Default Tie positions too close
Hello,
For some large chords, the tie positions end up nearly on
top of one another. The commented-out override in the snippet below helps
somewhat, but it would be nice if these could be handled more elegantly
by default.
-Jonathan
Snippet:
\version 2.13.3
\relative c' {
\clef bass
\time 3/4
c c c \break |
\new Voice { \voiceOne b2.~ b~ b }
\new Voice {
\voiceTwo e,,~ f~ g~ e'~ f~2. e~ f~ g~ e'~ f~ e f g e' f }
}
\layout {
\context { \Score
% \override Tie #'details #'intra-space-threshold = #100
}
}
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Re: using lilypond for leadsheets
Hello Peter,
a short answer about transposition in schort:
Need to transpose to 'C', 'Bb', 'Eb' and have treble and bass keys.
What I do, if I have a trumpet voice is:
- snippet ---
\new Staff {
\transposition bes % display in Bb for trumpet
\transpose c d { % transpose one key up
\relative c'' {
\key d \minor % the key of the score
bes a c b
}
}
}
- snippet ---
this produces a score in e minor and a midi-file in d minor.
Don't know what you actually need, but as a starting hint:
- snippet ---
\score {
\new ChordNames { \chordmode { c1 g:7 c } }
\new Staff { \new Voice = mel \relative c'' { c1 d e } }
\new Lyrics \lyricsto mel { \lyricmode { dub -- bi du } }
\layout { }
\midi { }
}
- snippet ---
These are some essential elements. You should look in the documentation:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/index#index
;)
Regards,
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Re: LilyPond group on Identi.ca
Francisco Vila wrote: 2009/10/1 Federico Bruni brunol...@gmx.com: *REQUEST* Where can I find the source file (.svg or whatever) for the LilyPond logo? I could create a 96x96px image for the avatar of the group on Identi.ca (the favicon on the website is a bit too small..) Here http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=lilypond.git;a=tree;f=texinfo/pictures;h=ee0585f5422889bc18aad6916fc52fabb9241bbc;hb=web-gop thanks Francisco, I'll suggest the owner of the group to use this 40x40px image: http://git.savannah.gnu.org/gitweb/?p=lilypond.git;a=blob_plain;f=texinfo/pictures/lily-home.png;hb=web-gop it's not 96x96 but it's the perfect image for an avatar -- http://www.gnurag.net/blog/ ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: problems with layout variables in 2.13.4
James E. Bailey wrote:
On 01.10.2009, at 16:50, Federico Bruni wrote:
I wonder also if it's possible to put some text on the right side of a
short and not ragged staff.
I'd like to add a description to each effect (see attached .pdf).
I don't know if it will work with what you're doing, but you may want to
try having the music in a markup block. Then, adding text on the right
is very easy.
James E. Bailey
Thanks to Francisco's link I managed to put the music in a markup block.
Now I have problems with aligning text on the right. I've made several
tries, but nothing is working as expected.
Any suggestion? (see example attached)
Thanks,
Federico
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\version 2.13.4
%\include hp.ly
#(set-global-staff-size 22.45)
\header {
title = Legenda
}
\paper {
indent = 0
line-width = 160\mm
%after-title-spacing = #'((space . 5))
%before-title-spacing = #'((space . 13))
%top-title-spacing = #'((space . 5))
%between-title-spacing = #'((space . 15))
}
\markup { \bold \huge Hammer-On }
hammeron= \markup {
\score {
\new StaffGroup
\new Staff \with { \remove Time_signature_engraver } { \clef G_8 s2 c'4 ( d' ) }
\new TabStaff { \clef moderntab s2 c'4 ( d' ) }
\layout {
}
}
}
\markup {
%\fill-line {
\hspace #1
%\column {
\hammeron
%}
\hspace #2
%\column {
{ \general-align #Y #CENTER %% not working..
A hammer-on is executed by hammering one of the fingers of the left hand .. bla bla bla bla bla
%% also, how can I automatically break the text lines?
}
%}
%}
}
\markup { \bold \huge Pull-Off }
pulloff = \markup {
\score {
\new StaffGroup
\new Staff { \clef G_8 s2 d'4 ( c' ) }
\new TabStaff { \clef moderntab s2 d'4 ( c' ) }
\layout { }
}
}
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Re: LilyPond group on Identi.ca
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Re: more midi2ly
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Re: MY error, but wish the log was clearer.
