Re: LilyPond and ConTeXt
Am 09.09.2013 06:40, schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm: Am 2013-09-08 um 21:18 schrieb David Rogers davidandrewrog...@gmail.com: Henning Hraban Ramm lilypon...@fiee.net writes: I’m the one behind the previous lilypond module for ConTeXt and the current LilyPond filter suggestion. For me, it works great (besides the usual layout problems with TeX). I guess the matter is, what are you planning to do? I’m typesetting songbooks. I'd like to be able to make a teaching book for piano students - short pieces with comments and explanations in between, with the ability to have section or chapter headings and other types of headings as well, and easy control over page-breaking (both within the music and between the pieces) would be nice. Shouldn't be more difficult than a songbook, I would think - perhaps even less, because there are fewer lines of lyrics. Yes, sounds not too ambitious with regard to LilyPond in ConTeXt. You can simply copy my setup, but you should name every single example then (to avoid recompiling if you re-arrange or insert one). In my setup, every song is a component in its own file (that also allows me to reuse songs for different compilations), and I use the component name as buffer name. If you have more than one example per file/component, you must at least attach a number. If that’s common in your book, it should be easy to use a TeX counter (I’m not good in TeX programming and would ask on the mailing list how to do that). If it makes sense for you, you could also typeset your examples as numbered illustrations, just adapt the line with \\externalfigure Urs’s suggestion also sounds good, if you want to choose the safe LaTeX way. Actually, I don't want to 'pull' anybody away from ConTeXt to LaTeX. Although, each additional user of my package increases pressure to complete it ;-) Best Urs Greetlings, Hraban --- fiëé visuëlle Henning Hraban Ramm http://www.fiee.net http://angerweit.tikon.ch/lieder/ https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond and ConTeXt
Am 2013-09-06 um 23:12 schrieb David Rogers davidandrewrog...@gmail.com: Hello There have been several methods in the history of LilyPond for integrating LilyPond scores with ConTeXt documents (ConTeXt is a newer more-flexible system somewhat analogous to LaTeX). Right now, which is the best choice for putting ConTeXt and LilyPond together? (Your answer might be Don't bother, just use LaTeX, if you have a good reason for saying that.) Hi David, I’m the one behind the previous lilypond module for ConTeXt and the current LilyPond filter suggestion. For me, it works great (besides the usual layout problems with TeX). I guess the matter is, what are you planning to do? I’m typesetting songbooks. Greetlings, Hraban --- fiëé visuëlle Henning Hraban Ramm http://www.fiee.net http://angerweit.tikon.ch/lieder/ https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond and ConTeXt
Am 2013-09-06 um 23:50 schrieb Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de: Am 06.09.2013 19:12, schrieb David Rogers: Hello There have been several methods in the history of LilyPond for integrating LilyPond scores with ConTeXt documents (ConTeXt is a newer more-flexible system somewhat analogous to LaTeX). Right now, which is the best choice for putting ConTeXt and LilyPond together? (Your answer might be Don't bother, just use LaTeX, if you have a good reason for saying that.) Hehe – just use LaTeX ;-) I would not. Let’s not start a flame war here. I stumbled across this problem some time ago and found http://wiki.contextgarden.net/LilyPond which might work or not, but since this project would have been the first try to get a grip with ConTeXt and I didn't manage to get even the stuff mentioned in this link up and running, Can you tell me, what your problems were? I’d like to enhance the documentation. I decided to use XeLaTeX and lilypond-book for the simple reason that I find it easier to find help on the web concerning LaTeX-specific problems ;-) Of course the LaTeX community is bigger. If LaTeX fits your needs, use it. ConTeXt needs a bit more own handicraft, but then you have all the adjustings screws at your fingertips. I prefer the accessibility of ConTeXt’s setup commands over writing/adapting LaTeX style files that never *completely* fit your needs. And I don’t want to know about conflicting packages... Greetlings, Hraban --- fiëé visuëlle Henning Hraban Ramm http://www.fiee.net http://angerweit.tikon.ch/lieder/ https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond and ConTeXt
Henning Hraban Ramm lilypon...@fiee.net writes: Am 2013-09-06 um 23:50 schrieb Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de: Am 06.09.2013 19:12, schrieb David Rogers: Hello There have been several methods in the history of LilyPond for integrating LilyPond scores with ConTeXt documents (ConTeXt is a newer more-flexible system somewhat analogous to LaTeX). Right now, which is the best choice for putting ConTeXt and LilyPond together? (Your answer might be Don't bother, just use LaTeX, if you have a good reason for saying that.) Hehe – just use LaTeX ;-) I would not. Let’s not start a flame war here. Context is not supported by Lilypond-book as far as I can tell. That might be a worthwhile project for a Context user. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond and ConTeXt
