[large/complex projects] where should transpositions go?
Hi all,
So… At the bottom of this email, I’ve included a somewhat-M W E of something
I’m wrestling with around all this stuff. You’ll see I have a ScoreMarks.ily
file (one of many \includes, but needed here because the structure of the vc
and pc are slightly different!), a notes.ily file (with all the note-code), and
output files.
There are *so* many variables on the input side in this industry (musical
theatre): show version (cuts, etc.), voicing (different characters can be
played by people singing in different clefs), chorus voicing (SATB? just SA?),
etc. I’m trying to come up with a structure/workflow/plan that gives me maximum
control and flexibility with minimum complexity (all terms relative,
obviously!).
Questions:
1. Should I have one output file per score, or use \book? I assume if it’s
multiple files, and I want to keep them synchronized, I would want to use make
(or similar) to trigger a compilation of all of them at once?
2. Am I <<>>-ing the \global at the best spot(s)?
3. Compare the voicing of m3 in the SATB and SA voicings: mm1-2 are different,
but m3 is the same. How can I do this kind of thing with the least amount of
code duplication? I don’t believe quoted music can be transposed directly
(i.e., you need to create a second, pre-transposed, quotation); I can’t see how
to inject a transposition (e.g., using the Edition-Engraver) into a specific
part of a score/variable; I really don’t want to have to break every variable
into multiple subvariables to handle every difference between voicings (nor do
I want to have complete duplicates, one per voicing!); etc.
Given Lilypond’s current powers and limitations, what’s my best path forward?
At this point, even a high-level discussion would be really appreciated: As you
can probably imagine, the number of permutations and combinations are ganging
up on me, and I can’t grapple with them all myself.
Thanks,
Kieren.
\version "2.25.10"
\language "english"
\paper { tagline = ##f ragged-bottom = ##t indent = 0 }
%%% ScoreMarks.ily
\layout {
\context {
\type "Engraver_group"
\name ScoreMarks
keepAliveInterfaces = #'( metronome-mark-interface )
rehearsalMarkFormatter = #format-mark-box-alphabet
\consists "Axis_group_engraver"
\override VerticalAxisGroup.staff-affinity = #DOWN
\override VerticalAxisGroup.nonstaff-relatedstaff-spacing =
#'((basic-distance . 3) (minimum-distance . 3) (padding . 1.5))
\consists "Metronome_mark_engraver"
\override MetronomeMark.Y-offset = #0
\override MetronomeMark.outside-staff-priority = #50
\override MetronomeMark.break-align-symbols =
#'(left-edge staff-bar clef time-signature key-signature)
\override MetronomeMark.non-break-align-symbols =
#'(paper-column-interface)
\consists "Mark_engraver"
\override RehearsalMark.Y-offset = #0
\override RehearsalMark.outside-staff-priority = #100
\override RehearsalMark.break-align-symbols =
#'(left-edge staff-bar clef time-signature key-signature)
\override RehearsalMark.self-alignment-X = #CENTER
\override RehearsalMark.extra-spacing-width = #'(-0.5 . 0.5)
\consists "Text_spanner_engraver"
\override TextSpanner.font-size = #2
\consists "Time_signature_engraver"
\override TimeSignature.stencil = #point-stencil
}
\context {
\Staff
\consists "Staff_collecting_engraver"
}
\context {
\Score
\remove "Metronome_mark_engraver"
\remove "Mark_engraver"
\accepts ScoreMarks
}
}
%%% notes.ily
global = {
\tempo "Fast"
\key c \major
s1
\tag #'full { s1 }
\bar "||"
\key d \major
s1
\bar "|."