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Mats Bengtsson mats.bengts...@ee.kth.se wrote: However, your feature request is certainly relevant, so I forward it to the bug mailing list. Don't we already have a no music in this file error message? `aliteralmind': could you please post a minimal example of a .ly file that requires a \score block, but doesn't print any error message when there's none? Cheers, V. Villenave. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: MY error, but wish the log was clearer.
Valentin Villenave wrote:
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Mats Bengtsson
mats.bengts...@ee.kth.se wrote:
However, your feature request is certainly relevant, so I forward it to the
bug mailing list.
Don't we already have a no music in this file error message?
`aliteralmind': could you please post a minimal example of a .ly file
that requires a \score block, but doesn't print any error message when
there's none?
How about
\version 2.13.4
mymusic = \relative c' {c d e f }
/Mats
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Re: problems with layout variables in 2.13.4
Federico Bruni wrote:
Thanks to Francisco's link I managed to put the music in a markup block.
Now I have problems with aligning text on the right. I've made several
tries, but nothing is working as expected.
Any suggestion? (see example attached)
I've resolved the aligning problems (both vertically and horizontally).
But now I can't put the proper distance between the items of the legenda.
In fact, when I used just \score I could use after-title-spacing and
before-title-spacing to put some space between the items of the list.
Now the \score(s) are inside a \markup block, so that does not work
anymore.
How can I break a line in the \markup block?
I've tried an empty fill-line block, but does not work.
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\version 2.13.4
%\include hp.ly
#(set-global-staff-size 22.45)
\header {
title = Legenda
}
\paper {
indent = 0
line-width = 170\mm
top-title-spacing = #'((space . 5))
%after-title-spacing = #'((space . 10))
%before-title-spacing = #'((space . 5))
between-title-spacing = #'((space . 2))
}
%%% Hammer-On
\markup { \bold \huge Hammer-On }
hammeron= \markup {
\score {
\new StaffGroup
\new Staff \with { \remove Time_signature_engraver } { \clef G_8 s4 c'4 ( d' ) s4 }
\new TabStaff { \clef moderntab s4 c'4 ( d' ) s4 }
\layout { }
}
}
\markup {
\fill-line {
\line {
\hammeron
}
\line \override #'(line-width . 65) \general-align #Y #3 {
\wordwrap {
A hammer-on is executed by hammering one of the fingers
of the left hand bla bla bla bla bla
}
}
}
\fill-line { }
}
%%% Pull-Off
\markup { \bold \huge Pull-Off }
pulloff = \markup {
\score {
\new StaffGroup
\new Staff \with { \remove Time_signature_engraver }
{ \clef G_8 s4 d'4 ( c' ) s4 }
\new TabStaff { \clef moderntab s4 d'4 ( c' ) s4 }
\layout { }
}
}
\markup {
\fill-line {
\line {
\pulloff
}
\line \override #'(line-width . 65) \general-align #Y #3 {
\wordwrap {
The finger of the left hand which plays the first note
is pulled to one side ... ... ...
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Re: problems with layout variables in 2.13.4
Federico Bruni schrieb:
Federico Bruni wrote:
Thanks to Francisco's link I managed to put the music in a markup block.
Now I have problems with aligning text on the right. I've made
several tries, but nothing is working as expected.
Any suggestion? (see example attached)
I've resolved the aligning problems (both vertically and horizontally).
But now I can't put the proper distance between the items of the legenda.
In fact, when I used just \score I could use after-title-spacing and
before-title-spacing to put some space between the items of the list.
Now the \score(s) are inside a \markup block, so that does not work
anymore.
How can I break a line in the \markup block?
I've tried an empty fill-line block, but does not work.
As far as I know, when you do something like
\markup {
\fill-line { foo }
\fill-line { bar }
}
then the bar part is shifted over the right page margin, so you don't
see it - and has no effect
on the vertical spacing. Try searching in the lsr for vspace, then
you'll find a suitable definition
for a \vspace command that can be inserted where you want some vertical
space; the amount
will be set as an argument, e.g.
\vspace #5
HTH
Marc
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Re: problems with layout variables in 2.13.4
Perhaps the following is a starting point.
\markup {
\fill-line {
\hammeron
\override #'(line-width . 40) \justify
{A hammer-on is executed by hammering one of the fingers of the
left hand .. bla bla bla bla bla }
}
}
Have you read the documentation of the markup commands, available at
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Text-markup-commands#Text-markup-commands
?
