Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Chris Hill]

Hi John

I quite agree, Legacy will be stuck with ANSI until they rewrite it. 
Given that there is also pressure, from its users, for a Mac version, 
and presumably a Linux version, they have a need to develop a new 
program and database that is multi-OS compatible. Hopefully, with the 
support from MyHeritage, this will happen, but MH also owns Family Tree 
Builder so it might put pressure on merging with it.


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "John Cardinal" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 27/11/2019 14:26:14
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy


Chris,



During my 41-year career I've been a software developer, software 
architect, and CTO, including a five-year period where my team 
developed commercial applications in VB6. Since 1999 I've had a couple 
of side-project applications implemented in VB6. My focus now is .NET. 
As discussed on the site you mentioned and others, there are challenges 
to implementing Unicode-aware VB6 applications. Other sites describe 
how to meet those challenges. A couple techniques we used were 
Unicode-aware component packages and TLBs for access to wide-character 
functions. Perhaps the technology infrastructure Legacy uses has an 
ANSI-only component baked-in and switching it out would require a 
rewrite-level effort. If so, they'd never rewrite in VB6 now so the 
effective result is "we can't support Unicode until we abandon VB6".




John
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Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[John Cardinal]

Chris,

 

During my 41-year career I've been a software developer, software architect, 
and CTO, including a five-year period where my team developed commercial 
applications in VB6. Since 1999 I've had a couple of side-project applications 
implemented in VB6. My focus now is .NET. As discussed on the site you 
mentioned and others, there are challenges to implementing Unicode-aware VB6 
applications. Other sites describe how to meet those challenges. A couple 
techniques we used were Unicode-aware component packages and TLBs for access to 
wide-character functions. Perhaps the technology infrastructure Legacy uses has 
an ANSI-only component baked-in and switching it out would require a 
rewrite-level effort. If so, they'd never rewrite in VB6 now so the effective 
result is "we can't support Unicode until we abandon VB6".

 

John

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Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Chris Hill]

Hi John

I will accept that in my 50 years experience as a developer, IT Manager 
and consultant I never had the need to use VB6. Therefore I was equally 
puzzled by the limitations that the Legacy developers seem to have 
applied, given that by the late 1990s Unicode support was becoming 
common. So I did a web search for 'VB 6 Unicode' and found this website 
at VBForums:


http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.php?365738-Classic-VB-Does-Visual-Basic-6-support-Unicode

Note that the initial entry, in 17 Jun 2008, explicitly refers to the 
conversion of 16-bit characters (aka Unicode) to ANSI in API interfaces 
and file saves. It then extends to discuss the development of Unicode 
based API extensions and the use of code sets. There are then a number 
of later posts regarding methods to implement Unicode in VB6.


If we believe this, and I have no reason not to, it would appear that 
the Legacy developers were limited to the ANSI character set, unless 
they were prepared to develop or acquire Unicode based APIs and 
interfaces.


This has been an issue with Legacy for many years and even the Legacy 
support staff agree that they are limited to ANSI.


___

Hi Otto

I am running the latest version of Legacy, 9.0.0.332, on a 64-bit Win 10 
system using the English (United Kingdom) display language - which 
version are you running with.


If I create a new person and enter into his name fields via the Alt+ 
sequence in the range Alt+0032 to Alt+0255 then Legacy will accept then 
into the field on the display, excluding later checks that Legacy might 
want to apply if I Save the record. However, if I continue with 
Alt+0256, Alt+0257  onwards, then the additional characters are not 
included in the fields, and usually respond with a beep. Hence, those 
fields are limited to the ANSI character set.


Equally, if I create a new event and then type into the Notes field, 
then I can happily ENTER additional characters, thus I can ENTER and 
have DISPLAYED the following,


Alt-0250 to Alt-0255 : úûüýþÿ - this is the Unicode set for u with 
Acute, Circumfles and Diaeresis, y with Acute, lower case Thorn and y 
with Diaeresis


Alt-0256 onwards, using Copy from Character map : ĀāĂ㥹ĆćĈĉĊċČč - some 
of these do not work using the Alt- format, these are the upper and 
lower case pairs of A with Macron, Breve and Ogonek, and C with Acute, 
Circumflex, Dot Above and Caron.


So, text fields will accept, as input, characters past the ANSI set, 
while control fields will not, or will convert them to ?. That is good 
UNTIL you want to save the data. Do that and then open the event - ALL 
of the characters after Alt-0255 are missing, so it will ONLY save 
within the ANSI set.


Also, if you refer to the Special Character set, click on the solid 
square at the top of the bar to the left of the Notes field in the 
Event, and you will see a list of the characters that Legacy will accept 
- this should be a match to the Alt-0032 to Alt-0256 set from the 
Windows Character Map. As far as I can tell it does, but my version of 
Char Map misses U+007F through U+009F if set to Unicode, and does show 
them if set to Windows:Western with exceptions.


This points us to the question of code sets, which were designed in the 
1980s to enable different glyphs to be used for characters in the 
Alt-0128 to Alt-0255 range to be used to cover multiple alphabets using 
the same character code to represent different glyphs. Good, so long as 
you only work within a single code set, and difficult if not unless you 
can deal with changing the code set on the fly. Of course, Unicode was 
the solution for that, enabling the extension of the character set from 
8-bits to 16- and 32-bits, so long as the programmer KNEW which version 
was in use - there were multiple versions in the early days.


Now, Otto, I see from your response below that you seem to be based in 
Finland. If I convert my Character Map to show the Windows:Central 
Europe set I can see that the character set for the range from Alt-0128 
onwards is different, and includes the C with Acute, Cedilla and Caron 
marks. Within the Western set only the version with Cedilla is present - 
C with Acute becomes the Æ glyph ( a combined AE glyph) and the C with 
Caron becomes the È glyph (E with Grave). In Unicode all of the C with 
Acute, Circumflex, Dot Above and Caron glyphs are in the range U+0106 to 
U+010D and outside of the ANSI set within a Western code set.


___

All of this indicates that Legacy was developed in the 1990s, within 
America, with the traditional mindset of ANSI and the Western Europe 
code set, and perhaps supports different code sets if you change the 
default language set, and has never been extended to support Unicode.