}
Michael_notes = {
\tag #'Michael-treble { \clef treble }
\tag #'Michael-tenor { \clef "treble_8" }
c'4 4 4 4
\tag #'full { g4 4 a4 4 }
d4 4 4 4
}
chorus_notes = {
\tag #'satb {
4 4 4 4
\tag #'full { 4 4 4 4 }
4 4 4 4
}
\tag #'sa {
4 4 4 4
\tag #'full { 4 4 4 4 }
4 4 4 4
}
}
theChords = \chordmode {
c1
\tag #'full { g2 a }
d1
}
acc_notes_upper = {
c''4 4 4 4
\tag #'full { g'4 4 a'4 4 }
d'4 4 4 4
}
acc_notes_lower = {
\clef bass
c4 4 4 4
\tag #'full { g,4 4 a,4 4 }
d,4 4 4 4
}
%%% full.ly (i.e., full version, Michael at pitch)
vox =
<<
\new Staff \new Voice << \global \Michael_notes >>
\new Staff \new Voice << \global \chorus_notes >>
%% there would potentially be a lot of other vocal/choral parts in this
blob
>>
vc =
<<
\new ScoreMarks \global
\new ChordNames \theChords
\vox
>>
pc =
<<
\new ScoreMarks \global
\vox
\new PianoStaff <<
\new Staff << \global \acc_notes_upper >>
\new ChordNames \theChords
\new Staff << \global \acc_notes_lower >>
>>
>>
\markup "Vocal/Choral Score, Full Version, Michael tenor-clef, SATB chorus"
\score {
\keepWithTag #'(Michael-tenor satb full) \vc
}
\markup "Piano/Conductor Score, Full Version,
Re: [large/complex projects] conditional header values and/or book name
Hi Sam,
Thanks for these thoughts!
> I'm not sure if this fits under your umbrella of having a single top level
> file, but what about this?
>
> song-FV.ly
> definedVariables = data
> \include song.ily
>
> song-SV.ly
> definedVariables = data
> \include song.ily
>
> song.ily
> \include [.ily files containing the notes, edition-engraver tweaks, etc.]
Different versions will share some tweaks and also have individual/unshared
tweaks, so I can’t quite tell yet whether this structure would be sufficient
(never mind optimal).
> \header {
> [header parameters shared by both versions]
> [differing header parameters defined in global variables]
> }
>
> \score {
> [contexts built from variables defined in \include-d files]
> }
>
>
> Optionally, you could use the output names and book blocks so that you can
> compile the whole work from a FullVersion.ly and ShortVersion.ly which are
> basically a series of includes of the applicable songs.
The full book (e.g. “Piano/Conductor Score” will definitely be a series of
includes of applicable songs. I’m trying to figure out how to structure all
this with the least amount of duplication (in note code, tweak code, and score
code).
Thanks,
Kieren.
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Measure Counter Engraver with groups bigger than a measure
Hello everyone, I have some music that has a four measure repeating section and then puts numbers at the first measure to indicate how many times the group has been done. I thought the measure counter engraver would work nicely, but it numbers every measure instead of every four measures. Is there a way to make it count in groups of 4? Or is a different tool better suited? Thanks, Ben
Re: "\override BarLine" for a PianoStaff
Yes it does! Thank you.
On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 11:23 PM Vaughan McAlley
wrote:
>
> Hi Ivan,
>
> \new PianoStaff \with { \remove "Span_bar_engraver" }
>
> should work!
>
>
Re: Numérotation des versets
Try the code here? https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2022-04/msg00036.html Best, Jean signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Numérotation des versets
Hi there,
On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 6:35 AM Silvain Dupertuis <
silvain-dupert...@bluewin.ch> wrote:
> *Sorry for my question in French on an English-speaking forum... here is
> an Englsh version*
>
> Hello,
> Is there a way to automatically repeat the verse numbers on each line
> when it is defined by \set stanza = "1."
> without repeating this instruction within the verse text
>
> with this structure in the score part, lyrics being defined in variables
> \new Lyrics \lyricsto "VoiceOne" { \set stanza = "1." \VerseOne }
> \new Lyrics \lyricsto "VoiceOne" { \set stanza = "2." \VerseTwo }
> ...
>
> For a 5-verse song, it's best to repeat these verse numbers
>
So as I understand it you want the stanza number at the beginning of each
system such as after line breaks, instead of just the first? If that's the
case maybe try using shortVocalName, like this:
\version "2.25.12"
\new Staff { c' \break c' }
\addlyrics {
\set stanza = "1."