/Mats
Federico Bruni wrote:
James E. Bailey wrote:
On 01.10.2009, at 16:50, Federico Bruni wrote:
I wonder also if it's possible to put some text on the right side of
a short and not ragged staff.
I'd like to add a description to each effect (see attached .pdf).
I don't know if it will work with what you're doing, but you may want
to try having the music in a markup block. Then, adding text on the
right is very easy.
James E. Bailey
Thanks to Francisco's link I managed to put the music in a markup block.
Now I have problems with aligning text on the right. I've made several
tries, but nothing is working as expected.
Any suggestion? (see example attached)
Thanks,
Federico
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Re: another route from MIDI to lilypond (from NtEd developer)
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009, Laura Conrad wrote: Yes, but then I have to do that for each of the 5 staves. ... So the workaround I've found is to change it to F major with the adjust notes box checked, and then uncheck the adjust notes box and change it back to C major. NtEd-1.8.6 now has a Change Accidentals funtionallity: http://vsr.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de/staff/jan/nted/doc/ch01s33.html which solves the problem without any workaround. After all, what we really want is for midi2ly to do the right thing ... I had a look into midi2ly. Althought I like Python and I know how much things can be done with only a few Python lines, from my experience with NtEd and a half year of work at the MIDI importer I say: A good MIDI -- Score conversion is impossible with about 1000 Python lines. It is more complicated. Please have a look at this YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_8oTeH3v7M The paper which the guy holds in his hand: This is MIDI!! Nothing more is written into a MIDI file. No clefs, no slurs, no ties, no voices, no accidentals, ... only holes, holes, holes! And now imagine you have to create a score from only this sheet of paper! How to distribute the holes onto voices? How to recognize triplets ? How to find chords ? And - last not least - how to enlarge notes: If a piano player plays a serious of eighth he/she releases the key often a bit earlier because he/she needs time to place the finger onto the next key. If you create notes from these holes you get an unplayable bunch of tied 16th+32th+64th notes + 64th rest. This must be corrected. And the programmers task is: Establish a set of rules which transform every arbitrary paper with such holes into a good score! To do this ... so that we don't have to run a GUI for this purpose. ... NtEd uses some intelligence derived from its interactive placing algorithms. -- J.Anders, GERMANY, TU Chemnitz, Fakultaet fuer Informatik ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond group on Identi.ca
Op vrijdag 02 oktober 2009, schreef Francisco Vila: I think its author is Wilbert Berendsen, then modified by Patrick McCarty or maybe Patrick Schmidt. Yes, I created it (drawn by hand with quasi-random star shapes in Inkscape) and there is a svgz of it at http://lilykde.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/frescobaldi/icons/hicolor/scalable/actions/ It looks best at small sizes. I did my best to keep the SVG very small. I created it to have a good Run LilyPond button in Frescobaldi (LilyPond text editor). It's OK to use. I also use it on www.LilyPondForum.nl . best regards, Wilbert Berendsen -- Frescobaldi, LilyPond editor for KDE: http://www.frescobaldi.org/ Nederlands LilyPond forum: http://www.lilypondforum.nl/ ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond group on Identi.ca
Wilbert Berendsen wrote: Op vrijdag 02 oktober 2009, schreef Francisco Vila: I think its author is Wilbert Berendsen, then modified by Patrick McCarty or maybe Patrick Schmidt. Yes, I created it (drawn by hand with quasi-random star shapes in Inkscape) and there is a svgz of it at http://lilykde.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/frescobaldi/icons/hicolor/scalable/actions/ Thanks Wilbert, I've uploaded right now on the website: http://identi.ca/group/lilypond The previous 46px image was ok for the thumbnail, but too small for the main page. Now it looks perfect :-) Regards, Federico -- http://www.gnurag.net/blog/ ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: another route from MIDI to lilypond (from NtEd developer)
On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 06:48:58PM +0200, Joerg Anders wrote: all, what we really want is for midi2ly to do the right thing ... I had a look into midi2ly. Althought I like Python and I know how much things can be done with only a few Python lines, from my experience with NtEd and a half year of work at the MIDI importer I say: A good MIDI -- Score conversion is impossible with about 1000 Python lines. It is more complicated. I'm well aware of that. My first aim is to make midi2ly maybe not perfect but at least useable with not extremely complicated MIDI files. The current version is too buggy to be useable with even the simplest MIDI file. The resulting lilypond file can then be edited and corrected by hand. Which brings me to a featurerequest to the guy(s) that develop Frescobaldi: It would be nice if Frescobaldi had menu items import MIDI file and import MusicXML. Maybe it can call midi2ly or musicxml2ly with the appropiate, configurable, commandline options to create a temporary file, and then load the result - ready for editing in the Frescobaldi editor ? Just a thought, maybe it can be done. -- Martin Tarenskeen ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: SVG improvements
