Re: Partcombine music
If you search the mailing list archives, you will find out that the part combiner mechanism has many problems and that there is some ongoing work to reimplement it completely. /Mats Anna Choma wrote: Hello, I write an orchestra piece and have some problem with partcombine formatting. 1) I need to have some control over partcombine setting. It's done automaticcaly (sometimes stems and slurs are written in two oposite directions and there are two voices, sometimes the two voices are linked into one). How to achieve control over such formatting? I would like to have more one voice formatting with a sign a2. Two voices are very often identicall, so why are they split? 2) How to raise a little the solo word in partcombine music? It appears automatically and it's ok. Best regards, Anna Choma ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user -- = Mats Bengtsson Signal Processing Signals, Sensors and Systems Royal Institute of Technology SE-100 44 STOCKHOLM Sweden Phone: (+46) 8 790 8463 Fax: (+46) 8 790 7260 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.s3.kth.se/~mabe = ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Ties in second endings (and a small rant)
Mats Bengtsson wrote:
I hope you know how to fix it, namely to insert a \grace{s4} in the
beginning of the second ending of all other voices. Example:
[snip]
The other alternative that is often used is to fiddle with the
durations, as in the following example, but then you either get
the note head slightly misplaced compared to the other voices or
you have to apply the same trick to all voices, so I prefer the
grace note solution.
[snip]
Yes... I would too... but I have experienced that it causes Lilypond to
give up breaking lines :(
So I use the last method. Something like:
{ s64 a2 a2*1/2 s8 s16 s32 s64 }
I know there's (at least potential) solutions to everything, if you are
only caring about the final output.
But if you care about maintenance of the code, the more hacks you do,
the more difficult it is to return to the code 4 month later at adjust
it to a new orchestra. (do a few transposed, cut a repetition, insert an
extra voice and so on.)
Lilypond is great for _typesetting_, but all these small hacks makes it
difficult to work with when you do continious re-arranging.
Peter
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Re: Grid Printing
Hi everyone! May be it can be useful to have the option of printing a grid, ideally in light gray with a spacing of 1 staff-space, to deal with paddings and extra-offset's in a preliminary print-out... That's something I was thinking of some time ago. In my opinion it would be best to define such a grid in some other environment (perhaps LaTeX ???) and print it on a transparent foil. Afterwards you can printi your score and put the foil on it to determine the necessary offset. Even if you had such a grid, you have to notice that if you move one object by specifying the padding, then other objects may move as well Should be no problem when extra-offset is used. (@ Mats: IIRC we mailed about that once). Kind regards, Thies ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: Ties in second endings
Mats -
Thanks. Your two alternatives should make the docs, maybe Tips and Tricks.
In your preferred case, using a hidden grace longer than 1/16 causes a third
ending to be inserted. Why? Bug?
Using
{\grace{\hideNotes g32 ( g32 }\unHideNotes a4 ) g e d | c1 }}
improves the tie by making it slightly longer.
- Bruce
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To: Peter Mogensen
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Subject: Re: Ties in second endings
Peter Mogensen wrote:
Mats Bengtsson wrote:
* Ties are not continued into second endings
The standard trick is to add a tie from an invisible note. You can
find several examples in the mailing list archives.
I did that.
But this is also one of the examples where the hack doesn't play
well with the entire score. This invisible note takes up space, which
ruins the alignment with notes in other staffs where there's no tie.
I just realized that one possibility to solve this is to make the
invisible note a grace note. In that way, it won't destroy the rhythm.
Example:
\version 2.6.0
\score{
\new Voice \relative c' {
\repeat volta 2 {c d2 e4 | f g a2 ~ }
\alternative{{a4 g2 f4 | e2 d }{ \grace{\hideNotes a'4~}
\unHideNotes a g e d\ | c1 }} }
}
Unfortunately this seems to give the same problem as when the music
starts with a grace note (causing the time sign to be duplicated).
Only now it's the second volta-spanner which is duplicated. So... two
hacks would be required.
I hope you know how to fix it, namely to insert a \grace{s4} in the
beginning of the second ending of all other voices. Example:
\score{
\relative c'
\new Staff {
\repeat volta 2 {c d2 e4 | f g a2 ~ }
\alternative{{a4 g2 f4 | e2 d }
{\grace{\hideNotes a'16~ }\unHideNotes a4 g e d | c1 }}
}
\new Staff {
\repeat volta 2 {c2 b4 c | d c f2 }
\alternative{{d4 e d2 | c b |}
{\grace s16 d2 g4 g, | c1}}
}
}
The other alternative that is often used is to fiddle with the durations, as
in the following example, but then you either get the note head slightly
misplaced compared to the other voices or you have to apply the same trick
to all voices, so I prefer the grace note solution.