\set shortVocalName = \markup \bold \small "1."
aah aah
}
\addlyrics {
\set stanza = "2."
\set shortVocalName = \markup \bold \small "2."
ooh ooh
}
which gives:
[image: image.png]
--
Michael
Re: Numérotation des versets
Silvain Dupertuis writes: > Thanks for the suggestion. > > This does provide a nice automatic numbering ... > but does not repeat the verse number on subsequent lines. > > But I did recycle your suggestion using a modified function with one paramater > > #(define nextcountstanza > (let ((counter 0)) > (lambda (x) > (set! counter (+ x counter)) > (string-append ( number->string counter)"." > > so that I can copy-paste these expressions instead of manually putting the > right number Will only work for a single voice in a single piece as it uses a global counter. -- David Kastrup
Re: Numérotation des versets
Thanks for the suggestion.
This does provide a nice automatic numbering ...
but does not repeat the verse number on subsequent lines.
But I did recycle your suggestion using a modified function with one paramater
#(define nextcountstanza
(let ((counter 0))
(lambda (x)
(set! counter (+ x counter))
(string-append ( number->string counter)"."
so that I can copy-paste these expressions instead of manually putting the
right number
\set stanza = #(nextcountstanza 1) - at the betinning of each verse
\set stanza = #(nextcountstanza 0) - within the verses
Le 27.01.24 à 12:19, Ya Gloops a écrit :
#(define nextcountstanza
(let ((counter 0))
(lambda ()
(set! counter (1+ counter))
(string-append ( number->string counter)"."
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "VoiceOne" { \set stanza = #(nextcountstanza)
\VerseOne }
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "VoiceOne" { \set stanza = #(nextcountstanza) \VerseTwo }
--
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Route de Lausanne 335
1293 Bellevue (Switzerland)
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Re: Numérotation des versets
Hi Silvain,
Am 27.01.24 um 11:12 schrieb Silvain Dupertuis:
/Sorry for my question in French on an English-speaking forum... here
is an Englsh version/
Hello,
Is there a way to automatically repeat the verse numbers on each line
when it is defined by \set stanza = "1."
without repeating this instruction within the verse text
with this structure in the score part, lyrics being defined in variables
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "VoiceOne" { \set stanza = "1." \VerseOne }
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "VoiceOne" { \set stanza = "2." \VerseTwo }
...
For a 5-verse song, it's best to repeat these verse numbers!
Not to my knowledge, but this is something that's quite high on my list
of LilyPond enhancements I'd like to try my hands at. Stay tuned.
(As far as I can see, it's not completely trivial to implement since we
have to wait until the line breaking is known, and then horizontal
spacing has to take the additional stanza numbers into account.)
Lukas
Re: Numérotation des versets
Hello !
Maybe...
#(define nextcountstanza
(let ((counter 0))
(lambda ()
(set! counter (1+ counter))
(string-append ( number->string counter)"."
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "VoiceOne" { \set stanza = #(nextcountstanza) \VerseOne
}
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "VoiceOne" { \set stanza = #(nextcountstanza) \VerseTwo }
Le samedi 27 janvier 2024 à 11:14:16 UTC+1, Silvain Dupertuis
a écrit :
Sorry for my question in French on an English-speaking forum... here is an
Englsh version
Hello,
Is there a way to automatically repeat the verse numbers on each line
when it is defined by \set stanza = "1."
without repeating this instruction within the verse text
with this structure in the score part, lyrics being defined in variables
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "VoiceOne" { \set stanza = "1." \VerseOne }
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "VoiceOne" { \set stanza = "2." \VerseTwo }
...
For a 5-verse song, it's best to repeat these verse numbers!
--
Silvain Dupertuis
Route de Lausanne 335
1293 Bellevue (Switzerland)
tél. +41-(0)22-774.20.67
portable +41-(0)79-604.87.52
web: silvain-dupertuis.org
Numérotation des versets
/Sorry for my question in French on an English-speaking forum... here is an
Englsh version/
Hello,
Is there a way to automatically repeat the verse numbers on each line
when it is defined by \set stanza = "1."
without repeating this instruction within the verse text
with this structure in the score part, lyrics being defined in variables
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "VoiceOne" { \set stanza = "1." \VerseOne }
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "VoiceOne" { \set stanza = "2." \VerseTwo }
...