2009/10/2 Patrick McCarty pnor...@gmail.com: Also, you can find some of my testcases here: http://uoregon.edu/~pmccarty/svg/ Hello Patrick, are these samples supposed to work with inkscape 0.46? Staff lines have an undefined colour and are invisible, I can only make them show by the no-color property. -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) www.paconet.org www.csmbadajoz.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: SVG improvements
2009/10/3 Francisco Vila paconet@gmail.com: 2009/10/2 Patrick McCarty pnor...@gmail.com: Also, you can find some of my testcases here: http://uoregon.edu/~pmccarty/svg/ Hello Patrick, are these samples supposed to work with inkscape 0.46? Staff lines have an undefined colour and are invisible, I can only make them show by the no-color property. Sorry! I have just seen this mentioned on the wiki page. -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) www.paconet.org www.csmbadajoz.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: adjusting first part of slur across system break
Thank you, Trevor and Mats. Overriding the positions property did the trick! David On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Trevor Daniels t.dani...@treda.co.ukwrote: David Nalesnik wrote Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:16 PM I've found information on how to alter the second half of slurs which span a line-break, but I can't find anything about adjusting the first half while keeping the cloned half at the default. I've constructed a simple example showing what happens when I break a certain slur. In the second version, I'd like the first half of the slur to begin above the stem (as it does in the unbroken example) while keeping the second half of the slur exactly as it is. Is there a way to do this by adjusting the workaround from the Difficult Tweaks section of the NR? I would appreciate any help you could give me with this! It's easier than you think! The first half of the broken slur is just the original slur. So the following override inserted just before the note on which the slur starts will lift the start of the first part a bit: \once\override Slur #'positions = #'( 4 . 0 ) (Note that the slur positions are not continuously variable - changing them seems to cause discontinuous jumps in position sometimes. I don't know why.) This is not too bad, but if you want something more precise you'll need to tweak the control points of the slur. Trevor ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Microtonal Helmholtz-Ellis notation in Lilypond: fine-tuning
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Ancient tablatures
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Re: regression? [was Re: BeatLength and BeatGrouping]
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Re: [Issue?] hiding Accidental(s) on tied note(s) after a line break
On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 13:53 -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
On Saturday 30 May 2009 10:23:31 pm Werner LEMBERG wrote:
shortest note playing here.)
(shortest-starter-duration ,ly:moment? The duration of the
shortest note that starts here.)
+ (hide-tied-accidental-after-break ,boolean? If set, an accidental
+that appears on a tied note after a line break will not be displayed)
(side-axis ,number? If the value is @code{#X} (or
addr...@hidden@code{0}), the object is placed horizontally next to
the other object. If the value is @code{#Y} addr...@hidden@code{1}, it
is
Joe, items in define-grob-properties.scm are sorted alphabetically.
Please move it to the right location.
Oops, I had originally named it show-tied-accidental-after-break.
Thanks,
Joe
Hi Joe,
I have a quick question about this property you've added (which is
wonderful, btw):
1) Should tied accidentals after line breaks be suppressed by default?
I don't know; that was the previous default value, so I left it the
same. I don't mind particularly if someone wants to change it.
I've looked through some scores, and even thought there's more examples
than I thought there would be that show tied accidentals after breaks
(mainly orchestral scores, and mainly 20th century pieces from the 70s)
it seems in the vast majority of cases they aren't shown.
On a related note, I like your original property name above, but I guess it
would cause problems to change it now.
Again, I won't object if someone else wants to change it (as long as
there's a convert-ly rule).