\score{
\relative c'
\new Staff {
\repeat volta 2 {c4 d2 e4 | f g a2 ~ }
\alternative{{a4 g2 f4 | e2 d }
{\hideNotes a'32 ~ \unHideNotes a4*7/8 g4 e d | c1 }}
}
\new Staff {
\repeat volta 2 {c2 b4 c | d c f2 }
\alternative{{d4 e d2 | c b |}
{ d2 g4 g, | c1}}
}
}
/Mats
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Re: lilypond and Tablatures
Le mardi 20 septembre 2005 à 11:33 +0200, Mats Bengtsson a écrit :
I hope you know that you can click on every example in the
on-line documentation, to see the corresponding LilyPond code.
For example, the second example in Section 7.5.2 Tablatures basic
seems very similar to what you want to do, right?
I modified your example a bit and included only the music in your
variables/definitions and put all the context related code
directly into \score{...}. I find it easier to understand the
full structure of the piece to do it that way, but you may
have other preferences. Anyway, after my modifications, the
code looks like this:
Melodie = {
\set Staff.midiInstrument = acoustic guitar (nylon)
\time 2/4
\key g \major
d'16-3 fis'-2 e'-0 c''-4 d' fis' e' c'' |
}
Basse = {
%!Nonprimary Voice
\set Staff.midiInstrument = acoustic guitar (nylon)
\time 2/4
\key g \major
\clef G_8
d'4 d' |
}
\score {
\context Staff = MelodieStaff
\clef G_8
\context Voice = Melodie {\voiceOne \Melodie}
\context Voice = Basse {\voiceTwo \Basse}
\context TabStaff = MelodieTab \Melodie
\layout {
}
\midi {
\tempo 4 = 80
}
}
/Mats
Thank you Mats, that functions very well .
But i must say that lilypond documentation for the guitar is too short,
and transpose the example remains difficult.
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Changing font in Lilypond...
How do I get Lily to use a more sensible font for PDF output? Because I don't have New Centiury Schoolbok installed on my system, lyrics come out in Courier (and look awful). The documentation just says `the default font is set by Pango/font' which helps me not at all... -- Dr Peter Chubb http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au peterc AT gelato.unsw.edu.au The technical we do immediately, the political takes *forever* ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
dotted notes
Attached a 7-measure example in .ly format to show what I mean ;-)
In the case of multi-voice polyphony on a stave dotted notes get all
their dots precisely below each other on a single line. In most cases
this looks best, but sometimes it makes a dot 'float' and almost cause a
collision with the beam of the next note.
In the documentation I found something to solve it, but frankly, I don't
get how it should be solved
This is the link to the documentation I try to understand:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.6/Documentation/user/out-www/lilypond-internals/DotColumn.html#DotColumn
I am using 2.6.3 at this moment on windows, but also on linux. Haven't
tried if the output is the same on linux, but I expect nothing else.
The case of the floating dot is seen in measures 1 and 4
There's also a smaller problem with the 8th rest in measure 2 and 6,
those should go down as they will be hardly readable on their current
spot. I want those rests on the same heigth as the notehead for the 'c'
(between the 3rd and 4th line)
Anyone with suggestions how I can solve it?
Thanks,
Michiel
\version 2.6
\header
{
title=example
}
music = \new Voice \relative c'' {
\key as \major
\time 4/4
{ ges' aes2. \sf aes4 (
aes2 bes4. des8
es2. ) f, aes4 }
\\ { bes,4. ( es8 aes,4 ) c4
des4. r8 aes' des,4. r8
es aes2. aes,4 }
{ ges' aes2. \sf f aes4 } \\ { bes,4. ( es8 aes,4 ) aes4 }
{ ges' aes2. \sf aes4 (
aes2 bes4. f'8
es2. ) }
\\ { bes,8 ( c8 des8 es8 aes,4 ) c4
des4. r8 g4. r8
es aes2. }
r4
}
\score
{
\music
\layout {}
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half-dot
Just posting this as general interest. Next week we (Iceland Symphony) will be playing Kalevi Aho's flute concerto. I noticed an odd notation. In a 5/4 measure there was a whole note immediately followed by a small x (looks more like a multiplication symbol) and no other notes in the measure. I wondered what it was. I thought perhaps it was a 'half-dot'. Then I saw a 5/8 measure with a half-note immediately followed by the same little x. Obviously it's a 'half-dot.' I've never seen nor heard of such a thing. I think this music was prepared with either Sibelius or Finale but I'm not sure which (one clue; when slurs/ties pass through time signatures they 'white out' as they cross them). I used to use Finale but I never encountered this sign before. Just thought I'd toss this out there. If it is, or is becoming, a standard notation perhaps LilyPond ought to be able to do it, too. -David ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
transparent rests
I'd like to make all the rests on the tab portion of my score transparent. \override Rest #'transparent = ##t works fine for the rests maked with a lower-case r, but upper-case R rest are still displayed. What do I need to put in place of Rest to make those transparent as well. lilypond 2.6.0 on cywin Thanks, Kevin Nowaczyk __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: transparent rests
