Re: [LegacyUG] Two sourcing questions
On 16/11/2011 01:07, Tony Rolfe wrote: For Question 1, I really think that notes about a location belong with the location, rather than the event where the location is used. If a location no longer exists, but a family lived there for three censuses and a bunch of marriage and birth events, then adding the data to each person's copy of each event is so much data duplication. Updating the information will be a nightmare. Imagine that you add a new location from a census document and find it doesn't exist now. You look at the enumerator's header sheet and find that it was in an area bounded by four streets. So you add this info to the events. Later on you find out a bit more detail, say that it was renamed in 1940. You have to add that to all copies of all events which use that location. Then you find out it was demolished in 1970. Again, add that to all copies of all events. If the info is in the location notes it only needs to be updated in one place. So, it should be sourceable. I'm going to report it as a bug. It is not a bug. It is not a case of a Source field not working correctly, it is a case of the programmers not including one. You may wish to suggest this as a new feature but I don't think reporting it as a bug will get you very far. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Two sourcing questions
Tony, I'm just curious, why do you prefer JPGs rather than PDFs? Julia On 11/15/2011 08:07 PM, Tony Rolfe wrote: For Question 2. I'll try out the programs mentioned. I already have CutePDF, but prefer to use jpegs rather than PDF's. Thanks again for all the advice Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Two sourcing questions
Hi Tony, Your statement Imagine that you add a new location from a census document and find it doesn't exist now. This happens very frequently but when the census took place is the time you are looking at *not* the present. If you want to produce a 'history' for each location then your way works fine, however to me, it's the location at the time of the event that is important not the location as it is [or isn't] now. By all means add a location history to each location but you should also include details of when each change occurred so that the situation of the location for each individual could be worked out as this wouldn't be immediately obvious unless you cite each individual in this 'history'. Genealogy is about people as they were when they were alive together with their ancestors and descendants, and therefore if locations change at a later date, to me this is somewhat irrelevant, and may only warrant a note attached to each individual to whom it applies. Is one researching people or locations? In a later message you say that you would like to be able to source a location, and by inference, subsequent changes to that location. When a location is attached to an individual's event then that event is the source for the location, if not, then where did you get the location from? Geoff - From: Tony Rolfe [mailto:geneal...@gillandtony.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 1:07 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Two sourcing questions Thanks to everyone for their answers. For Question 1, I really think that notes about a location belong with the location, rather than the event where the location is used. If a location no longer exists, but a family lived there for three censuses and a bunch of marriage and birth events, then adding the data to each person's copy of each event is so much data duplication. Updating the information will be a nightmare. Imagine that you add a new location from a census document and find it doesn't exist now. You look at the enumerator's header sheet and find that it was in an area bounded by four streets. So you add this info to the events. Later on you find out a bit more detail, say that it was renamed in 1940. You have to add that to all copies of all events which use that location. Then you find out it was demolished in 1970. Again, add that to all copies of all events. If the info is in the location notes it only needs to be updated in one place. So, it should be sourceable. I'm going to report it as a bug. For Question 2. I'll try out the programs mentioned. I already have CutePDF, but prefer to use jpegs rather than PDF's. Thanks again for all the advice Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Two sourcing questions
Pls change the thread title. Thx. --Paula From: julia l aga...@hotmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Wed, November 16, 2011 7:51:14 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Two sourcing questions Tony, I'm just curious, why do you prefer JPGs rather than PDFs? Julia On 11/15/2011 08:07 PM, Tony Rolfe wrote: For Question 2. I'll try out the programs mentioned. I already have CutePDF, but prefer to use jpegs rather than PDF's. Thanks again for all the advice Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Two sourcing questions
On 15/11/2011 04:10, Tony Rolfe wrote: Question 1. I have a few streets in censuses which no longer appear on maps. When I find out where the street used to be, I like to put that information into the notes field for the location. However, there doesn't appear to be a way to add a source to the notes field. In other words, when I go View master Lists Locations, select a location and edit it, there is no source button. Am I missing something? You could write ... according to ... or ... as documented in ... when entering the information in Notes. Question two. What is the best way to source a web page? I know how to do the source, I'm more interested in the best way to ensure that the information doesn't disappear when the web page concerned is updated, deleted etc. One possibility would be to screen-print the page and attach the jpg to the source, but sometimes the information spreads over more than one physical screen or scrolls down and then screen prints aren't really useful. Don't use a screen print! I use the free program CutePDF which is set up as an additional printer on my system. To capture the whole of a web page as a PDF I just select CutePDF instead of my usual printer. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Two sourcing questions