Joe
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Re: [Issue?] hiding Accidental(s) on tied note(s) after a line break
Hi,
According to Gardner Read: It is not necessary to repeat the accidental
before a tied note . . . The one exception to this general rule occurs when
the note or notes affected by the accidental and tied over the barline come
at the end of a system or at the bottom of the page. It is helpful to the
performer if the accidental is repeated . . . (Music Notation, p.131)
I know I have spent a lot of time adding these accidentals in Finale (and
redoing them whenever the layout changed), and I very much appreciate that
2.12.2 takes care of them automatically!
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Joe Neeman joenee...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 13:53 -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
On Saturday 30 May 2009 10:23:31 pm Werner LEMBERG wrote:
shortest note playing here.)
(shortest-starter-duration ,ly:moment? The duration of the
shortest note that starts here.)
+ (hide-tied-accidental-after-break ,boolean? If set, an
accidental
+that appears on a tied note after a line break will not be
displayed)
(side-axis ,number? If the value is @code{#X} (or
addr...@hidden@code{0}), the object is placed horizontally next to
the other object. If the value is @code{#Y} addr...@hidden@code{1},
it is
Joe, items in define-grob-properties.scm are sorted alphabetically.
Please move it to the right location.
Oops, I had originally named it show-tied-accidental-after-break.
Thanks,
Joe
Hi Joe,
I have a quick question about this property you've added (which is
wonderful, btw):
1) Should tied accidentals after line breaks be suppressed by default?
I don't know; that was the previous default value, so I left it the
same. I don't mind particularly if someone wants to change it.
I've looked through some scores, and even thought there's more examples
than I thought there would be that show tied accidentals after breaks
(mainly orchestral scores, and mainly 20th century pieces from the 70s)
it seems in the vast majority of cases they aren't shown.
On a related note, I like your original property name above, but I guess
it
would cause problems to change it now.
Again, I won't object if someone else wants to change it (as long as
there's a convert-ly rule).
Joe
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Re: Basic Music Question
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Re: [Issue?] hiding Accidental(s) on tied note(s) after a line break
--- On Sat, 10/3/09, David Nalesnik dnale...@umail.iu.edu wrote:
From: David Nalesnik dnale...@umail.iu.edu
Subject: Re: [Issue?] hiding Accidental(s) on tied note(s) after a line break
To: Joe Neeman joenee...@gmail.com
Cc: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com, lilypond-user
lilypond-user@gnu.org
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 5:46 AM
Hi,
According to Gardner Read: It is not
necessary to repeat the accidental before a tied note . . .
The one exception to this general rule occurs when the note
or notes affected by the accidental and tied over the
barline come at the end of a system or at the bottom of the
page. It is helpful to the performer if the accidental is
repeated . . . (Music Notation, p.131)
I know I have spent a lot of time adding these
accidentals in Finale (and redoing them whenever the layout
changed), and I very much appreciate that 2.12.2 takes care
of them automatically!
Hi David,
Thanks for that quote; I don't currently have access to Read's manual.
Well, I still have my Beethoven sonatas out from my last posting on here,
and those tied accidentals after line breaks are a lot more common than
I thought. In the Schenker edition, they're inconsistent: sometimes an
accidental is parenthesized, sometimes its suppressed, but more often
than not they're there. In Henle they seem to always be printed (and
beautiful).
However, I've got a Peters edition score where they're always suppressed (it's
also a modern score, and I wonder if that's where the difference
stems from).
Here's an idea: how about just showing the behavior of
'hide-tied-accidental-after-break in NR 1.1.1, under the heading
Accidentals, in the example that follows this sentence:
Accidentals on tied notes are only printed at the beginning of a new system.
[add this] These accidentals may also be suppressed.
[see attached]
Currently, 'hide-tied-accidental-after-break is only listed in NR A.14. In
fact, I remember seeing it there when I was entering a score, and
spending 10 very confused minutes trying to figure out why the heck
\override Tie #'hide-tied-accidental-after-break = ##t wouldn't work!
(Yes, I know it's a property of Accidental now).
-Jonathan
%
% Start cut--pastable-section
%
\paper {
indent = 0\mm
line-width = 160\mm - 2.0 * 0.4\in
ragged-right = ##t
force-assignment = #
line-width = #(- line-width (* mm 3.00))
}
\layout {
}
\relative c''
{
%
% ly snippet contents follows:
%
\sourcefileline 379
cis1 ~ cis ~
\break
cis
\override Accidental #'hide-tied-accidental-after-break = ##t
cis ~
\break
cis
%
% end ly snippet
%
}
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