Am 2013-09-08 um 16:28 schrieb David Kastrup d...@gnu.org: Right now, which is the best choice for putting ConTeXt and LilyPond together? (Your answer might be Don't bother, just use LaTeX, if you have a good reason for saying that.) Hehe – just use LaTeX ;-) I would not. Let’s not start a flame war here. Context is not supported by Lilypond-book as far as I can tell. That might be a worthwhile project for a Context user. No, the approach is different. Lilypond-book is a preprocessor that works on a pre-LaTeX source, extracts the LilyPond snippets, compiles them and writes a LaTeX source with image inclusions back. (As far as I understand.) With ConTeXt we use the filter module to call external programs on snippets at runtime (keeping track of changes, to avoid unnecessary runs), i.e. in the LilyPond case we write everything between \startlilypond and \stoplilypond into a buffer file, run LilyPond on it (if the snippet’s MD5 sum is different than the previous version) and inject the image inclusion directly into ConTeXt’s processing stream. On the wiki page I show my version of the setup: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/LilyPond It’s really simple Lua code. (Ok, you have to get used to ConTeXt’s use of Lua.) The biggest part is the lookup on the number of systems - I decided to include single systems to let the page breaking to ConTeXt. Both approaches have their merits, I guess. Greetlings, Hraban --- fiëé visuëlle Henning Hraban Ramm http://www.fiee.net http://angerweit.tikon.ch/lieder/ https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond and ConTeXt
Am 08.09.2013 11:20, schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm: Am 2013-09-06 um 23:50 schrieb Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de: Am 06.09.2013 19:12, schrieb David Rogers: Hello There have been several methods in the history of LilyPond for integrating LilyPond scores with ConTeXt documents (ConTeXt is a newer more-flexible system somewhat analogous to LaTeX). Right now, which is the best choice for putting ConTeXt and LilyPond together? (Your answer might be Don't bother, just use LaTeX, if you have a good reason for saying that.) Hehe – just use LaTeX ;-) I would not. Let’s not start a flame war here. I did not intend to start a flame war, I was just quoting David's remark ;-) I stumbled across this problem some time ago and found http://wiki.contextgarden.net/LilyPond which might work or not, but since this project would have been the first try to get a grip with ConTeXt and I didn't manage to get even the stuff mentioned in this link up and running, Can you tell me, what your problems were? I’d like to enhance the documentation. Well, I don't remember exactly where my problems were – it is just that I work for 20 years with LaTeX, so I am quite familiar with it, whereas playing half an hour with ConTeXt did not show up any included scores, so I deinstalled it. Nevertheless, I'd like to give ConTeXt a try in the future ... I decided to use XeLaTeX and lilypond-book for the simple reason that I find it easier to find help on the web concerning LaTeX-specific problems ;-) Of course the LaTeX community is bigger. If LaTeX fits your needs, use it. It worked quite well for my project, but not out-of-the-box, as you may guess ;-) ConTeXt needs a bit more own handicraft, but then you have all the adjustings screws at your fingertips. I prefer the accessibility of ConTeXt’s setup commands over writing/adapting LaTeX style files that never *completely* fit your needs. And I don’t want to know about conflicting packages... ConTeXt seems to be monolithic and this makes it very interesting for me. My personal problem (or call it style of approach) is that I learned LaTeX by buying Helmut Kopkas books and worked right through them from cover to cover. I miss a book that does the same for ConTeXt. And yes, I know that there is *a lot* of information/manuals/stuff about ConTeXt available, but printing 400+ pages of the manual and placing it on my desktop is not the same as a good book that takes you by the hand and explains everything from simple to complicated. I may be outdated, but this is my preferred way of getting a grip on ConTeXt ;-) But I think this became quite off-topic now. Regards, Marc ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond and ConTeXt
Henning Hraban Ramm lilypon...@fiee.net writes: Am 2013-09-06 um 23:12 schrieb David Rogers davidandrewrog...@gmail.com: Hello There have been several methods in the history of LilyPond for integrating LilyPond scores with ConTeXt documents (ConTeXt is a newer more-flexible system somewhat analogous to LaTeX). Right now, which is the best choice for putting ConTeXt and LilyPond together? (Your answer might be Don't bother, just use LaTeX, if you have a good reason for saying that.) Hi David, I’m the one behind the previous lilypond module for ConTeXt and the current LilyPond filter suggestion. For me, it works great (besides the usual layout problems with TeX). I guess the matter is, what are you planning to do? I’m typesetting songbooks. I'd like to be able to make a teaching book for piano students - short pieces with comments and explanations in between, with the ability to have section or chapter headings and other types of headings as well, and easy control over page-breaking (both within the music and between the pieces) would be nice. Shouldn't be more difficult than a songbook, I would think - perhaps even less, because there are fewer lines of lyrics. -- Thanks David ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond and ConTeXt