On 2011/11/15 12:28, Jenny M Benson wrote: On 15/11/2011 04:10, Tony Rolfe wrote: Question 1. I have a few streets in censuses which no longer appear on maps. When I find out where the street used to be, I like to put that information into the notes field for the location. However, there doesn't appear to be a way to add a source to the notes field. In other words, when I go View master Lists Locations, select a location and edit it, there is no source button. Am I missing something? You could write ... according to ... or ... as documented in ... when entering the information in Notes. This is were Sourcing would be very useful: old and modern maps to give a then and now picture of the location, particularly in London where so many old streets have disappeared or been renamed. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Two sourcing questions
You could create an event/fact for those living in the now defunct streets and attach the source to that. Alternatively you could put a reference in the location notes to its picture gallery and link the file in there. I find that for items that may change I can create PDF files with images of the pertinent information from the website. I also find it useful create a URL shortcut file and include that in the location picture gallery, this gives me an internet link from my Legacy database to the website with interesting information on the location. Rick Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Two sourcing questions
One could also add it to the Notes at the end of a Residence Event if a census is only used as a Source. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 12:13 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Two sourcing questions Since I do the census as an event, I would just add it at the bottom. For example, 459 Flanders St. John Doe, age 45, white, male, married, [etc] Jane Doe, age 43, white, female, married, [etc.] [Flanders St. no longer exists. The name changed to Oak Road in 1943 and then in 1972 the road was completely blocked off to build the Silver Maple Mall which now has a street address of 1294 Silver Maple Lane] Sourcing a web page depends on what is on the web page. Is it a marriage book transcription? Is it a cemetery survey? Is it someone's GEDCOM? michele -Original Message- From: Tony Rolfe Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:10 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Two sourcing questions Question 1. I have a few streets in censuses which no longer appear on maps. When I find out where the street used to be, I like to put that information into the notes field for the location. However, there doesn't appear to be a way to add a source to the notes field. In other words, when I go View master Lists Locations, select a location and edit it, there is no source button. Am I missing something? Question two. What is the best way to source a web page? I know how to do the source, I'm more interested in the best way to ensure that the information doesn't disappear when the web page concerned is updated, deleted etc. One possibility would be to screen-print the page and attach the jpg to the source, but sometimes the information spreads over more than one physical screen or scrolls down and then screen prints aren't really useful. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Two sourcing questions
Hi Tony. I fully understand your point, but remember that even though location does not have a specific source of its own, location does have a specific NOTE field you can use, as has already been mentioned. So whatever you put in the particular location NOTE FIELD - you can update with more information and tell Legacy to make the change for EVERY instance of that location, if that is your desire. Jerry / http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org On 11/15/2011 08:07 PM, Tony Rolfe wrote: Thanks to everyone for their answers. For Question 1, I really think that notes about a location belong with the location, rather than the event where the location is used. If a location no longer exists, but a family lived there for three censuses and a bunch of marriage and birth events, then adding the data to each person's copy of each event is so much data duplication. Updating the information will be a nightmare. Imagine that you add a new location from a census document and find it doesn't exist now. You look at the enumerator's header sheet and find that it was in an area bounded by four streets. So you add this info to the events. Later on you find out a bit more detail, say that it was renamed in 1940. You have to add that to all copies of all events which use that location. Then you find out it was demolished in 1970. Again, add that to all copies of all events. If the info is in the location notes it only needs to be updated in one place. So, it should be sourceable. I'm going to report it as a bug. For Question 2. I'll try out the programs mentioned. I already have CutePDF, but prefer to use jpegs rather than PDF's. Thanks again for all the advice Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Two sourcing questions