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Otso Havu" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 27/11/2019 01:00:15
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy


Legacy accepts Unicode

Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Otso Havu]

Legacy accepts Unicode from Win CharMap eg. in the Notes field, i just tried

ke 27. marrask. 2019 klo 1.48 John Cardinal (jfcardi...@gmail.com) kirjoitti:
>
> Chris Hill wrote:
>
> > NO, the issue is that native VB6 only uses API interfaces
>
> > that are limited to ANSI.
>
>
>
> Chris,
>
>
>
> That's not true. I've built a dozen or so commercial programs in VB6 that 
> read/write/manipulate Unicode data, including reading and writing UTF-8 
> files, presenting data entry screens, running reports, etc. A few are still 
> being used. Perhaps there are old third-party components that are not 
> Unicode-aware, but VB6 was certainly not limited to ANSI, API or otherwise. 
> VB^ used in MS Access? I have only done some light scripting there so I don't 
> know what issue Unicode may have presented there.
>
>
> The string type in VB6 used "wide" characters (as they were called then), 
> 16-bits each. It's true that one had to be careful when calling Windows APIs 
> directly and call the correct "W" methods. Calling Windows APIs directly was 
> probably less than 15% of the code in my applications. To write a UTF-8 file, 
> one had to use the "binary" version of the Open File statement ("Open 
> FileSpec For Binary Access Write …") and then convert the chars to UTF-8 
> before using the PUT call to write the text, but any reasonably-accomplished 
> VB6 programmer knew how to do that. The details escape me, but using binary 
> I/O may only have been necessary when low-level control was required, such as 
> reading/writing the Byte-Order-Mark (BOM).
>
>
>
> Of course, VB6 was very easy to use and so there were a lot of junior-level 
> programmers who may have been flummoxed by working with Unicode, but that's 
> not the fault of VB6.
>
>
>
> John
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[John Cardinal]

Chris Hill wrote:

> NO, the issue is that native VB6 only uses API interfaces

> that are limited to ANSI.

 

Chris,

 

That's not true. I've built a dozen or so commercial programs in VB6 that 
read/write/manipulate Unicode data, including reading and writing UTF-8 files, 
presenting data entry screens, running reports, etc. A few are still being 
used. Perhaps there are old third-party components that are not Unicode-aware, 
but VB6 was certainly not limited to ANSI, API or otherwise. VB^ used in MS 
Access? I have only done some light scripting there so I don't know what issue 
Unicode may have presented there.


The string type in VB6 used "wide" characters (as they were called then), 
16-bits each. It's true that one had to be careful when calling Windows APIs 
directly and call the correct "W" methods. Calling Windows APIs directly was 
probably less than 15% of the code in my applications. To write a UTF-8 file, 
one had to use the "binary" version of the Open File statement ("Open FileSpec 
For Binary Access Write …") and then convert the chars to UTF-8 before using 
the PUT call to write the text, but any reasonably-accomplished VB6 programmer 
knew how to do that. The details escape me, but using binary I/O may only have 
been necessary when low-level control was required, such as reading/writing the 
Byte-Order-Mark (BOM).

 

Of course, VB6 was very easy to use and so there were a lot of junior-level 
programmers who may have been flummoxed by working with Unicode, but that's not 
the fault of VB6.

 

John

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Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Chris Hill]

In theory they are separate businesses, but hopefully MH would help or
provide development resources.

The question is how that would impact on the Legacy product and in which
way.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, 22:35 Benjamin Woznick,  wrote:

> Interesting. And how does this all fit with the very internationally
> oriented owner MyHeritage?
>
> Ben
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup  *On
> Behalf Of *Chris Hill
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2019 4:19 PM
> *To:* Legacy User Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
>
>
>
> Very nice for modern software, but Legacy is basically 20 years old and
> based on VB6 which dates from 1998.
>
> What we need us for Legacy to be rewritten to current standards.
>
> Regards
>
> Chris
>
> From my Motorola G6+
>
>
>
> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, 20:00 Otso Havu,  wrote:
>
> I tested RootsMagic and Ancestral Quest. Those accept Unicode names.¨
>
> How to help using Special characters ::: Allow Unicode just in
> Alternate Names  ?!
>
> ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 21.23 Chris Hill
> (chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com) kirjoitti:
> >
> > That does not work.
> >
> > Yes, it will happily put an extended character WITHIN a Notes field on
> > an event, but will not accept them into a name or location etc. But then
> > save the event and reopen it, and the characters have disappeared.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: "Otso Havu" 
> > To: "Legacy User Group" 
> > Sent: 26/11/2019 18:52:46
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> >
> > >Windows Character Map contains also the key combinations to type these
> > >special characters.
> > >See Char-map bottom line
> > >č  contains U+010D
> > >Press and hold down the ALT key while you type the four number Unicode
> > >value for the character. Note that NUM LOCK must be on, and you have
> > >to use the number pad keys to type the Unicode character value.
> > >
> > >ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 20.25 Otso Havu (otso.h...@gmail.com)
> kirjoitti:
> > >>
> > >>  Do not use Word, use Wordpad instead.
> > >>  Word  contains plenty of control codes that may look bizarre
> > >>
> > >>  ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 19.09 Andrew Robbie
> > >>  (andrew.rob...@comcast.net) kirjoitti:
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Ah, not good.  Did you log a bug?
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > From: LegacyUserGroup 
> On Behalf Of johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
> > >>  > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 10:17 PM
> > >>  > To: 'Legacy User Group' 
> > >>  > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Pasting from MS Word works until you save it. Then the Eastern
> European special characters turn into bizarre symbols.
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > John
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > From: Andrew Robbie
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:37 PM
> > >>  >
> > >>  > To: 'Legacy User Group'
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > You can always copy/paste from something like MS Word that
> supports inserting special characters.
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Or the ‘Alt’ + numeric keypad short cut should work directly into
> Legacy…
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > A
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > From: LegacyUserGroup 
> On Behalf Of Jon M
> > >>  > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 8:38 PM
> > >>  > To: Legacy User Group 
> > >>  > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Thanks Ian and Otso,
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Trying the character map within W

Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Benjamin Woznick]

Interesting. And how does this all fit with the very internationally oriented 
owner MyHeritage?

Ben 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Chris Hill
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 4:19 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

 

Very nice for modern software, but Legacy is basically 20 years old and based 
on VB6 which dates from 1998.

What we need us for Legacy to be rewritten to current standards.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

 

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, 20:00 Otso Havu, mailto:otso.h...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I tested RootsMagic and Ancestral Quest. Those accept Unicode names.¨

How to help using Special characters ::: Allow Unicode just in
Alternate Names  ?!

ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 21.23 Chris Hill
(chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com <mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com> ) kirjoitti:
>
> That does not work.
>
> Yes, it will happily put an extended character WITHIN a Notes field on
> an event, but will not accept them into a name or location etc. But then
> save the event and reopen it, and the characters have disappeared.
>
> Regards
>
> Chris
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Otso Havu" mailto:otso.h...@gmail.com> >
> To: "Legacy User Group"  <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> >
> Sent: 26/11/2019 18:52:46
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
>
> >Windows Character Map contains also the key combinations to type these
> >special characters.
> >See Char-map bottom line
> >č  contains U+010D
> >Press and hold down the ALT key while you type the four number Unicode
> >value for the character. Note that NUM LOCK must be on, and you have
> >to use the number pad keys to type the Unicode character value.
> >
> >ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 20.25 Otso Havu (otso.h...@gmail.com 
> ><mailto:otso.h...@gmail.com> ) kirjoitti:
> >>
> >>  Do not use Word, use Wordpad instead.
> >>  Word  contains plenty of control codes that may look bizarre
> >>
> >>  ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 19.09 Andrew Robbie
> >>  (andrew.rob...@comcast.net <mailto:andrew.rob...@comcast.net> ) kirjoitti:
> >>  >
> >>  > Ah, not good.  Did you log a bug?
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > From: LegacyUserGroup  >> <mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> > On Behalf Of 
> >> johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au <mailto:johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au> 
> >>  > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 10:17 PM
> >>  > To: 'Legacy User Group'  >> <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> >
> >>  > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > Pasting from MS Word works until you save it. Then the Eastern European 
> >> special characters turn into bizarre symbols.
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > John
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > From: Andrew Robbie
> >>  >
> >>  > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:37 PM
> >>  >
> >>  > To: 'Legacy User Group'
> >>  >
> >>  > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > You can always copy/paste from something like MS Word that supports 
> >> inserting special characters.
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > Or the ‘Alt’ + numeric keypad short cut should work directly into 
> >> Legacy…
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > A
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > From: LegacyUserGroup  >> <mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> > On Behalf Of Jon M
> >>  > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 8:38 PM
> >>  > To: Legacy User Group  >> <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> >
> >>  > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > Thanks Ian and Otso,
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > Trying the character map within Windows 10 does not work. I tried. 
> >> Thank you both for the suggestions.
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > Cheers, Jon
> >>  >
> >>  > (Sent from a mobile device)
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
&g

Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Chris Hill]

Very nice for modern software, but Legacy is basically 20 years old and
based on VB6 which dates from 1998.

What we need us for Legacy to be rewritten to current standards.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, 20:00 Otso Havu,  wrote:

> I tested RootsMagic and Ancestral Quest. Those accept Unicode names.¨
>
> How to help using Special characters ::: Allow Unicode just in
> Alternate Names  ?!
>
> ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 21.23 Chris Hill
> (chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com) kirjoitti:
> >
> > That does not work.
> >
> > Yes, it will happily put an extended character WITHIN a Notes field on
> > an event, but will not accept them into a name or location etc. But then
> > save the event and reopen it, and the characters have disappeared.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: "Otso Havu" 
> > To: "Legacy User Group" 
> > Sent: 26/11/2019 18:52:46
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> >
> > >Windows Character Map contains also the key combinations to type these
> > >special characters.
> > >See Char-map bottom line
> > >č  contains U+010D
> > >Press and hold down the ALT key while you type the four number Unicode
> > >value for the character. Note that NUM LOCK must be on, and you have
> > >to use the number pad keys to type the Unicode character value.
> > >
> > >ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 20.25 Otso Havu (otso.h...@gmail.com)
> kirjoitti:
> > >>
> > >>  Do not use Word, use Wordpad instead.
> > >>  Word  contains plenty of control codes that may look bizarre
> > >>
> > >>  ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 19.09 Andrew Robbie
> > >>  (andrew.rob...@comcast.net) kirjoitti:
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Ah, not good.  Did you log a bug?
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > From: LegacyUserGroup 
> On Behalf Of johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
> > >>  > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 10:17 PM
> > >>  > To: 'Legacy User Group' 
> > >>  > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Pasting from MS Word works until you save it. Then the Eastern
> European special characters turn into bizarre symbols.
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > John
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > From: Andrew Robbie
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:37 PM
> > >>  >
> > >>  > To: 'Legacy User Group'
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > You can always copy/paste from something like MS Word that
> supports inserting special characters.
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Or the ‘Alt’ + numeric keypad short cut should work directly into
> Legacy…
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > A
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > From: LegacyUserGroup 
> On Behalf Of Jon M
> > >>  > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 8:38 PM
> > >>  > To: Legacy User Group 
> > >>  > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Thanks Ian and Otso,
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Trying the character map within Windows 10 does not work. I tried.
> Thank you both for the suggestions.
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Cheers, Jon
> > >>  >
> > >>  > (Sent from a mobile device)
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 5:29 PM Ian Thomas 
> wrote:
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Possibly the Windows Accessories group, then 2nd item in the list,
> Windows Character Map (for Windows 10, English language)
> > >>  >
> > >>  > I.L. Thomas
> > >>  > Victoria Park, Western Australia
> > >>  >
> &g

Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Chris Hill]

NO, the issue is that native VB6 only uses API interfaces that are limited
to ANSI.

The underlaying database is MS Access, which natively supports Unicode, so
I assume that the interfaces within VB are where they are limited to ANSI.

Yes, there are methods to use Unicode with VB but that seems not to be used
within Legacy, and they would need to develop an Unicode version of API to
Access.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, 20:28 John Cardinal,  wrote:

> Chris,
>
>
>
> It's easy to support 16-bit Unicode characters in VB6. There are a few
> places where a program has to be careful to use the "W" version of a
> Windows API call (not the "A" version), but that's a well-understood issue
> and unlikely to be a significant problem. The 16-bit subset of Unicode
> covers every character anyone reading this message cares about, but is not
> the full set of Unicode characters.
>
>
>
> So, if VB6 is not the issue, what is? My guess is that the database layer
> in Legacy uses FoxPro or some other database component that uses 8-bit
> characters and the old Windows "code page" approach to character encoding.
> If so, that's where the limitation lies.
>
>
>
> John
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Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[John Cardinal]

Chris,

 

It's easy to support 16-bit Unicode characters in VB6. There are a few places 
where a program has to be careful to use the "W" version of a Windows API call 
(not the "A" version), but that's a well-understood issue and unlikely to be a 
significant problem. The 16-bit subset of Unicode covers every character anyone 
reading this message cares about, but is not the full set of Unicode characters.

 

So, if VB6 is not the issue, what is? My guess is that the database layer in 
Legacy uses FoxPro or some other database component that uses 8-bit characters 
and the old Windows "code page" approach to character encoding. If so, that's 
where the limitation lies.

 

John

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Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Michele Lewis]

Legacy will not be able to handle Unicode characters until Legacy is
transferred over to a new programming language/platform and built from the
ground up.