Am 08.09.2013 17:18, schrieb David Rogers: Henning Hraban Ramm lilypon...@fiee.net writes: Am 2013-09-06 um 23:12 schrieb David Rogers davidandrewrog...@gmail.com: Hello There have been several methods in the history of LilyPond for integrating LilyPond scores with ConTeXt documents (ConTeXt is a newer more-flexible system somewhat analogous to LaTeX). Right now, which is the best choice for putting ConTeXt and LilyPond together? (Your answer might be Don't bother, just use LaTeX, if you have a good reason for saying that.) Hi David, I’m the one behind the previous lilypond module for ConTeXt and the current LilyPond filter suggestion. For me, it works great (besides the usual layout problems with TeX). I guess the matter is, what are you planning to do? I’m typesetting songbooks. I'd like to be able to make a teaching book for piano students - short pieces with comments and explanations in between, with the ability to have section or chapter headings and other types of headings as well, and easy control over page-breaking (both within the music and between the pieces) would be nice. Shouldn't be more difficult than a songbook, I would think - perhaps even less, because there are fewer lines of lyrics. You might check out musicexamples (http://www.openlilylib.org/musicexamples), a LaTeX package. Still slightly short of a first official release but maybe useful in that respect. One thing on the list of ideas is to make a (LuaLaTeX only) extension allowing to enter LilyPond code like in lilypond-book that is then processed directly from compiling the document (similar to what Henning describes for ConTeXt). Best Urs ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond and ConTeXt
Am 2013-09-08 um 21:18 schrieb David Rogers davidandrewrog...@gmail.com: Henning Hraban Ramm lilypon...@fiee.net writes: I’m the one behind the previous lilypond module for ConTeXt and the current LilyPond filter suggestion. For me, it works great (besides the usual layout problems with TeX). I guess the matter is, what are you planning to do? I’m typesetting songbooks. I'd like to be able to make a teaching book for piano students - short pieces with comments and explanations in between, with the ability to have section or chapter headings and other types of headings as well, and easy control over page-breaking (both within the music and between the pieces) would be nice. Shouldn't be more difficult than a songbook, I would think - perhaps even less, because there are fewer lines of lyrics. Yes, sounds not too ambitious with regard to LilyPond in ConTeXt. You can simply copy my setup, but you should name every single example then (to avoid recompiling if you re-arrange or insert one). In my setup, every song is a component in its own file (that also allows me to reuse songs for different compilations), and I use the component name as buffer name. If you have more than one example per file/component, you must at least attach a number. If that’s common in your book, it should be easy to use a TeX counter (I’m not good in TeX programming and would ask on the mailing list how to do that). If it makes sense for you, you could also typeset your examples as numbered illustrations, just adapt the line with \\externalfigure Urs’s suggestion also sounds good, if you want to choose the safe LaTeX way. Greetlings, Hraban --- fiëé visuëlle Henning Hraban Ramm http://www.fiee.net http://angerweit.tikon.ch/lieder/ https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
LilyPond and ConTeXt
Hello There have been several methods in the history of LilyPond for integrating LilyPond scores with ConTeXt documents (ConTeXt is a newer more-flexible system somewhat analogous to LaTeX). Right now, which is the best choice for putting ConTeXt and LilyPond together? (Your answer might be Don't bother, just use LaTeX, if you have a good reason for saying that.) -- David R ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond and ConTeXt
Am 06.09.2013 19:12, schrieb David Rogers: Hello There have been several methods in the history of LilyPond for integrating LilyPond scores with ConTeXt documents (ConTeXt is a newer more-flexible system somewhat analogous to LaTeX). Right now, which is the best choice for putting ConTeXt and LilyPond together? (Your answer might be Don't bother, just use LaTeX, if you have a good reason for saying that.) Hehe – just use LaTeX ;-) I stumbled across this problem some time ago and found http://wiki.contextgarden.net/LilyPond which might work or not, but since this project would have been the first try to get a grip with ConTeXt and I didn't manage to get even the stuff mentioned in this link up and running, I decided to use XeLaTeX and lilypond-book for the simple reason that I find it easier to find help on the web concerning LaTeX-specific problems ;-) You may find that the spacing between staff lines is not optimal when using lilypond-book, but a suitable definition for \betweenLilyPondSystem may help in this case. Marc ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: LilyPond and ConTeXt
2013/9/6 Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de: You may find that the spacing between staff lines is not optimal when using lilypond-book, but a suitable definition for \betweenLilyPondSystem may help in this case. In that case you may be interested in reading this http://lilypondblog.org/2013/07/creating-songbooks-with-lilypond-and-latex/ Urs, i remember that you were using something like this - this is it, or is there yet another tool available? best, Janek ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
