born and they die. Some are 
baptized and buried, but other 
events may be more significant to the 
researcher or in her/his culture.

I still do not understand why cause 
of death was given such prominent 
billing in the individual information 
screen.

Itzhak


At 12:20 PM 5/1/2017, you wrote:


On 01 May 2017 15:38, Bob 
  Austen wrote:

  
Maybe I am missing your 
point…

You can change ‘Christened’ to another one of many 
choices, including

Re: [LegacyUG] Descendant chart

[Cathy Pinner]

Mike,

This has been fixed in the beta released today. At least you can 
suppress Invisible people but the setting is not sticky so I've given 
further feedback on that.

The fix will be in the next update for everyone. Soon is the best 
estimate for when it will be released.

Cathy




 
   	Michael FeldmanTuesday,
 2 May 2017 1:50 PM
  




Thank you, Cathy! I hope to
hear something soon!
Mike


On
May 1, 2017 10:08:14 PM Cathy Pinner  wrote:


  
 
   	Cathy PinnerTuesday,
 2 May 2017 1:07 PM
  Michael,

It's a while since I tested Charting and don't recall seeing this 
earlier but it's certainly there now.

I've entered a bug report and marked it urgent.

Cathy

Michael Feldman wrote:
  
 
   	Michael FeldmanTuesday,
 2 May 2017 3:53 AM
  Jenny, Cathy, et al

(grumble) So I upgraded to version 9. The free upgrade only applied 
if I'd 
purchased version 8 after 11/25/16. I purchased 8 two weeks earlier, on 
11/10. I 
wrote Sales, which rejected my request for the free upgrade. So I paid 
for 
version 9.

Ah, the wonders of software. Fix something (or add a feature), break
 something else.

OK, the date-format option you mention below now works nicely.

HOWEVER, the version 8 suppress-invisible-people option does not 
appear to work 
now in version 9. Checking that box when creating a descendant chart 
seems to 
have no effect -- the "invisible" person is still visible on the chart. 
This 
looks like a bug. Or have I missed something?

(grumble) At this point, except for that date-format option (which I
 can live 
without), I was fine with version 8. So I seem to have wasted time and 
money 
going to 9. Irritating.

Best,
Mike




 
   	Jenny M BensonSunday,
 30 April 2017 5:05 PM
  
Sorry, Mike (and anyone else who might have been confused).  When I 
gave 
these directions I should have said that I am now using Legacy 9 and 
didn't know if that option was available in earlier versions.






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Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

[johnbernacki1]

Izhak,

Family Tree Maker 2017 may have what you want. It is overdue for release 
(release was delayed due to bugs). I have never used it so I do not know if it 
would suit you. Perhaps others in the Legacy User Group can tell you. My 
impression is that it is very versatile. Like you, I really like Legacy but it 
does not have a feature which is very important to me- Unicode. Unfortunately 
for me FTM does not have Unicode either. Maybe you will have better luck.

My understanding is FTM is now fully owned by mackiev.com and independent from 
ancestry.com. These links give some information about it.

https://support.mackiev.com/

https://www.ancestry.com/academy/course/family-tree-maker 

John


From: Itzhak Epstein 
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 2:40 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Data Entry Default Events

Cathy,

Yes.  I am not so proficient in Legacy nomenclature.  I fully understood why 
baptism and burial for which there may be documentation are reasonable 
surrogates for birth and death respectively.

As for my aside about "cause of death", I was surprised by the fifth default 
item in the family view screen.  Why is it so important?  BTW:  RootsMagic 
includes this item (also burial but not christening) in its default 
customizable data entry screen.

It would have been nice if upon the establishment of a new Legacy family file, 
we could be given suggested defaults and an immediate opportunity to substitute 
events.  Yes.  I already know about the issue of reports' templates.  

I mentioned my concerns to Legacy but they did not deem it a priority.

I am looking for a genealogy database program to recommend to collaborating 
relatives. The Master Genealogist, my own primary program, is not suitable.  
Legacy is my primary candidate but  I am still reluctant to recommend it.

Itzhak



At 01:14 AM 5/2/2017, you wrote:

  Itzhak,

  You are confusing the Family View screen which you can customise as you have, 
with the Individual Information screen.

  The Family View screen is just a display of your data.

  The Individual Information screen is where you enter the data.
  Note to enter Cause of Death you have to open the Notes icon and choose the 
Medical tab. It doesn't have a data entry field on the Individual Information 
screen.

  Yes it takes more clicks or keyboard shortcuts to enter Occupation, Residence 
and Immigration. 
  There can be multiple events for all of those taking them out of Events/Facts 
wouldn't be particularly helpful to most people.
  Where they are, you have a lot of control how they are used.
  People do not have that control over the "vital events" of birth, 
baptism/christening, death and buried.

  For my research the christening and buried fields are as important as the 
birth and death fields for earlier generations as they are the dates that were 
recorded. I will never know the birth or death dates of many people because 
they weren't recorded anywhere. I know that shows a Western/Christian bias. 

  So I support the option to be able to define which birth 
alternative/equivalent field is used so that people from other cultures some 
use it.

  Cathy

  Itzhak Epstein wrote:


My individual information screen is already configured to show born, 
died, residence, occupation, immigration.

Then, when I try to add a relative, I can easily baptize and bury 
her/him. If I want to indicate immigration, occupation or residence 
the event's entry screen can be found with a click and few additional 
key strokes.

People are born and they die. Some are baptized and buried, but other 
events may be more significant to the researcher or in her/his culture.

I still do not understand why cause of death was given such prominent 
billing in the individual information screen.

Itzhak


At 12:20 PM 5/1/2017, you wrote:


  On 01 May 2017 15:38, Bob Austen wrote:


Maybe I am missing your point…

You can change ‘Christened’ to another one of many choices, 
including
‘Occupation’.

By clicking on the ‘event title’ brings up a screen where you can
‘Customize Family View Information’. Then clicking on the box with 
the
three dots in it you can change the event to one of many.


  I think that what Itzhak is talking about is on the Individual's 
  Information screen, where he wants the option of replacing the Born, 
  Chr/Bap, Died and Buried dates/locations with other events that are 
  more relevant to him and his research. Can't see it happening: people are 
born, they live and die. What other Vital events can there be?

  -- 
  Regards
  Mike Fry (Jhb)

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