Michele Lewis

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 15:00 Otso Havu  wrote:

> I tested RootsMagic and Ancestral Quest. Those accept Unicode names.¨
>
> How to help using Special characters ::: Allow Unicode just in
> Alternate Names  ?!
>
> ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 21.23 Chris Hill
> (chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com) kirjoitti:
> >
> > That does not work.
> >
> > Yes, it will happily put an extended character WITHIN a Notes field on
> > an event, but will not accept them into a name or location etc. But then
> > save the event and reopen it, and the characters have disappeared.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: "Otso Havu" 
> > To: "Legacy User Group" 
> > Sent: 26/11/2019 18:52:46
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> >
> > >Windows Character Map contains also the key combinations to type these
> > >special characters.
> > >See Char-map bottom line
> > >č  contains U+010D
> > >Press and hold down the ALT key while you type the four number Unicode
> > >value for the character. Note that NUM LOCK must be on, and you have
> > >to use the number pad keys to type the Unicode character value.
> > >
> > >ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 20.25 Otso Havu (otso.h...@gmail.com)
> kirjoitti:
> > >>
> > >>  Do not use Word, use Wordpad instead.
> > >>  Word  contains plenty of control codes that may look bizarre
> > >>
> > >>  ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 19.09 Andrew Robbie
> > >>  (andrew.rob...@comcast.net) kirjoitti:
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Ah, not good.  Did you log a bug?
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > From: LegacyUserGroup 
> On Behalf Of johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
> > >>  > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 10:17 PM
> > >>  > To: 'Legacy User Group' 
> > >>  > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Pasting from MS Word works until you save it. Then the Eastern
> European special characters turn into bizarre symbols.
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > John
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > From: Andrew Robbie
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:37 PM
> > >>  >
> > >>  > To: 'Legacy User Group'
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > You can always copy/paste from something like MS Word that
> supports inserting special characters.
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Or the ‘Alt’ + numeric keypad short cut should work directly into
> Legacy…
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > A
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > From: LegacyUserGroup 
> On Behalf Of Jon M
> > >>  > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 8:38 PM
> > >>  > To: Legacy User Group 
> > >>  > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Thanks Ian and Otso,
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Trying the character map within Windows 10 does not work. I tried.
> Thank you both for the suggestions.
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Cheers, Jon
> > >>  >
> > >>  > (Sent from a mobile device)
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 5:29 PM Ian Thomas 
> wrote:
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Possibly the Windows Accessories group, then 2nd item in the list,
> Windows Character Map (for Windows 10, English language)
> > >>  >
> > >>  > I.L. Thomas
> > >>  > Victoria Park, Western Australia
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  &g

Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Otso Havu]

I tested RootsMagic and Ancestral Quest. Those accept Unicode names.¨

How to help using Special characters ::: Allow Unicode just in
Alternate Names  ?!

ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 21.23 Chris Hill
(chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com) kirjoitti:
>
> That does not work.
>
> Yes, it will happily put an extended character WITHIN a Notes field on
> an event, but will not accept them into a name or location etc. But then
> save the event and reopen it, and the characters have disappeared.
>
> Regards
>
> Chris
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Otso Havu" 
> To: "Legacy User Group" 
> Sent: 26/11/2019 18:52:46
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
>
> >Windows Character Map contains also the key combinations to type these
> >special characters.
> >See Char-map bottom line
> >č  contains U+010D
> >Press and hold down the ALT key while you type the four number Unicode
> >value for the character. Note that NUM LOCK must be on, and you have
> >to use the number pad keys to type the Unicode character value.
> >
> >ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 20.25 Otso Havu (otso.h...@gmail.com) kirjoitti:
> >>
> >>  Do not use Word, use Wordpad instead.
> >>  Word  contains plenty of control codes that may look bizarre
> >>
> >>  ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 19.09 Andrew Robbie
> >>  (andrew.rob...@comcast.net) kirjoitti:
> >>  >
> >>  > Ah, not good.  Did you log a bug?
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > From: LegacyUserGroup  On 
> >> Behalf Of johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
> >>  > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 10:17 PM
> >>  > To: 'Legacy User Group' 
> >>  > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > Pasting from MS Word works until you save it. Then the Eastern European 
> >> special characters turn into bizarre symbols.
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > John
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > From: Andrew Robbie
> >>  >
> >>  > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:37 PM
> >>  >
> >>  > To: 'Legacy User Group'
> >>  >
> >>  > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > You can always copy/paste from something like MS Word that supports 
> >> inserting special characters.
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > Or the ‘Alt’ + numeric keypad short cut should work directly into 
> >> Legacy…
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > A
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > From: LegacyUserGroup  On 
> >> Behalf Of Jon M
> >>  > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 8:38 PM
> >>  > To: Legacy User Group 
> >>  > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > Thanks Ian and Otso,
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > Trying the character map within Windows 10 does not work. I tried. 
> >> Thank you both for the suggestions.
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > Cheers, Jon
> >>  >
> >>  > (Sent from a mobile device)
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 5:29 PM Ian Thomas  wrote:
> >>  >
> >>  > Possibly the Windows Accessories group, then 2nd item in the list, 
> >> Windows Character Map (for Windows 10, English language)
> >>  >
> >>  > I.L. Thomas
> >>  > Victoria Park, Western Australia
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > -Original Message-
> >>  > From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] 
> >> On Behalf Of Otso Havu
> >>  > Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2019 8:00 AM
> >>  > To: Legacy User Group 
> >>  > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> >>  >
> >>  > Sorry, I have a Finnish Win so help is only approximate now.
> >>  >
> >>  > Start > roll to  Windows tools --- just after Windows Power shell --- 
> >> look for a topless pyramide with special characters : select it :
> >>  > select a character, pick and paste to Legacy
&g

Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Chris Hill]

That does not work.

Yes, it will happily put an extended character WITHIN a Notes field on 
an event, but will not accept them into a name or location etc. But then 
save the event and reopen it, and the characters have disappeared.


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Otso Havu" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 26/11/2019 18:52:46
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy


Windows Character Map contains also the key combinations to type these
special characters.
See Char-map bottom line
č  contains U+010D
Press and hold down the ALT key while you type the four number Unicode
value for the character. Note that NUM LOCK must be on, and you have
to use the number pad keys to type the Unicode character value.

ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 20.25 Otso Havu (otso.h...@gmail.com) kirjoitti:


 Do not use Word, use Wordpad instead.
 Word  contains plenty of control codes that may look bizarre

 ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 19.09 Andrew Robbie
 (andrew.rob...@comcast.net) kirjoitti:
 >
 > Ah, not good.  Did you log a bug?
 >
 >
 >
 > From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
 > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 10:17 PM
 > To: 'Legacy User Group' 
 > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
 >
 >
 >
 > Pasting from MS Word works until you save it. Then the Eastern European 
special characters turn into bizarre symbols.
 >
 >
 >
 > John
 >
 >
 >
 > From: Andrew Robbie
 >
 > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:37 PM
 >
 > To: 'Legacy User Group'
 >
 > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
 >
 >
 >
 > You can always copy/paste from something like MS Word that supports 
inserting special characters.
 >
 >
 >
 > Or the ‘Alt’ + numeric keypad short cut should work directly into Legacy…
 >
 >
 >
 > A
 >
 >
 >
 > From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Jon M
 > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 8:38 PM
 > To: Legacy User Group 
 > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
 >
 >
 >
 > Thanks Ian and Otso,
 >
 >
 >
 > Trying the character map within Windows 10 does not work. I tried. Thank you 
both for the suggestions.
 >
 >
 > Cheers, Jon
 >
 > (Sent from a mobile device)
 >
 >
 >
 > On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 5:29 PM Ian Thomas  wrote:
 >
 > Possibly the Windows Accessories group, then 2nd item in the list, Windows 
Character Map (for Windows 10, English language)
 >
 > I.L. Thomas
 > Victoria Park, Western Australia
 >
 >
 > -----Original Message-
 > From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Otso Havu
 > Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2019 8:00 AM
 > To: Legacy User Group 
 > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
 >
 > Sorry, I have a Finnish Win so help is only approximate now.
 >
 > Start > roll to  Windows tools --- just after Windows Power shell --- look 
for a topless pyramide with special characters : select it :
 > select a character, pick and paste to Legacy
 >
 > ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 1.35 Cathy Pinner (genea...@gmail.com) kirjoitti:
 > >
 > > Jon,
 > >
 > > Not all characters can be used in Legacy. Those that can be used are
 > > in the Character Map in the program. Make sure it is on at Options >
 > > Customise 4.6. Then when you see this Character Ribbon, click the
 > > square at the top of it to see all characters.
 > > I don't think the one you want is available.
 > >
 > > Cathy
 > >
 > >
 > > > Jon M <mailto:messier.hist...@gmail.com>
 > > > Tuesday, 26 November 2019 5:06 AM
 > > > Can someone point me in the right direction on how to use special
 > > > alphabet characters in Legacy? I have a large portion of individuals
 > > > in the tree from Lithuania and Slovenia. Both alphabets have special
 > > > characters.
 > > >
 > > > For example, I have a last name of Janaviče in Lithuanian, and I
 > > > would like to be able to have the lower "C" hachek used in Legacy.
 > > > Is this possible?
 > > >
 > > > My Windows 10 software is using English as the primary language.
 > > > Note, I do not speak or write in either of these languages.
 > > >
 > > > Thank you!
 > > > Jon
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > >
 > >
 > > --
 > >
 > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list
 > > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
 > > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe
 > > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.co
 > > m
 > &g

Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Otso Havu]

Windows Character Map contains also the key combinations to type these
special characters.
See Char-map bottom line
č  contains U+010D
Press and hold down the ALT key while you type the four number Unicode
value for the character. Note that NUM LOCK must be on, and you have
to use the number pad keys to type the Unicode character value.

ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 20.25 Otso Havu (otso.h...@gmail.com) kirjoitti:
>
> Do not use Word, use Wordpad instead.
> Word  contains plenty of control codes that may look bizarre
>
> ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 19.09 Andrew Robbie
> (andrew.rob...@comcast.net) kirjoitti:
> >
> > Ah, not good.  Did you log a bug?
> >
> >
> >
> > From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf 
> > Of johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
> > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 10:17 PM
> > To: 'Legacy User Group' 
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> >
> >
> >
> > Pasting from MS Word works until you save it. Then the Eastern European 
> > special characters turn into bizarre symbols.
> >
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Andrew Robbie
> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:37 PM
> >
> > To: 'Legacy User Group'
> >
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> >
> >
> >
> > You can always copy/paste from something like MS Word that supports 
> > inserting special characters.
> >
> >
> >
> > Or the ‘Alt’ + numeric keypad short cut should work directly into Legacy…
> >
> >
> >
> > A
> >
> >
> >
> > From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf 
> > Of Jon M
> > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 8:38 PM
> > To: Legacy User Group 
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks Ian and Otso,
> >
> >
> >
> > Trying the character map within Windows 10 does not work. I tried. Thank 
> > you both for the suggestions.
> >
> >
> > Cheers, Jon
> >
> > (Sent from a mobile device)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 5:29 PM Ian Thomas  wrote:
> >
> > Possibly the Windows Accessories group, then 2nd item in the list, Windows 
> > Character Map (for Windows 10, English language)
> >
> > I.L. Thomas
> > Victoria Park, Western Australia
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Otso Havu
> > Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2019 8:00 AM
> > To: Legacy User Group 
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> >
> > Sorry, I have a Finnish Win so help is only approximate now.
> >
> > Start > roll to  Windows tools --- just after Windows Power shell --- look 
> > for a topless pyramide with special characters : select it :
> > select a character, pick and paste to Legacy
> >
> > ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 1.35 Cathy Pinner (genea...@gmail.com) kirjoitti:
> > >
> > > Jon,
> > >
> > > Not all characters can be used in Legacy. Those that can be used are
> > > in the Character Map in the program. Make sure it is on at Options >
> > > Customise 4.6. Then when you see this Character Ribbon, click the
> > > square at the top of it to see all characters.
> > > I don't think the one you want is available.
> > >
> > > Cathy
> > >
> > >
> > > > Jon M <mailto:messier.hist...@gmail.com>
> > > > Tuesday, 26 November 2019 5:06 AM
> > > > Can someone point me in the right direction on how to use special
> > > > alphabet characters in Legacy? I have a large portion of individuals
> > > > in the tree from Lithuania and Slovenia. Both alphabets have special
> > > > characters.
> > > >
> > > > For example, I have a last name of Janaviče in Lithuanian, and I
> > > > would like to be able to have the lower "C" hachek used in Legacy.
> > > > Is this possible?
> > > >
> > > > My Windows 10 software is using English as the primary language.
> > > > Note, I do not speak or write in either of these languages.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you!
> > > > Jon
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list
> > > LegacyUserGroup@legacyuser

Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Chris Hill]

This is a very well known issue with Legacy.

Partially it is because they do not support Unicoded text, and not said 
when it will do. They might be because the core of the program was 
developed, and still is, in Visual Basic V6. That might be limiting on 
the character sets that it can support, though it is strange that a 
development system from 1998 would not have support for more character 
sets.


Digging into the VB Forums I found this : Yes and no. For yes, VB 
strings can hold 16-bit characters and is thus Unicode compatible. The 
problems come from several directions: 1. Strings passed to API are 
converted to ANSI and vice versa; 2. Reading a file to a string is done 
by automatically converting ANSI to Unicode; 3. The same applies when 
saving: string is converted to ANSI; 4.  Visual Basic controls are not 
Unicode aware


The problem is the conversion to ANSI, which will trim out any other 
character; and potentially the developers have put tighter limitations 
on the character set.