For a 5-verse song, it's best to repeat these verse numbers!
--
Silvain Dupertuis
Route de Lausanne 335
1293 Bellevue (Switzerland)
tél. +41-(0)22-774.20.67
portable +41-(0)79-604.87.52
web: silvain-dupertuis.org
Re: Numérotation des versets
Hello, This is the English-speaking list. You probably meant to send this to the French forum, user-fr@lilypond.community .
Numérotation des versets
Bonjour,
Y a-t-il un moyen de répéter automatiquement les numéros de versets à chaque
ligne
définis par \set stanza = "1." ... sans répéter cette instruction à l’intérieur du texte
des versets
avec cette structure dans la partie score, les paroles étant définies dans des
variables
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "VoiceOne" { \set stanza = "1." \VerseOne }
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "VoiceOne" { \set stanza = "2." \VerseTwo }
...
Pour un chant à 5 versets, il est préférable de les répéter...
--
Silvain Dupertuis
Route de Lausanne 335
1293 Bellevue (Switzerland)
tél. +41-(0)22-774.20.67
portable +41-(0)79-604.87.52
web: silvain-dupertuis.org
Re: cadenza puzzle
The 'global' section in the project I'm setting is a quartet and I use 'global'
as a template of sorts for time signatures, etc. That way I only have to enter
that information once. The solution given does solve the problem of the
duplicate rests, but why are the full measure rests not collected into a
multimeasure rest?
- Original Message -
> From: "Charlie Ma"
> To: "bobroff"
> Cc: "Lillypond Users Mailing List"
> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2024 7:08:54 AM
> Subject: Re: cadenza puzzle
> not sure what you wanted to achieve with "global."
> But is this what you are looking for?
> See
> https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.24/Documentation/notation/displaying-rhythms#unmetered-music
>
>
> \version "2.24.2"
>
> \pointAndClickOff
>
> global = \relative {
> \time 4/4
> s1*8
> \bar "|."
> }
>
> cadenzaMeasure = {
> \cadenzaOff
> \partial 1024 s1024
> \cadenzaOn
> }
> cad = \relative c' {
> \cadenzaOn
> a8 b c f
> e gis es b
> g bes a es \cadenzaMeasure
> \cadenzaOff
> }
>
> tune = \relative c' {
> c4 d e f
> \cad \bar "|"
> \break
> R1*5
> }
>
> \score {
> \relative {
>\context Staff {
>\override MultiMeasureRest.expand-limit = #1
>\compressMMRests
><<
> \global
> \tune
>>>
>}
> }
> }
>
> [image: image.png]
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 12:36 PM bobr...@centrum.is
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I don't understand what's going on here. The output I get is in the
>> attached PNG file. I hope this is minimal enough. It essentially reflects
>> the structure of the file that is giving me trouble. Why is the five
>> measure rest "duplicating" like that? In the actual project I'm working
>> with, the cadenza passage goes across two systems and the multimeasure rest
>> is duplicated twice before the "real" one is supposed to be displayed.
>>
>> Thanks for any assistance,
>>
>> David
>>
>> *** BEGIN LILY-CODE ***
>>
>> \version "2.24.2"
>>
>> \pointAndClickOff
>>
>> global = \relative {
>> \time 4/4
>> s1*8
>> \bar "|."
>> }
>>
>> cad = \relative c' {
>> \cadenzaOn
>> a8 b c f
>> e gis es b
>> g bes a es
>> \cadenzaOff
>> }
>>
>> tune = \relative c' {
>> c4 d e f
>> \cad
>> \break
>> R1*5
>> }
>>
>> \score {
>> \relative {
>> \context Staff {
>> \override MultiMeasureRest.expand-limit = #1
>> \compressMMRests
>> <<
>> \global
>> \tune
>> >>
>> }
>> }
>> }
>>
> > *** END LILY-CODE ***