Kevin - Try \override MultiMeasureRest #'transparent = ##t - Bruce -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Nowaczyk Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 10:50 AM To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: transparent rests I'd like to make all the rests on the tab portion of my score transparent. \override Rest #'transparent = ##t works fine for the rests maked with a lower-case r, but upper-case R rest are still displayed. What do I need to put in place of Rest to make those transparent as well. lilypond 2.6.0 on cywin Thanks, Kevin Nowaczyk __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: half-dot
-- Original Message -- Subject: half-dot From: David Bobroff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:09:12 + Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just posting this as general interest. Next week we (Iceland Symphony) will be playing Kalevi Aho's flute concerto. I noticed an odd notation. In a 5/4 measure there was a whole note immediately followed by a small x (looks more like a multiplication symbol) and no other notes in the measure. I wondered what it was. I thought perhaps it was a 'half-dot'. Then I saw a 5/8 measure with a half-note immediately followed by the same little x. Obviously it's a 'half-dot.' I've never seen nor heard of such a thing. Hi, just few weeks ago, I saw this notation in the music of Veli-Matti Puumala, another finnish composer (like Aho). I don't think it's so popular to become a standard, and also the piece in which I saw the symbol is handwritten.. Personally I never used this notation and I've asked to some composers and nobody use it. I think this music was prepared with either Sibelius or Finale but I'm not sure which (one clue; when slurs/ties pass through time signatures they 'white out' as they cross them). So, in my experience, is not Sibelius for sure. I don't remember Finale so well but I don't think it has this feature. I used to use Finale but I never encountered this sign before. Just thought I'd toss this out there. If it is, or is becoming, a standard notation perhaps LilyPond ought to be able to do it, too. -David ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user Libero Mureddu = Libero Mureddu Vanha Viertotie, 21 as. 429 00350 Helsinki Finlandia Tel. 041-7718406 [EMAIL PROTECTED] = ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Vertical spacing tweaks.
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Re: version 2.6.x for debian (unstable or sarge)?
Hello list, hello Yosiah, You wrote: So, if I understand correctly, at the moment the only way to get 2.6 or 2.7 for my debian systems would be installing from source, am I right? No. That is not what I said. Yes, You are right, I reread Your E-Mail. Autopackage seems to be quite easy, I think. But during the install process I got the message, that I have to have a newer version of guile. And now there is a problem with installing guile 1.6.7. But this is not for this list. Meanwhile I did ask on my linux user group, and got some hints, but they were not yet successfull. I will post again after solving. Many thanks and Best Regards Roland ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: version 2.6.x for debian (unstable or sarge)?
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ignoring ties for lyrics
The manual describes the \set ignoreMelismata = ##t property. Is there a similar way to temporarily ignore a tie for positioning lyrics? Kevin Nowaczyk __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: Wrong type argument in position 1 error and other questions
So if it compiles in 2.4.6 but not in 2.6.0 is this a bug that I should report to the bugs list? --- Fairchild [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin - I looked at it. Your truncated file compiles without error in version 2.4.6. The output looks strange, attached. - Bruce __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Changing font in Lilypond...
On 20-Sep-05, at 10:11 PM, Peter Chubb wrote: How do I get Lily to use a more sensible font for PDF output? Because I don't have New Centiury Schoolbok installed on my system, lyrics come out in Courier (and look awful). The documentation just says `the default font is set by Pango/font' which helps me not at all... Please read the docs for 2.7; the example of changing fonts should work in 2.6 as well. - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Drum Staff timbales-style
On 21-Sep-05, at 2:43 AM, Mehmet Okonsar wrote:
Despite my efforts I wasn't been able to make this:
---
\new DrumStaff{
\set DrumStaff.drumStyleTable = #timbales-style {
\drummode { timh8 timh ssh timl ssh16 ssl cb4 }}
}
--
It gives a 5 lines staff when I want 2..
This information can be found in the manual page Percussion staves.