This might not actually be a limitation - it would be possible to store 
the text in a Unicode acceptable format. Equally, there are Unicode 
aware controls available, and using code pages would help to control it.


Of course the question is whether the developers want to resolve the 
issue with the current version - lots of effort - or should they being 
developing a more modern version of the software, which would do it 
natively.


See 
http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.php?365738-Classic-VB-Does-Visual-Basic-6-support-Unicode


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Andrew Robbie" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 26/11/2019 17:08:34
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy


Ah, not good.  Did you log a bug?



From: LegacyUserGroup  On 
Behalf Of johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au

Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 10:17 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy



Pasting from MS Word works until you save it. Then the Eastern European 
special characters turn into bizarre symbols.




John



From:Andrew Robbie <mailto:andrew.rob...@comcast.net>

Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:37 PM

To:'Legacy User Group' <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy



You can always copy/paste from something like MS Word that supports 
inserting special characters.




Or the ‘Alt’ + numeric keypad short cut should work directly into 
Legacy…




A



From: LegacyUserGroup  On 
Behalf Of Jon M

Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 8:38 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy



Thanks Ian and Otso,



Trying the character map within Windows 10 does not work. I tried. 
Thank you both for the suggestions.



Cheers, Jon

(Sent from a mobile device)



On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 5:29 PM Ian Thomas  wrote:

Possibly the Windows Accessories group, then 2nd item in the list, 
Windows Character Map (for Windows 10, English language)


I.L. Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia


-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] 
On Behalf Of Otso Havu

Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2019 8:00 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

Sorry, I have a Finnish Win so help is only approximate now.

Start > roll to  Windows tools --- just after Windows Power shell --- 
look for a topless pyramide with special characters : select it :

select a character, pick and paste to Legacy

ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 1.35 Cathy Pinner (genea...@gmail.com) 
kirjoitti:

>
> Jon,
>
> Not all characters can be used in Legacy. Those that can be used are
> in the Character Map in the program. Make sure it is on at Options >
> Customise 4.6. Then when you see this Character Ribbon, click the
> square at the top of it to see all characters.
> I don't think the one you want is available.
>
> Cathy
>
>
> > Jon M <mailto:messier.hist...@gmail.com>
> > Tuesday, 26 November 2019 5:06 AM
> > Can someone point me in the right direction on how to use special
> > alphabet characters in Legacy? I have a large portion of 
individuals
> > in the tree from Lithuania and Slovenia. Both alphabets have 
special

> > characters.
> >
> > For example, I have a last name of Janaviče in Lithuanian, and I
> > would like to be able to have the lower "C" hachek used in Legacy.
> > Is this possible?
> >
> > My Windows 10 software is using English as the primary language.
> > Note, I do not speak or write in either of these languages.
> >
> > Thank you!
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> LegacyUserGroup mailing list
> LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
> To mana

Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Otso Havu]

Do not use Word, use Wordpad instead.
Word  contains plenty of control codes that may look bizarre

ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 19.09 Andrew Robbie
(andrew.rob...@comcast.net) kirjoitti:
>
> Ah, not good.  Did you log a bug?
>
>
>
> From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
> johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 10:17 PM
> To: 'Legacy User Group' 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
>
>
>
> Pasting from MS Word works until you save it. Then the Eastern European 
> special characters turn into bizarre symbols.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> From: Andrew Robbie
>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:37 PM
>
> To: 'Legacy User Group'
>
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
>
>
>
> You can always copy/paste from something like MS Word that supports inserting 
> special characters.
>
>
>
> Or the ‘Alt’ + numeric keypad short cut should work directly into Legacy…
>
>
>
> A
>
>
>
> From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
> Jon M
> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 8:38 PM
> To: Legacy User Group 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
>
>
>
> Thanks Ian and Otso,
>
>
>
> Trying the character map within Windows 10 does not work. I tried. Thank you 
> both for the suggestions.
>
>
> Cheers, Jon
>
> (Sent from a mobile device)
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 5:29 PM Ian Thomas  wrote:
>
> Possibly the Windows Accessories group, then 2nd item in the list, Windows 
> Character Map (for Windows 10, English language)
>
> I.L. Thomas
> Victoria Park, Western Australia
>
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Otso Havu
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2019 8:00 AM
> To: Legacy User Group 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
>
> Sorry, I have a Finnish Win so help is only approximate now.
>
> Start > roll to  Windows tools --- just after Windows Power shell --- look 
> for a topless pyramide with special characters : select it :
> select a character, pick and paste to Legacy
>
> ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 1.35 Cathy Pinner (genea...@gmail.com) kirjoitti:
> >
> > Jon,
> >
> > Not all characters can be used in Legacy. Those that can be used are
> > in the Character Map in the program. Make sure it is on at Options >
> > Customise 4.6. Then when you see this Character Ribbon, click the
> > square at the top of it to see all characters.
> > I don't think the one you want is available.
> >
> > Cathy
> >
> >
> > > Jon M <mailto:messier.hist...@gmail.com>
> > > Tuesday, 26 November 2019 5:06 AM
> > > Can someone point me in the right direction on how to use special
> > > alphabet characters in Legacy? I have a large portion of individuals
> > > in the tree from Lithuania and Slovenia. Both alphabets have special
> > > characters.
> > >
> > > For example, I have a last name of Janaviče in Lithuanian, and I
> > > would like to be able to have the lower "C" hachek used in Legacy.
> > > Is this possible?
> > >
> > > My Windows 10 software is using English as the primary language.
> > > Note, I do not speak or write in either of these languages.
> > >
> > > Thank you!
> > > Jon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Andrew Robbie]

Ah, not good.  Did you log a bug?

 

From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 10:17 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

 

Pasting from MS Word works until you save it. Then the Eastern European special 
characters turn into bizarre symbols.

 

John

 

From: Andrew Robbie <mailto:andrew.rob...@comcast.net>  

Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:37 PM

To: 'Legacy User Group' <mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com>  

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

 

You can always copy/paste from something like MS Word that supports inserting 
special characters.

 

Or the ‘Alt’ + numeric keypad short cut should work directly into Legacy…

 

A

 

From: LegacyUserGroup mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> > On Behalf Of Jon M
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 8:38 PM
To: Legacy User Group mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> >
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

 

Thanks Ian and Otso,

 

Trying the character map within Windows 10 does not work. I tried. Thank you 
both for the suggestions. 


Cheers, Jon

(Sent from a mobile device)

 

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 5:29 PM Ian Thomas mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com> > wrote:

Possibly the Windows Accessories group, then 2nd item in the list, Windows 
Character Map (for Windows 10, English language)

I.L. Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia


-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com 
<mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> ] On Behalf Of Otso Havu
Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2019 8:00 AM
To: Legacy User Group mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> >
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

Sorry, I have a Finnish Win so help is only approximate now.

