Re: IPL using LOADPARM bypasses SALIPL screen

2017-02-15 Thread Alan Altmark 
On Wednesday, 02/15/2017 at 09:47 GMT, William 
Norton/Poughkeepsie/IBM@IBMUS wrote:
> The leading zeros are ignored.  9, 09, 009, or 0009 would have worked
> equally well had his console been at 9 instead of 20.

The issue is that SAPL does not treat the LOADPARM is a requirement. You 
would expect a 1010 wait state if SAPL couldn't display the panel, but 
that's not what SAPL does.

Alan Altmark

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Re: IPL using LOADPARM bypasses SALIPL screen

2017-02-15 Thread William Norton 
The leading zeros are ignored.  9, 09, 009, or 0009 would have worked 
equally well had his console been at 9 instead of 20.
 
Bill



From:   Karl Kingston <karlkings...@ongov.net>
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Date:   02/15/2017 02:58 PM
Subject:        Re: IPL using LOADPARM bypasses SALIPL screen
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Looking back at the original post, I see he's using LOADPARM 009. Should
it be LOADPARM 0009 like in my example?




From:   Karl Kingston <karlkings...@ongov.net>
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Date:   02/15/2017 02:38 PM
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IPL cuu LOADPARM 0009 get me an SAPL screen (this is with z/VM 6.3)






From:   William Norton <wnor...@us.ibm.com>
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Date:   02/15/2017 02:25 PM
Subject:    Re: IPL using LOADPARM bypasses SALIPL screen
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What does QUERY VIRTUAL CONSOLE return ?  My guess is that your console
isn't really at 9 so SAPL doesn't appear, but is at an address specified
in your system configuration file so you get the prompts.

Bill Norton



From:   "Will, Chris" <cw...@bcbsm.com>
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Date:   02/15/2017 01:56 PM
Subject:IPL using LOADPARM bypasses SALIPL screen
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Installing/customizing a z/VM 6.4 system and have got to the point of
starting RACF.  So I need the SALIPL screen to change the device number.
However even when I use the LOADPARM parm it goes right to the
"warm,noauto, etc." prompt.  This is a second level system.  Here are the
commands I use.

SYS CLEAR
TERM CONMODE 3270
IPL 3C30 CLEAR LOADPARM 009

13:51:01
 13:51:01 HCPZCO6718I Using parm disk 1 on volume CV3C33 (device 3C33).
13:51:01 HCPZCO6718I Parm disk resides on cylinders 1 through 120.
13:51:01 Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CLEAN) (DRain) (DIsable)  (NODIRect)
13:51:01   (NOAUTOlog)) or (SHUTDOWN)

I don't get the stand alone loader program screen.

Chris Will
Systems Software
(313) 549-9729 Cell
cw...@bcbsm.com



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Re: IPL using LOADPARM bypasses SALIPL screen

2017-02-15 Thread Karl Kingston 
Looking back at the original post, I see he's using LOADPARM 009. Should
it be LOADPARM 0009 like in my example?




From:   Karl Kingston <karlkings...@ongov.net>
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Date:   02/15/2017 02:38 PM
Subject:        Re: IPL using LOADPARM bypasses SALIPL screen
Sent by:Linux on 390 Port <LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU>



IPL cuu LOADPARM 0009 get me an SAPL screen (this is with z/VM 6.3)






From:   William Norton <wnor...@us.ibm.com>
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Date:   02/15/2017 02:25 PM
Subject:    Re: IPL using LOADPARM bypasses SALIPL screen
Sent by:Linux on 390 Port <LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU>



What does QUERY VIRTUAL CONSOLE return ?  My guess is that your console
isn't really at 9 so SAPL doesn't appear, but is at an address specified
in your system configuration file so you get the prompts.

Bill Norton



From:   "Will, Chris" <cw...@bcbsm.com>
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Date:   02/15/2017 01:56 PM
Subject:IPL using LOADPARM bypasses SALIPL screen
Sent by:Linux on 390 Port <LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU>



Installing/customizing a z/VM 6.4 system and have got to the point of
starting RACF.  So I need the SALIPL screen to change the device number.
However even when I use the LOADPARM parm it goes right to the
"warm,noauto, etc." prompt.  This is a second level system.  Here are the
commands I use.

SYS CLEAR
TERM CONMODE 3270
IPL 3C30 CLEAR LOADPARM 009

13:51:01
 13:51:01 HCPZCO6718I Using parm disk 1 on volume CV3C33 (device 3C33).
13:51:01 HCPZCO6718I Parm disk resides on cylinders 1 through 120.
13:51:01 Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CLEAN) (DRain) (DIsable)  (NODIRect)
13:51:01   (NOAUTOlog)) or (SHUTDOWN)

I don't get the stand alone loader program screen.

Chris Will
Systems Software
(313) 549-9729 Cell
cw...@bcbsm.com



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Re: IPL using LOADPARM bypasses SALIPL screen

2017-02-15 Thread Will, Chris 
Thanks for the help.  It turned out the directory entry generated by the 2nd 
level install for an SSI had the console set to 0020 and I have always used 
0009 for the directory entries I create.

Chris Will
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-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of William 
Norton
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:25 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: IPL using LOADPARM bypasses SALIPL screen

What does QUERY VIRTUAL CONSOLE return ?  My guess is that your console isn't 
really at 9 so SAPL doesn't appear, but is at an address specified in your 
system configuration file so you get the prompts.