\new DrumStaff {
\override DrumStaff.StaffSymbol #'line-count = #2
\set DrumStaff.drumStyleTable = #timbales-style {
\drummode { timh8 timh ssh timl ssh16 ssl cb4 }}
}
The manual on the subject presuppose a much more knowledgeable reader
than I
Please see
http://lilypond.org/web/devel/participating/documentation-adding
Cheers,
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Re: lilypond and Tablatures
On 20-Sep-05, at 2:32 PM, laurent ducos wrote: But i must say that lilypond documentation for the guitar is too short, and transpose the example remains difficult. Please see http://lilypond.org/web/devel/participating/documentation-adding In particular, I've never played guitar, nor looked at any guitar music. If you think you can help, please write more documentation for guitars; I'll be happy to add them to the manual. Cheers, - Graham, LilyPond Documentation Editor. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Wrong type argument in position 1 error and other questions
On 20-Sep-05, at 10:07 AM, Kevin Nowaczyk wrote: I've cut out a lot of the extra stuff from my file. I'm guessing nobody looked at it. Again I'm using version 2.6.0 in cygwin. I just tried it in 2.7.8 and didn't have any error messages. Could you try an updated version of lilypond? Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Vertical spacing tweaks.
Nicolas Sceaux wrote: Han-Wen Nienhuys [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I could implement the following: add a property line-break-system-details PRICE: 130 euro In addition, I could also make an alignment-stretch-factor This would make it possible to set the distance between staves in individual staves easily. ^^ you mean systems? No, staves. I could make the vertical alignment routines adjust their vertical stretch by inspecting the alignment-stretch-factor of their left bound. This would make it possible to make systems take up more vertical space on otherwise empty pages. Count me for 130 EUR. (I hope my wife won't read this). Thanks! :-) -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: half-dot
David Bobroff wrote: I think this music was prepared with either Sibelius or Finale but I'm not sure which (one clue; when slurs/ties pass through time signatures they 'white out' as they cross them). I used to use Finale but I never encountered this sign before. Just thought I'd toss this out there. If it is, or is becoming, a standard notation perhaps LilyPond ought to be able to do it, too. I once saw something similar in a score of a Dutch composer. He used dots in 5/8 to be + 1/4, in stead of + 1/2. It confused the hell out of me. -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: alignment of text in TextSpanner
On 20-Sep-05, at 11:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
\relative c'' {
\override TextSpanner #'edge-text = #'(s.p. . ord.)
\override TextSpanner #'bound-padding = #1.0
\override TextSpanner #'dash-fraction = #'()
\override TextSpanner #'arrow = ##t
a8\startTextSpan gis8 a4 b4
b,4 | g' c\stopTextSpan c
}
The problem is that the second word ord. is aligned on the basis of
the
letter d, I suppose, and because of this is misaligned compared to
the
arrow and the first word.
What version of lilypond are you using? I just tried this in 2.7.8 and
it looks
ok to me... what exactly is the problem with the alignment?
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Re: Harp Pedals - programming error message
On 20-Sep-05, at 1:37 AM, Mehmet Okonsar wrote:
When I insert such a long markup:
--
_\markup { \large \bold {C} \natural \bold {D} \flat \bold {E} \sharp
\bold
{F} \flat \bold {G} \natural \bold {A} \flat \bold {B} \sharp}
--
I got the following message (but the score compiles fine)
-
programming error: script direction not yet known
Please send a complete example. My guess it that you are trying to
define
foo=_\markup{}
when you should do
foo=\markup{}
...
c4_\foo
but without seeing the source file, I can't really tell.
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Re: Ties in second endings
On 21-Sep-05, at 4:25 AM, Fairchild wrote: Thanks. Your two alternatives should make the docs, maybe Tips and Tricks. Well, you know how to do that. You can add it to the LSR or the lilypond wiki, or write some text and copy the example and send it to me for inclusion in the manual. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: Ties in second endings
Title: Message
Graham -
Here's a trim-down of the thread, for sticking in the manual,
in the section on ties, or repeats, or both. Edit to suit.
There ought to be a better way that makes the tie more
pronounced, but a simple way eludes me.
- Bruce
Ties are not normally continued into second endings, but a
standard trick is to add a tie from an invisible note. One way is to make
the invisible note a grace note. In that way, it doesn't destroy the
rhythm.
\version "2.4.6"\layout{ raggedright = ##t
}\score{\relative c' {\repeat volta 2 { f g a2 ~ }\alternative
{{ a4 g2 f4 }{ \grace{ \hideNotes a4~ } \unHideNotes a g2.
=
-Original Message-From: Graham Percival [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, September
21, 2005 6:00 PMTo: FairchildCc: lilypond-user Mailinglist; 'Peter
Mogensen'Subject: Re: Ties in second endingsOn 21-Sep-05, at
4:25 AM, Fairchild wrote: Thanks. Your two alternatives should
make the docs, maybe Tips and Tricks.Well, you know how to do
that. You can add it to the LSR or thelilypond wiki,or write some
text and copy the example and send it to me for inclusioninthe
manual.Cheers,- Graham
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