Start > roll to  Windows tools --- just after Windows Power shell --- look for 
a topless pyramide with special characters : select it :
select a character, pick and paste to Legacy

ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 1.35 Cathy Pinner (genea...@gmail.com 
<mailto:genea...@gmail.com> ) kirjoitti:
>
> Jon,
>
> Not all characters can be used in Legacy. Those that can be used are 
> in the Character Map in the program. Make sure it is on at Options > 
> Customise 4.6. Then when you see this Character Ribbon, click the 
> square at the top of it to see all characters.
> I don't think the one you want is available.
>
> Cathy
>
>
> > Jon M <mailto:messier.hist...@gmail.com <mailto:messier.hist...@gmail.com> >
> > Tuesday, 26 November 2019 5:06 AM
> > Can someone point me in the right direction on how to use special 
> > alphabet characters in Legacy? I have a large portion of individuals 
> > in the tree from Lithuania and Slovenia. Both alphabets have special 
> > characters.
> >
> > For example, I have a last name of Janaviče in Lithuanian, and I 
> > would like to be able to have the lower "C" hachek used in Legacy. 
> > Is this possible?
> >
> > My Windows 10 software is using English as the primary language. 
> > Note, I do not speak or write in either of these languages.
> >
> > Thank you!
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[johnbernacki1]

Pasting from MS Word works until you save it. Then the Eastern European special 
characters turn into bizarre symbols.

John

From: Andrew Robbie 
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:37 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

You can always copy/paste from something like MS Word that supports inserting 
special characters.

 

Or the ‘Alt’ + numeric keypad short cut should work directly into Legacy…

 

A

 

From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Jon M
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 8:38 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

 

Thanks Ian and Otso,

 

Trying the character map within Windows 10 does not work. I tried. Thank you 
both for the suggestions. 


Cheers, Jon

(Sent from a mobile device)

 

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 5:29 PM Ian Thomas  wrote:

  Possibly the Windows Accessories group, then 2nd item in the list, Windows 
Character Map (for Windows 10, English language)

  I.L. Thomas
  Victoria Park, Western Australia


  -Original Message-
  From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Otso Havu
  Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2019 8:00 AM
  To: Legacy User Group 
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

  Sorry, I have a Finnish Win so help is only approximate now.

  Start > roll to  Windows tools --- just after Windows Power shell --- look 
for a topless pyramide with special characters : select it :
  select a character, pick and paste to Legacy

  ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 1.35 Cathy Pinner (genea...@gmail.com) kirjoitti:
  >
  > Jon,
  >
  > Not all characters can be used in Legacy. Those that can be used are 
  > in the Character Map in the program. Make sure it is on at Options > 
  > Customise 4.6. Then when you see this Character Ribbon, click the 
  > square at the top of it to see all characters.
  > I don't think the one you want is available.
  >
  > Cathy
  >
  >
  > > Jon M <mailto:messier.hist...@gmail.com>
  > > Tuesday, 26 November 2019 5:06 AM
  > > Can someone point me in the right direction on how to use special 
  > > alphabet characters in Legacy? I have a large portion of individuals 
  > > in the tree from Lithuania and Slovenia. Both alphabets have special 
  > > characters.
  > >
  > > For example, I have a last name of Janaviče in Lithuanian, and I 
  > > would like to be able to have the lower "C" hachek used in Legacy. 
  > > Is this possible?
  > >
  > > My Windows 10 software is using English as the primary language. 
  > > Note, I do not speak or write in either of these languages.
  > >
  > > Thank you!
  > > Jon
  > >
  > >
  > >
  >
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Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Andrew Robbie]

You can always copy/paste from something like MS Word that supports inserting 
special characters.

 

Or the ‘Alt’ + numeric keypad short cut should work directly into Legacy…

 

A

 

From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Jon M
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 8:38 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

 

Thanks Ian and Otso,

 

Trying the character map within Windows 10 does not work. I tried. Thank you 
both for the suggestions. 


Cheers, Jon

(Sent from a mobile device)

 

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 5:29 PM Ian Thomas mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com> > wrote:

Possibly the Windows Accessories group, then 2nd item in the list, Windows 
Character Map (for Windows 10, English language)

I.L. Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia


-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com 
<mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com> ] On Behalf Of Otso Havu
Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2019 8:00 AM
To: Legacy User Group mailto:legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> >
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

Sorry, I have a Finnish Win so help is only approximate now.

Start > roll to  Windows tools --- just after Windows Power shell --- look for 
a topless pyramide with special characters : select it :
select a character, pick and paste to Legacy

ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 1.35 Cathy Pinner (genea...@gmail.com 
<mailto:genea...@gmail.com> ) kirjoitti:
>
> Jon,
>
> Not all characters can be used in Legacy. Those that can be used are 
> in the Character Map in the program. Make sure it is on at Options > 
> Customise 4.6. Then when you see this Character Ribbon, click the 
> square at the top of it to see all characters.
> I don't think the one you want is available.
>
> Cathy
>
>
> > Jon M <mailto:messier.hist...@gmail.com <mailto:messier.hist...@gmail.com> >
> > Tuesday, 26 November 2019 5:06 AM
> > Can someone point me in the right direction on how to use special 
> > alphabet characters in Legacy? I have a large portion of individuals 
> > in the tree from Lithuania and Slovenia. Both alphabets have special 
> > characters.
> >
> > For example, I have a last name of Janaviče in Lithuanian, and I 
> > would like to be able to have the lower "C" hachek used in Legacy. 
> > Is this possible?
> >
> > My Windows 10 software is using English as the primary language. 
> > Note, I do not speak or write in either of these languages.
> >
> > Thank you!
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Ian Thomas]

Possibly the Windows Accessories group, then 2nd item in the list, Windows 
Character Map (for Windows 10, English language)

I.L. Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia


-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Otso Havu
Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2019 8:00 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

Sorry, I have a Finnish Win so help is only approximate now.

Start > roll to  Windows tools --- just after Windows Power shell --- look for 
a topless pyramide with special characters : select it :
select a character, pick and paste to Legacy

ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 1.35 Cathy Pinner (genea...@gmail.com) kirjoitti:
>
> Jon,
>
> Not all characters can be used in Legacy. Those that can be used are 
> in the Character Map in the program. Make sure it is on at Options > 
> Customise 4.6. Then when you see this Character Ribbon, click the 
> square at the top of it to see all characters.
> I don't think the one you want is available.
>
> Cathy
>
>
> > Jon M <mailto:messier.hist...@gmail.com>
> > Tuesday, 26 November 2019 5:06 AM
> > Can someone point me in the right direction on how to use special 
> > alphabet characters in Legacy? I have a large portion of individuals 
> > in the tree from Lithuania and Slovenia. Both alphabets have special 
> > characters.
> >
> > For example, I have a last name of Janaviče in Lithuanian, and I 
> > would like to be able to have the lower "C" hachek used in Legacy. 
> > Is this possible?
> >
> > My Windows 10 software is using English as the primary language. 
> > Note, I do not speak or write in either of these languages.
> >
> > Thank you!
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Otso Havu]

Sorry, I have a Finnish Win so help is only approximate now.