Bill Norton



From:   "Will, Chris" <cw...@bcbsm.com>
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Date:   02/15/2017 01:56 PM
Subject:IPL using LOADPARM bypasses SALIPL screen
Sent by:Linux on 390 Port <LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU>



Installing/customizing a z/VM 6.4 system and have got to the point of starting 
RACF.  So I need the SALIPL screen to change the device number. 
However even when I use the LOADPARM parm it goes right to the "warm,noauto, 
etc." prompt.  This is a second level system.  Here are the commands I use.

SYS CLEAR
TERM CONMODE 3270
IPL 3C30 CLEAR LOADPARM 009

13:51:01
 13:51:01 HCPZCO6718I Using parm disk 1 on volume CV3C33 (device 3C33).
13:51:01 HCPZCO6718I Parm disk resides on cylinders 1 through 120.
13:51:01 Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CLEAN) (DRain) (DIsable)  (NODIRect)
13:51:01   (NOAUTOlog)) or (SHUTDOWN)

I don't get the stand alone loader program screen.

Chris Will
Systems Software
(313) 549-9729 Cell
cw...@bcbsm.com



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Re: IPL using LOADPARM bypasses SALIPL screen

2017-02-15 Thread Karl Kingston 
IPL cuu LOADPARM 0009 get me an SAPL screen (this is with z/VM 6.3)






From:   William Norton <wnor...@us.ibm.com>
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Date:   02/15/2017 02:25 PM
Subject:        Re: IPL using LOADPARM bypasses SALIPL screen
Sent by:Linux on 390 Port <LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU>



What does QUERY VIRTUAL CONSOLE return ?  My guess is that your console
isn't really at 9 so SAPL doesn't appear, but is at an address specified
in your system configuration file so you get the prompts.

Bill Norton



From:   "Will, Chris" <cw...@bcbsm.com>
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Date:   02/15/2017 01:56 PM
Subject:IPL using LOADPARM bypasses SALIPL screen
Sent by:Linux on 390 Port <LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU>



Installing/customizing a z/VM 6.4 system and have got to the point of
starting RACF.  So I need the SALIPL screen to change the device number.
However even when I use the LOADPARM parm it goes right to the
"warm,noauto, etc." prompt.  This is a second level system.  Here are the
commands I use.

SYS CLEAR
TERM CONMODE 3270
IPL 3C30 CLEAR LOADPARM 009

13:51:01
 13:51:01 HCPZCO6718I Using parm disk 1 on volume CV3C33 (device 3C33).
13:51:01 HCPZCO6718I Parm disk resides on cylinders 1 through 120.
13:51:01 Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CLEAN) (DRain) (DIsable)  (NODIRect)
13:51:01   (NOAUTOlog)) or (SHUTDOWN)

I don't get the stand alone loader program screen.

Chris Will
Systems Software
(313) 549-9729 Cell
cw...@bcbsm.com



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Re: IPL using LOADPARM bypasses SALIPL screen

2017-02-15 Thread William Norton 
What does QUERY VIRTUAL CONSOLE return ?  My guess is that your console 
isn't really at 9 so SAPL doesn't appear, but is at an address specified 
in your system configuration file so you get the prompts.

Bill Norton



From:   "Will, Chris" 
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Date:   02/15/2017 01:56 PM
Subject:IPL using LOADPARM bypasses SALIPL screen
Sent by:Linux on 390 Port 



Installing/customizing a z/VM 6.4 system and have got to the point of 
starting RACF.  So I need the SALIPL screen to change the device number. 
However even when I use the LOADPARM parm it goes right to the 
"warm,noauto, etc." prompt.  This is a second level system.  Here are the 
commands I use.

SYS CLEAR
TERM CONMODE 3270
IPL 3C30 CLEAR LOADPARM 009

13:51:01
 13:51:01 HCPZCO6718I Using parm disk 1 on volume CV3C33 (device 3C33).
13:51:01 HCPZCO6718I Parm disk resides on cylinders 1 through 120.
13:51:01 Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CLEAN) (DRain) (DIsable)  (NODIRect)
13:51:01   (NOAUTOlog)) or (SHUTDOWN)

I don't get the stand alone loader program screen.

Chris Will
Systems Software
(313) 549-9729 Cell
cw...@bcbsm.com



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Re: IPL using LOADPARM bypasses SALIPL screen

2017-02-15 Thread Harley Linker 
I haven't started on 6.4 yet but found this page, 
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSB27U_6.4.0/com.ibm.zvm.v640.hcpa7/iplsec.htm.

 I don't know if it matters but the page shows a 'set machine esa' command just 
before the IPL command.


Harley

-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Will, 
Chris
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 12:55 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: IPL using LOADPARM bypasses SALIPL screen

Installing/customizing a z/VM 6.4 system and have got to the point of starting 
RACF.  So I need the SALIPL screen to change the device number.  However even 
when I use the LOADPARM parm it goes right to the "warm,noauto, etc." prompt.  
This is a second level system.  Here are the commands I use.

SYS CLEAR
TERM CONMODE 3270
IPL 3C30 CLEAR LOADPARM 009

13:51:01
 13:51:01 HCPZCO6718I Using parm disk 1 on volume CV3C33 (device 3C33).
13:51:01 HCPZCO6718I Parm disk resides on cylinders 1 through 120.
13:51:01 Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CLEAN) (DRain) (DIsable)  (NODIRect)
13:51:01   (NOAUTOlog)) or (SHUTDOWN)

I don't get the stand alone loader program screen.

Chris Will
Systems Software
(313) 549-9729 Cell
cw...@bcbsm.com



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