Tony, Re: Q2: The screen capture program I use (SnagIt) does capture the whole page by auto scrolling when it captures the web page - the final image is a longer one than when viewing through a browser. When you source a web page, also include an access date. Therefore if the page disappears after that date, you have a recorded date of when you viewed it, and an image of what it was. Kind Regards Mark Lang -Original Message- From: Tony Rolfe [mailto:geneal...@gillandtony.com] Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2011 2:41 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Two sourcing questions Question 1. I have a few streets in censuses which no longer appear on maps. When I find out where the street used to be, I like to put that information into the notes field for the location. However, there doesn't appear to be a way to add a source to the notes field. In other words, when I go View master Lists Locations, select a location and edit it, there is no source button. Am I missing something? Question two. What is the best way to source a web page? I know how to do the source, I'm more interested in the best way to ensure that the information doesn't disappear when the web page concerned is updated, deleted etc. One possibility would be to screen-print the page and attach the jpg to the source, but sometimes the information spreads over more than one physical screen or scrolls down and then screen prints aren't really useful. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Two sourcing questions
Hi Tony Q2; I highlight the text on a webpage and paste it into Notepad, then clean it up (usually remove tabs and new paragraphs so that I have an easily read single paragraph for all the text) and then paste it into the source detail text (actual Source Text). That way it will print sensibly in Legacy reports and I am not dependant on the webpage for what I saw. By using Notepad all the odd formatting is removed. If I need to do a lot of find and replacing I use Word, and do a paste/special/text to get the text into Word without formatting. For me it is important that I have only one paragraph for the source text, so that reports are predictable in their layout. Cheers, Brett B McL Robinson, Hamilton, New Zealand On 15/11/2011 5:10 p.m., Tony Rolfe wrote: Question 1. I have a few streets in censuses which no longer appear on maps. When I find out where the street used to be, I like to put that information into the notes field for the location. However, there doesn't appear to be a way to add a source to the notes field. In other words, when I go View master Lists Locations, select a location and edit it, there is no source button. Am I missing something? Question two. What is the best way to source a web page? I know how to do the source, I'm more interested in the best way to ensure that the information doesn't disappear when the web page concerned is updated, deleted etc. One possibility would be to screen-print the page and attach the jpg to the source, but sometimes the information spreads over more than one physical screen or scrolls down and then screen prints aren't really useful. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Two sourcing questions
Regarding question 1, as far as I can tell, there is not a SPECIFIC source for a location. Instead, it looks as if you would have to use the source that goes with BIRTH, DEATH, etc., which can include both the DATE, LOCATION and NOTES about those items. It sounds like you are already aware there is that extra NOTE field that can be used with any location, but it does not have a source of its own, apart from birth, death, etc. Jerry - MerriamFamilyTree.org On 11/14/2011 11:10 PM, Tony Rolfe wrote: Question 1. I have a few streets in censuses which no longer appear on maps. When I find out where the street used to be, I like to put that information into the notes field for the location. However, there doesn't appear to be a way to add a source to the notes field. In other words, when I go View master Lists Locations, select a location and edit it, there is no source button. Am I missing something? Question two. What is the best way to source a web page? I know how to do the source, I'm more interested in the best way to ensure that the information doesn't disappear when the web page concerned is updated, deleted etc. One possibility would be to screen-print the page and attach the jpg to the source, but sometimes the information spreads over more than one physical screen or scrolls down and then screen prints aren't really useful. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Two sourcing questions
Tony, An program capable of capturing a web page in its entirety, including the part not seen without scrolling, is FastStone Capture. The resulting image may then be cropped and the result saved and/or annotated, etc. by the same program. John Zimmerman Mesa, AZ On 11/14/2011 9:10 PM, Tony Rolfe wrote: Question 1. I have a few streets in censuses which no longer appear on maps. When I find out where the street used to be, I like to put that information into the notes field for the location. However, there doesn't appear to be a way to add a source to the notes field. In other words, when I go View master Lists Locations, select a location and edit it, there is no source button. Am I missing something? Question two. What is the best way to source a web page? I know how to do the source, I'm more interested in the best way to ensure that the information doesn't disappear when the web page concerned is updated, deleted etc. One possibility would be to screen-print the page and attach the jpg to the source, but sometimes the information spreads over more than one physical screen or scrolls down and then screen prints aren't really useful. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks, Tony Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