Start > roll to  Windows tools --- just after Windows Power shell ---
look for a topless pyramide with special characters : select it :
select a character, pick and paste to Legacy

ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 1.35 Cathy Pinner (genea...@gmail.com) kirjoitti:
>
> Jon,
>
> Not all characters can be used in Legacy. Those that can be used are in
> the Character Map in the program. Make sure it is on at Options >
> Customise 4.6. Then when you see this Character Ribbon, click the square
> at the top of it to see all characters.
> I don't think the one you want is available.
>
> Cathy
>
>
> > Jon M 
> > Tuesday, 26 November 2019 5:06 AM
> > Can someone point me in the right direction on how to use special
> > alphabet characters in Legacy? I have a large portion of individuals
> > in the tree from Lithuania and Slovenia. Both alphabets have special
> > characters.
> >
> > For example, I have a last name of Janaviče in Lithuanian, and I would
> > like to be able to have the lower "C" hachek used in Legacy. Is this
> > possible?
> >
> > My Windows 10 software is using English as the primary language. Note,
> > I do not speak or write in either of these languages.
> >
> > Thank you!
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Jon M]

Again, thanks so much for the information. I'm glad it's on the road map,
but disappointed that it may not be implemented for a while.

Cheers, Jon

(Sent from a mobile device)

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 3:51 PM Cathy Pinner  wrote:

> Jon,
> Use of more characters is already on the suggestion list and has been
> for some time. There is a difficulty with adding them with the current
> program architecture.
> Cathy
>
> > Jon M 
> > Tuesday, 26 November 2019 7:47 AM
> > Ok. Thanks for the information. Is this something I can make a feature
> > request?
> >
> > Cheers, Jon
> >
> > (Sent from a mobile device)
> >
> >
> >
> > Cathy Pinner 
> > Tuesday, 26 November 2019 7:34 AM
> > Jon,
> >
> > Not all characters can be used in Legacy. Those that can be used are
> > in the Character Map in the program. Make sure it is on at Options >
> > Customise 4.6. Then when you see this Character Ribbon, click the
> > square at the top of it to see all characters.
> > I don't think the one you want is available.
> >
> > Cathy
> >
> >
> >
> > Jon M 
> > Tuesday, 26 November 2019 5:06 AM
> > Can someone point me in the right direction on how to use special
> > alphabet characters in Legacy? I have a large portion of individuals
> > in the tree from Lithuania and Slovenia. Both alphabets have special
> > characters.
> >
> > For example, I have a last name of Janaviče in Lithuanian, and I would
> > like to be able to have the lower "C" hachek used in Legacy. Is this
> > possible?
> >
> > My Windows 10 software is using English as the primary language. Note,
> > I do not speak or write in either of these languages.
> >
> > Thank you!
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Cathy Pinner]

Jon,
Use of more characters is already on the suggestion list and has been 
for some time. There is a difficulty with adding them with the current 
program architecture.

Cathy


Jon M 
Tuesday, 26 November 2019 7:47 AM
Ok. Thanks for the information. Is this something I can make a feature 
request?


Cheers, Jon

(Sent from a mobile device)



Cathy Pinner 
Tuesday, 26 November 2019 7:34 AM
Jon,

Not all characters can be used in Legacy. Those that can be used are 
in the Character Map in the program. Make sure it is on at Options > 
Customise 4.6. Then when you see this Character Ribbon, click the 
square at the top of it to see all characters.

I don't think the one you want is available.

Cathy



Jon M 
Tuesday, 26 November 2019 5:06 AM
Can someone point me in the right direction on how to use special 
alphabet characters in Legacy? I have a large portion of individuals 
in the tree from Lithuania and Slovenia. Both alphabets have special 
characters.


For example, I have a last name of Janaviče in Lithuanian, and I would 
like to be able to have the lower "C" hachek used in Legacy. Is this 
possible?


My Windows 10 software is using English as the primary language. Note, 
I do not speak or write in either of these languages.


Thank you!
Jon






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Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Jon M]

Ok. Thanks for the information. Is this something I can make a feature
request?

Cheers, Jon

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On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 3:35 PM Cathy Pinner  wrote:

> Jon,
>
> Not all characters can be used in Legacy. Those that can be used are in
> the Character Map in the program. Make sure it is on at Options >
> Customise 4.6. Then when you see this Character Ribbon, click the square
> at the top of it to see all characters.
> I don't think the one you want is available.
>
> Cathy
>
>
> > Jon M 
> > Tuesday, 26 November 2019 5:06 AM
> > Can someone point me in the right direction on how to use special
> > alphabet characters in Legacy? I have a large portion of individuals
> > in the tree from Lithuania and Slovenia. Both alphabets have special
> > characters.
> >
> > For example, I have a last name of Janaviče in Lithuanian, and I would
> > like to be able to have the lower "C" hachek used in Legacy. Is this
> > possible?
> >
> > My Windows 10 software is using English as the primary language. Note,
> > I do not speak or write in either of these languages.
> >
> > Thank you!
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Cathy Pinner]

Jon,

Not all characters can be used in Legacy. Those that can be used are in 
the Character Map in the program. Make sure it is on at Options > 
Customise 4.6. Then when you see this Character Ribbon, click the square 
at the top of it to see all characters.

I don't think the one you want is available.

Cathy



Jon M 
Tuesday, 26 November 2019 5:06 AM
Can someone point me in the right direction on how to use special 
alphabet characters in Legacy? I have a large portion of individuals 
in the tree from Lithuania and Slovenia. Both alphabets have special 
characters.


For example, I have a last name of Janaviče in Lithuanian, and I would 
like to be able to have the lower "C" hachek used in Legacy. Is this 
possible?


My Windows 10 software is using English as the primary language. Note, 
I do not speak or write in either of these languages.


Thank you!
Jon






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[LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Jon M]

Can someone point me in the right direction on how to use special alphabet
characters in Legacy? I have a large portion of individuals in the tree
from Lithuania and Slovenia. Both alphabets have special characters.

For example, I have a last name of Janaviče in Lithuanian, and I would like
to be able to have the lower "C" hachek used in Legacy. Is this possible?

My Windows 10 software is using English as the primary language. Note, I do
not speak or write in either of these languages.

Thank you!
Jon
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